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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Every man for himself Mafia ![[image loading]](http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/chuiu/TLmafia_new.png) Palmar will be hosting this game. ghost_403 will be doing all the work. Filters!
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
General information that is unique to Palmar games: Questions: All questions should be PMd to the moderator. You are not allowed to say in thread you’re going to ask the moderator something, and you are not allowed to share your answer with the thread. If the question is a clarification all town needs to know, I will simply post an announcement in the thread. Do not ask questions in the thread once the game has started. Activity: There are no activity requirements. Spam: Strategical spam within reason is fine. Don’t be an idiot with it. Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game. Threatening to ask to be replaced or even simply announcing it is a modkillable offense. Just PM the mod PMs PMs are allowed in this game. Time Cycle: The night will be close to 24 hours. However, the day will last until a lynch is reached. There is no hard deadline, although I will most certainly implement one if the days start stretching far beyond 72 hours-ish. Yes, this is a very new thing to TL mafia. If a hammer is delivered, please show some respect and stop posting until a moderator sees the lynch and flips the victim. Also, I will be requesting bans for talking/giving information after you are hammered dead Voting
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Setup This game uses an open setup. The setup is as follows:
- Instant majority lynch - Mafia KP is 1 Role PMs Your Role PM will only include your role name. Please refer to this list for a description of your role. Doctor You are the Doctor. Every night you can choose one target and protect them from a single KP. You win when the mafia has been eliminated. Shrink You are the Shrink. Every night you can choose one target to take in for therapy. Anyone in therapy cannot have his alignment changed. You win when the mafia has been eliminated Paranoid Gun Owner You are the Paranoid Gun Owner. You kill everyone that visits you. You win when the mafia has been eliminated Jester You are the Jester. You win if you get lynched. Lyncher You are the Lyncher. At the start of the game one of the other players (non-mafia) will be chosen as an "Annoying Townie". That person is your target. You win if the Annoying Townie is lynched. Yakuza You are the Yakuza. You can choose to sacrifice your life to convert your target to the mafia once in the game. You win when mafia equals or outnumbers the rest of town. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Questions Answered: On January 07 2013 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Can the medic save the yakuza from killing himself, if so does he still turn someone into mafia? Yes, if the medic protects the Yakuza, the Yakuza will not die, however the target will still be turned mafia. On January 07 2013 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Does the person turned mafia retain his role, or become a goon? The person being turned retains his role. However his win condition changes. This means that both Jester and Lyncher effectively become Goons. On January 07 2013 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Before you edited in the detailed roles I looked up shrink and it said if shrink targets yakuza then he cannot change someone's alignment, is this still true? Your roles seem somewhat different from mafia wiki The shrink needs to target the person the Yakuza is targeting. Targeting the Yakuza himself will not do anything. I should probably note that the Shrink is allowed to protect himself. On January 07 2013 22:41 Clarity_nl wrote: Does the lyncher get told who he's supposed to get lynched? It's not specified. Yes On January 07 2013 22:41 Clarity_nl wrote:When the lyncher reaches his wincon is he removed from the game/is it anounced he has reached his wincon? When the first player reaches his win condition the game will end. However if that win condition results in simultaneous victories for other parties, it is considered a joint win. For example in a 2v1 situation, the jester is lynched means that he has reached his win condition. But the mafia will share the win because they just hit 1v1 with the lynch. On January 07 2013 22:48 Dandel Ion wrote: I assume the conversion happens at the night deadline, so can the mafia shoot and convert in the same night Yes, the Yakuza can kill and convert in the same night. On January 07 2013 22:48 Dandel Ion wrote: Does converting the gun owner work (the yakuza dies anyways)? Yes the PGO turns mafia and the Yakuza ends up dead. General Game Discussion: | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
A question: Can the medic save the yakuza from killing himself, if so does he still turn someone into mafia? edit: second question, does the person turned mafia retain his role, or become a goon? edit2: Before you edited in the detailed roles I looked up shrink and it said if shrink targets yakuza then he cannot change someone's alignment, is this still true? Your roles seem somewhat different from mafia wiki | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 07 2013 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Can the medic save the yakuza from killing himself, if so does he still turn someone into mafia? Yes, if the medic protects the Yakuza, the Yakuza will not die, however the target will still be turned mafia. On January 07 2013 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Does the person turned mafia retain his role, or become a goon? The person being turned retains his role. However his win condition changes. This means that both Jester and Lyncher effectively become Goons. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
/in Does the lyncher get told who he's supposed to get lynched? It's not specified. When the lyncher reaches his wincon is he removed from the game/is it anounced he has reached his wincon? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 07 2013 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Before you edited in the detailed roles I looked up shrink and it said if shrink targets yakuza then he cannot change someone's alignment, is this still true? Your roles seem somewhat different from mafia wiki The shrink needs to target the person the Yakuza is targeting. Targeting the Yakuza himself will not do anything. I should probably note that the Shrink is allowed to protect himself. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 07 2013 22:41 Clarity_nl wrote: Does the lyncher get told who he's supposed to get lynched? It's not specified. Yes On January 07 2013 22:41 Clarity_nl wrote:When the lyncher reaches his wincon is he removed from the game/is it anounced he has reached his wincon? When the first player reaches his win condition the game will end. However if that win condition results in simultaneous victories for other parties, it is considered a joint win. For example in a 2v1 situation, the jester is lynched means that he has reached his win condition. But the mafia will share the win because they just hit 1v1 with the lynch. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Does converting the gun owner work (the yakuza dies anyways)? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 07 2013 22:48 Dandel Ion wrote: I assume the conversion happens at the night deadline, so can the mafia shoot and convert in the same night Yes, the Yakuza can kill and convert in the same night. On January 07 2013 22:48 Dandel Ion wrote: Does converting the gun owner work (the yakuza dies anyways)? Yes the PGO turns mafia and the Yakuza ends up dead. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I'm assuming mafia kp does not count as a night visit since otherwise they can't night kill the paranoid gun owner. edit: If yakuza sacrifices to turn the PGO and the medic targets yakuza, does the yakuza die? I ask because the yakuza role states "sacrifice yourself" and not "take 1 kp" | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 07 2013 22:52 Clarity_nl wrote: If yakuza sacrifices to turn the PGO and the medic targets yakuza, does the yakuza die? Yes, the yakuza's sacrifice counts as 1 KP delivered unto himself. (Fun fact, if there was a watcher in the game watching the Yak, he'd see the Yak visiting up to three targets. The night kill, the sacrifice target, and himself). | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
edit: I guess you mean without instantly losing the game, lol. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Looks funny And no, I won't hypno-Toad in a 6 player game | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:06 Clarity_nl wrote: Errr, what am I missing, is the night action ordering "everything but the scum nk > scum nk"? edit: I guess you mean without instantly losing the game, lol. I have no clue what the order is. and no, the scum literally can't shoot the pgo. assume no lynch day 1, yak yaks the doc night 1, doc protects yak, and yak scumkills the lyncher. now it's yak+doc on scum and fool+shrink+pgo on town. Assume for god knows what reason there is another no lynch. If the doctor delivers a kill on the PGO that night, he will die and the PGO will live. Scum literally cannot kill the PGO. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:11 Palmar wrote: I have no clue what the order is. and no, the scum literally can't shoot the pgo. assume no lynch day 1, yak yaks the doc night 1, doc protects yak, and yak scumkills the lyncher. now it's yak+doc on scum and fool+shrink+pgo on town. Assume for god knows what reason there is another no lynch. If the doctor delivers a kill on the PGO that night, he will die and the PGO will live. Scum literally cannot kill the PGO. Wait, so does the yak die if he targets the pgo? Cause it sounds like he doesn't, but a converted mafia would? Also, does the yakkity still die if the convert target is shrink'd? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:25 Dandel Ion wrote: Wait, so does the yak die if he targets the pgo? Cause it sounds like he doesn't, but a converted mafia would? Also, does the yakkity still die if the convert target is shrink'd? Yak dies if he targets pgo and yes, if the yak yaks a target in therapy, he just dies in vain. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
/obs if there is gonna be one | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Please let me be the Lyncher who has to lynch WBG Please let me be the Lyncher who has to lynch WBG Please let me be the Lyncher who has to lynch WBG | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Fk da police | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 07 2013 22:59 Palmar wrote: Yes, the yakuza's sacrifice counts as 1 KP delivered unto himself. (Fun fact, if there was a watcher in the game watching the Yak, he'd see the Yak visiting up to three targets. The night kill, the sacrifice target, and himself). oh wait just to get this right, so he dies because he takes 2 KP while only being protected from 1? 1 protection from medic, 1 KP from selfdestruction, 1KP from PGO? So if medic targets mafia and mafia sacs himself to turn medic into mafia it's pretty much insta-gg because mafia gets protection from selfdestruction and medic ends up being mafia? 2nd question What happens with Jester / Lyncher if he / his target gets killed during night? Wayne with Jester because he's just dead without winning the game (correct?) but what about the Lyncher? Let's say I am the Lyncher, I have to lynch WBG and that useless scrub kills himself at night by targeting the PGO. I don't win the game because I didn't lynch him but am I still in the game? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On January 08 2013 00:07 Toadesstern wrote: oh wait just to get this right, so he dies because he takes 2 KP while only being protected from 1? 1 protection from medic, 1 KP from selfdestruction, 1KP from PGO? So if medic targets mafia and mafia sacs himself to turn medic into mafia it's pretty much insta-gg because mafia gets protection from selfdestruction and medic ends up being mafia? Not quite insta-gg, but pretty close. Yes, the medic can stop the yak from dying as a result of his night actions. 2nd question What happens with Jester / Lyncher if he / his target gets killed during night? Wayne with Jester because he's just dead without winning the game (correct?) but what about the Lyncher? Let's say I am the Lyncher, I have to lynch WBG and that useless scrub kills himself at night by targeting the PGO. I don't win the game because I didn't lynch him but am I still in the game? I'll defer to Palmar, but it doesn't sound to me like he met his wincon D: The game must go on! Also, there is a way that everyone in the game can win at the same time. Never gonna happen, but if it does, I'll be damn impressed. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:35 Dandel Ion wrote: No, nobody wants you, iamp. I want IMP <3 | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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JieXian
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 08 2013 00:24 ghost_403 wrote: Also, there is a way that everyone in the game can win at the same time. Never gonna happen, but if it does, I'll be damn impressed. I can picture a situation where only the Jester, Lyncher and Yakuza left in the game, lyncher's target is the Jester and the Jester gets lynched and 3 people win together. How can both town and mafia win together? | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On January 08 2013 00:43 JieXian wrote: I can picture a situation where only the Jester, Lyncher and Yakuza left in the game, lyncher's target is the Jester and the Jester gets lynched and 3 people win together. How can both town and mafia win together? And spoil the fun! I think not. e: turns out the shrink has to die for this to happen. Sorry, shrink. ee: and the doc. missed that the first four times. It's stupidly complicated. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 08 2013 00:24 ghost_403 wrote: Not quite insta-gg, but pretty close. Yes, the medic can stop the yak from dying as a result of his night actions. I'll defer to Palmar, but it doesn't sound to me like he met his wincon D: The game must go on! Also, there is a way that everyone in the game can win at the same time. Never gonna happen, but if it does, I'll be damn impressed. well yeah, obviously in both scenarios both the jester or the lyncher have not met their wincon and therefore lost but will the Lyncher be removed from the game if that happens or does he get to be Kingmaker (I despise those Kingmaker scenarios). And about the first.. well yeah not quite. Mafia can still lose due to being to slow but other than that they're pretty much unstoppable :p | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
This is the final player list. I will be starting whenever I feel like, since there are no hard deadlines. If you have any questions try to bring them up in the next hours. I would advise you guys to really think hard about what you do this game. This is a very complicated setup and your win condition can change. Remember this is also a PM game, so be careful of people trying to impersonate other people. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 08 2013 00:43 JieXian wrote: I can picture a situation where only the Jester, Lyncher and Yakuza left in the game, lyncher's target is the Jester and the Jester gets lynched and 3 people win together. How can both town and mafia win together? What if I told you everyone becomes mafia ^^ | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
E: Damn, too late. GLHF | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
I usually see the sender, if I receive a PM. (never played a PM game, sry 4 being bad) | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
If a medic/shrink targets a PGO they die, but do they protect the PGO in the process? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
And yes, they protect the PGO. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 08 2013 03:27 marvellosity wrote: basically the doctor has a 1/5 chance of actually doing something useful, lol Well that depends on what tactic the doctor takes. He can try to protect whoever he thinks the yak will kill, but he could also try to reach out to the yak and protect the yak in exchange for being turned mafia. That way they can almost guarantee a win together on day 2. This really is every man for himself mafia, the players involved need to think how they can win the game, not how anyone else can win. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 08 2013 03:41 Palmar wrote: Well that depends on what tactic the doctor takes. He can try to protect whoever he thinks the yak will kill, but he could also try to reach out to the yak and protect the yak in exchange for being turned mafia. That way they can almost guarantee a win together on day 2. This really is every man for himself mafia, the players involved need to think how they can win the game, not how anyone else can win. Great, now you told everybody my sick secret plan in case I roll medic. Nvm tho, I have more sick secret plans. €: On January 08 2013 04:39 Clarity_nl wrote: What happens in case of a stalemate, like say the doctor and yak meet and the nk goes through so it's 4 people left, but the other two people realize that they have so there will never be a majority. Will the host decide on a no-lynch? (since scum can kill themselves on PGO) If yak turns the medic, he can just request protection from his new scumbuddy and shoot at anybody. Worst case, nobody dies. No-lynch or lynch, doesn't matter, just keep shooting until somebody drops. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 08 2013 03:41 Palmar wrote: Well that depends on what tactic the doctor takes. He can try to protect whoever he thinks the yak will kill, but he could also try to reach out to the yak and protect the yak in exchange for being turned mafia. That way they can almost guarantee a win together on day 2. This really is every man for himself mafia, the players involved need to think how they can win the game, not how anyone else can win. oh wow wow what have I got myself into... =)))))))))))))) reminds me of http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372873 haha | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 08 2013 04:48 Dandel Ion wrote: Great, now you told everybody my sick secret plan in case I roll medic. Nvm tho, I have more sick secret plans. €: If yak turns the medic, he can just request protection from his new scumbuddy and shoot at anybody. Worst case, nobody dies. No-lynch or lynch, doesn't matter, just keep shooting until somebody drops. ? I thought palmar said that the yak will turn people into goons which means that they'll lose their power? edit: nevermind my bad it's only for jester and lyncher | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Question: Can this setup be broken via a massclaim? Like...everybody massclaims, then the Shrink tells the Medic (or potential medic cc's) to protect him every night, while they lynch into the cc's for the Yakuza or something like that. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
So even if the scum was claimed, the jester + lyncher need to not vote him if they want to win. If all 3 blues claim, it's still impossible to lynch, unless the town votes the jester and he self-votes for a win. Either way, town gets nothing. I don't think massclaiming everything is a good idea, but I'm sure claims upon claims will happen eventually, lol €: and not necessarily in thread | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Even if all 3 town blues are "confirmed town" (somehow) after the massclaim, the 3 anti-town roles won't know (by the claims alone) who is who. Maybe that can make it so town can lynch scum, or maybe the Lyncher and lynch scum the next day or something? There may also be a "hidden" strategy, that has to do with directing night actions from the blues in a way so that town can 100% win | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 08 2013 04:39 Clarity_nl wrote: What happens in case of a stalemate, like say the doctor and yak meet and the nk goes through so it's 4 people left, but the other two people realize that they have so there will never be a majority. Will the host decide on a no-lynch? (since scum can kill themselves on PGO) I don't understand the scenario. Are you assuming town lynches day 1, and then yak turns the doc (and gets protected) and night kills for example the lyncher? That means 2 scum vs 2 town = mafia victory. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 08 2013 06:09 gonzaw wrote: Wow I kind of wanted to join this lol Question: Can this setup be broken via a massclaim? Like...everybody massclaims, then the Shrink tells the Medic (or potential medic cc's) to protect him every night, while they lynch into the cc's for the Yakuza or something like that. The fool and the lyncher should make sure this cannot happen. Lynching the fool ends the game. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
This should be hilarious to watch | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 08 2013 05:53 JieXian wrote: ? I thought palmar said that the yak will turn people into goons which means that they'll lose their power? edit: nevermind my bad it's only for jester and lyncher To be clear there is a difference between role and win condition. Yakuza only changes win condition. a fool has no role, but he has a win condition (get lynched) a doc has a role (protect) and a win condition (eliminate all mafia) a lyncher has a passive role (there exists an annoying townie) and a win condition (lynch the annoying townie) anyone turned by the yak will retain his role (if any) but his win condition will become the mafia win condition. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Day 1 ![[image loading]](http://thefreelancedesk.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/titanic.jpg) Trust no one... Good luck and have fun | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
I'm a miller. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
1) No policy lynches There's a Jester in the game. If we establish a policy, he'll just intentionally not follow it. So establishing lynch policies is useless. 2) Don't rush shit Don't vote uselessly. Don't hammer random people. 3) Don't massclaim It helps nobody. 4) No-lynch on day 1. Let the yak clear out the playing field in the night. No point in lynching somebody only to have lyncher/jester win out of nowhere. Sure, a scum lynch on day 1 would be sweet, but let's stay real. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
A no-lynch day 1 I'm not sure about, but I'm leaning towards a yes. Two chances to end the game in favor of not-town (could be 1, I guess) and one chance to end the game in favor of town are not good odds. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
There's also the small detail that half the players don't actually WANT to lynch scum. So any lynches that get done would have to be supported by scum, the lyncher, or the jester. All possible outcomes are severely undesireable. This is not a regular game. Town does not have the majority. You need to keep that in mind. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Of course, none of us need to win as town. Every man for himself, after all. But a bit early to talk dirty betrayal, I suppose. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
I'll be the master of course, but we can negotiate you being on top from time to time. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:34 Toadesstern wrote: I'm here but I'm playing dota Clearly, this is not something a townie would do. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:36 Dandel Ion wrote: Clearly, this is not something a townie would do. certainly its not a townie thing to point out that. that is not a townie thing because it is obviouslly null leaning scum on dandel | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:37 iamperfection wrote: certainly its not a townie thing to point out that. that is not a townie thing because it is obviouslly null leaning scum on dandel Okay, screw you, I'm not going to partner with you </3 | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:36 Dandel Ion wrote: Clearly, this is not something a townie would do. damn right you are, or are you? who knows! I'm a mystery! | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:38 Dandel Ion wrote: Okay, screw you, I'm not going to partner with you </3 But you wanted to partner with him meaning you thought he was scum, you being scum makes no sense if you are offended by that comment. Therefore you never meant to partner up to him and this is all a ruse. This means you are third party I AM A GENIUS | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:38 Dandel Ion wrote: Okay, screw you, I'm not going to partner with you </3 actually you can send any message you want to me but i will not be contacting anyone i do everything in the open. Come to me if you feel it will help your cause | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:41 Clarity_nl wrote: But you wanted to partner with him meaning you thought he was scum, you being scum makes no sense if you are offended by that comment. Therefore you never meant to partner up to him and this is all a ruse. This means you are third party I AM A GENIUS the logic it's overwhelming | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:41 iamperfection wrote: actually you can send any message you want to me but i will not be contacting anyone i do everything in the open. Come to me if you feel it will help your cause I wanted to partner up in thread. Should be okay with you, if you're all in the open and shit. Why so hesitant, bro. I'm sure you got something for me. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote: I wanted to partner up in thread. Should be okay with you, if you're all in the open and shit. Why so hesitant, bro. I'm sure you got something for me. i dont even know what that means. If we partner up in the thread and turn this into an irc between each other it will be the longest thread ever. You are clearly being anti town Scum read strengthens. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:05 iamperfection wrote: i dont even know what that means. If we partner up in the thread and turn this into an irc between each other it will be the longest thread ever. You are clearly being anti town Scum read strengthens. what are you even saying? what does have an (un?)holy alliance to do with irc, spamming and the longest (thread)? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:06 Dandel Ion wrote: what are you even saying? what does have an (un?)holy alliance to do with irc, spamming and the longest (thread)? im saying if its just me and you talking to each other we are going to make this thread long and fast. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:10 Dandel Ion wrote: And that's bad because? well generally people get upset with a bunch of one liners shitting up the thread no matter how witty or amazing they might be. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Plus, we're only 6 people, and we have Jiexian, he doesn't even count, cause he doesn't post. Like, at all, not just now. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Have you read the OP? ^ Most important things. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:17 Dandel Ion wrote: Will you try to lynch somebody today? Have you read the OP? ^ Most important things. 1. if we find scum 2. most of it + Show Spoiler + all of it | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
(on day 1 that is) | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 08 2013 09:20 Dandel Ion wrote: Pray tell, how do you suppose to get this scum you want to find actually lynched in this setup? (on day 1 that is) pray tell, why would a scum act any differently then he normally would. his goal is still to appear to contribute to simply survive until night 1 with this set up | ||
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Dandel Ion
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It's not that hard: Majority is 4, number of townies is 3. 3 people don't WANT to lynch scum on day 1. If he shapes up for a day2 lynch, just convert somebody n1. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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We were both town, IIRC | ||
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iamperfection
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Dandel Ion
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Your townier than Toad, that's for sure. Just imagine me mentally making a listpost | ||
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iamperfection
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On January 08 2013 09:40 Dandel Ion wrote: As townie as Clarity, maybe. Your townier than Toad, that's for sure. Just imagine me mentally making a listpost but lists are scummy | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Dreamy. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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##FoS Clarity | ||
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iamperfection
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Dandel Ion
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I called him out for lurking when.... Ah, forget it | ||
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iamperfection
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On January 08 2013 09:58 Dandel Ion wrote: irony, do you understand it? I called him out for lurking when.... Ah, forget it oh so your saying it was just a joke and had no meaning you are skyrocketing up my scum chart | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Like, it's a meta divergence and should be seen as such. If you don't get the underlying joke, idc. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Like, I couldn't give less of a fuck about it. After the 15th time, I slowly got it. | ||
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iamperfection
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On January 08 2013 10:28 Dandel Ion wrote: But why do you feel the need to point out how I rise in your arbitary scum-meter every time? Like, I couldn't give less of a fuck about it. After the 15th time, I slowly got it. to let everyone know i think your scum. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
You're one of those annoying bobblers that think if you repeat something often enough, everybody believes you. Or maybe you even like to pretend you somehow get "right" through doing it. Either way, you're like, totally beneath me. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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iamps face is getting tiresome. Appear plz. | ||
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iamperfection
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Dandel Ion
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But you don't love me back. It breaks my heart. | ||
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iamperfection
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Q.Q Q.Q | ||
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Dandel Ion
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I don't mind though, at least he had the courtesy to pop in and say "I'm not posting" Not everybody did that. | ||
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JieXian
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was fast asleep, can't possibly know when palmar was going to start | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:03 Dandel Ion wrote: In all seriousness, how we need to proceed: 1) No policy lynches There's a Jester in the game. If we establish a policy, he'll just intentionally not follow it. So establishing lynch policies is useless. 2) Don't rush shit Don't vote uselessly. Don't hammer random people. 3) Don't massclaim It helps nobody. 4) No-lynch on day 1. Let the yak clear out the playing field in the night. No point in lynching somebody only to have lyncher/jester win out of nowhere. Sure, a scum lynch on day 1 would be sweet, but let's stay real. that sounds very reasonable | ||
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Clarity_nl
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Clarity_nl Dandel Ion Toadesstern iamperfection JieXian Dienosore Let me know what you guys think. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 08 2013 08:03 Dandel Ion wrote: In all seriousness, how we need to proceed: 1) No policy lynches There's a Jester in the game. If we establish a policy, he'll just intentionally not follow it. So establishing lynch policies is useless. 2) Don't rush shit Don't vote uselessly. Don't hammer random people. 3) Don't massclaim It helps nobody. 4) No-lynch on day 1. Let the yak clear out the playing field in the night. No point in lynching somebody only to have lyncher/jester win out of nowhere. Sure, a scum lynch on day 1 would be sweet, but let's stay real. which means lynching him is going to help me and everyone else unless he's the target of the lyncher. Obviously we could go try and scumhunt for a mafia d1 lynch but I don't think it's going to happen simply because we've got 3 anti-town forces in a 6 man set-up. If we lynch mafia d1 the lyncher and the jester have lost the game so they'll do whatever it takes to not let that happen. Not to mention that scum is probably going to play really different this game due to the set-up which makes scumhunting almost impossible, so everyone should try and role-hunt for their own sake. We don't want to help other people to win the game after all. #BELIEVE Let's kill Dandel Let's be frank here, the Lyncher basicly wants to not look like a Lyncher and I do think Dandel is trying to not look like a Lyncher/Jester here. Let's get rid of him everyone. | ||
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Toadesstern
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Other than that, feel free to pm me! | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 08 2013 19:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Toad as dandel himself has said, if we vote someone and he actually gets lynched that means he's not scum. Scum cannot get lynched today. I know, that's why I said let's lynch him. I don't think he's scum, I think he's the lyncher. | ||
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I mean, I guess I see what you're doing, you think you might be able to figure out who's scum from the voting today, but from what I've read about the yakuza role it is generally proper play to sacrifice yourself n1. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 08 2013 19:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Your argument for him not being a jester should also apply to him not being a lyncher, he started out the thread by saying he doesn't want a lynch today. Also if you believe him to be the lyncher then a no-lynch would benefit you still, unless you're not town ofcourse. I mean, I guess I see what you're doing, you think you might be able to figure out who's scum from the voting today, but from what I've read about the yakuza role it is generally proper play to sacrifice yourself n1. nah. It is proper play to not look like a lyncher as lyncher so him not looking like a lyncher on the first post (not really a hard one to do...) really is indicative of him being one. I don't think he'd post that carefree as jester. That's the deal. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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His opening post makes him look like he's not lyncher Therefore he is lyncher Ehhh..... | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Jester is incredibly hard to do if you know there's a jester in the game. Been there, already played it. His post is not a jester post. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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We no-lynch day 1 because we can't lynch scum day 1, but then the only way for town to have a majority day 2 is if scum kills third party and doesn't use his ability, or if he does it has to hit the other third party. If either hits town and they aren't prevented then it will be 2-2 town-antitown. The only person that seems he wants to win as town aligned would be the shrink. The PGO is hoping he gets yakuzad and the doctor has a bigger chance of winning as scum. So I guess my question to you toad is, how does it benefit you to lynch the lyncher? | ||
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Toadesstern
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Lynching the Lyncher = 1 player less that can make me lose by accidently lynching another guy. You should want that no matter of alignment as well, shouldn't you? | ||
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Dandel Ion
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His argument is shit too, "he doesn't want to lynch so he's the lyncher". I'm just SURE, that with me being the lyncher, I'd TOTALLY not want to lynch people. Makes sense. Since he somehow pretended I wanted to wifom with the first post, how would be 'know' I'm lyncher and not jester? He can't. He just wants to lynch people for the hell of it. Which means he's the lyncher. (ITS EVEN IN THE NAME) ofc that also means I'm probably not his target. That'd be too obvious. On January 08 2013 19:52 Toadesstern wrote: why should we no-lynch? That's not pro-town. And wayne pro-town in general, play pro-wincon. Lynching the Lyncher = 1 player less that can make me lose by accidently lynching another guy. You should want that no matter of alignment as well, shouldn't you? Here's the thing: You talk bullshit. Which means you either didn't think about the setup at all (likely, you play dota), or you think you can convince people to lynch today, even though it's baaaaad strategy. this is also why you can't be scum. I guess dota is more of a third-party-tell after all. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On January 08 2013 13:27 JieXian wrote: wth dandel how are you still awake aren't you in austria... Magic On January 08 2013 13:30 JieXian wrote: and dandel why are you calling me a lurker when only the 2 of your plus toad are posting lol Cause you are. And you will. Feel free to prove me wrong. On January 08 2013 17:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Hello, I am back, dandel just wants to have a good time yo. Don't understand your FoS though, not even ironically, care to explain it? The point stands. Not much more to say about it. On January 08 2013 18:47 Toadesstern wrote: Oh I went to bed after dota. So let's lynch Dandel. I don't think he's the jester due to this post: which means lynching him is going to help me and everyone else unless he's the target of the lyncher. Obviously we could go try and scumhunt for a mafia d1 lynch but I don't think it's going to happen simply because we've got 3 anti-town forces in a 6 man set-up. If we lynch mafia d1 the lyncher and the jester have lost the game so they'll do whatever it takes to not let that happen. Not to mention that scum is probably going to play really different this game due to the set-up which makes scumhunting almost impossible, so everyone should try and role-hunt for their own sake. We don't want to help other people to win the game after all. #BELIEVE Let's kill Dandel Let's be frank here, the Lyncher basicly wants to not look like a Lyncher and I do think Dandel is trying to not look like a Lyncher/Jester here. Let's get rid of him everyone. If you want to lynch me, vote me like a man. You are not playing like a man. On January 08 2013 19:35 Toadesstern wrote: nah. It is proper play to not look like a lyncher as lyncher so him not looking like a lyncher on the first post (not really a hard one to do...) really is indicative of him being one. I don't think he'd post that carefree as jester. That's the deal. I never even played third party, but it's reassuring to know that you totally know what I would do in that case. Looks very legit, tell me more about my 3p play. I'm curious. On January 08 2013 19:49 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm still trying to wrap my head around what pro-town is this game though. We no-lynch day 1 because we can't lynch scum day 1, but then the only way for town to have a majority day 2 is if scum kills third party and doesn't use his ability, or if he does it has to hit the other third party. If either hits town and they aren't prevented then it will be 2-2 town-antitown. The only person that seems he wants to win as town aligned would be the shrink. The PGO is hoping he gets yakuzad and the doctor has a bigger chance of winning as scum. So I guess my question to you toad is, how does it benefit you to lynch the lyncher? This is incomplete thinking. Not wrong, but incomplete. Blues can win as blue. Scum shoots the PGO = victory Shrink prots correctly = victory The one that superficially WANTS to get turned is the medic, but there's another layer to that. If you're blue (like I'm suspecting) you should think about how you can win and the ways to achieve that. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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I'm not convinced of toad being anything yet, but even if he were the lyncher I wouldn't want to lynch him. The fact that toad thinks he figured out who the lyncher is and WANTS TO LYNCH HIM FOR IT is absurd | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
I know it's intimating to roll scum, but don't worry about outing yourself, you won't get lynched today. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 08 2013 21:05 Clarity_nl wrote: "I'm afraid of the lyncher, I think dandel is the lyncher, therefore I want to lynch him." Makes no sense. I'm not convinced of toad being anything yet, but even if he were the lyncher I wouldn't want to lynch him. The fact that toad thinks he figured out who the lyncher is and WANTS TO LYNCH HIM FOR IT is absurd Correct. We don't lynch Toad. We don't lynch anything. Toad just salty cuz all the fun happens in the night and the lyncher can't do anything then. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On January 08 2013 21:06 Dandel Ion wrote: Correct. We don't lynch Toad. We don't lynch anything. Toad just salty cuz all the fun happens in the night and the lyncher can't do anything then. Or jester. Can't be sure | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On January 08 2013 21:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Dandel at your last bit there, I'm not saying town can't win as town, I'm saying they have little influence over a town victory. Shrink can end the game with a properly targeted night kill, PGO can get hit by the scum and although I'm sure there are subtle ways of trying to make this happen, for the sake of discussion I don't see a way for town to PLAY (read: be active in thread and try to figure it out) to a town victory, at least not today. Which is why I advise you to think harder. If you give it up and do nothing today, because you think you can do nothing, then you will accomplish nothing. If you're fine with that, then like, whatever man. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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I don't see a way for town to PLAY (read: be active in thread and try to figure it out) to a town victory, at least not today. Sure does read as giving up. UNLESS YOURE NOT TOWN (dundundun) But k, enough of that. Lest we be stuck on semantics. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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My argument is a logical one, you can't attack it with emotion, it is not me "giving up" | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Leaving the options open is expected, but not to be stuck on a single path. It would be smarter to consider all options. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Even if I found it lacking, I'd have no resonable motivation to correct you. Maybe you're completly right all along, though, and I just wanted to confuse you? Who knows really. (I do) | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Do you wish me to take your hand, or rather I shut up? I can't do 1) in good conscience, but I could be persuaded towards 2) We're not making progress here, and the topic is rather dull to begin with. Important, but dull. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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Anyway let's just pretend we're lynching today. We're not lynching toad. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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We're not lynching toad. We're not lynching iamp, and we're not lynching me (derp). I also wouldn't lynch you, Clari-T. Leaves not many options. | ||
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He's also not scum. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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And with "I'd lynch", I mean this hypothetical world where lynching scum is possible. What a beautiful world. Sadly, it's a dream. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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It's not really that magical. We talked to each other for a few pages, if you noticed. To note, my read on him is exactly that, not-scum. | ||
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JieXian
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On January 08 2013 08:20 Palmar wrote: Just so we're clear, if the lyncher's target dies he turns vanilla town and gains the town win condition It could very well be nothing but I've got a feeling there's a high possibility that lyncher is among the 2 people who were around when the game just started and he PMed Palmar something cue MK : dang dang dang | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On January 08 2013 22:33 JieXian wrote: It could very well be nothing but I've got a feeling there's a high possibility that lyncher is among the 2 people who were around when the game just started and he PMed Palmar something cue MK : dang dang dang You just shot up on my lyncher-scale and stole Toad's crown. Why else would you feel the need to point out something that's clearly not indicative of anything, but to distance yourself from being the person by aribtarily narrowing it to a pool of people you "just" happen to not be in. Also the part where people are more likely to think/talk about their own roles, rather than others'. Hi lyncher. Who's your target? | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 08 2013 22:33 JieXian wrote: It could very well be nothing but I've got a feeling there's a high possibility that lyncher is among the 2 people who were around when the game just started and he PMed Palmar something cue MK : dang dang dang I actually asked Palmar that question pregame and while I can not and will not talk about wether or not I pm'ed him this again to get an answer (I did totally not you guyses! :p) it might just be that he saw me question from over here: On January 08 2013 00:07 Toadesstern wrote: [...] 2nd question What happens with Jester / Lyncher if he / his target gets killed during night? Wayne with Jester because he's just dead without winning the game (correct?) but what about the Lyncher? Let's say I am the Lyncher, I have to lynch WBG and that useless scrub kills himself at night by targeting the PGO. I don't win the game because I didn't lynch him but am I still in the game? Still want to lynch the fuck out of Dandel. Way to serious that dude. This should be played like irc-mafia with insta lynches in 20 seconds. Like he wants to be look serious for some reason. Still don't think he's the Jester, still don't think he's mafia. Only option left is Lyncher. Lynch the Lyncher and everyone's happy! | ||
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iamperfection
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Dandel Ion
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Big difference. Plus I could be lying to the gullible you. | ||
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Toadesstern
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You already "figured it out" or you already figured it out? The first one being your reads which I honestly speaking don't give a crap about, the 2nd one being hard facts. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Sure. | ||
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iamperfection
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Clearly that is what is going to happen why not just get it over with? | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Maybe im PGO. Who knows. i wouldn't tell my PGOness to YOU though, if I were it. Remember when I said no massclaims? Yeah, I'm keeping to that course. I'll also not arbitarily out people (on day1 at least), so feel free to ignore me. As you don't matter to me. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Which is the only reason i didn't vote no-lynch yet. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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On January 08 2013 23:04 iamperfection wrote: want to just vote for no lynch? Clearly that is what is going to happen why not just get it over with? I'd rather hear from Dieno first | ||
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Dandel Ion
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that too | ||
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iamperfection
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thought you knew his role by elimination? | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On January 08 2013 23:07 iamperfection wrote: thought you knew his role by elimination? No cuz you don't tell me yours. | ||
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But you don't. So you don't really want to lynch me. You just want to look like you do. Toadie Toad. | ||
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Toadesstern
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better? We need 4 people to lynch you, right? | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On January 08 2013 23:17 iamperfection wrote: toad so clearly the lyncher trying to lynch obvious townie Toad clearly NOT the lyncher because exactly that. I won't disagree with the obvious townie though. | ||
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iamperfection
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On January 08 2013 23:20 Dandel Ion wrote: Toad clearly NOT the lyncher because exactly that. I won't disagree with the obvious townie though. he is just trying to play mind games | ||
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or anyone who agrees with him for that matter ##vote: nolynch | ||
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On January 08 2013 23:24 JieXian wrote: so dandel why arent you voting the no lynch yet? or anyone who agrees with him for that matter ##vote: nolynch On January 08 2013 23:06 Dandel Ion wrote: I won't be here in the night today (as you know iamp), so I don't want to start the night too early. Which is the only reason i didn't vote no-lynch yet. The only is incorrect, there's also a distinct lack of dieno, as clarity pointed out. | ||
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JieXian
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On January 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote: You just shot up on my lyncher-scale and stole Toad's crown. Why else would you feel the need to point out something that's clearly not indicative of anything, but to distance yourself from being the person by aribtarily narrowing it to a pool of people you "just" happen to not be in. Also the part where people are more likely to think/talk about their own roles, rather than others'. Hi lyncher. Who's your target? oh shucks you got me. :O my target is yak | ||
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Looks real legit, dude. Who is the yak then? We could totes lynch him together!!! | ||
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JieXian
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On January 08 2013 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote: I already said, I wanna hear from Dieno first. I mean there is the small possibility that he is playing to his wincon by not posting today (somehow) but way more likely is that he just hasn't been around yet. how so? shoot me some theories please | ||
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On January 08 2013 23:27 iamperfection wrote: maybe dandel is trying to play super townie to make us think he is not the jester when he really is very confusing Not gonna lie, that was my go-to jester strategy. | ||
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JieXian
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On January 08 2013 23:28 Dandel Ion wrote: Looks real legit, dude. Who is the yak then? We could totes lynch him together!!! yaaaaaaaay! show of hands anyone? | ||
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iamperfection
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On January 08 2013 23:28 Dandel Ion wrote: Not gonna lie, that was my go-to jester strategy. see he admits it | ||
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Toadesstern
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well of course. You've got to play jester like that... | ||
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Clarity_nl
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I dunno, but the possibility exists since the OP specifies there is no activity requirement as long as you play to your wincon. I could see some jester plays that do this day 1 or maybe he's pming people and I'm not aware of it. My point is I want day 1 to last longer than 15 hours, since we haven't heard from everyone yet. | ||
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Toadesstern
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"Dandel is bad, don't listen to him" | ||
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iamperfection
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On January 08 2013 23:33 Toadesstern wrote: I've got a pm from him. It reads: "Dandel is bad, don't listen to him" i got that one 2 | ||
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Toadesstern
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I want an honest answer. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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heh good one. | ||
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iamperfection
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On January 08 2013 23:37 Toadesstern wrote: iamp, do you think Dandel is town or mafia. I want an honest answer. town but why does it matter? | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Weren't you like, pretending to be super-sure I'm the lyncher? | ||
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iamperfection
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## Vote No Lynch | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 08 2013 23:39 Dandel Ion wrote: Toad, y u only list town or mafia? Weren't you like, pretending to be super-sure I'm the lyncher? shush now Mr. useless | ||
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Dandel Ion
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At least I'm a man. You're just a ball. | ||
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Toadesstern
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And I'm pretty sure you like me :p | ||
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Dandel Ion
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You're not quite there yet. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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Hey iamp are you being more investigative in pms or something because you don't seem to care about figuring stuff out very much. | ||
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iamperfection
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On January 08 2013 23:47 Clarity_nl wrote: Goobley gar egar goobly gees Hey iamp are you being more investigative in pms or something because you don't seem to care about figuring stuff out very much. what do you mean | ||
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He answers though, so feel free to pm him and figure out. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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I mean you kind of have this air of "eh, whatever, nolynch go" air about you | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On January 08 2013 23:49 Clarity_nl wrote: If you two are going to start making out in public, I am leaving. I thought you were gonna come visit me irl? You can also go to Toad, he loves it when you put your rebel fighter into his ventilation pipe, ifyouknowwhatimean | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 08 2013 23:07 iamperfection wrote: thought you knew his role by elimination? how would you know his role by elimination? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 09 2013 00:00 JieXian wrote: how would you know his role by elimination? Maybe because i'm inexplicably smart? I don't think you'd understand that concept though, but don't feel bad about it. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Dandel Ion: Toadesstern No lynch: JieXian, iamperfection As a reminder, this game uses instant majority, and you are not required to vote. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 09 2013 00:03 Dandel Ion wrote: Maybe because i'm inexplicably smart? I don't think you'd understand that concept though, but don't feel bad about it. dandel you've been acting really funny this game. Kinda like a comedian or a jester even | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 09 2013 00:17 JieXian wrote: dandel you've been acting really funny this game. Kinda like a comedian or a jester even orly | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 09 2013 00:10 JieXian wrote: you do know that you weren't in the quote right lol Only because iamp thought I said something Clarity acually said. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
dude you so are the lyncher. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Yeah, you're so smart. How'd you figure that out? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 09 2013 00:23 Dandel Ion wrote: Yeah, you're so smart. How'd you figure that out? you're not town, I'm not town, I've got a Yak claim. EASY | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 08 2013 23:07 iamperfection wrote: thought you knew his role by elimination? iamp how would know know that clarity knows his role? dandel, don't get you: On January 09 2013 00:22 Dandel Ion wrote: Only because iamp thought I said something Clarity acually said. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 09 2013 00:31 JieXian wrote: toad's calling himself the jester right there >_> iamp how would know know that clarity knows his role? dandel, don't get you: JieXian you seem to miss that iamp thought he was talking to dandel when he replied to me. And he's saying that because dandel claimed to have figured most of the game out, so that means he should be able to figure out what dieno is. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
What's wrong with you guys. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 09 2013 00:57 Toadesstern wrote: srsly, people ignore me in pm's because I'm looking townish for whatever reason. This is the one game I'm not trying to look townish and everyone thinks I'm town? What's wrong with you guys. so you ARE the jester. Thanks everyone ignore toad now | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 08 2013 23:08 iamperfection wrote: oh thought that was dandel i assumed becasue he is the only one that normally talks sorry mang | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Codename #winwithjester | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Any pressing matters (haha good joke) bring up now. Since I'm not worried about missing the night DL anymore, cuz it won't take me more than 24 hours. ##Vote No-lynch | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 09 2013 01:04 Toadesstern wrote: Don't listen to the PGO i was just gonna say that 2 | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 09 2013 01:04 Toadesstern wrote: Don't listen to the PGO Any role left that I'm not? Didn't think so. Listen to him, he's right. I claim everything. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 09 2013 01:05 Dandel Ion wrote: Any role left that I'm not? Didn't think so. Listen to him, he's right. I claim everything. shush Yak. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 09 2013 01:06 JieXian wrote: sorry for being a noob [..] Yeah we gathered, ty for your cooperation. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Dandel Ion: Toadesstern No lynch: JieXian, iamperfection, Dandel Ion As a reminder, this game uses instant majority, and you are not required to vote. 4 votes required to hammer. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 09 2013 01:08 iamperfection wrote: dandel vote no lynch so dino 1 contribution will be his hammer vote when he comes in I like, did that already. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
##vote no-lynch | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 09 2013 01:12 Clarity_nl wrote: =/ no talking | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 09 2013 01:10 iamperfection wrote: toad just told me he was the jester in pm by accident don't lynch him ever probably. didn't plan on it. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 09 2013 00:03 Dandel Ion wrote: Maybe because i'm inexplicably smart? I don't think you'd understand that concept though, but don't feel bad about it. so mind letting us in on the secret? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 09 2013 01:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Let's respect the rules and be quiet and wait for night post what are we waiting for palmar to tell us no one is lynched? | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 09 2013 01:18 ghost_403 wrote: Please refraining from talking in thread or outside of the thread until the day post goes up. On your honour! It's a night post. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
NIGHT 1 ![[image loading]](http://www.espacioblog.com/myfiles/eka/tomatina-714992.jpg) No one died. Yet. Night 1 has begun! Please send any night actions you might have to both Palmar and myself. Night 1 ends in ~24 hours, at 16:00 GMT (+00:00). Oh yeah, and you can talk or whatever. Go nuts. Like I care. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
gl and do the right thing. Should be back ~4 hours before deadline at the latest. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
toad i thought that you thought dandel was lyncher | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Screw you. I'll shoot you all. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 09 2013 02:03 Toadesstern wrote: how come everyone's quite now. Screw you. I'll shoot you all. oh so you are the pgo | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
noone willing to talk? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
why is nobody doing anything oh well guess i dont ned to feel guilty about not bein here pz out | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 09 2013 08:23 Dandel Ion wrote: hi borrowed friends phone why is nobody doing anything oh well guess i dont ned to feel guilty about not bein here pz out lets see how many lies we can get out of this one post 1. Dandel has no friends because he is mean 2. I read his post so thats doing something 3. He actually does feel guilty because he is scum 4. his typos are forced he is not actually posting from a phone 5. he stole the phone ------------------------------------------------------ and before you ask 4 and 5 are both possible together. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 09 2013 17:47 Palmar wrote: Dieno will be replaced by gonzaw (just need gonzaw to confirm) Can we start pm'ing him yet or no? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 09 2013 23:18 Dandel Ion wrote: I don't think you read the OP bro. ? Did I miss something? :p | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Yeah, reading the OP it seems. iamp was smart enough to figure it out, so you should be too. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
noooooooooo the toad he's toading around | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Seriously | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I'm actually not trolling right now. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
I have enough secret suppliers even if I needed more. Everybody has an invite by now, since they give them out like candy. + Show Spoiler + LoL is more+ Show Spoiler + fun | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 09 2013 23:52 Dandel Ion wrote: Do you even WIFOM? Of course I do. I'm the PGO according to you. I'm the Jester according to IamP. I am somewhat of a townie according to clarity (I only know he disagrees with IamP) Jien lied to me in pm's and tells me he won't trust ME, LOL I can be whatever you want me to be honey. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
According to you, you bleed red, but of course I can dismiss this possibility since you just lie. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
If he doesn't like me, I'm gonna be a sad panda. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
His PMs he sent everybody were lolcakes. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
He wouldn't need to be concerned if he thought about it. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
So, I'm not really concerned, youre right. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 10 2013 00:03 Dandel Ion wrote: iamp is just a carebear. He wouldn't need to be concerned if he thought about it. yeah, because I'm not mafia, right? :p | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Original Message From Dienosore: Dandel is bad, don't listen to him | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 10 2013 00:04 Toadesstern wrote: yeah, because I'm not mafia, right? :p Even if the mafia part is correct, you won't actually shoot me. You'll threaten everybody with shooting to gauge the reactions. Even if you say you shoot me, the chance that I'm shot is exactly the same as if you didn't threaten me. So the threat doesn't matter and can be dismissed easily. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Original Message from iamperfection I'm the jester This is how you do it. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 09 2013 08:30 iamperfection wrote: lets see how many lies we can get out of this one post 1. Dandel has no friends because he is mean 2. I read his post so thats doing something 3. He actually does feel guilty because he is scum 4. his typos are forced he is not actually posting from a phone 5. he stole the phone ------------------------------------------------------ and before you ask 4 and 5 are both possible together. iamp I just noticed this wow that's so scummy | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 10 2013 00:10 JieXian wrote: iamp I just noticed this wow that's so scummy ... No it's not | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 09 2013 23:59 Dandel Ion wrote: Is clarity not here, or does he just not like me. If he doesn't like me, I'm gonna be a sad panda. Can't find your house, wtf man. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Under a bush | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Sry all those PMs and shit confuse me. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 10 2013 00:23 Clarity_nl wrote: I mean, do you believe you still have it all figured out? that's the sadest question I ever saw and I believe the answer is going to be even more sad. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Now he'll love me. And y'all will never know. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 10 2013 00:24 Toadesstern wrote: that's the sadest question I ever saw and I believe the answer is going to be even more sad. Jealous? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Poor salty Toad. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
PM me or you're dead gonzaw. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Day 2 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ugV8A.jpg) Don't worry, I got this... No one died. Six remain, four to lynch. See you in a bit. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Same shit again Vote: No-lynch | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
##Vote: No-Lynch | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Hammer it boys | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 10 2013 01:04 iamperfection wrote: Why do I get the sense everyone is lying to me Because everyone is. Duh. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 10 2013 01:09 gonzaw wrote: I'm here guys Why did you have to be late | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I just woke up ....ehmm...so yeah I'm going back and reread the OP, this game is not making much sense to me Also I have a feeling Dieno being AFK kind of makes it seem I'm scum/jester, which is not cool. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 10 2013 01:12 gonzaw wrote: I just woke up ....ehmm...so yeah I'm going back and reread the OP, this game is not making much sense to me Also I have a feeling Dieno being AFK kind of makes it seem I'm scum/jester, which is not cool. can't be. I'm scum/jester/lyncher according to people. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 10 2013 01:13 Toadesstern wrote: can't be. I'm scum/jester/lyncher according to people. Can't blame people when that's what you've been claiming all the time. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I'm also starting to like dandel less, anyone with me on #Dislike Dandel? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Toad and Jiexian are anti-town roles right? I take it iamp is the remaining one then? Okay that makes the game easier for us I think | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 10 2013 01:26 gonzaw wrote: Okay, let me get this straight: Toad and Jiexian are anti-town roles right? I take it iamp is the remaining one then? Okay that makes the game easier for us I think Figured it out quick did you not? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
It didn't take much effort to be honest, just skim the game. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Now we need to figure out a game-winning plan with that info so town can win brb | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
No lynch: Dandel Ion, clarity_nl, Toadsstern 4 votes required to hammer. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Ya know? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
ok. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Like...we won't lynch any townie this game at all (assuming no townie is acting utterly retarded so far). Lyncher, you better just surrender and help us find scum. Not only that, if scum/PGO kills your "Annoying townie" you'll be a VT, so why don't you assume that'll happen and help us find scum in the meantime, knowing you'll become townie later? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 10 2013 01:56 Dandel Ion wrote: So if you PM me I should assume you're scum? ok. Haven't PMed you yet have I?  | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I wouldn't even be surprised if they insta-hammer you if all 3 of us townies vote for you today. I wouldn't even be surprised if scum shoots you to reduce the playing field. You won't be converted by the yak since you are playing anti-town now and the yak won't win much doing that (WIFOM perhaps), because he doesn't gain a cool town power or make it so town has one less power. It's time for your heel face turn, come on I believe in you. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
##vote no-lynch | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Night 2 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/z2QnA.jpg) Wait, if rock beats scissors... then... oh no. No one died. Again. Night 2 ends in ~24hours, at 17:00 GMT (+00:00). Please make sure all night actions go to both Palmar and myself. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 10 2013 02:32 Toadesstern wrote: gonzaw you're not allowed to post right now... It's hammer time Oh forgot about that :/ | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
zzzzZZZZzzzzZZZ | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Germany16350 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
If I don't get a PM or active participation from the townie out of Jiexian/Toad/iamp (if, in a remote chance on of them is town), which means one of Clarity/Dandel is scum/jester/lyncher, and we lose the game because of that I'll feel no guilt at all for losing this game and will place the blame entirely on you! Anyways no pressure | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 10 2013 02:45 gonzaw wrote: If any townie wants to win this game plz PM me. If I don't get a PM or active participation from the townie out of Jiexian/Toad/iamp (if, in a remote chance on of them is town), which means one of Clarity/Dandel is scum/jester/lyncher, and we lose the game because of that I'll feel no guilt at all for losing this game and will place the blame entirely on you! Anyways no pressure You are aware you just openly claimed scum after Toad already outed that you claimed scum to him? Yes? OKay then. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Town can't win this game with night actions alone. I am town I think I know how to win this game So everybody please claim to me so I can win this game for town, or make a trusty 100% town circle and we can all win the game together ...damn, I always wanted to ask for a massclaim to me via PM! It feels good...now I know why Palmar does it all the time. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Anyways I need iamp to get in touch with me (*wink*) Again, refer to the previous disclaimer that if any of the "anti-town guys" is actually town I'm willing to blame a town loss on him. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:41 iamperfection wrote: actually you can send any message you want to me but i will not be contacting anyone i do everything in the open. Come to me if you feel it will help your cause for you gonzaw | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
If you are anti-town then great fake-claim so we can figure you out easier If you are town I'll hate you for it though, but you being town and doing something stupid like that is unlikely. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Some stuff gets "hidden" and an observer or the host, or even the players themselves when the game ends don't really understand much. This happens in other PM games as well, I think it happened in Liar Game If the Mafia System thing ever makes it big in OMGUS I'll try to make that happen (although that'll take like 2 years lol) | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
He doesn't care that his win cond might change. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
I'm in the process of moving right now, so I've been rather tied up. Going to catch up right now | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 10 2013 07:58 Dienosore wrote: Holy crap guys im terribly sorry. I'm in the process of moving right now, so I've been rather tied up. Going to catch up right now you have been replaced sorry about that | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 10 2013 07:46 iamperfection wrote: guys you shouldnt be telling gonzaw your role he is the yak. He doesn't care that his win cond might change. Okay seems I'm the yak then. Okay everybody, if anybody wants me to convert you to joint-win PM me since I'm the yak now. Jester PM me immediately and claim to me so I know not to convert/kill you so we can joint win, okay? Glad we are on the same page. The massclaim is still valid if I'm yak for the reasons above. Dande you think I'm yak as well so follow the above advice. PM me your role and I'll let you into my Yakuzzi | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
It was it wasn't it? I killed the game didn't I? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On January 10 2013 02:44 Toadesstern wrote: live update to Toad's mighty "People who have claimed Yak to me in PM" - counter: 3 number of people that have reported to me of hearing different claims from toad 4 | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Day 3 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6yF7B.jpg) Say that to my face, you piece of shit. No one died. Six remain, four to lynch. Once more, with gusto! | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
## vote no lynch | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Night 3 ![[image loading]](http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/i/2011/262/e/b/mexican_standoff_by_thedevlyn-d4ad1s6.jpg) On the flip side, pie is delicious. Okay, let's do this thing. No lynch. Surprise, surprise. Night 3 ends in ~24hours, at 17:00 GMT (+00:00). Please make sure all night actions go to both Palmar and myself. | ||
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On January 08 2013 00:24 ghost_403 wrote: Also, there is a way that everyone in the game can win at the same time. Never gonna happen, but if it does, I'll be damn impressed. Think he was telling the truth? | ||
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On January 08 2013 00:45 ghost_403 wrote: And spoil the fun! I think not. e: turns out the shrink has to die for this to happen. Sorry, shrink. ee: and the doc. missed that the first four times. It's stupidly complicated. | ||
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iamperfection
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so that doesn't mean its impossible . | ||
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Day 4 ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DXNWY2dX7Wo/SSeakMWtWbI/AAAAAAAABw4/UENSL7oseos/s400/reservoir-dogs-mexican-standoff.jpg) Seriously, one day I'll shoot you you son of a bitch No one died because that's apparently how you guys play mafia. | ||
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##Vote: Gonzaw Search your hearts. You know it's the only way. Or one of the onliest ways, at least. | ||
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On January 12 2013 02:20 Toadesstern wrote: ##vote no-lynch BM. ##unvote ##Vote: Toadesstern | ||
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##Vote: gonzaw | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: No-Lynch | ||
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On January 12 2013 02:25 iamperfection wrote: I could get behind a toad lynch Let's do it then ##Vote: Toad I mean, either lyncher/jester/yak. If he's jester at least this game will be over, if he's lyncher sorry dude | ||
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You guys are no fun Someone else hammer, I'd like it if the deadline was a little bit later. | ||
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On January 12 2013 02:31 gonzaw wrote: ##Unvote:Toad You guys are no fun Someone else hammer, I'd like it if the deadline was a little bit later. So anti town what is this crap | ||
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Holy crap | ||
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gonzaw
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Yeah, not wanting to hammer the NL quickly; I'm like the scummiest guy in the internet. | ||
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Night 4 ![[image loading]](http://www.unitrends.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/torches-and-pitchforks.jpg) We're not even sure what we're doing here No one was lynched in hippieville Day in about 24 hours, around 20:00 GMT (+00:00) Send your night actions to both Ghost and myself. | ||
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I practically FEEL the tension. | ||
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On January 12 2013 16:09 Clarity_nl wrote: I figured it out you guys lynch all liars? | ||
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Day 5 ![[image loading]](http://xaxor.com/images/other/11119953/idiots_with_guns_12.jpg) Holy shit something actually happened JieXian the Doctor has been Killed | ||
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Dandel Ion
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hm | ||
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iamperfection
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Now what? | ||
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Iceland22633 Posts
On January 13 2013 05:41 Clarity_nl wrote: I kinda wanna go to bed can we get a nightpost? Pretty sure deadline was 30 min ago Because of the varying deadline we cannot guarantee all posts will be exactly on time, I was for example putting my daughter to bed at the time the day post should have gone up | ||
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On January 13 2013 05:44 iamperfection wrote: Hrmmmm Now what? dunno. didn't expect something to happen. | ||
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On January 13 2013 05:45 Clarity_nl wrote: Now we don't lynch because we can't kill scum. Ain't it swell? what if jie was the lyncher's target and we actually have 3 townies? WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LYNCH!!!! SOMETHING COULD HAPPEN HOLY BALLS | ||
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On January 13 2013 05:47 Dandel Ion wrote: what if jie was the lyncher's target and we actually have 3 townies? WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LYNCH!!!! SOMETHING COULD HAPPEN HOLY BALLS Oh shit that's true. Lyncher should probably claim if this is the case, actually. | ||
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vote-NL | ||
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You can't work together with something like that. | ||
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On January 13 2013 05:54 Dandel Ion wrote: Did you ever talk to Toad? You can't work together with something like that. I talk to everybody. | ||
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gonzaw
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so.....how you guys doing? | ||
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Night all! | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 14 2013 00:11 Clarity_nl wrote: I am the lyncher, my target was jiexian so I am now town aligned. Town has a majority this cycle. Discuss. Oh well that answers my question lynch iamp then? | ||
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Shrink and VT bros, looking for PGO to do the good work together. Claim in PM pl0x. Or in thread, also okay. | ||
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gonzaw
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Im pgo yeah. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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gonzo you think lynching iamp is better? I kinda think he's jester tho. but I have been wrong before. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 14 2013 00:11 Clarity_nl wrote: I am the lyncher, my target was jiexian so I am now town aligned. Town has a majority this cycle. Discuss. lies | ||
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Clarity_nl
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Interesting. Which part. The fact that I am the lyncher or the fact that jiexian was my target? | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 14 2013 00:54 Clarity_nl wrote: Interesting. Which part. The fact that I am the lyncher or the fact that jiexian was my target? both and want me to show some pm's you wrote me? | ||
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Original Message From Clarity_nl: It's hard, you know. I think regardless you are anti-town. Here's an interesting thought to chew on, if you are scum and you have a partner you could win right now. So since you haven't done that it is unlikely. those 3 pms makes no sense if he's the lyncher. | ||
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What role would make more sense for me in your eyes toad? | ||
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I guess the jester has no need to figure things out though, which is where you failed. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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tell me why clarity's lying, tell me why I'm lying. | ||
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iamp however.... if he's pgo he played pretty weirdly. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 14 2013 01:06 Clarity_nl wrote: You can't tell what role I am at this point? If you think you know I'm not the lyncher, and you know your own role then you should have been able to make an estimated guess. I guess the jester has no need to figure things out though, which is where you failed. oh I know your role, ever since n1. I can't tell you because I don'T want to tell you and more importantly I don't want to explain :p | ||
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Either jester, or yak strawmanning Toad. If he's yak though, he should stop a jester lynch today, since he won't be able to win off it. Weird play either way. | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:10 Clarity_nl wrote: What happened to "can't tell" nothing, see: On January 14 2013 01:08 Toadesstern wrote: oh I know your role, ever since n1. I can't tell you because I don'T want to tell you and more importantly I don't want to explain :p and I can't believe how you guys aren't able to figure out a single role correctly... | ||
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The smarter thing as jester would also be to appear like you're NOT trying to get lynched, after all. soooo lynch iamp? agree/agree? | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote: disagree you rather get lynched yourself? | ||
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##Vote: iamperfection | ||
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Toadesstern
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try it | ||
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He also knows gonzaw is PGO. let's just lynch iamp | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:18 Toadesstern wrote: I'm so going to yell at you postgame if you really ruin my win like this Dandel i don't care about your win. i care about mine. | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:18 Dandel Ion wrote: i don't care about your win. i care about mine. well then get the fuck off iamP | ||
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i have no reason to, and you have not given me any. | ||
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You're making me nervous | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:24 Toadesstern wrote: can you do me a favor and unvote Dandel? You're making me nervous No. Give me a reason to. | ||
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Toadesstern
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You're losing the game right now. Reason enough? | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On January 14 2013 01:25 Toadesstern wrote: You're losing the game right now. Reason enough? No. No reasons, no explanations, I expect you can do better. | ||
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So why don't you have any better argument than "you lose me the game"? I know that I do, and it's not my concern. | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:27 Toadesstern wrote: Dandel, if you're the shrink tell me your targets n1, n2 and n3 clarity clarity Jie | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:28 Clarity_nl wrote: oh, jie n3, interesting. ya I figured since I told you I'd keep shrinking you, you wouldn't even try  | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:29 Toadesstern wrote: good to know, see you in 48 hours. okay bye. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Let's end it. | ||
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gonzaw
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yeah toad was too straightfirwadr and bullsgiting to be real yak immediately claikng antitown is bettr for jester in yhs setup i believe. The yak WILL know you are jedter which is huge advantage for both that makes less sense if toad is yak iol vote iamp, so you guys agree with this? This will ens the game soclaeiy agreexwith ir as wel sorry fir grannar im posring fast | ||
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GO BIG OR GO HOME | ||
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gonzaw
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makung that vote correvtly was harder than i thiught lol | ||
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yak'ed clarity n2. shot gonzaw n3. shot JieXiann n4 btw | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:45 Clarity_nl wrote: Eh.... do it. yolo | ||
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Toadesstern
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I tried everything I could to help you but you just can't figure out a single's guy role in a 5 person game, it's hilarious. | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:46 Toadesstern wrote: this is on you Dandel and Gonzaw... I tried everything I could to help you but you just can't figure out a single's guy role in a 5 person game, it's hilarious. UNVOTE RIGHT NAO BEFORE IAMP GET'S IN THE THREAD | ||
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gonzaw
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You converted clarity in the end....and jiexian still helpedbyou after you converted someone.else for some reqson | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:49 gonzaw wrote: Then how.come you+claruty arent hammering thebjester right now? You converted clarity in the end....and jiexian still helpedbyou after you converted someone.else for some reqson go fucking read the thread dude. Clarity was shrinked n2 | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:54 Toadesstern wrote: how likely is it that you no-lynch after I convince you to not lynch iamP? :p not very. | ||
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just in case gonzaw's vote won't count due to the missing # | ||
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Sry Jie, I lied to you a lot. To the other people, I lied a bit less. | ||
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I got EVERYONE to believe I was medic for a while. Too many cycles, so hard to win | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:59 Clarity_nl wrote: Fuck I had such a good start. Got shrinked and medic'd night one and prevented myself from being turned scum. I got EVERYONE to believe I was medic for a while. Too many cycles, so hard to win I didn't think you're the medic. I knew jieXiann was medic all along. He helped me after all | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:59 Toadesstern wrote: I didn't even lie once except for one very specific thing (that I could yak multiple people)... just out of curiosity, what did you think I was lying about dandel? I thought you were lyncher/jester, switching claims with iamp. So iamp would do all the yak stuff and you claim it. So that we lynch you, instead of him and you both win. | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:00 Toadesstern wrote: I didn't think you're the medic. I knew jieXiann was medic all along. He helped me after all Then why did he believe me over you during night one, or did he protect you n1? | ||
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Apparantly clarity wasn't even turned VT. Also cool. Well, lost the 50/50 coinflip. shit happens. | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:03 gonzaw wrote: Lol clarity lying lost the game for evetbody not everybody | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:02 gonzaw wrote: Well evey body bullshitted me and i suck in this kind of games (read age of empire mafia) so i kind of saw his coming I was pretty honest to you IIRC. I told you to not convert me (which was my true wish) and didn't claim anything afaik. | ||
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I got him to turn away from toad though, so eh.... This game was so hard for me | ||
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gonzaw
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I even helped.you with spanish | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Then why did he believe me over you during night one, or did he protect you n1? oh let me reprhrase: I knew it once n1 was over. I was PRETTY certain you'd forward my pm's to people so I posted this: I'm the fucking Yak. to make sure the shrink knows I'm not going to convert you.I pm'ed you, iamP and Dandel the same thing to see what's going to happen. I said I'm only lying 33% because I was really targeting one of you and I sure as hell shot you. I did not convert someone. So here's the plan. I don't know wether you want to help me but I'm pretty sure a medi would not risk targeting someone else and instead just targets himself. So I'll be shooting someone who's not you and I'll be converting someone who's not you. If you are the medic you protect me I'll survive and I'll convert you the next time leading to a 3mafia vs 3 other people scenario. Shot gonzaw n3 on purpose because I thought he's the PGO and wanted to find the PGO before I kill people. Again, only thing I had to do to win this is not shoot the fucking lynchers target... it's hilarious. | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Claiming I got turned vt was my best chance at getting gonzaw lynched, I just had to convince dandel that gonzaw was scum but I couldn't. I got him to turn away from toad though, so eh.... This game was so hard for me It honestly didn't matter for you which of toad/iamp we lynch. Dunno why you were so intent on iamp. I originally-originally wanted to lynch toad anyways. | ||
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HOLY CRAP CLARITY. WHAT ARE YOU DOING | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:06 Toadesstern wrote: wait wait wait. I didn't shoot the lyncher's target. HOLY CRAP CLARITY. WHAT ARE YOU DOING dunno but it's kinda funny haha | ||
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This is why I agreed to your crappy plan of converting someone else first and then converting me (which you couldnt do) WHILE telling dandel that I would protect someone else and win the game cause you would die. | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:05 Clarity_nl wrote: I wonder if this setup is improved by adding one more town role so that a no lynch isnt forced, giving scum infinite time to figure stuff out. the 5 player situation is already crucial like you just saw... | ||
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Then we lost | ||
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If not then a no-lynch happens eventually. This was the only situation where I got screwed over but I had to take the chance. | ||
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Toadesstern
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Why did you claim to be a VT when you aren't clarity... | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Well at least i lost to only 1 guy instead of 3 or something | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:08 Clarity_nl wrote: In order to make a lynch happen this cycle I had to claim that I turned town. If I try to lynch gonzaw and convince dandel to join me, then I instantly win if gonzaw was jester, or might still win if the scum believes my claim and hammered the gonzaw lynch. If not then a no-lynch happens eventually. This was the only situation where I got screwed over but I had to take the chance. there was no way i was gonna lynch gonzaw, but i guess you couldn't have known that... meh. Still, funny game, if a bit boring in the middle part | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Toad is mad because I took a chance while playing to my wincondition? I had to get gonzaw lynched, I knew there was a really big chance he was pgo so he wasn't gonna get nightkilled. THIS WAS MY ONLY CHANCE WHY YOU RAGIN AT ME because I had this won if everyone would have played accordingly to their wincons given knowledge of roles. So it's just that people didn't know what was going on and lynched randomly... which is frustrating. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:12 Toadesstern wrote: because I had this won if everyone would have played accordingly to their wincons given knowledge of roles. So it's just that people didn't know what was going on and lynched randomly... which is frustrating. I knew what was going on, you can ask palmar, I sent him the list of every role during n1 or n2 (don't remember) I played to my wincon all the way | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:12 Toadesstern wrote: because I had this won if everyone would have played accordingly to their wincons given knowledge of roles. So it's just that people didn't know what was going on and lynched randomly... which is frustrating. I played to my wincon. Sadly, shrink wincon is pretty much dependant on winning with town. Makes it hard. Jie played most anti-wincon imo. proteced you converting SOMEBODY ELSE, then STILL protected you shooting the PGO. Like, wat. I also stopped you convert, so I'm actually good. Even tho it was for wrong reasons. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:13 Clarity_nl wrote: I knew what was going on, you can ask palmar, I sent him the list of every role during n1 or n2 (don't remember) I played to my wincon all the way you had me down as mafia? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:15 syllogism wrote: With instant majority lynch you have to unvote immediately in lylo after receiving new, possibly meaningful information, I don't understand why you would just leave your votes lying around like that. You were both here. What new information? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:15 gonzaw wrote: Well clarity that "conspiracy thwory" i sent you would have tipped you at least wouldnt it? Yeah, you were probably the pgo. I still had to lynch you though so I ignored it. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
Neither toad nor I realised that yak could only convert once >_> And for a moment I thought Gonzaw was the shrink and I messed everything up. What happened was Toad told me that he'd convert me and shoot someone so if I didn't protect him in hopes of letting the pgo kill him, I'd still be a lone Mafia. I'm so mad Gonzaw were you telling the truth when you told me you like that little? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Ya | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Toad claiming mafia and his night actions? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:17 syllogism wrote: Toad claiming mafia and his night actions? I knew that before. He PM'd them to me. As I said, I thought he worked with iamp as the yak, iamp did the actions, toad claimed them. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:15 Dandel Ion wrote: I played to my wincon. Sadly, shrink wincon is pretty much dependant on winning with town. Makes it hard. Jie played most anti-wincon imo. proteced you converting SOMEBODY ELSE, then STILL protected you shooting the PGO. Like, wat. I also stopped you convert, so I'm actually good. Even tho it was for wrong reasons. well he didn't know I can only convert once a game. And I actually didn't know either or I would have converted him n2 instead of clarity... It was like being hit by a truck when Palmar told me I can't Yak anymore The point is: Noone was able to win this with knowledge of what was going on anymore besides me and the jester won because town fucked up royally | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:18 Dandel Ion wrote: I knew that before. He PM'd them to me. As I said, I thought he worked with iamp as the yak, iamp did the actions, toad claimed them. So why not lynch toad then? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:18 Toadesstern wrote: well he didn't know I can only convert once a game. And I actually didn't know either or I would have converted him n2 instead of clarity... It was like being hit by a truck when Palmar told me I can't Yak anymore The point is: Noone was able to win this with knowledge of what was going on anymore besides me and the jester won because town fucked up royally If you're not even smart enough to read the OP, then don't blame town for your loss :O | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:18 Toadesstern wrote: well he didn't know I can only convert once a game. And I actually didn't know either or I would have converted him n2 instead of clarity... It was like being hit by a truck when Palmar told me I can't Yak anymore The point is: Noone was able to win this with knowledge of what was going on anymore besides me and the jester won because town fucked up royally Town fucks up or they don't. Isn't that every mafia game in existence? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:17 syllogism wrote: Toad claiming mafia and his night actions? it wasn't actually new. I already claimed that days ago in pm's to him and he kept on saying "lol you're lying, come back to me when you tell the truth and we might talk. It's just your usual hypno-Toad trying to make you the most important person in the game when you're not".... | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:16 JieXian wrote: iamp what was your gameplan? Not to pm much? Did you talk a lot of anybody at all? gg Neither toad nor I realised that yak could only convert once >_> I'm so mad Wut i figured it out immediately by reading the op when he pmed me that lol Gonzaw were you telling the truth when you told me you like that little? I figured it out immediately as soon as he sent mevthe pm by reading the op lol | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Because I assumed he lied. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:19 gonzaw wrote: I figured it out immediately as soon as he sent mevthe pm by reading the op lol ? don't get you | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
What, you thought he was the jester? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:19 Clarity_nl wrote: Town fucks up or they don't. Isn't that every mafia game in existence? yeah, that's my point. If town had tried to figure out people's roles they would have realized they already lost the game and I thought it would be going into forced night because with 5 people alive: 2 people who want to lynch mafia 1 guy who wants to lynch jester 1 guy who wants to lynch pgo 1 guy who wants to NL a lynch should just not have happened... | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:18 Dandel Ion wrote: I knew that before. He PM'd them to me. As I said, I thought he worked with iamp as the yak, iamp did the actions, toad claimed them. This there was also the chance he was bullsgitting as jester | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
The "yak can only convert once" thing | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:22 gonzaw wrote: This there was also the chance he was bullsgitting as jester No, the nightactions checked out, so I was really thinking they worked together. And that toad claimed scum in the end to change our minds into lynching him instead. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:22 gonzaw wrote: This there was also the chance he was bullsgitting as jester Ya that makes sense. Did iamp just basically lurk and win or does he talk a lot to some people? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:24 JieXian wrote: Ya that makes sense. Did iamp just basically lurk and won or does he talk a lot to some people? yeah pretty much | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
gg guys, I really liked the setup, like I said though maybe add a 4th town role to not force a no-lynch till the end of time? Dunno. Thanks for the game Palmar and co-host(s)! What was this game like for obs? Did you get to know what the night actions were? Back later! | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:25 Clarity_nl wrote: What was this game like for obs? Probably real boring, lol | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:24 syllogism wrote: I don't understand, you thought it was two mafia working together? Or what? Why would the lynch order matter I don't feel like explaining for the 10th time, sorry. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:24 syllogism wrote: I don't understand, you thought it was two mafia working together? Or what? Why would the lynch order matter Iamp yak toad jester. As soon as toad claims antitown in thread iamp contacts him and says hes yak then iamp does every action and toad is his proxy tyat way just in case something goes wrong iamp is "safe" somehow also toad could convince ahrink and medic to wastej their abilities on him(jester) while iamp is fre to jill anybody he wants | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:27 Dandel Ion wrote: I don't feel like explaining for the 10th time, sorry. Fine, but I'll just assume there is no explanation then | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:28 gonzaw wrote: Iamp yak toad jester. As soon as toad claims antitown in thread iamp contacts him and says hes yak then iamp does every action and toad is his proxy tyat way just in case something goes wrong iamp is "safe" somehow also toad could convince ahrink and medic to wastej their abilities on him(jester) while iamp is fre to jill anybody he wants that's A LOT of ifs and it makes no sense. Never occured to you that I knew I already won if everyone plays to their wincon (with full information, which wasn't given, I know) and I just had to make sure everyone gets full knowledge to make everyone realize what's going on? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:28 syllogism wrote: Fine, but I'll just assume there is no explanation then ... Assume what you want... Yeah I lost, but you don't even understand why. Real classy to come in and call people stupid just cause you can. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:28 gonzaw wrote: Iamp yak toad jester. As soon as toad claims antitown in thread iamp contacts him and says hes yak then iamp does every action and toad is his proxy tyat way just in case something goes wrong iamp is "safe" somehow also toad could convince ahrink and medic to wastej their abilities on him(jester) while iamp is fre to jill anybody he wants Why would mafia want to lynch jester? Or does this scenario assume iamp yakked toad the jester? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:30 Toadesstern wrote: that's A LOT of ifs and it makes no sense. Never occured to you that I knew I already won if everyone plays to their wincon (with full information, which wasn't given, I know) and I just had to make sure everyone gets full knowledge to make everyone realize what's going on? I have cero information and have no idea what you know or not | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:31 syllogism wrote: Why would mafia want to lynch jester? Or does this scenario assume iamp yakked toad the jester? In lylo jester yak joint win | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote: ... Assume what you want... Yeah I lost, but you don't even understand why. Real classy to come in and call people stupid just cause you can. I didn't call anyone stupid. I just wanted to know why you didn't unvote in instant majority lynch lylo when you pretty much knew you were voting for either jester or mafia, which antagonized you for some reason | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
There really was no reason to assume I'm the jester. Should have just told everyone I'm going to shoot JieXiann prior to deadline instead of just iamP but with my luck this game I was too scared to actually hit the lynchers target to do that... Probably still would not have been enough to make people realize I'm mafia... | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Oh I see, makes more sense now. Should still have unvoted though | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:04 gonzaw wrote: Hope you are happy jiexian I even helped.you with spanish I thought I had everything set for the win but then I didn't read the rules =( | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
lylo was like 2 turns away. The only way for me to win was PGO vs Mafia vs Jester Jester & Lyncher count towards "town" in mafias wincon | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:34 gonzaw wrote: Can we all just blame the loss on jiexian? Sure. And on Clarity. And on myself. And of course also on you and toad. Not on iamp, he won. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Did you get my pm right before the game ended? Okay, I need you to read this and not react yet in the thread since I haven't thought it through. I am the lyncher, my target is gonzaw. You can't get lynched this cycle and you can kill dandel, then no lynch again and you can kill iamp (jester) then we lynch gonzaw and we win together. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:34 gonzaw wrote: Can we all just blame the loss on jiexian? I don't think he played bad actually. The only thing he did wrong was not realize that I can only yak once. And even without that it would have turned out the same way. I had gonzaw down as PGO like 95% and only shot him on n3 to make it a 100% call. So even had he not protected me I'd still have shot him because medic can't protect himself... | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:36 Toadesstern wrote: I don't think he played bad actually. The only thing he did wrong was not realize that I can only yak once. And even without that it would have turned out the same way. I had gonzaw down as PGO like 95% and only shot him on n3 to make it a 100% call. So even had he not protected me I'd still have shot him because medic can't protect himself... Does not compute. The second sentence invalidates the first. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:34 Toadesstern wrote: lylo was like 2 turns away. The only way for me to win was PGO vs Mafia vs Jester Jester & Lyncher count towards "town" in mafias wincon convince the medic to protect you and dind the pgo and you win wth that. It dowsnt "not make sense" convince the medic to "win" with you, kill him, findbthe pgo and you 100% win with that plan i mentionwd Fucking phone | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
The end was YOLO, but sometimes you just gotta YOLO. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Nah toad you also coulda won (in this setup) with Mafia + lyncher + pgo (since pgo is lyncher target) Did you get my pm right before the game ended? yeah I could have. But there's no way to figure out the lynchers target by hard facts. So that would have been an incredible betting game. Joining forces with the Jester was possible no matter what and as already said, a mathematically won game... No I didn't get that pm in time. Wouldn't have mattered though, because it was on gonzaw and Dandel to unvote the jester and not on you. Also I don't think I would have trusted you. Again no way to confirm your target and if I bring you into lylo you could just as well be lying and it's PGO + VT vs mafia whereas lylo with jester is a win for me and jester, so no reason for him to stab me in the back either. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:28 gonzaw wrote: Iamp yak toad jester. As soon as toad claims antitown in thread iamp contacts him and says hes yak then iamp does every action and toad is his proxy tyat way just in case something goes wrong iamp is "safe" somehow also toad could convince ahrink and medic to wastej their abilities on him(jester) while iamp is fre to jill anybody he wants Don't know why toad was so pissed because I assume Dandel and gonsaw are buddying and this theory makes sense I WAN A REGAME T_T I don't mind being outplayed but all this happened because I was too stupid to remember the rules. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:39 Dandel Ion wrote: Again, I stopped the conversion and didn't kill myself uselessly on the PGO night 1 (which I was really afraid of), so I'm okay with my own play. The end was YOLO, but sometimes you just gotta YOLO. I called gonzaw's "masterplan" townie to get you to disagree with me, then I mentioned it again and expected you to push back harder and maybe get you to think gonzaw is scum but then YOU AGREED WITH ME. Why do people only agree with me when I don't want them to. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote: I called gonzaw's "masterplan" townie to get you to disagree with me, then I mentioned it again and expected you to push back harder and maybe get you to think gonzaw is scum but then YOU AGREED WITH ME. Why do people only agree with me when I don't want them to. I had my reasons gonzaw was totes town. btw, I don't think I'll play such a format again, I'd just be tempted to troll people all day, like I did with Jie. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
most importan one: Just to make this clear for postgame (yes I'm using you as a blog-dumpster ): I did not intend to be an ass towards anyone, especially not towards JieXiann but I have to to somehow be able to win this I really did not know that I can only convert one person per game and have to make JieXiann think that he'll be shrinked tomorrow to make sure he protects me although I can't help him to win anymore Oh and I've got to shoot some asses and not hit the PGO... that was after I realized I didn't read the OP either. So sorry for that one but had to play to my wincon | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:39 Toadesstern wrote: yeah I could have. But there's no way to figure out the lynchers target by hard facts. So that would have been an incredible betting game. Joining forces with the Jester was possible no matter what and as already said, a mathematically won game... No I didn't get that pm in time. Wouldn't have mattered though, because it was on gonzaw and Dandel to unvote the jester and not on you. Also I don't think I would have trusted you. Again no way to confirm your target and if I bring you into lylo you could just as well be lying and it's PGO + VT vs mafia whereas lylo with jester is a win for me and jester, so no reason for him to stab me in the back either. That's a fair point, but again my only chance at winning since the gonzaw lynch wasnt happening. Were you actually convinced that I wasn't the lyncher when I claimed in thread? | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:37 marvellosity wrote: Does not compute. The second sentence invalidates the first. Yes I played bad. Not satisfied. At all. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:42 Clarity_nl wrote: That's a fair point, but again my only chance at winning since the gonzaw lynch wasnt happening. Were you actually convinced that I wasn't the lyncher when I claimed in thread? I actually thought you're the Shrink who shrinked himself because I'm pretty sure I've got a pm telling me that's possible, unlike the medic. I just can't it. So I really didn't think the shrink would target anyone besides himself. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:44 gonzaw wrote: Toad when you pmed me did you know you could convert once at that point? yes | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Toad told me he (in my theory iamp) conv'd you n2 and I shrunk it, so I just kept shrinking you because if it ain't broken, no need to fix it. Could also have done nothing instead. No matter. On January 14 2013 02:45 Toadesstern wrote: I actually thought you're the Shrink who shrinked himself because I'm pretty sure I've got a pm telling me that's possible, unlike the medic. I just can't it. So I really didn't think the shrink would target anyone besides himself. I shrunk Clarity every night | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote: I had my reasons gonzaw was totes town. btw, I don't think I'll play such a format again, I'd just be tempted to troll people all day, like I did with Jie. Ya.. after the first few trolls I had you as 3rd Party I ended up trolling too and it gets really boring after sometime because we knew nobody believed each other >_> I had no idea who was the shrink | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I dunno what I could have done differently/better this game | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Again, the only thing I was trying to do this game was giving you guys information on what's happening because I knew I had this one as long as everyone does the right call. And yeah I'm not blaiming anything on Clarity, it was the only way for him to win. Surely a 1% winchance is better than a 0% winchance. It's just horrible that I lost because of this REALLY bad set-up that despite my best efforts town wasn't able to figure out peoples roles AND you pulling that stunt out of nowhere to get a chance at winning. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:47 JieXian wrote: Ya.. after the first few trolls I had you as 3rd Party I ended up trolling too and it gets really boring after sometime because we knew nobody believed each other >_> I had no idea who was the shrink Well the plan WAS not letting anybody know I was the shrink (except i told clarity when i thought he was medic), so I guess that worked out, haha | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:47 JieXian wrote: Ya.. after the first few trolls I had you as 3rd Party I ended up trolling too and it gets really boring after sometime because we knew nobody believed each other >_> I had no idea who was the shrink Yeah I actually made a mistake at some point telling you that dandel is the shrink, I immediately told dandel I screwed up and that when you ask he should tell you he fooled me into thinking he's the shrink. That was like the only way to get you both on me n1 <3 | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:48 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah I actually made a mistake at some point telling you that dandel is the shrink, I immediately told dandel I screwed up and that when you ask he should tell you he fooled me into thinking he's the shrink. That was like the only way to get you both on me n1 <3 why was this even your goal? You'd have had a better chance to win if you got converted. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:46 Clarity_nl wrote: So you thought dandel was the lyncher, with his target being iamp? I thought dandel was the lyncher with his target being gonzaw. I was like "SHITSHITSHIT I REALLY HIT THE FUCKING LYNCHERS TARGET" once shit was going to happen and realized I was wrong on my shrink-read on you. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:48 Dandel Ion wrote: Well the plan WAS not letting anybody know I was the shrink (except i told clarity when i thought he was medic), so I guess that worked out, haha It worked and it left me no choice but to partner with the yak which should have gone well =( | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:50 Dandel Ion wrote: why was this even your goal? You'd have had a better chance to win if you got converted. I don't think there was a way for me to get converted without toad dying. Him getting protected by jiex and converting me was something I did not anticipate, nor could I have. The next best thing is to make sure I look like town and don't die to nightkills, and I accomplished both | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:48 gonzaw wrote: I tried going on with it tohe you to claim who the "medic" was or maybe contradict yourelf and be outted as jester well as I just said...pretty much everything I told people in pm's about what I did at nights was true. And people kept telling me I'm a liar.... | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:51 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't think there was a way for me to get converted without toad dying. Him getting protected by jiex and converting me was something I did not anticipate, nor could I have. The next best thing is to make sure I look like town and don't die to nightkills, and I accomplished both hm, fair enough | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:52 gonzaw wrote: Did you know i was pgo jiexian? I told him d2, so yeah he did | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:48 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah I actually made a mistake at some point telling you that dandel is the shrink, I immediately told dandel I screwed up and that when you ask he should tell you he fooled me into thinking he's the shrink. That was like the only way to get you both on me n1 <3 ya when I told dandel that you told me he was the shrink he went on trolling It worked. But I didn't really believe you (clairty) in the first place after knowing that you lied N1 =( | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:52 Toadesstern wrote: well as I just said...pretty much everything I told people in pm's about what I did at nights was true. And people kept telling me I'm a liar.... I only called you a liar so that you'd think I was town, lol :D I have a feeling I'd be much better at irl mafia compared to forum mafia, judging by this game | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:52 Toadesstern wrote: well as I just said...pretty much everything I told people in pm's about what I did at nights was true. And people kept telling me I'm a liar.... You claimed antitown what did you expect? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
So i wasnt.even playing at the time and evetbody knew my role. Cool | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I don't know? People realizing there isn't a need to play like a not-Yak for the Yak when the game is already over? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:53 JieXian wrote: ya when I told dandel that you told me he was the shrink he went on trolling It worked. But I didn't really believe you (clairty) in the first place after knowing that you lied N1 =( Fair enough, I thought that it would be a real townie thing to do, making sure the medic didn't team up with the yak. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:52 gonzaw wrote: Did you know i was pgo jiexian? I thought you were PGO after you told me about your plan about having my target visit the PGO. Like how the hell do you know who's the PGO if you weren't the PGO. But I was supposed to be playing on Toad's side so I acted dumb :D But then toad came along and told me that you slipped shrink and when I asked him for confirmation he didn't tell me why >_> | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:55 Toadesstern wrote: I don't know? People realizing there isn't a need to play like a not-Yak for the Yak when the game is already over? This is the exact angle I took with jiexian during n1. "eh, whatever, can't get lynched anyway so yeah, I'm yak. But idc you're not doc anyway" :D:D | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:54 gonzaw wrote: So i wasnt.even playing at the time and evetbody knew my role. Cool actually wait that's wrong. I told him the first half-cycle after you replaced in. So that makes it n2? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:57 gonzaw wrote: So what are he chances for town to win this game? Not bad, I'd think. yak dies pretty easily. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:56 Clarity_nl wrote: This is the exact angle I took with jiexian during n1. "eh, whatever, can't get lynched anyway so yeah, I'm yak. But idc you're not doc anyway" :D:D I was looking for someone who gave a damn. That line was good but the things you said later on were stupid in hindsight. Toad was much more real with his yak hinting. Actually protecting you was confirmation to toad that I was medic so that ended up well on my side. Or should have. If only I had reread the rules about yak #$)(*&^%$##%@#& | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:57 gonzaw wrote: So what are he chances for town to win this game? I got really lucky n1 that I figured out everyone's role (besides screwing up lyncher <-> shrink). Without that it's fairly decent. You've got a 1 in 3 chance to lynch into jester / lynchers target if you lynch d1 (assuming it'l work and as we just saw it does when people don't know what's going on...). I've got a 1 in 5 chance to hit the PGO at night which makes town win. I've got a 1 in 5 chance to convert the shrinked guy which is PRETTY much gg unless mafia has perfect knowledge of roles. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:59 Dandel Ion wrote: Not bad, I'd think. yak dies pretty easily. If I knew who was the shrink I could have betrayed toad but I had no idea great job dandel =( | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:59 Dandel Ion wrote: Not bad, I'd think. yak dies pretty easily. Even when siding with mesic? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:00 JieXian wrote: If I knew who was the shrink I could have betrayed toad but I had no idea great job dandel =( If you read the OP, you could also have | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:00 Toadesstern wrote: I got really lucky n1 that I figured out everyone's role (besides screwing up lyncher <-> shrink). Without that it's fairly decent. You've got a 1 in 3 chance to lynch into jester / lynchers target if you lynch d1 (assuming it'l work and as we just saw it does when people don't know what's going on...). I've got a 1 in 5 chance to hit the PGO at night which makes town win. I've got a 1 in 5 chance to convert the shrinked guy which is PRETTY much gg unless mafia has perfect knowledge of roles. The thing is you're not forced to nk, are you? So you can take infinite time to figure it all out. On January 14 2013 03:01 Dandel Ion wrote: If you read the OP, you could also have Play nice! | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:01 Dandel Ion wrote: If you read the OP, you could also have no man I wasn't expecting anyone to believe my claim. You'd just troll back. And Toad already knew I was medic so he'd shoot me anyway since I can't protect myself I DID read the OP again and again but I reread on every role and asked Palmar tons of questions about the roles and rules BUT I totally missed out the yak FML | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:02 Clarity_nl wrote: The thing is you're not forced to nk, are you? So you can take infinite time to figure it all out. Play nice! same goes for you. I have infinite time to figure out people by pm'ing them, you can do the EXACT same thing as town. I figured out people by taking the risk to shoot n1 because I thought I have to with everyone calling me a liar and the general unwillingness to talk with me in pms... Wether I take the risk and shoot / convert into town or you take the risk and lynch doesn't change that much. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Which might actually be a decent strategy too, wait for shrink/medic to suicide on the PGO, lol. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
This is so much more trolly and fun and relaxing | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:04 Toadesstern wrote: same goes for you. I have infinite time to figure out people by pm'ing them, you can do the EXACT same thing as town. I figured out people by taking the risk to shoot n1 because I thought I have to with everyone calling me a liar and the general unwillingness to talk with me in pms... Wether I take the risk and shoot / convert into town or you take the risk and lynch doesn't change that much. No, there is no risk to lynch. We literally cannot lynch scum with 6 people. Maybe everyone figures everything out, including you, but you are the only one who knows what your night actions are. With infinite amount of time you will eventually make the right choice. Yeah it's a bit theoretical but at the very least there can be no lynch on day 1 if everyone plays proper. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
2 of them voting the mafia 1 of them voting the jester 1 of them voting the lynchers target 1 of them voting NL ... almost got as cocky as to tell him to endgame the game if I managed to not shoot the lynchers target :p | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:07 Clarity_nl wrote: No, there is no risk to lynch. We literally cannot lynch scum with 6 people. Maybe everyone figures everything out, including you, but you are the only one who knows what your night actions are. With infinite amount of time you will eventually make the right choice. Yeah it's a bit theoretical but at the very least there can be no lynch on day 1 if everyone plays proper. You literally could not have lynched Jester or mafia this cycle either, yet it happened. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:09 Toadesstern wrote: You literally could not have lynched Jester or mafia this cycle either, yet it happened. No, there is a distinct difference. Especially since I claimed to have turned into a vt. Town needs a majority or they cannot lynch scum, if they cannot lynch scum they should no lynch and BECAUSE TOWN HAS HALF THE VOTES, THERE CANNOT BE A LYNCH. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
My claim this cycle however was believable which made the townies think they could lynch scum, unfortunately they went for iamp but wcyd | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:10 Clarity_nl wrote: No, there is a distinct difference. Especially since I claimed to have turned into a vt. Town needs a majority or they cannot lynch scum, if they cannot lynch scum they should no lynch and BECAUSE TOWN HAS HALF THE VOTES, THERE CANNOT BE A LYNCH. the difference is that town thought you're a townie and thought it's possible to lynch mafia this cycle, which was not true? Same could happen with the lyncher thinking someone is town REALLY strongly d1 and therefore giving into lynching the mafia. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:14 Toadesstern wrote: the difference is that town thought you're a townie and thought it's possible to lynch mafia this cycle, which was not true? Same could happen with the lyncher thinking someone is town REALLY strongly d1 and therefore giving into lynching the mafia. Why would a lyncher lynch town that is not his target? It just makes it harder for the lyncher to lynch his target down the road. Even if the lyncher wanted this somehow, why would any townie vote for anyone KNOWING that they cant lynch scum. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:11 Clarity_nl wrote: There is nothing anyone can say or do to make a lynch happen day 1 unless people are mentally ill. My claim this cycle however was believable which made the townies think they could lynch scum, unfortunately they went for iamp but wcyd If they had went for toad you'd have lost too right? Neither Dandel, nor you nor gonzaw would have been lynched. You'll lose either way. I don't get you. Why did you claim | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:17 JieXian wrote: If they had went for toad you'd have lost right? Then why did you claim Because if we had a no-lynch then I die either straight away, or a cycle later. This was the ONLY point where town had a majority (if I were telling the truth), unless toad somehow kills iamp, in which case I still would have lost had they lynched toad. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Why would a lyncher lynch town that is not his target? It just makes it harder for the lyncher to lynch his target down the road. Even if the lyncher wanted this somehow, why would any townie vote for anyone KNOWING that they cant lynch scum. that's how you're supposed to figure out people's alignments. You can't just NL and do nothing as town because as you said, mafia has a slight advantage on figuring out people and just needs to figure out either the shrink or the medic to win this, which will happen eventually. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:19 Clarity_nl wrote: Because if we had a no-lynch then I die either straight away, or a cycle later. This was the ONLY point where town had a majority (if I were telling the truth), unless toad somehow kills iamp, in which case I still would have lost had they lynched toad. edited my post above. I think you claiming and making town feel like lynching some will make you lose either way. The only candidates are toad and iamp | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Jiexian, playing the way I did was the only conceivable way that I could have won, if you can explain a different way I could have handled it, I'm all ears. edit: no, they're not, gonzaw was a lynch candidate too, he was just a weak one and I couldn't convince dandel | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:20 JieXian wrote: edited my post above. I think you claiming and making town feel like lynching some will make you lose either way. The only candidates are toad and iamp well he was 100% certain he can't win by doing nothing. It's like claiming SK as SK. It's utterly retarded but a 1% chance to win by town screwing up big time is better than sitting ducks on your 0% winchace. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes, toad, but you cannot do that as town. Voting anything but a no lynch during day 1 in this setup is anti town, there is no way around it. That's why I suggested the fourth townie in the setup. So there can be a lynch day 1. Jiexian, playing the way I did was the only conceivable way that I could have won, if you can explain a different way I could have handled it, I'm all ears. edit: no, they're not, gonzaw was a lynch candidate too, he was just a weak one and I couldn't convince dandel a 4th townie makes it impossible for mafia to win. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:22 Toadesstern wrote: a 4th townie makes it impossible for mafia to win. Why | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
because you already have a 25/50 % chance to insta-lose as mafia if you try to kill people and you even have to kill one more guy that way. It might work if you take out the shrink or the PGO and add 2 VTs instead, idk. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes, toad, but you cannot do that as town. Voting anything but a no lynch during day 1 in this setup is anti town, there is no way around it. That's why I suggested the fourth townie in the setup. So there can be a lynch day 1. Jiexian, playing the way I did was the only conceivable way that I could have won, if you can explain a different way I could have handled it, I'm all ears. edit: no, they're not, gonzaw was a lynch candidate too, he was just a weak one and I couldn't convince dandel Hmm ok. Thing is he was convinced that you are the shrink and I don't know what you 2 said to each other. That's how you knew you were going to get NKed? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote: Hmm ok. Thing is he was convinced that you are the shrink and I don't know what you 2 said to each other. That's how you knew you were going to get NKed? well he saw mafia was going to win because you died, he knew he was the lyncher (= not a VT) => no way to lynch the mafia => mafia will shoot one more guy next night. That could be him, that could be anyone else, either way it's a mafia win from his point of view and he tried to win with town, which just wasn't going to happen anymore | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:27 Toadesstern wrote: well he saw mafia was going to win because you died, he knew he was the lyncher (= not a VT) => no way to lynch the mafia => mafia will shoot one more guy next night. That could be him, that could be anyone else, either way it's a mafia win from his point of view so that's why you were so damn pissed at him :D I get it now | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote: Hmm ok. Thing is he was convinced that you are the shrink and I don't know what you 2 said to each other. That's how you knew you were going to get NKed? Well, me or dandel, then the other. This was the only opportunity to lynch Toad, I guess, but I feel the current setup is (if not scum favored) very hard for town, especially since day 1 is forced no-lynch (you can't seriously say otherwise, can you? There's a reason we no-lynched for 4 cycles) | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:29 Clarity_nl wrote: Well, me or dandel, then the other. This was the only opportunity to lynch Toad, I guess, but I feel the current setup is (if not scum favored) very hard for town, especially since day 1 is forced no-lynch (you can't seriously say otherwise, can you? There's a reason we no-lynched for 4 cycles) every man for himself. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Maybe toad/iamp have a hidden ability where their votes dontbmatter and thw game is still going lol | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:28 JieXian wrote: so that's why you were so damn pissed at him :D I get it now change it to "either way it's a mafia win from his point of vie2 unless he wins right now himself". I mean, I get what clarity did and he only had 2 options left to win. Sadly for me, he chose this one.... Had he just pm'ed me earlier about him being the lyncher he would have had a 50% chance to win because I win with either jester or lyncher and had to make one of those 2 lose. But that's still a 50% chance to win for him, hoping I'd pick him or hoping I wasn't in contact with the jester instead of his 1% chance to lynch gonzaw | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:29 Clarity_nl wrote: Well, me or dandel, then the other. This was the only opportunity to lynch Toad, I guess, but I feel the current setup is (if not scum favored) very hard for town, especially since day 1 is forced no-lynch (you can't seriously say otherwise, can you? There's a reason we no-lynched for 4 cycles) Town could have easily won with night actions alone | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
this. I went into this game thinking I've got a 1 in 3 chance to actually win this... or something like this. I think it's about the same for town. Which is the reason I'm so very pissed about this, because I was so happy that I would win this after all the bad luck I run into... | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:31 Toadesstern wrote: change it to "either way it's a mafia win from his point of vie2 unless he wins right now himself". I mean, I get what clarity did and he only had 2 options left to win. Sadly for me, he chose this one.... Had he just pm'ed me earlier about him being the lyncher he would have had a 50% chance to win because I win with either jester or lyncher and had to make one of those 2 lose. But that's still a 50% chance to win for him, hoping I'd pick him or hoping I wasn't in contact with the jester instead of his 1% chance to lynch gonzaw Nah, I contact you and you know who the jester is and win with him, kill me. I don't consider that a coinflip and I didn't think it was that farfetched to try and get gonzaw lynched, especially if he turned out to be jester instead of pgo (I didn't know which of iamp/gonzaw was which) | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:33 JieXian wrote: Town could have easily won with night actions alone Yeah but that feels more like a random chance kinda deal. If both sides play decently (like they did this game) then night actions won't win the game for town. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
i knew jiexian ciuld be fucking wiy me, but he.was the only one pming me so i still told him stuff | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:34 Clarity_nl wrote: Nah, I contact you and you know who the jester is and win with him, kill me. I don't consider that a coinflip and I didn't think it was that farfetched to try and get gonzaw lynched, especially if he turned out to be jester instead of pgo (I didn't know which of iamp/gonzaw was which) I don't think third party can be the lynchers target. Pretty sure it has to be one of the 3 blues. Lynchers target being mafia or jester would be incredibly OP. And you didn't know that about the "coinflip" not being a coinflip. I told you an hour ago I would not have trusted you but you asked me so I'm pretty sure you would have given it a shot had you realized I'm the mafia | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:37 gonzaw wrote: This game was kind of boring to.me.i had no night action and either nobody pmed.me/responded to my pms or they bullshited the hell out of me i knew jiexian ciuld be fucking wiy me, but he.was the only one pming me so i still told him stuff I really didn't need anything from you or iamp, lol. Didn't talk much to either of you. I think cause you replaced in this is what happened. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Well yeah, I didn't talk a lot with gonzaw because he was the PGO and there was no reason to talk with him from my point of view. Don't need him to know I'm mafia (should have told him...) if he's the PGO. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:35 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah but that feels more like a random chance kinda deal. If both sides play decently (like they did this game) then night actions won't win the game for town. They're supposed to make reads..... eg, as the shrink, make yak think you're Doc and get him to convert you. Yak must find out who is the PGO to NK safely Doc must find out who is the yak if he wants to get turned to mafia or who is the shrink to team up against the yak and most of all, you have to convince them you are what you are. I really really like the idea behind this game. Fucking shame I missed out that small part which turned out to be HUGE. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:40 JieXian wrote: They're supposed to make reads..... eg, as the shrink, make yak think you're Doc and get him to convert you. Yak must find out who is the PGO to survive NKs. Doc must find out who is the yak to get turned to mafia or who is the shrink to lure the yak and most of all, convince them. I really like this game really, fucking shame I missed out that small part yeah exactly this. I really thought town did a bad job trying to figure out people's roles. You can't just straight up win this game the way you tried to if the game is called "Every man for himself mafia" lol You had to do something and JieXiann is totally right on this one. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:39 Toadesstern wrote: I actually pm'ed everyone and was talking a bunch with everyone. Except for Dandel because he was ignoring me. Well yeah, I didn't talk a lot with gonzaw because he was the PGO and there was no reason to talk with him from my point of view. Don't need him to know I'm mafia (should have told him...) if he's the PGO. Well i figured the only people that would lie about being mafia were the jester or the shrink (not possible that's me). Or you were Mafia. Either way, I couldn't win with you, so I just ignored you. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:40 JieXian wrote: They're supposed to make reads..... eg, as the shrink, make yak think you're Doc and get him to convert you. Yak must find out who is the PGO to survive NKs. Doc must find out who is the yak to get turned to mafia or who is the shrink to lure the yak and most of all, convince them. I really like this game really, fucking shame I missed out that small part I convinced a bunch of people of a bunch of stuff but then 4 cycles of no lynches/night kills happened so it was impossible to keep any of my stories up. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:44 Clarity_nl wrote: I convinced a bunch of people of a bunch of stuff but then 4 cycles of no lynches/night kills happened so it was impossible to keep any of my stories up. Didn't exactly help me either that I told everyone I'm going to kill you n1 to prove I'm mafia and yes, I actually did that :p | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:47 Toadesstern wrote: Didn't exactly help me either that I told everyone I'm going to kill you n1 to prove I'm mafia and yes, I actually did that :p :D:D:D Seriously though what do I change to increase my chances of winning if I find myself in this exact situation | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:48 Clarity_nl wrote: :D:D:D Seriously though what do I change to increase my chances of winning if I find myself in this exact situation pm me, give me the NL and hope one of the guys ignoring me because they "knew" I'm not mafia (Dandel / Gonzaw) is the jester . Or hope that I'm just not in contact with the jester yet. There really was no other way. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
You won without doing anything I'd like to dedicate that to iamp :D | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
so sad I lost this Edit: ![[image loading]](http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/south_park_cartman_screw_you_guys_Ask_a_Dannyl-s276x270-114676-4751.jpg) To McDonalds it is. Junkfood makes Toad a happy Toad. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
It was an interesting game, I had fun, probably would not play the same setup again, though | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
nobody tells me anything and i always lose lol | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 03:48 gonzaw wrote: I hought about fakeclaiming medic to toad or something maybe to confuse him but dieno being afk a night thwre was no kp fucked that chance for me I was confirmed doc to toad because I told him I protected clarity before he told me who he had shot. Got a feeling toad already suspected I was doc since D1. He claimed doc to me to test me lol. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
ENDGAME just to have a proper game ending post. IAMPERFECTION WON THE GAME by fulfilling his wincondition of getting lynched Role list:
For me and Palmar, this game was absolutely hysterical. Night 1, everyone targeted Clarity. Throughout the rest of the game, the trend continued. JX kept Toadss from dying not once, but twice. I'll post a complete night actions list at some point. Way too funny. At any rate, GOOD GAME!!!! It was our pleasure hosting this game for you guys. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
official edition | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 04:58 ghost_403 wrote: ENDGAME just to have a proper game ending post. IAMPERFECTION WON THE GAME by fulfilling his wincondition of getting lynched Role list:
For me and Palmar, this game was absolutely hysterical. Night 1, everyone targeted Clarity. Throughout the rest of the game, the trend continued. JX kept Toadss from dying not once, but twice. I'll post a complete night actions list at some point. Way too funny. At any rate, GOOD GAME!!!! It was our pleasure hosting this game for you guys. except for the part where town and 3rd parties went like "naaaaah, can't win the game anymore but let's at least make sure Toad can't win. That guy is a dick" I am so going to keep on saying that until the end of eternity just to make sure gonzaw and dandel know they ruined this game for me for shitz and giggles... | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Toad you were so straightforward but the thing you forgot to mention to everyone is WHY you were so straightforward. This is why I was able to convince dandel you were jester. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 05:07 Toadesstern wrote: except for the part where town and 3rd parties went like "naaaaah, can't win the game anymore but let's at least make sure Toad can't win. That guy is a dick" I am so going to keep on saying that until the end of eternity just to make sure gonzaw and dandel know they ruined this game for me for shitz and giggles... lol i blocked your convert. get fkd | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Just came home, haven't had a chance to look at the post-game, but feel free to leave thoughts on the setup. It's a pretty complicated game and I'm willing to listen if anyone has ideas on how to improve it. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 05:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Toad seems to highly disagree but I think a fourth town member would help a lot with the slow start. I dunno, I got to control night actions during n1 but after a couple of cycles it's impossible for me to keep my story straight compared to others that are telling the truth. The point of this game is that you never were supposed to win "normally" as town and people didn't realize it. You're not supposed to lynch the mafia unless he fucks up big time and you're therefore not supposed to have a majority as town. It's about figuring out roles and wether you play correctly due to the information you have and what you do with that. If you give town a majority it's not doable for mafia given the blue roles and the constant chance of just dying yourself if you're wrong on a single read. I mean I had to shoot townies, which is pretty damn risky considering 1 of them is the PGO so you better make sure your reads are correct as mafia, at least on the important people. That was the reason I shot gonzaw on n3 on purpose. That wasn't bad luck, I literally wanted to shoot the PGO. It's basicly like a game of risk (the boardgame) and people didn't realize that. Edit: The only way for town to win this is either to fuck me by telling JieXiann to not protect me and telling the shrink to shrink the medic. Or to join forces with mafia. And it's good that way. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
It's just a flaw in the setup, and if there is a different solution other than adding a townie then I'm all ears. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 05:26 Clarity_nl wrote: I understood it just fine, but there needs to be a way for the game to move forward even if scum isn't ready. It's just a flaw in the setup, and if there is a different solution other than adding a townie then I'm all ears. Again, you had the same options I had except for the fact that I got lucky on my n1 hit. You and town had to do something in pm's and win by screwing people, not by trying to play the game. Edit: Like as the lyncher you could have made me question my target for the last night. I don't want to make you a VT yet you never pm'ed me. The shrink could have pm'ed me and fucked with me. It was just way too easy to play this game for me because noone did something. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I am simply commenting that the day 1 forced no-lynch situation was awkward and shouldn't repeat itself. You seem to be completely missing my point. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On January 14 2013 05:27 Toadesstern wrote: Again, you had the same options I had except for the fact that I got lucky on my n1 hit. You and town had to do something in pm's and win by screwing people, not by trying to play the game. Adding a 4th townie would make this game more interesting than you seem to think it would. It would make day 1 actually matter a ton. You complain that it owuld be even harder for you to win, but depending on lyncher target, it could be like 100% easier to win (lynch PGO or maybe even Shrink day 1). Also it would force the anti-town players into fakeclaiming (Let's say Shrink is getting lynched so he claims Shrink...then maybe Jester claims Shrink too, forcing a choice between the two...or scum claims Shrink, and people think he's Jester trying to force the choice...etc etc). | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote: I am not complaining about balance, I am not complaining about the different ways people need to play to win. I am simply commenting that the day 1 forced no-lynch situation was awkward and shouldn't repeat itself. You seem to be completely missing my point. I get that. But saying the forced NL is something bad means that you don't want a NL, which means lynching the mafia is possible d1, which shouldn't be possible in this set-up imo because it's not what the game is about. Also having the game end d1 because you lynched the jester or the lynchers target is really stupid as well. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Basically it becomes a decision for everyone every cycle even if scum does nothing or gets blocked, which is more interesting | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 05:16 Palmar wrote: I very much approve of doing stuff for shitz and giggles. Just came home, haven't had a chance to look at the post-game, but feel free to leave thoughts on the setup. It's a pretty complicated game and I'm willing to listen if anyone has ideas on how to improve it. I call Worth It on the ending of this game, if just to make Toad salty. Worth it. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 05:42 Dandel Ion wrote: I call Worth It on the ending of this game, if just to make Toad salty. Worth it. Btw, read the end post again. Why do I feel like everyone is staring at me? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I went into this game with that attitude and it's exactly what I expected the game to be and I liked it a lot because of that. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
....not that entertaining, specially if nobody pays attention to me >_> Also the only players that 100% bullshitted me were the other 2 townies, figure that out. PS: I didn't know this was a PM game until I replaced in lol | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
If he refused to vote well we know we had no chance to do anything but maybe with the pressure he could give in and cast 1 vote, then me+dandel quickly hammer it (if it was on toad for instance) | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Like, even if I engaged in conversation with you I don't think it would help me in any way. The same way I didn't talk to iamp much. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Well, not more than anybody else at least. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 04:58 ghost_403 wrote: ENDGAME just to have a proper game ending post. IAMPERFECTION WON THE GAME by fulfilling his wincondition of getting lynched Role list:
For me and Palmar, this game was absolutely hysterical. Night 1, everyone targeted Clarity. Throughout the rest of the game, the trend continued. JX kept Toadss from dying not once, but twice. I'll post a complete night actions list at some point. Way too funny. At any rate, GOOD GAME!!!! It was our pleasure hosting this game for you guys. I didn't know toad could only yak once and he keep saying he'd convert me while NKing another guy or stuff like that to tie me to him only to tell me later that he actually converted someone else or didn't convert anyone or some shit like that. He's really sly that way. [11/01/2013 2:06:57 AM] Erik: egal, ich hab "shoot clarity and convert jieXiann" eingegeben naja bin mal dota spielen [12/01/2013 7:59:39 AM] Erik: hab convert jieXiann and shoot clarity eingeschickt You sly German pig =( stop laughing at me and remake a new one so I can redeem myself | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:41 gonzaw wrote: In hindsight I think it would have been better to force Clarity to make the first vote on Toad/iamp "just in case". If he refused to vote well we know we had no chance to do anything but maybe with the pressure he could give in and cast 1 vote, then me+dandel quickly hammer it (if it was on toad for instance) Eh, I would've cast the first vote on iamp if pressured, but not toad. I really did not expect you both to just yolo-vote iamp though. edit: Now I wait for a vanilla mini to open up | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Eh, I would've cast the first vote on iamp if pressured, but not toad. I really did not expect you both to just yolo-vote iamp though. Don't underestimate the YOLO. It is strong with this one. (and apparantly with gonzaw too - yolo brofist, bro) | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:42 Dandel Ion wrote: I don't think I bullshitted you much. Well, not more than anybody else at least. Well, iamp and clarity just didn't even communicate with me and Toad told the whole truth apparently (even if I didn't know it at the time) You seemed to intentionally call me the yak (knowing I wasn't) and you half-claimed jester. When you said "Contact the Medic and PGO to see if they care" I was like "lol why is this guy claiming Shrink to me?" which was too obvious since like you accused me of being yak so why would you claim Shrink to me which made me think you made a subtle jester claim to me (and thought I was real yak or something) | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:37 gonzaw wrote: I can do nothing other than maybe fakeclaim to confuse yak/medic or try to convince yak I'm not PGO. ....not that entertaining, specially if nobody pays attention to me >_> Also the only players that 100% bullshitted me were the other 2 townies, figure that out. PS: I didn't know this was a PM game until I replaced in lol :D you were asking for it actually hahaha at that time I was supposedly teaming up with toad Then again I was actually talking to you quite sincerely, telling you that your argument wasn't good. You should've seen the crap I went though with Dandel | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:44 Dandel Ion wrote: Don't underestimate the YOLO. It is strong with this one. (and apparantly with gonzaw too - yolo brofist, bro) lol yolo-fist To be honest I was kind of fed up with the game and wanted it to end. If you just tell me "we can lynch scum today!" I would instantly jump to that if it can end the game and I still have a chance to win it (by lynching yak). There was a day+night cycle I didn't PM nor posted in the thread at all I think. It was that boring. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:45 gonzaw wrote: Well, iamp and clarity just didn't even communicate with me and Toad told the whole truth apparently (even if I didn't know it at the time) You seemed to intentionally call me the yak (knowing I wasn't) and you half-claimed jester. When you said "Contact the Medic and PGO to see if they care" I was like "lol why is this guy claiming Shrink to me?" which was too obvious since like you accused me of being yak so why would you claim Shrink to me which made me think you made a subtle jester claim to me (and thought I was real yak or something) I just told you i didn't want to be converted :O You just took it as a jester claim. Didn't feel the need to correct you. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:45 JieXian wrote: :D you were asking for it actually hahaha at that time I was supposedly teaming up with toadI fixed it to match the bitterness I feel when reading that. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:45 gonzaw wrote: Well, iamp and clarity just didn't even communicate with me and Toad told the whole truth apparently (even if I didn't know it at the time) You seemed to intentionally call me the yak (knowing I wasn't) and you half-claimed jester. When you said "Contact the Medic and PGO to see if they care" I was like "lol why is this guy claiming Shrink to me?" which was too obvious since like you accused me of being yak so why would you claim Shrink to me which made me think you made a subtle jester claim to me (and thought I was real yak or something) ![[image loading]](http://s3.favim.com/orig/39/jack-sparrow-pirates-of-the-caribbean-quote-truth-typograpy-Favim.com-320363.jpg) | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:45 JieXian wrote: :D you were asking for it actually hahaha at that time I was supposedly teaming up with toad I was hoping the real lyncher would like think "okay, I can win tomorrow with town, let's team up" and actually PM me or someone else about it. You were the only one doing so so I was like "yeah this guy is legit, also he's not jester/yak because of his play/other people's play". I didn't really care though since I knew (even if I thought you were lyncher) that like you were no use to me after you refused to "cooperate" I just wanted to chat though | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
edit: Like, if I had helped you guys we would've lynched toad and I would have immediately lost. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:47 Dandel Ion wrote: I just told you i didn't want to be converted :O You just took it as a jester claim. Didn't feel the need to correct you. I thought you were "obviously" faking your yak read on me trying to troll me or bullshit me with the alleged "jester claim". Like, I would not see that post coming from anybody except the jester lol. Yeah, yak converting shrink and dying is "bad" for yak but I thought everybody knew the yak would get the medic to protect him by then (so even if you were "converted" the yak would live because of medic save). Also the shrink "claim" was too obvious to be true. At one point I was thinking: "Oh, yeah maybe he's real Shrink, and he's subtly telling me he's shrink and he's trusting me, but wants to hide appearances by being "angry" at me and calling me yak". But then you kept trolling, and Jiex said you claimed yak to him so that I thought "yeah he was obviously bullshiting me, that was a jester claim". | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:51 Clarity_nl wrote: The lyncher can't win with town unless his target died during the night edit: Like, if I had helped you guys we would've lynched toad and I would have immediately lost. I was hoping the lyncher's target was any of the other 2 guys instead of me. 66% chance was pretty good to follow up with that plan. So me+the other townies would just form a town circle, say "okay, X (your target) visit gonzaw the PGO", after he dies, if yak didn't already kill/convert (which he wouldn't if the medic leaked info into our circle from the yak), it's 3 townies with 5 players, enough to lynch the yak and have the lyncher win with all townies. That's 4 players winning, which I think is like the maximum amount of players that can win simultaneously. Meh seemed pretty good in paper to me, and I thought the real lyncher would think so too. In the worst case I wanted the lyncher to claim and tell me his target at least >_> | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Your plan also made you quite clearly pgo which was quite a pain for me. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:47 Clarity_nl wrote: I fixed it to match the bitterness I feel when reading that. After the game he told me that he had messed up because of the rules. If it weren't for that he said he'd have converted me right away and we'd have won easily since gonzaw and dandel are messed up >_> if only if only | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 07:06 Clarity_nl wrote: It's not a terrible plan, but yeah since you were my target, no can do. Your plan also made you quite clearly pgo which was quite a pain for me. Well yeah, that meant that no matter who of the other 2 townies your target was, I just tell them "visit me", instead of trying to find out who's the real PGO. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 14 2013 07:24 gonzaw wrote: Well yeah, that meant that no matter who of the other 2 townies your target was, I just tell them "visit me", instead of trying to find out who's the real PGO. it's actually only a 33% chance and not 66% because even with the lyncher turned into a VT you can't win once 4 player scenario is reached. The only way for you to win as town + lyncher is for mafia to shoot the 1 specific guy n1 (let's just call the night with the first death n1). So it really was gg unless I shoot the jester (why should I...) and it wasn't possible for town to win. If his target was one of medic / shrink you'd have to lynch me in the 5 player scenario, which is still incredibly hard to do, just look at how many people thought I was mafia endgame... I mean your plan revolves around the lynchers target suiciding which can't work because it will automatically bring you to 4 player set-up unless you get INCREDIBLY lucky and the mafia accidently targets the same game. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 14 2013 07:30 Toadesstern wrote: it's actually only a 33% chance and not 66% because even with the lyncher turned into a VT you can't win once 4 player scenario is reached. The only way for you to win as town + lyncher is for mafia to shoot the 1 specific guy n1 (let's just call the night with the first death n1). So it really was gg unless I shoot the jester (why should I...) and it wasn't possible for town to win. If his target was one of medic / shrink you'd have to lynch me in the 5 player scenario, which is still incredibly hard to do, just look at how many people thought I was mafia endgame... I mean your plan revolves around the lynchers target suiciding which can't work because it will automatically bring you to 4 player set-up unless you get INCREDIBLY lucky and the mafia accidently targets the same game. If the lyncher target is shrink, the medic can save your shot or you can shoot the PGO, or you can shoot the shrink If the medic was his target, then the shrink can save your conversion, or you can shoot the shrink You sure all of that amounts to 33%? Let's see. First, let's assume you wouldn't know who is who (i.e you aren't sure who of Clarity/me/Dandel/iamp is jester/lyncher). Let's imagine X is your chance to shoot someone instead of converting (also let's assume you convert and don't shoot at the same time), Y is your chance to convert, and 1-X-Y your chance to not do anything (hold your shot) The chance of the lyncher target being medic/shrink is 50% (assuming it's not jester). If you convert: So you convert with chance Y, in which case you have 1/4th chance to convert anyone in particular. If lyncher target is medic: shrink WILL save himself (not the PGO since he dies). You have thus 1/4th chances to convert the PGO, the only role you can convert to try to win in this scenario (can't convert medic because he dies, can't convert jester because why the hell would you? you lose anyways, can't convert shrink because he shrinked himself). This means we have 1/2*3/4 chances of "winning" If lyncher target is shrink: Shrink will save PGO of course. This means you can ONLY convert the medic (can't convert PGO because he's shrinked, can't convert shrink because he's dying). Again, 1/2*3/4 chances So the chances for us to win if you convert someone are 3/4 If you shoot: You have X chance to shoot. Again, let's assume you shoot randomly. You have 1/4th chance to shoot a target in particular. If lyncher target is medic: Then if you shoot the jester we win, if you shoot the medic nothing happens and we win, if you shoot PGO you die, if you shoot shrink then we "lose". That's 1*1/4+1*1/4+1*1/4+0*1/4=3/4. Therefore it's 1/2*3/4 If lyncher target is shrink: Then if you shoot the jester we win, if you shoot the medic we "lose", if you shoot the shrink nothing happens and we win, if you shoot PGO we win. That's 1*1/4+0*1/4+1*1/4+1*1/4. Exactly the same as before, 1/2*3/4 So the chances we win if you shoot someone are 3/4 If you don't do shit: You don't do shit, so no matter what happens next day is 3 townies vs you vs jester we win. Thus the chances we win if you don't do anything is 1 So the chances we win are P(we win)=3/4*(X+Y)+1-X-Y= 1-1/4(X+Y) If you WILL do something, then X+Y=1, thus P(we win)=1-1/4*1 = 3/4 Since we assumed that the lyncher's target was not me (and assuming it couldn't be the jester for balancing reasons), then P(we win)=2/3*3/4 which is 50%. Maybe not as high as 66%, but at least higher than 33%. I guess you could say you would not "shoot randomly". Well, even if we assume you leave the jester out of everything (i.e you won't shoot nor convert the jester if you know who he is), then it's 44% That honestly feels way more than the chances town had in this game initially. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I know everyone's role besides confusing shrink and lyncher but that didn't matter, I knew I had the medic support so all that stuff didn't matter and I knew I can't hit the PGO. It literally only had a 33% chance because I can freely kill any one out of you guys and it's about wether or not that guy is the target. If he is it's possible to lynch in a 5 player scenario. If it's not the game is won for mafia in the 5 player scenario like it should have been without massive town retardation... In 4 player scenarios it doesn't matter because worst case scenario is 2 townies (no matter who you shoot) vs jester vs mafia which isn't possible for anyone to win besides mafia + jester. Obviously randomly shooting would be stupid. You can't shoot before you're 100% certain who the PGO and Jester are as mafia and if you know that that all doesn't matter anymore. But there was also no way for you to know that I guess. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I thought everybody was as in the black as me lol | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
This space is intentonally left blank? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
tryhard mode - engaged | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
to me this themed game was some serious liar game shit. Loved it (should have loved it even more) | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Or were you just as lost as I was? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 15 2013 04:59 gonzaw wrote: Hey Palmar, any thoughts/analysis of this game? Or were you just as lost as I was? Without full details of what went on in PMs I cannot really say much. I do think the idea of "town has x chance of winning" is somewhat flawed, since most people wouldn't be aiming to win as town anyway. And I still haven't found the time to sit down and actually put my thoughts into a nice big post, been very busy lately. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I've got like 3 pages of pm's from this game. Edit: Actually it's 4.5 pages of received pm's... not counting the ones I send and I'm pretty sure I send more Edit2: And on top of that all the german logs with JieXiann. Pretty sure I talked more with him than anybody else | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Tell the TL admin to make it so logs from a PM game are posted automatically once the game ends! We bring so much traffic here they must listen to us! | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
the secret side-game | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 15 2013 05:12 Palmar wrote: Without full details of what went on in PMs I cannot really say much. I do think the idea of "town has x chance of winning" is somewhat flawed, since most people wouldn't be aiming to win as town anyway. And I still haven't found the time to sit down and actually put my thoughts into a nice big post, been very busy lately. Shrink wins most easily with town right? I'm sure we didn't live up to what the setup has to offer AT ALL, by how the Dandel admits trolling everyone and gonzaw saying nobody replies to him. Toad and I didn't read the rules on yak and ruined the game though at least he and I tried to talk to everyone or get them to talk. I think Clarity played it well. I think we'd do better next time, please host another one, I think it has a really great potential. If I could I would only play this type of mafia :3 | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Just most. You got the worst of it haha | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Also, I was the towniest townie without being town, feels good. | ||
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