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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On March 31 2013 09:39 Ace wrote: ??? what? It doesn't matter what VE wants to do - he can't be contacted by 3rd party and go "lol no I dont want to" and turn it down. That would just make 3rd parties useless. I've already explained why it wasn't a WIFOM argument - the prior Vet claim which for some odd reason people keep ignoring. Once VE outs the 3rd party after already saying screw the Town in the thread who the fuck cares what motivation exist: he can be recruited. Lynch him. You're overthinking the situation. no, you're UNDERthinking it, because you decided to lead a lynch on someone who was blatantly town. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Ace
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On March 31 2013 19:20 Ace wrote: Wow, no shit really? If we all could look at the role list before playing it would be simple. Read what I said: find the posts in the game up to that point that prove he is blatantly Town. Stop being a lazy, results oriented "I told you so player" and evaluate the process. I even offered you $10,000 since you're so confident. But you know you can't and your just talking out of your ass. If a blatantly Town player is that close to getting lynched guess what? They aren't blatantly Town. He posted a QT conversation which clearly looks like he was accepting the invitation to be 3rd party. Only town would be so careless / not think about that. A 3p or mafia would have rigorously checked and removed anything incriminating like that. It's exceedingly simple. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
You can keep trying to get this money though. Go ahead. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 31 2013 19:29 Ace wrote: Once he gets contacted, he is recruited. Perhaps this is the crux of the matter. -- I can understand this thought process, but the in-game mechanic does not actually reflect this line of thought. Does this 8=====D contest really matter? All of us can be ObsQT heroes  Hopefully u guys can duke it out in the next game, when the in-game reads actually matter. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On March 31 2013 19:29 Ace wrote: Good god...it doesn't matter what VE does. Period. Once he gets contacted, he is recruited. This was covered ad naseum like 50 times already. You lynch him. You haven't even addressed the fact that he could do anything he wants at that point, revealing the logs don't matter for his alignment. You keep somehow ignoring the problem with his earlier Vet claim which when combined with the Mason logs and his apathy towards Town ended up getting him in trouble. I guess you also ignored the conversation in the game thread where he responded with some lie about him "outting" the Mirror to get a reaction which was summarily dismissed as fallacy. So the fact that he flipped Town didn't even match up with his actions or his post game explanation. You can keep trying to get this money though. Go ahead. So he got hit by mafia, reveals something only town reveals, and he's not town. Ok Ace, you're a fucking pro. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Veteran is one of the safest Mafia fakeclaims around. It is an almost unconfirmable role because it's passive. You can't ask the player to prove it. Hello safe claim! So now that we know that let's get to the thread. We have no idea how much KP is around. One player dies that night. VE shows up and says he took a hit and claims Veteran. And this is where you messed up. He didn't just say "I took a hit", he roleclaimed. Under 0 pressure. He wasn't even going to be lynched at this point in the day. So why is this important? Because a Townie that's paying attention and is actually thinking isn't going to claim Vet here: He will just say he got hit. The Mafia know they hit him, thats why he reveals that in the thread. The Scum do not know how he survived: was it Medic? Vet? Jailkeeper? There is no point in a Townie letting that information go. But a Scum player would because they aren't thinking like that from a Town point of view: they just want to establish Town cred. Just because someone flips Town doesn't mean they didn't make a mistake. People get myslynched for stuff like this all of the time. Townies do things that Scum are more than likely to do sometimes. This was one of them. And to make it even more concrete - the setup is 100% closed. We don't even have normal role names in the OP. This is even more incentive not to let the Scum know anything - they didn't even know Veterans existed in the game. To top it all off he ends up getting shot the next night now that they know how he survived the first time. Thanks for playing. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
It's a closed setup, but it's a 25 player game. Probably not a bold assumption that in a 25 player game, mafia have more than one KP (especially as no other KP has been revealed). So you have VE, a known claimer, claiming the 2nd KP on night 1 when there is extremely likely to be more than 1KP from the mafia. VE at this stage is already very likely town. VE was interested in the game, if you didn't think so, you should have been reading the thread better. What you're ranting about with his claim is that it's bad play. You've been playing the game long enough to know that bad play doesn't equal scumplay. To recap: Town player who looks town claims a hit when basic assumptions lead you to believe he was hit (more than 1KP in 25 player game). Further, he then goes on to be so careless / not caring about releasing logs that incriminiate him massively, something he would never do if he had already been recruited and/or was already mafia. In brief, VE clearly town. Thanks for playing. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Look at what you just did here: So you have VE, a known claimer, claiming the 2nd KP on night 1 when there is extremely likely to be more than 1KP from the mafia. VE at this stage is already very likely town. If VE is known to be a claimer then it's even better for all you meta characters if he is Scum: He does what he always does and lolz as he gets Town cred since he always claims. It doesn't even prove him is Town - it's literally at worst a null tell and even gives him cred here. You are at this moment admitting that the necessary tools for this scenario to happen exist because the player in question is known for doing it. What you're ranting about with his claim is that it's bad play. You've been playing the game long enough to know that bad play doesn't equal scumplay. It was bad Town play and it was Scum play. And I've even said if VE is Town he is going to be recruited so we can't even leave him alive - lynch. Do you not know how the role works?? Keep talking out of your ass though. Contact Qatol and co when you want to try and win this 10,000. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Certainly in all the games I've played it's never happened. Is this really what you're falling back on? lol. You're funny. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Certainly in all the games I've played it's never happened. Is this really what you're falling back on? lol. You're funny. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Keep justifying your shit lynch to yourself though, it's fun. | ||
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Ace
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