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zebezt
Profile Joined August 2011
185 Posts
January 22 2013 11:27 GMT
#1061
You could just be playing for more time.

And yes, you not being RB'er is obvious to me since you didnt RB me or Zare.
If there is 4 scum and we don't kill you, it's already lost. Doesn't matter if the rest discovers your lies then.
zebezt
Profile Joined August 2011
185 Posts
January 22 2013 11:43 GMT
#1062
Hey shz,
I would love to know what you think about this situation?
shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
January 22 2013 11:48 GMT
#1063
Jacob did one thing very good, confuse the fuck out of me. But at this point I still don't see any reason not to lynch him. After him I guess zare.
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zebezt
Profile Joined August 2011
185 Posts
January 22 2013 11:52 GMT
#1064
Thanks!
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
January 22 2013 11:53 GMT
#1065
I am not trying to confuse you... I don't see what part of the logic doesn't make sense. I want to see what trotske thinks about it. Zebezt is saying there is more likely hood that there is 4 scum as a mafia team. Than 3 scum one sk I have never seen a 4 scum mafia team ever in a 13 player game. I actually played in a game with 3 mafia one sk... I am assuming it's c9 set up.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++

zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 22 2013 11:54 GMT
#1066
On January 22 2013 08:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:
First mocca was rb’ed night one and he claimed he was rb’ed probably in order to gain town cred, secondly I rb’ed spag which was why I focused on Zara so much (thinking I might get lucky with no kills from mafia who knows maybe I did and the sk killed that night)

Next I rb’ed Zeb but there was still a kill. So I thought I was wrong but decided not to show I had information and just push zara over him.

Last thing I did was role block zara and this was when everything was revealed. You may wonder why I went spastic about an sk. Zara lied about being rb’ed probably because he assumed I was it and a kill still went though.


So you're saying:
N1: RB Mocsta
N2: RB Zeb
N3: RB Zarepath

What happened on Day 2 that made you want to RB Zeb? And when he didn't acknowledge being RB'd, why didn't you immediately roleclaim and call him out on it?

And if he WERE scum and he WERE RB'd, why WOULDN'T he claim that he was RB'd? That would give him town cred for honesty.

And most importantly: Why did you lie? The first time around when we were collecting role claims, here's what you said:

On January 18 2013 09:40 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Vt


And even if you were lying to protect yourself, I cannot for the life of me understand why you didn't come out with the truth Day 3, after Zebezt said nothing of you RBing him.

You saw how we made certain the DT's reads came out by the end of N3 -- why wouldn't you do something similar, and post your RB's right before the end of N3?

All of the above questions are for the sake of others -- I already know you're scum, because I was never RB'd the entire game, and apparently, Zeb wasn't either.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 22 2013 11:56 GMT
#1067
On January 22 2013 20:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I am not trying to confuse you... I don't see what part of the logic doesn't make sense. I want to see what trotske thinks about it. Zebezt is saying there is more likely hood that there is 4 scum as a mafia team.


I played a 4 scum 13 person Mafia once, but we had no Godfather or any other special powers on the Mafia team.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
January 22 2013 11:56 GMT
#1068
It comes down to what do you think is safer and more likely. It's less likely there is 4 mafia ergo If I was lying you could lynch me day 5. It's not likely what zebezt is saying is true so when I flip town your screwed. If you do vote me you are screwed because town can't win vs sk and mafia. it would be 1-1-2

If there were 4 mafia (unlikely) then it would be 2-3 and we lose this lynch with nk which I the rb'er can't stop...
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
January 22 2013 11:57 GMT
#1069
On January 22 2013 20:56 zarepath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 20:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I am not trying to confuse you... I don't see what part of the logic doesn't make sense. I want to see what trotske thinks about it. Zebezt is saying there is more likely hood that there is 4 scum as a mafia team.


I played a 4 scum 13 person Mafia once, but we had no Godfather or any other special powers on the Mafia team.


Well there was a godfather.
zebezt
Profile Joined August 2011
185 Posts
January 22 2013 12:09 GMT
#1070
On January 22 2013 20:56 JacobStrangelove wrote:
If there were 4 mafia (unlikely) then it would be 2-3 and we lose this lynch with nk which I the rb'er can't stop...


Nonsense
If there is 4 mafia you are one of them. Because your story relies on me being an SK and therefore eluding the rolecheck by Trotske. Unless you think there is 4 mafia+SK.


Stop trying to wriggle out of this.
zebezt
Profile Joined August 2011
185 Posts
January 22 2013 12:15 GMT
#1071
On January 22 2013 20:56 zarepath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 20:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I am not trying to confuse you... I don't see what part of the logic doesn't make sense. I want to see what trotske thinks about it. Zebezt is saying there is more likely hood that there is 4 scum as a mafia team.


I played a 4 scum 13 person Mafia once, but we had no Godfather or any other special powers on the Mafia team.


If zarepath was mafia, wouldn't he have just left out the no Godfather thing to strengthen his case?

JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
January 22 2013 12:17 GMT
#1072
I am saying it's impossible to have 4 mafia and I know this because I am not mafia... actually if there were four mafia then shz and zara would have to be mafia. (and you would be town) I don't think this is the case in fact I almost know it isn't.

There isn't any point arguing with you though because I know you are sk. If trotske was to come in here or shz was to ask a question then yes. But what we are basically doing is saying each other is scum repeated times it's pointless.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
January 22 2013 12:19 GMT
#1073
Oh that was zarepath I thought that was you. (you guys need different names) But no I would have asked for a link to the game out of curiosity. (then discovering no power roles)
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
January 22 2013 12:20 GMT
#1074
He could have put it in for a wifom bonus.
zebezt
Profile Joined August 2011
185 Posts
January 22 2013 12:26 GMT
#1075
Myeh.. I think we are a bit past wifom now.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
January 22 2013 12:29 GMT
#1076
Most of late game is wifom unfortunately. I can't argue with you two for obvious reasons so I am just going to wait for the others.
zebezt
Profile Joined August 2011
185 Posts
January 22 2013 13:04 GMT
#1077
Shz is looking more scummy with every second imo

JSL is actually right about something in this respect. For shz it makes sense to vote zare or me. If he is town he will know that the 4 scum scenario is impossible. Therefore voting JSL is more safe for him.
He has had a lot of time to figure this out, but is instead sticking with JSL and even posted to this effect.

Imo this proves he is not thinking like a townie. Instead he is waiting to see what Trotske is going to do and jump ship to zare when he gets the chance.

Trotske does not have the added benefit of knowing wether or not shz is town, so he has to make the real decision.
shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
January 22 2013 13:17 GMT
#1078
On January 22 2013 22:04 zebezt wrote:
Shz is looking more scummy with every second imo

JSL is actually right about something in this respect. For shz it makes sense to vote zare or me. If he is town he will know that the 4 scum scenario is impossible. Therefore voting JSL is more safe for him.
He has had a lot of time to figure this out, but is instead sticking with JSL and even posted to this effect.

Imo this proves he is not thinking like a townie. Instead he is waiting to see what Trotske is going to do and jump ship to zare when he gets the chance.

Trotske does not have the added benefit of knowing wether or not shz is town, so he has to make the real decision.


So you think I should not vote Jacob? Because he is the best target?
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zebezt
Profile Joined August 2011
185 Posts
January 22 2013 13:29 GMT
#1079
*shrugs
I think I was clear.

I think if I were in your situation I would not vote him if I was town unless I really wanted to make sure that this game ends soon.
I think he looks guilty as hell, but maybe that's because I have the added information of knowing 100% sure that I am town and he lied about RB'ing me.
If I were you I would probably not be 100% convinced and vote zare to be sure.

My point was that since you didn't figure this out yourself it points to you being scum along with JSL.

This post is not telling you how to vote. It is more a warning to Trotske to not trust your intentions in this.
I'm not saying we should lynch you right now.
JSL could just be stalling for time and I'm being paranoid.
shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
January 22 2013 13:44 GMT
#1080
On January 22 2013 22:29 zebezt wrote:
*shrugs
I think I was clear.

I think if I were in your situation I would not vote him if I was town unless I really wanted to make sure that this game ends soon.
I think he looks guilty as hell, but maybe that's because I have the added information of knowing 100% sure that I am town and he lied about RB'ing me.
If I were you I would probably not be 100% convinced and vote zare to be sure.

My point was that since you didn't figure this out yourself it points to you being scum along with JSL.

This post is not telling you how to vote. It is more a warning to Trotske to not trust your intentions in this.
I'm not saying we should lynch you right now.
JSL could just be stalling for time and I'm being paranoid.


You are getting quite a bit aggressive on the way to the end.

I would vote for Jacob and zare. The only thing that kinda excuses zare is his case and early vote for Spag. Jacob on the other hand plays his last hours similar to Mocsta and Spag and his RB story is fishy as hell. Therefore he is the better lynch.

The only reason you and Trotske are out of question for scum is that no one else claimed DT. And therefore I have to think that zare or Jacob are scum, and if anything, you are SK. But we have no prove of the existens, so we only have to lynch J and Z and be done with the game. At least aslong no new evidence comes to light (through night actions).
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