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Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 18:33 GMT

#796

On January 14 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:

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every man for himself.

this.

I went into this game thinking I've got a 1 in 3 chance to actually win this... or something like this. I think it's about the same for town. Which is the reason I'm so very pissed about this, because I was so happy that I would win this after all the bad luck I run into...

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 18:37 GMT

#800

On January 14 2013 03:34 Clarity_nl wrote:

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Nah, I contact you and you know who the jester is and win with him, kill me. I don't consider that a coinflip and I didn't think it was that farfetched to try and get gonzaw lynched, especially if he turned out to be jester instead of pgo (I didn't know which of iamp/gonzaw was which)

I don't think third party can be the lynchers target. Pretty sure it has to be one of the 3 blues. Lynchers target being mafia or jester would be incredibly OP.

And you didn't know that about the "coinflip" not being a coinflip. I told you an hour ago I would not have trusted you but you asked me so I'm pretty sure you would have given it a shot had you realized I'm the mafia

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 18:39 GMT

#802

I actually pm'ed everyone and was talking a bunch with everyone. Except for Dandel because he was ignoring me.

Well yeah, I didn't talk a lot with gonzaw because he was the PGO and there was no reason to talk with him from my point of view. Don't need him to know I'm mafia (should have told him...) if he's the PGO.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 18:42 GMT

#804

On January 14 2013 03:40 JieXian wrote:

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They're supposed to make reads.....

eg, as the shrink, make yak think you're Doc and get him to convert you.
Yak must find out who is the PGO to survive NKs.
Doc must find out who is the yak to get turned to mafia or who is the shrink to lure the yak

and most of all, convince them.

I really like this game really, fucking shame I missed out that small part

yeah exactly this. I really thought town did a bad job trying to figure out people's roles.
You can't just straight up win this game the way you tried to if the game is called "Every man for himself mafia" lol

You had to do something and JieXiann is totally right on this one.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 18:47 GMT

#807

On January 14 2013 03:44 Clarity_nl wrote:

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I convinced a bunch of people of a bunch of stuff but then 4 cycles of no lynches/night kills happened so it was impossible to keep any of my stories up.

Didn't exactly help me either that I told everyone I'm going to kill you n1 to prove I'm mafia and yes, I actually did that :p

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 18:50 GMT

#810

On January 14 2013 03:48 Clarity_nl wrote:

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On January 14 2013 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:

On January 14 2013 03:44 Clarity_nl wrote:

On January 14 2013 03:40 JieXian wrote:

On January 14 2013 03:35 Clarity_nl wrote:

On January 14 2013 03:33 JieXian wrote:

On January 14 2013 03:29 Clarity_nl wrote:

On January 14 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:

On January 14 2013 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yes, toad, but you cannot do that as town. Voting anything but a no lynch during day 1 in this setup is anti town, there is no way around it. That's why I suggested the fourth townie in the setup. So there can be a lynch day 1.

Jiexian, playing the way I did was the only conceivable way that I could have won, if you can explain a different way I could have handled it, I'm all ears.

edit: no, they're not, gonzaw was a lynch candidate too, he was just a weak one and I couldn't convince dandel

Hmm ok. Thing is he was convinced that you are the shrink and I don't know what you 2 said to each other. That's how you knew you were going to get NKed?

Well, me or dandel, then the other. This was the only opportunity to lynch

Toad, I guess, but I feel the current setup is (if not scum favored) very hard for town, especially since day 1 is forced no-lynch (you can't seriously say otherwise, can you? There's a reason we no-lynched for 4 cycles)

Town could have easily won with night actions alone

Yeah but that feels more like a random chance kinda deal. If both sides play decently (like they did this game) then night actions won't win the game for town.

I convinced a bunch of people of a bunch of stuff but then 4 cycles of no lynches/night kills happened so it was impossible to keep any of my stories up.

Didn't exactly help me either that I told everyone I'm going to kill you n1 to prove I'm mafia and yes, I actually did that :p

:D:D:D

Seriously though what do I change to increase my chances of winning if I find myself in this exact situation

pm me, give me the NL and hope one of the guys ignoring me because they "knew" I'm not mafia (Dandel / Gonzaw) is the jester . Or hope that I'm just not in contact with the jester yet.

There really was no other way.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 18:59 GMT

#812

I need a hug

so sad I lost this

Edit:

To McDonalds it is. Junkfood makes Toad a happy Toad.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 20:07 GMT

#823

On January 14 2013 04:58 ghost_403 wrote:
ENDGAME
just to have a proper game ending post.

IAMPERFECTION WON THE GAME
by fulfilling his wincondition of getting lynched

Role list:

Dieno/Gonzaw, staring as the Paranoid Gun Owner
Iamperfection, staring as the jester
JieXian, staring as el doctor
Clarity_nl, staring as ~~center of all nightactions~~ lyncher
Dandel Ion, staring as the shrink
and Toadsstern, staring as the yakuza.

For me and Palmar, this game was absolutely hysterical. Night 1, everyone targeted Clarity. Throughout the rest of the game, the trend continued. JX kept Toadss from dying not once, but twice. I'll post a complete night actions list at some point. Way too funny.

At any rate, GOOD GAME!!!! It was our pleasure hosting this game for you guys.

except for the part where town and 3rd parties went like "naaaaah, can't win the game anymore but let's at least make sure Toad can't win. That guy is a dick"
I am so going to keep on saying that until the end of eternity just to make sure gonzaw and dandel know they ruined this game for me for shitz and giggles...

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 20:23 GMT

#828

On January 14 2013 05:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Toad seems to highly disagree but I think a fourth town member would help a lot with the slow start. I dunno, I got to control night actions during n1 but after a couple of cycles it's impossible for me to keep my story straight compared to others that are telling the truth.

The point of this game is that you never were supposed to win "normally" as town and people didn't realize it.
You're not supposed to lynch the mafia unless he fucks up big time and you're therefore not supposed to have a majority as town.

It's about figuring out roles and wether you play correctly due to the information you have and what you do with that. If you give town a majority it's not doable for mafia given the blue roles and the constant chance of just dying yourself if you're wrong on a single read.
I mean I had to shoot townies, which is pretty damn risky considering 1 of them is the PGO so you better make sure your reads are correct as mafia, at least on the important people. That was the reason I shot gonzaw on n3 on purpose. That wasn't bad luck, I literally wanted to shoot the PGO.

It's basicly like a game of risk (the boardgame) and people didn't realize that.
Edit: The only way for town to win this is either to fuck me by telling JieXiann to not protect me and telling the shrink to shrink the medic. Or to join forces with mafia.

And it's good that way.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 20:27 GMT

#830

On January 14 2013 05:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I understood it just fine, but there needs to be a way for the game to move forward even if scum isn't ready.
It's just a flaw in the setup, and if there is a different solution other than adding a townie then I'm all ears.

Again, you had the same options I had except for the fact that I got lucky on my n1 hit. You and town had to do something in pm's and win by screwing people, not by trying to play the game.

Edit: Like as the lyncher you could have made me question my target for the last night. I don't want to make you a VT yet you never pm'ed me.
The shrink could have pm'ed me and fucked with me.

It was just way too easy to play this game for me because noone did something.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 20:33 GMT

#833

On January 14 2013 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am not complaining about balance, I am not complaining about the different ways people need to play to win.
I am simply commenting that the day 1 forced no-lynch situation was awkward and shouldn't repeat itself.
You seem to be completely missing my point.

I get that. But saying the forced NL is something bad means that you don't want a NL, which means lynching the mafia is possible d1, which shouldn't be possible in this set-up imo because it's not what the game is about.
Also having the game end d1 because you lynched the jester or the lynchers target is really stupid as well.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 20:43 GMT

#837

I guess, it's just that I never expected anything to happen in the thread anyways. I signed up because it was a PM game and an incredible small one at that, which means 99% of the stuff will happen in pm's and nothing important will be dealt with in the thread.

I went into this game with that attitude and it's exactly what I expected the game to be and I liked it a lot because of that.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 20:52 GMT

#839

I thought you're the shrink because of something you said, forgot what it was

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 21:47 GMT

#854

On January 14 2013 06:45 gonzaw wrote:

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Well, iamp and clarity just didn't even communicate with me and Toad told the whole truth apparently (even if I didn't know it at the time)

You seemed to intentionally call me the yak (knowing I wasn't) and you half-claimed jester.

When you said "Contact the Medic and PGO to see if they care" I was like "lol why is this guy claiming Shrink to me?" which was too obvious since like you accused me of being yak so why would you claim Shrink to me which made me think you made a subtle jester claim to me (and thought I was real yak or something)

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 13 2013 22:30 GMT

#862

On January 14 2013 07:24 gonzaw wrote:

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Well yeah, that meant that no matter who of the other 2 townies your target was, I just tell them "visit me", instead of trying to find out who's the real PGO.

it's actually only a 33% chance and not 66% because even with the lyncher turned into a VT you can't win once 4 player scenario is reached. The only way for you to win as town + lyncher is for mafia to shoot the 1 specific guy n1 (let's just call the night with the first death n1).

So it really was gg unless I shoot the jester (why should I...) and it wasn't possible for town to win. If his target was one of medic / shrink you'd have to lynch me in the 5 player scenario, which is still incredibly hard to do, just look at how many people thought I was mafia endgame...

I mean your plan revolves around the lynchers target suiciding which can't work because it will automatically bring you to 4 player set-up unless you get INCREDIBLY lucky and the mafia accidently targets the same game.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 14 2013 03:33 GMT

#864

I obviously was only referring to the "If you know all roles or at least all important ones you have a 1/3 chance to hit the lynchers target because you're shooting into shrink or medic and one out of those 3 townies has to be the target" given the sitaution we had, nothing more :p

I know everyone's role besides confusing shrink and lyncher but that didn't matter, I knew I had the medic support so all that stuff didn't matter and I knew I can't hit the PGO. It literally only had a 33% chance because I can freely kill any one out of you guys and it's about wether or not that guy is the target.

If he is it's possible to lynch in a 5 player scenario. If it's not the game is won for mafia in the 5 player scenario like it should have been without massive town retardation...
In 4 player scenarios it doesn't matter because worst case scenario is 2 townies (no matter who you shoot) vs jester vs mafia which isn't possible for anyone to win besides mafia + jester.

Obviously randomly shooting would be stupid. You can't shoot before you're 100% certain who the PGO and Jester are as mafia and if you know that that all doesn't matter anymore. But there was also no way for you to know that I guess.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 14 2013 20:39 GMT

#878

it's so much to do

I've got like 3 pages of pm's from this game.

Edit: Actually it's 4.5 pages of received pm's... not counting the ones I send and I'm pretty sure I send more
Edit2: And on top of that all the german logs with JieXiann. Pretty sure I talked more with him than anybody else

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