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Only fucking vote fr someone if you are sure they are scum. You DO NOT need to vote for the sake of voting like in normal games. That does not mean you can;t use your vote for pressure. It does mean that if you are going to park your vote somewhere for long periods you better be sure of yourself and have some fucking fantastic reasoning or I will be all up in your business. Extended policy talk is the most pointless shit in the world IMO so after your first post further setup or policy talk will make me want to lynch you. Lurking is fucking shit, even more so in this setup. If you lurk that will make me want to lynch you. I guess the smurf is risen. But honestly, who the fuck cares. He does not want you to know or why would he smurf. If you speculate on who the smurf is I will want to lynch you. | ||
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Not alignment indicative, really he is just stating his own policy. Aggression, unless used in a meta case, is not alignment indicative either. | ||
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On January 04 2013 15:53 yamato77 wrote: In parallel, the crafted setup focused post was from a scum. Hapa's post though I understand because when I played IRC with him he hated it because he had no time to think. This is a direct reaction to that. The fast-paced decision making was difficult for him. You calling hapa scum here? What are you actually saying? | ||
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On January 04 2013 16:35 Hapahauli wrote: @ DP You around? Talk to me about this Yamato stuff. It seems super forced, has really strange logic, and I think it's scummy. I was out all day. It was hot so I went to the beach with some friends. Sorry. back now and catching up. | ||
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Ugh. There is nothing really to go off yet. All this arguing over set-up only servers to obfuscate reads on things. Hapa. You keep asking about our views on Riseagain and the 'aggressiveness' he showed. How does him being aggressive make him scum? How does yamato attempting to show his thought process and his follow up from your pressure of him read to you? | ||
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Rise is completely null to me. And to be honest you are the one picking a fight with rise. There should be one read due to Rises' aggression and that is null. I thought that you were simply following up on him in order to push the town to be active. However you trying to drum up support for a bandwagon based of something that any player of your calibre should KNOW is a null tell is not 'potentially scummy' it IS scummy. and it has me worried. Since when do you call things 'potentially scummy' anyway??? sounds really fucking off to be honest. Yeah it was a WTF post from yamato initially. But his explanation, willingness to be open and transparent, and the fact that his original WTF post turned out to be an exercise in an open thought process give me a town read on yamato at this juncture. And once again I am wondering how the fuck a town hapa is not reaching the same conclusions as myself and is pushing the wagons of two people who are null at worst. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:22 Hapahauli wrote: YES, TUNNEL ME! Finally someone takes a stance on something. As for why I'm tunneling, I have two options: 1) I can sit here and derp around waiting for someone to do something. Clearly this is not happening this game. 2) I can try to make conversation on something I find off in the thread to get things going. I always lean towards option 2. This is why I pursue things early and aggressively early in the game. They may or may not stick (i.e. my case on you in Witchcraft Mini), but it's an important part of the process. well I would hardly call that post tunnelling. In fact that reaction is just plain weird. So what you are saying is that you are deliberately acting scummier than usual but that this is what you do every game? The thing that is hurting this game the most right now is lurking. So why are you not saying anything about lurking? In fact the only time you have 'pressured' people is when another player first comments on them. Shiao Pi with Riseagain and myself with Yamato. That is quite distinct to what you did in witchcraft for example, which was push people on your own regardless of the positions of others, make a strong case and ask people to judge that on it's merits. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:29 Hapahauli wrote: This deserves special mention, because it's night and day from your early-game in Witchcraft Mini. You were willing to jump on people for random, inconsequential things in order to create discussion. This statement is the exact opposite - you're finding things null and keeping an arms-length separation from the thread. What's up DP? Also, you called me "town hapa." Hehe. You know as well as I do that the way I phrased that was not calling you town but in fact suggesting that I could not reconcile your play this game with your town play. So I don't even see the point of that statement. You are talking about djo from last game correct? well firstly that was not pressure voting or attempting to increase activity. That was me thinking Djo was scummy as shit. Lo and behold. he flipped scum bro. The other pressure votes from that game were clearly labelled as such and were consistent with the policy of voting for a lurker until they contributed. This policy was clearly expressed beforehand. So quit trying to OMGUS me with a shitty meta case. Which you KNOW to be untrue. Day one of witchcraft I derailed the wagon on jixian as I thought he was newbie town/scummy town. from our IRC conversations you know very well my positions on wagons such as these. Based on my positions on Jixian and Eywa. Sup Hapa? | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:40 Hapahauli wrote: Oh that's full of shit and you know it. How am I acting scummier? As far as I'm concerned, I'm the only one here actively trying to start discussion. And what part of my reaction is "weird?" You're dropping words without any reasoning to back it up. That's a fantastic idea DarthPunk - let's tunnel people that haven't posted anything less than 24 hours into the game. That will do something useful for discussion. The bolded is exactly what I'm doing this game. And the fact that you think I'm scummy because I haven't made a case less than 24 hours into the game with 4 pages of game filter is a level of absurdity I can't begin to comprehend. Who the fuck is saying anything about tunnelling? I clearly said pressure. I fucking pressured lurkers all of day one in witchcraft. And I don;t think you are scummy because you haven;t made a case. I didn't say that. I think you are scummy because of the way you are pushing two weak as shit wagons. Which are obviously weak as shit and me not being able to believe that you as town would not see they are weak as shit. ergo you are scummy as we are CLEARLY not sharing a similar mindset about said wagons. Also you immediate OMGUS is fucking terrible. Not town play. Not good play. Not town hapa play. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:49 Hapahauli wrote: You jumped on Djo for setup-speculation. Why haven't you jumped on anyone here for the same? You've just been all "eh fuck it it's all null." Because I had JUST fucking caught him for that exact thing in Mario. I know Djo better having played several games with him than I know a smurf who is speculating set-up with the entire town. On January 05 2013 06:49 Hapahauli wrote: Nah you're being quite different so far. You feel more distant, and it's scummy. You're not jumping on people, and you think the only player who gives two shits about the activity in the thread is "scummy." That's a misrepresentation. You really fanned the flames of the wagon until JieXian started being all spammy-like near the lynch deadline. Don't tell me you don't jump on things as town, cause that's a load of shit. So this OMGUS is due to some undeveloped meta bullshit correct? when I have been correctly lynched due to meta cases a grand total of zero times. And you have, in the past, shown a complete lack of understanding of the way to read me through meta. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:54 Hapahauli wrote: Okay. So where's your lurker pressure now? You're "pressuring" the most active player in the thread. "Hapa doesn't agree with me. Therefore he is scummy." Not only is this bad logic in general, but we're talking about early day fucking 1. LOL. Name me one of my town games in which I don't OMGUS someone. ##Vote DarthPunk Straight-up OMGUS and a sprinkle of gut-feeling. You scum brah. Wow. If you are actually town. This is straight up fucking awful. I still love you though. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:57 Hapahauli wrote: Naw it's quite good actually. You've been screaming "lurkers are ruining the game" in our conversation. Your solution? You've never offered a single lurker to the chopping block. Instead, you think the most active player in the game is scummy. That's a complete load of logical shit, and I don't expect that from a town DP. We don't have to lynch forever in this game. we can wait a bit before we seriously consider lynching for lurking which is a larger sacrifice in a game this small. What was on top of my agenda was figuring out hapa as you are the scariest player in this game, and if I could get a solid town read on you we could roll these scum. Unfortunately you went retard and or are scum so now I have to deal with a hapa tunnelling me based on On January 05 2013 06:54 Hapahauli wrote: Straight-up OMGUS and a sprinkle of gut-feeling. You scum brah. All the while I am somehow illogical despite having really solid reasoning and you just ignoring that to serve your OMGUS agenda. Well, that is cool with me HAPA. I don't have to convince you you are scum. I just have to convince the town. And that should be straightforward after this little party we have been having together. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:59 Hapahauli wrote: DAMNIT WE HAD SOMETHING GOING - GET BACK HERE SO I CAN FLAME YOU. Lovely. You really aren't being protown are you buddy? | ||
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@everyone besides hapa. If you get outposted by scum as town you fail at this game. Just saying. | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:08 Hapahauli wrote: Do me a favor DP: outline your "case" on me. Because it's a load of logical crap. You're supposedly very critical of lurkers, yet you've done nothing to pursue said lurking at all. Despite this, you accuse me of not going after lurkers. I love you, but you've been caught with your pants down =) You aren't going to mislynch me HAPA. I suggest you try to mislynch someone else. And my case isn't one yet. I haven't even voted for you. But I think you outed yourself pretty nicely in this te ta te. If someone other than Hapa wants me to clarify something or ask me a question then feel free. Also about the lurker thing. I was critical of lurkers but believing that because I am critical of lurkers I can only go after lurkers is fallacious. Especially when I value knowing your alignment far more. wow you are really twisting things now. @ Bolded. I accused you of going after easy fucking wagons that I knew were bad. And I knew Town hapa would know were bad. You then responded by saying said wagons were only for pressure and to spark activity I then said that if you wanted to pressure people why not pressure lurkers who are actually hurting the game. I did not push bad wagons for pressure, Therefore saying that because I 'told' you to go after lurkers I must do the same is fallacious. I did not subscribe to the same motives as you did when presenting your defence. In fact I had higher priorities such as discerning your alignment. which I proceeded to follow. You call me Illogical but that does not make it true. I know you are trying your best to flame me away dear, but it won't work. You won't mislynch me and you won't twist my words or this narrative. If you are town I suggest you find a way to make that perfectly clear to the thread. Flaming and OMGUS doesn't cut it I'm afraid. | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:21 Hapahauli wrote: DarthPunk's Stance on Lurkers DP is apparently super-concerned with lurkers this game. In fact, he has a well-established history of pressuring lurkers in similar game situations. Witchcraft Mini Mafia had a very similar opening, where town was very inactive for most of Day 1. DarthPunk was very adamant about pursuing players who haven't posted. In his own words: He pressured lurkers all of Day 1 in witchcraft mini mafia (as town). He's done nothing to that end so far, despite his concern. Basically, his "concern" is a front. He's pretending to be concerned about lurkers, and offering much rhetoric to that end. When it comes down to it however, he doesn't give a shit about pressuring them. Instead, he goes after the most active player in the game. As a side note, DarthPunk and I have played many games together. He's very intimately familiar with how I play town. Hilariously enough, everything he's attacking me for this game are signature traits of my town play. Pushing "weak" wagons on Day 1, OMGUS plays... these are all things that I do in every one of my town games. DarthPunk seems to have conveniently "forgot" about our game history for his own ends. I suggest everyone read the context of those quotes as HAPA edited them out of context to suit his agenda. Hapa stated that he was pushing terrible wagons in order to increase activity. I then said as quoted why don't you pressure lurkers instead as they are actively hurting the game. Yes I am concerned about lurkers but that does not and never will prevent me from going after someone I view as scummier. And yes I do know hapas play. and he is correct in saying that this is all hallmarks of his town play but scum try to EMULATE their town play. The key difference is that Town hapa is almost always CLEARLY town. and right now He is not clearly town but quite scummy. I am gone now. If someone wishes to talk I will be back in several hours. GLHF. | ||
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As for not voting for hapa. I didn't feel the need to vote hapa as I was not yet sure he was scum and still am not sure. In a format such as this I don't really like parking my vote on someone for long periods of time. The last time I did so in a instant majority game someone got hammered whilst i was asleep with my vote on him as a pressure vote. So i do not wish to repeat that experience. Especially on a player like hapa that I wouldn't want to lynch unless I was very very certain of his guilt, as he is being quite active and creating content. Do I think the length of hapa's filter determines his alignment? No I think as scum hapa would be quite able to be engaged and active even be the most active in a town such as this. The thing is though. He has produced little in terms of valuable content. He has tunnelled me and push some bad wagons and asked people for their input. Hardly a wealth of quality material. Also his push on me is highly manipulative and fallacious, which makes me feel he is pushing an agenda rather than pushing for the truth. That is the key point in all of this. I want to be certain of hapa's guilt before I push for his lynch. There are very good reasons to be unsure of my guilt but hapa doesn't give a fuck about that. He wants to push his lynch first on Rise then on Yamato (lynch bait of the century) then on me. Hapa demonstrably does not give a fuck about being Correct he cares about his agenda and manipulates the facts in order to facilitate that. Moving on Xatalos is scummy as fuck. First there is his list post. Then he defends me and calls me townie. Hapa says a few things and he has the complete opposite position. He sheeps hapa and starts calling me his number 1 scum read. That is so off. I probably want to lynch Xatalos more than I want to lynch hapa today. | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:23 Hapahauli wrote: @ Xatalos Well keep in mind that the only reason that DP is active is because I've been tunneling him rather adamantly. As for MrZ, well we can agree to disagree on him. If you do find him suspicious, I do encourage you to tunnel him and get something out of him. This is bullshit by the way. I started going after hapa and then he omgus'd me straight up. It is not like hapa called me scum and I started scumhunting. The opposite actually I called hapa scum and he roared into the thread and started flaming and OMGUSING me. On January 05 2013 08:56 Hapahauli wrote: Saying "lurking suckzzz" is non-alignment indicative alone, but when you don't follow up on it at all, it's scummy. Especially when you chose to go after the guy with 40% of the Day 1 posts instead of the lurkers. What has he done to encourage lurkers to post? Nothing! Everyone said lurking sucks. and not everyone has gone after lurkers. In fact the only difference between me and those others are that I think you are scum and they do not. You are now trying to find justification for your flames and omgus but are not following through on that with others either. Others have said lurking sucks and not pursued lurkers. Does that make them scum also? You in fact said the same thing about lurkers and are now tunneling the most active person aside from yourself, and have not touched on the lurkers. I am pursuing my number one scum read. that is not scummy. I have before as town said Lynch all lurkers and then ignored them and pursued my number one scum read vigorously. MANY MANY MANY townies decry lurkers and then ignore them in pursuit of their biggest scum read. That is perfectly normal behavior for town. is CERTAINLY not alignment indicative nor enough grounds for a lynch as you well know. The fact of the matter is you are just grasping at anything to justify your OMGUS of me and to flame me with. | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:02 ShiaoPi wrote: @DP: Why do you cal Hapa scum if you were not sure on him? There were plenty of examples? If you think someone is probably scum but are not positive, do you go in with the mindset DP could be scum or DP is scum and then go from there? The fact is, if you want people to take you seriously you do not say ummm DP could be scum but I am not sure but these things here and here and here are all scummy. But maybe I am wrong. That would not succeed in placing pressure on that person or even be taken seriously at all. If you are pressuring someone you want to call them scum. you are trying to make them uncomfortable and gauge their reactions. I was scared of voting hapa, being wrong and being responsible for a sudden bandwagon and lynch of a strong townie. I am more than happy to take as much time as I need to learn the facts and be fucking certain of my vote before it is cast. There is no deadline I have no need to rush these things. | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:06 Hapahauli wrote: You seem to be bursting at the seams DP. You've been balls out convinced that I'm scum. You've explicitly called me scum over and over throughout the thread. And now... you're not convinced that I'm scum? And not only that... you want to go after Xalatos. Mmmmmhm. Oh wait, then derp I'm back to being your #1 scumread: I'll get to some more specifics in that reply of yours, but I just had to post this. Also DP, please outline your "case" on me, so I can rip it apart for how incoherent it is. Just give me a bullet list. You think that being unsure and inconsistent is a scum tell? You are out of your mind. I am unsure because I am unsure. If I was scum I could fucking fake certainty twist everything you say into something scummy and then tunnel you to death all the while sounding like the most confident person in the world. I have done it before. it is easy. It is exactly what you are doing with me. With you I am trying to figure shit out still. And I wouldn't like to mislynch you if I happen to be wrong. So I am taking my sweet time. you WERE my number one scum read during the time I was arguing with you. Then I saw xatalos acting all scummy and would probably prefer to lynch him. It is fairly obvious what I was saying no need to twist it into something else entirely. I know it aids your cause but do try to stop being dense sweetie. I have no interest in repeating myself for you hapa. I will respond to others but I refuse to get into a flame war with you. My position can be found easily within my filter. | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:13 ShiaoPi wrote: @DP: Well I do in fact go with XX could be scum unless I feel sure then I am willing to commit and tunnel to oblivion. But I think you know that already. I would have thought you to be more of the tunnelfest-type as soon as you pick up a trail, but that might be me remembering wrong. Well I would like to see your case on hapa then as soon as you can post it... I suggest you read my filter. Everything on hapa is contained within those posts. | ||
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The key point is not pushing another townie that is weaker. The key point of my meta is DROPPING the STRONGER case for a WEAKER case that is on a weaker player. The fact is I am clearly not dropping the stronger case on you. I am still quite determined to go after you. That does not mean I want to ignore everything else in the thread. | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:22 ShiaoPi wrote: I read your filter DP, not convincing... If you are really certain on Hapa then I would like you to condense it into a post and try convincing us. While it is true that you have time since there is no deadline, I would rather see it sooner or later, also taking into account the recent interactions. Otherwise if you would decide to drop Hapa then tell us why and why Xatalos is the scummier person what was not convincing about it exactly? And I really don't have the time to condense it down though I probably should. I will do so when I get home from my mothers later tonight. | ||
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Case on hapa very simply Pushes weak as shit wagons for weak as shit reasons when he should know better. Look at original post. When Questioned he states that it was for the purposes of promoting activity and discussion. Which is fine. But then I ask why not push lurkers as they are hurting the game more than yamato or Rise were at that point as both had posted pretty recently. Tries to say that not pushing lurkers makes me scum which is fucking absurd. Hapa proceeds to go apeshit and omgus me and tunnel me which is not the reaction I would expect from a town hapa who almost always gives me a town read in similar circumstances. He then misinterprets and misrepresents things that I say in order to paint me as scummy and discredit my view of his scummines to the point in which it seems as if it is deliberate and pushing an agenda rather than scumhunting and searching genuinely for my alignment. He flames and omgus' away regardless of what I say. Which is unlike any town hapa ever. He has never not called me town correctly aside from his scum game in mario. A lot of it is gut feeling and a complete wtf?!?! reaction to hapa going apeshit at the lightest and IMO justified pressure originally. | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:40 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay so basically it is more of a meta-read on Hapa you have? Why be so inconsistent then? Another question, Hapa is not in this game anymore, who do you want to lynch? It was a gut feeling. I was trying to fucking push and gauge his reaction. His reaction was to go fucking crazy with flames and OMGUS. Then IM like. Oh that is weird. Flame back a bit and here we are. Everyone fucking sheeping hapa with no actual input or case and me being on the table for a day one mislynch for the fourth game in a row rofl. | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:42 jaybrundage wrote: So far phantom votes on you Me Hapa ShiaoPi And possible Xantols and it takes 5 to hammer. ew. I can't believe I am this bad as town day one always. | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:46 Hapahauli wrote: Remember when you called Xatalos scummy as shit? Yeah I guess you forgot about that huh? Yeah. He is. But I am not certain. Holy fuck dude I change my mind and am unsure as a townie with no info on day one. That doesn't sound plausible at all now does it? | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:49 Hapahauli wrote: Honestly no. The tunneling process is how I vindicate my read on someone. I'm leaning very heavily scum on you, but I'm not 100% convinced. The percentage is ticking up rather quickly though. lovely. :/ well don't try and hammer me while I am gone that's all I can ask. I can tell you right now though. If you are town. I am town, I am not being mislynched and we should be friends. | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:52 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah, but how the hell did you change your mind so quickly? You just called Xatalos "scummy as shit" barely an hour ago. Then all of a sudden you're unsure again? Holy fuck. What do you not understand about this. I am town. I have no additional info. I have to figure shit out. The way I figure shit out is to have ideas and then alter these ideas with changing info or more thought applied to the problem. Whilst I was flaming with you I was thinking about Xatalos. Now the thing about Xatalos is that he is a pretty bad townie. He likes to sheep and he changes his mind. Changing your mind is a pretty bad thing to do as scum because people such as yourself for some reason view it as scummy, and as scum you don't need to change your mind. You can defend someone you know will flip town and be fully justified in doing that later when he flips. You can also tunnel people as long as they aren't your buddies, and even then you can do so. So changing his mind/sheeping was originally scummy but not with some further thought applied. His list post irks me as all lists post do in general HOWEVER re reading it actually contained decent content and seemed to fit someone trying to figure shit out. Not scummy. So. He is back to null after reevaluation and I need to figure some other shit out. Savvy? | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:58 jaybrundage wrote: now your assuming hapa is town again.... Yep. Fuck you. ##Vote: jaybrundage | ||
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I am not convinced hapa is town but I also don;t want to lynch the most active player. I am pretty furious with jay right now so my vote stays for now. I am going to read his last game and check his meta. anyone around to chat? | ||
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Also just reading through all the posts since I have been asleep I noticed something weird. It seems as if Jaybrundage and Xatalos have been pushing the same agenda and using very similar reasoning despite extremely limited in thread interaction. Now I know we can't make association cases before a flip, but I thought that I would mention it in case someone else had noticed the same thing. | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:48 Hapahauli wrote: Funny, but fairly irrelevant. In fact, mafia buddies often won't push the same mislynch early Day 1 Do you have any individually focused thoughts on Jay and Xatalos? Not really. I went and read through J's filter for Hero mini and it seemed he was a lot more engaged in that game than he has been in this game. I didn't notice any sniping on a player that was under fire either. In fact in that game I would not be voting for him. The thing is though that one game of meta is not enough to make me feel comfortable lynching someone. His sniping at me was such an obvious misinterpretation that I feel Justified in my vote for him. The problem is I could see a townie doing that too. Eh. If it comes down to it, If I had to lynch someone right now I would be lynching Rise or MrZ for lurking straight up. Rise as a fairly obvious smurf should know better as it is. And I am sick of Mr Z trolling to make himself unreadable. | ||
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##Vote: Riseagain This shit aint moving until he shows up and does something. | ||
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On January 06 2013 10:25 Hapahauli wrote: @ DP What's the sense in voting for someone that's likely to get replaced? Also I'm rather surprised to see you not following up on Jay at all. If he get's replaced I'll move my vote. I did follow up on J. I read his entire filter from hero mini mafia and some of the context. The thing is that aside from his sniping which I could see a townie doing I wouldn't want to lynch him. He has contributed to the discussion, and even though I don't agree with a lot of what he says I can't justify a lynch on him at the moment. He has scumhunted. He has been fairly active. He has been fairly open to discussion. The one thing that worries me is that in Hero he seemed to be more engaged in the byplay than he has been this game but the difference is minimal and as I just said it isn't enough to lynch him for. Basically If I left my vote on Jay it would be solely for the sniping/misinterpretation and that isn't enough for me. Basically I have no solid solid reads at this juncture. And my largest read previously (you) is acting quite townie and has justified what I viewed as extreme confirmation bias in tunnelling me with a townie motive. So it's down to voting lurkers for the time being. | ||
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On January 06 2013 10:27 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding Shaio, he's pretty lurky as town too. I hate it, but it is what it is. Can't get a read on the guy if he ain't around. Yeah but it is worse as scum. | ||
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On January 06 2013 10:39 jaybrundage wrote: ugh im frustrated non else things that CC is scummy. DP thoughts on my two cc cases? And hapa why are you convinced CC is townie he hasn't wrote a single case on his reads. It would also suck if Rise got replaced. I just want him to come back tho. ShaioPi lets see ya BRB going to reread them. Pretty comfortable in a townie cc read right now though. | ||
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He has been transparent enough and done enough to be considered quite townie. | ||
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On January 06 2013 11:17 MrZentor wrote: I like to wait until the second day. c: it's been 48 hours consider this the second day :O | ||
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##unvote we are minus a lurker and up someone who posts a lot. <3 OK. so Here is some thoughts for you all.. Town reads Mr CC. Townish person that I am paranoid as fuck about. Hapa. rest null. So you can see my problem here. I can;t really see a good lynch at this point in time. Like, I could probably lynch Mr Z but that would be just because I don't like his playstyle. Don't really want to lynch yamato, nor ZB, nor Jay just yet. It will probably be coming down between Shiao and Xatalos. Both were opportunistic with hopping on and off my bandwagon. Ready? FIGHT! | ||
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Time to build a case on CC. anyone want my comments on anything? I have been sleeping a lot SO the last 140 odd posts are fresh in my mind from reading them after I got up. | ||
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On January 07 2013 08:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Tell me why - besides my "lack of cases" Allow me <3 It's in the works presently. | ||
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On January 07 2013 08:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: DP didn't you think I was town and stuff? Also, how did you suddenly think Xatalos was town? Yeah I did think you were town. But your posts ever since that stream of conciousness post changed my mind. I thought Xatalos was town because many, many times it was stated in the thread exactly why people thought he was scummy. And what did he do? he continued to do those exact things in the pursuit of other players. I.E. He didn't give a fuck about looking scummy, which is not something I would expect newbie scum to pull. He also changed his mind a lot even though he knew it would get him in trouble. after CASES were being made about that very thing he continued to do it. Didn't care about being scummy. = Town Didn't alter his play when it was obviously getting him into shit = Town Continued to pursue his reads with the whole thread calling him out for them = Town So yeah. By the end I think it was fairly obvious that Xatalos was town. I don't really blame people for voting for him. I just wish I had gotten up in time to change things. | ||
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On January 07 2013 09:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: What posts are it? How did they change your mind? You were pretty sure I was town. You were also pretty sure Xatalos was scummy, and did nothing to prevent his lynch. In fact, you just told them both to fight. Now you come in here right after he's lynched, conveniently, and 180 your read on both of us? Seems a bit odd. I just explained exactly why. and it wasn't sudden. I think you'll find that my read on Xatalos went something like this Null > Scummy > Null > Scummy > Townie I explained my thought processes behind xatalos in a previous post they changed when ZB came in proclaiming him to be scum and after reading his Gdocs. And then changed again when I read all the posts from whilst I was asleep. More/Changing Information = Different and more accurate reads. I fail to see what is 'odd' about it. | ||
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On January 07 2013 09:23 MrZentor wrote: Everybody's panicking because we didn't lynch scum first day. lolololololol Hardly panicking lol. It does suck to mislynch but as you imply it is quite expected day one. | ||
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OK so CC was happily a town read of mine for the kind of weak reason that he didn't try to do the obvious thing and sheep hapa like many others did during our showdown. In fact he was kind of reasonable and said that we were probably both townies and we should shut it. All good, town read from there. Things changed after this Post This is downright claiming scum in my eyes. This post achieves absolutely nothing for town. It shares no positive information for town. what does CC do here? Analysis? NO. Scumhunt? NO. Try and figure some shit out? NO. What CC does here is pick the three weakest players in the game and fucking heap shit on them with shitty one liners that achieve absolutely nothing. All he does is heap shit on three players that I would consider easy lynchbait based on their play so far. There is ZERO actual thought in the post. Following this post and hapa's disapproval of it CC;s plays deteriorates starkly. a series of smarmy one liners are followed by these. On January 07 2013 05:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Yes he's suspicious. But not moreso than Xatalos or Yamato. You're taking my stream post really seriously. Stream of consciousness is what you think the instant you read it, not after you give it thought. But I stand by what I said about SP -- he was reluctant to lynch anybody, then he gets a vote by Xatalos and was like WELP, LYNCH THIS DUDE. It's scummy, yeah, but it doesn't change my reads on the other two. Although I do appreciate your paranoia -- it's making me think you're so townie right now. Here he is trying to play down the value of his stream of his scummy post. If it wasn't meant to be taken seriously why is he heaping shit on lynchbait for no reason? Then he stands by what he said in the same sentence. Townies are not wishy-washy when they heap shit on people like that. they mean it. They believe it. They do not downplay it. Look at the difference to CC's response to pressure in contrast to jay for example. The next part is the Bolded. Buddying hapa who is on his case. CC has already stated his town read on hapa. Why does he feel the need when pressured by Hapa to proclaim hapa's townieness? He is trying to buddy hapa to get him off his case. That's why. Moving on. On January 07 2013 05:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Xatalos Obviously nobody likes your vote on Yamato. I'm pretty scummy right now - just look at the horrible stream of consciousness post. You've had it in for me all game. You totes want to lynch me right now. Jay does too, and Hapa thinks I'm totes a scumster. Maybe I could die today. Why won't you vote me?  Another useless post, matyring but joking about it. I don't like it. It's useless, aside from heaping some shit on lynchbait. When CC is asked for his conclusions and reads he gives the weakest sentence for each player he thinks is scummy. On January 07 2013 06:07 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Conclusions? I hate Yamato's reasoning for voting Mr. Z. Could be scum trying to push the easiest player to lynch. (Mr. Z is an easy target, he even says it himself). SP OMGUS votes Xatalos even though he "isn't sure" about lynching anybody. I'm actually not sure if it's a town reaction or scum reaction. Maybe you can provide some insight on this. Xatalos still scummy as hell, not committing on reads, and discrediting his own when he has them. This is after he is ASKED to provide conclusions. Weak as shit. Just some generic shit on all of the weakest players. And that is the problem also. What do scum do at their most basic level? They find some bad players. Heap some shit on them. Say there is scum in that group. That is exactly what CC has done this game. Finally. After I show up and call out CC he almost immediately sets up to OMGUS me. His town read even during the hapa mess. On January 07 2013 08:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: DP didn't you think I was town and stuff? Also, how did you suddenly think Xatalos was town? On January 07 2013 09:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: What posts are it? How did they change your mind? You were pretty sure I was town. You were also pretty sure Xatalos was scummy, and did nothing to prevent his lynch. In fact, you just told them both to fight. Now you come in here right after he's lynched, conveniently, and 180 your read on both of us? Seems a bit odd. Here is the kicker. What the fuck is he actually saying with "Seems a bit odd?" is he calling me scummy as soon as I cease my town read on him? It is just the kind of wishy-washy statement that scummers love to make. And it is incredibly obvious that his attitude towards me changes when my read on him changes. Add to that Minimal scumhunting lot's of one liners that do not actually say anything and a facade of activity without content and I feel pretty solid in a CC lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On January 08 2013 01:55 Hapahauli wrote: @ DP Where were you most of yesterday? I understand you live on the other side of the world, but your contributions to the thread after I called you town have been really lacking. Before the CC case, you basically were seemingly helpless and calling a bunch of people null. Not only that, but you were absent right until the flip, at which point you start saying that Xatalos was "obv-town", yet did absolutely nothing to stop his lynch. As for your CC case, I'll make my final thoughts on players before the deadline tonight. I was asleep. I posted as soon as i woke up. | ||
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On January 08 2013 06:22 Hapahauli wrote: @ Yamato: You trusted MrZ because he didn't hammer vote... The fuck? @ DP How about the day before - you really haven't been all that active of late The day before I was defending myself against you. Yeah I haven't been as active as normal, but that is mainly because it is the middle of summer here and I have been going outside and doing other things aside from mafia. I don't think I have been useless, I had trouble getting a read earlier but now I have a pretty solid scum read on CC. I find it very interesting that he is just flat out refusing to comment on my case other than saying I am right and he is scummy. Perhaps that is because he knows I am correct. | ||
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On January 08 2013 06:55 Hapahauli wrote: What makes this situation different from your town case on Xatalos? CC's play seems to fit the bolded pretty well. Because That is not the reason he is scummy. The reason he is scummy is clearly laid out in my case. The reason people viewed xatalos as scummy were mainly from things that could easily come from a townie. However CC is scummy for entirely different reasons. Xatalos didn't care about being scummy in terms of he continued to alter his position and scumhunt in his own way despite those things making him look bad. CC just ignored a case against him entirely. In his pursuit of doing nothing but shitting on lynch bait all game. the differences are stark. | ||
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On January 08 2013 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @DP I get that you think I'm scum and all, but curious, who is your second scum read besides me? Who is my potential scumbuddy? I don't care at this moment. I think you are scum. once you flip I will look for your buddy, | ||
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On January 08 2013 07:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: And what happens when i flip town, darth? Expected response: you won't well. If you flip town It will be bad. But If I expected that to happen I wouldn't want to lynch you would I? | ||
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On January 08 2013 07:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Let's just think about why you guys believe I'm scummy: Because I'm open about all of my reads and call people out on shit. I'm taking stances and trying to read people. Scummy? Perhaps in the way I was going about it. Does it mean I'm scum? No. And you really should consider that before you all suddenly vote me tomorrow. Scum will definitely want to push this lynch. At least give a suitable amount of discussion time; the day better not end super friggen quickly with my town flip. Matyring is not going to get you anywhere with me. and I would hardly call you heaping shit on all of the easiest lynches scumhunting or trying to read people. | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:09 Hapahauli wrote: Well we know for a fact that scum know the setup and blues. Given this, the named VT out there needs to claim (if there is one). Parity cop obviously shouldn't claim. Why should anyone claim when we can know the setup from roleblocks? | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I do think the named vt should claim. Roleblock claims are iffy. Hapa dies tomorrow night anyway so they arent in danger of NK really. how the fuck are roleblock claims iffy? and how do you know hapa will die tomorrow night? | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Because scum can fakeclaim being roleblocked? I've seen my scumbuddy do it in my only scumgame. And because doctors can't heal the same target twice. This is assuming Hapa was shot, of course. I'm pretty sure he was and protected, it's the easiest explanation. What doctor wouldn't protect Hapa? What scum would shoot hapa in a setup in which it's quite likely he is protected? For that reason it is entirely plausible that both scum and the medic chose a secondary target. | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I don't like the fact that he just shows up randomly minutes after the lynch and 180's his reads on me and Xatalos. It doesn't make him scum, though. He's one of the more townier people so I definitely wouldn't lynch him today. So wishy washy. Yeah I don;t agree with hapa's town read on you. like I would have earlier but you have actually contributed nothing whilst appearing active and townish. That is the hallmark of non useless scum play. Look town, contribute nothing substantial and find a mislynch in a group of several weaker players. Check, Check and Check. | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:24 Z-BosoN wrote: DP don't go anywhere, you aussy mufucka. Aside from CC, who do you think is scum? Do you agree with Hapa's assessment on ShiaoPi? Shiao is hard to read as he lurks hard as each alignment. The thing with shiao though is that later on in the game as town he may just randomly solve the game. AS scum he will continue to be useless. CC is my strongest read. I want to see him flip. If he flips scum though I think yamato and shiao are both probably town. I fucking hate Mr Z's playstyle but he is looking townie also. so it would come down to you or jay. This is assuming hapa is confirmed at some stage when the medic claims. | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Your confirmation bias is stunning. You haven't done anything this game but argue with Hapa, let the Xatalos lynch happen, and then proceed to tunnel me blindly. Everyone keeps saying I'm not contributing when I've actually given reads and comments on a bunch of people. Seriously. If you are town, proceed to find scum instead of beating my mislynch into the ground. I fail to see any confirmation bias. It is hilarious that you try and discredit my read of you that way, particularly after you yourself admitted you were scummy as shit. As for your 'contributions' You shat on weak players. That is about it. your one case was on confirmed lynch bait. Since then you have commented a whole bunch without contributing anything substantial or really scumhunting. Your contributions have consisted soley of sniping at shiao/yamato/xatalos and calling yourself townie and a mislynch. how about instead of continuing to be active without contributing, you make some cases, actually scum hunt and change my mind. | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:42 Z-BosoN wrote: Ok, so assume I'm town for now. Assuming this, what do you make of mrZ's latest post? Also, why is jay scum? Well Jay is scummy. But he is there mostly due to process of elimination. As I said previously, I have experienced particular difficulty in forming reads this game. It is frustrating and I am trying to push through it, but a large part of it is that there are a whole bunch of people that look scummy but are plausibly just lynchbait. Yamato, jay, shiao, Mr Z. all fit that group in my mind. I have mostly been trying to distinguish between bad town, scum, engaged scum, and town. | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: He's townier simply because their are scummier people. I'm starting to rethink my read on him simply because he's providing nothing to town other than tunneling me for "not contributing". I need to read SP and Yamato better due to this. Oh NOES I am pursuing my top scum read again. Holy shit guise. I must be scummer. OMGUS away buddy, | ||
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@ ZB have you dramatically altered your playstyle since the last time we played together? This is certainly not the town meta I remember from you. | ||
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On January 08 2013 09:49 Z-BosoN wrote: It's not the scum one either. It seems I'm very good at changing my playstyle game to game =) Well be careful. If you are too difficult to read hapa will tunnel you day one every game. And the entire town will sheep because hapa. ZZZ | ||
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On January 08 2013 09:57 Z-BosoN wrote: don't see the point of this, but I think it's something you can tell from my filter. scum: mr.CC, mr.Z town: Hapa and you So how do you reconcile hapa's strong town reads on both your top scum reads with your strong town read on hapa? Is hapa flat out wrong? Are you wrong? | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:10 Z-BosoN wrote: Oh poor you. Your read doesn't come so easy though, so that's a plus right You know. I am rather worried about you ZB. For one. You have lost your shit at me almost every game we have played at one point or another. And this game you are down right friendly. There is something in your town meta which is a fucking rock solid solid solid tell that I have never mentioned, so I doubt you would be aware of it, that I have yet to see. Also you had like a massive lovefest with marv in that scum game you guys played so some of that was likely to have rubbed off on you. Caution is needed in your case I believe. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: LOL! I've been attacking you but you haven't responded in the slightest. Plus, that post of yours where you voted me I just went "lol", I'm not attacking you because you think I'm scum. Why don't you actually do something in this game Yamato. Everyone keeps saying that I'm "posting for posting" or blah blah blah. But you of all people should know I do that as town. A LOT. C'mon Yamato let's go. Tunnel me. @ bolded. He keeps doing it and it remains scummy as fuck. Baiting someone to tunnel you like that only serves to discredit and diminish yamato's read. He has done it with others also. I don't like it at all. @ Hapa how can you reconcile such behaviour with a town mindset? | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:18 Hapahauli wrote: How the fuck is the bolded a scum mindset. Are you retarded? How the fuck is it not. It is exactly what I would be saying in that situation as scum. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:21 Z-BosoN wrote: That's because you have yet to make a bad, illogical "I'M NOT READING" case against me. Even if you did make one though, I'd probably scream not at you but at those who follow it, given that YOU'RE thick as a brick. Big thing here is, and I hope you have learned that on mario, is that you shouldn't judge me by meta. Definitely be cautious with me, but see if I am pushing a scum agenda and/or my play makes no sense from a townie perspective, instead of going like meta meta meta as the other game. It should be obvious that I'm townie though, I'm trying like super hard this game >.< I am thick as a brick hey. Lovely. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:23 Z-BosoN wrote: Anyways DP, this isn't very productive. We should focus on other subjects, nay? What do you think of mr.Z and my discussion with hapa? MR Z is town. You are wrong. Hapa is right. Essentially. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:25 Z-BosoN wrote: Why do you think he is town? Just meta or are you reading a word I'm saying? He acted the same as town in witchcraft. He has had made reads both scum and town that were sensible. His flow chart was off the wall townie as hapa said. I hate the way he plays. He certainly trolls somewhat. But that does not make him scum and I haven't seen anything that would alter my town read on him. Calling out the way you entered the thread was null to me. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:23 Hapahauli wrote: Firstly, you are not CC. Secondly, attracting suspicion to yourself isn't scummy. I find those things town in general. At the very least it should be null. Yes, attracting suspicion to yourself IS townie. But that is exactly what you do if you are playing that style as scum. And he has done it pretty much everytime someone has called him out. Which causes me to read it as a heuristic to diminish suspicion by emulating a townie reaction, rather than a genuine show of emotion that has not been premeditated. One is townie the other is scummy. CC is scummy. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:42 MrZentor wrote: The chart was really easy to make. And your other question wasn't worth answering. That's fine. IDGAF about 'effort' as scum you can make a large effort posting bullshit cases and look townie. What I do care about is that the content of the chart contained a thought process that closely mirrored my own at the time and was quite revealing of MR Z's own thought process. I just don't see scum putting all their cards on the table like that because if that ever conflicted with scums agenda there would be no way to explain the fact that it was a radical departure from their previous thinking. You are free to disagree. But that chart seemed really townie to me. | ||
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On January 08 2013 11:15 jaybrundage wrote: I would be done for a Shaiopi lynch. Also DP why would you think im scum. If CC comes up as scum. Pushing your partner hard when there is only 2 scum is pretty stupid Process of elimination. Like I said. But yeah, obviously if cc flips red then I would need to look at things again. | ||
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On January 08 2013 12:26 Hapahauli wrote: Does it make sense from a scum perspective to shower suspicion on yourself? Scum mentality is to avoid the spotlight and blend in. CC is doing the exact opposite. Do I agree with how CC is playing? No. But that doesn't mean he's scum, because his play makes zero sense from that perspective. This is fucking bullshit hapa. His play makes perfect sense as scum. | ||
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On January 08 2013 12:57 Hapahauli wrote: DP. You're telling me that you read the last few pages and you still think CC is scum... All his behaviour recently can plausibly be by an active scum. I don't really want to lynch him as much as I did and am starting to look at others if that makes you feel better. But I don't have the dead set town read you do, not even close, a lot of what you are saying about him is subjective/WIFOM, but being presented as an objective truth. Which is bullshit. | ||
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On January 08 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote: There seems to be a disconnect over what we think a hypothetical Mr.CC scum is capable of. Too right. | ||
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His behaviour towards me is directly correlated to the consensus of the thread. He starts off heaping shit on me when the whole town is sheeping hapa day one and I am universally unpopular. Then when everyone calls me town he still maintains suspicion of me publicly. HOWEVER he did nothing to back up that suspicion, barely interacted with me and has seemingly forgotten his suspicions of me without a reasonable explanation why. Townies do not let scum reads just drop off the face of the earth without reason. ##Vote Jay | ||
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On January 08 2013 13:12 Hapahauli wrote: Listen. Yes I am critiquing your cases, because I disagree with you. That's part of the process here. For example, you think that him drawing attention to himself in such a manner is scummy. That's just simply not a scum tell. I think you'll find in a lot of your past games, that the scum aren't the ones drawing attention to themselves. They aren't the ones that OMGUS, are raving lunatics, or get into crazy fights. They are very often the ones blending in and hiding. You just finished Yet Another Normal Mini Mafia, right? Who was scum - Dr. Wiggles, Vivax, and Sciberia. They weren't super-active spammy dudes. They were for the most part trying to blend behind the scenes. The player under intense scrutiny and drawing attention to himself (Promethelax) was town. Then you have Newbie XXXII, where Rad and Oatsmaster were scum. Rad for the most part dropped a big case once in a while and blended in. Oatsmaster was active and spammy, but was so whiney compared to his towny self. So when I see you making this read on Mr.CC, I'm not attacking it to be an asshole. I'm attacking it because I believe it's fundamentally wrong, and I feel like I'm watching my less-experienced past self OMGUS townies into oblivion (which I did and still do with extreme regularity). And I'm sorry I'm being dickish about it, but I do feel very strongly about it. That is only one way to play scum HAPA. You should know that there are other ways to play scum which CC's posting fits perfectly. Your heuristic is wrong/too narrow. | ||
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On January 08 2013 13:22 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah, I understand that scum can play actively. However, I have yet to run into a scum that draws attention to themselves in such a manner so deliberately, and at the same time remain that calm about it. There are a very short list of players I believe are capable of that. CC is most definitely not one of those players. But you have no evidence to suggest that he can't. What you are saying is that the entire basis of your defense of CC and trashing everyones case on him is a Hunch that he couldn't play that way? | ||
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On January 08 2013 13:44 jaybrundage wrote: Yes I Sheeped Hapa in that moment, as did most of the thread on his case on you. Then Hapa turned around and gave you a town read. He explained his thought process a bit but i wasnt quite convinced. Why is it wrong to not go with everyones reads. I see nothing wrong with being suspicious of you. Would you pref i just sheep whatever the fuck hapa is saying. I then asked him again how many games he played with you has he been able to read you well before and he gave me two instances when he correctly read you as town. So with the new information i decided that I could change my read on you as scum to leaning townie. I didn't just drop my scummy read. I looked at new information presented and changed it accordingly. I believe you do the same. Yeah but you never informed anyone of your change of read. It was DP still scummy yo. To DP is townie now. So what you are saying is that you sheeped hapa when you thought I was scummy and sheeped hapa now you think I am townie. I wish people would stop sheeping hapa. | ||
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On January 08 2013 13:48 jaybrundage wrote: DP how do you feel about a Shaiopi lynch i think his stark inactivity could hurt us whether hes scum or town? Nah. Your scum. I want to lynch you brah. | ||
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On January 08 2013 15:17 Hapahauli wrote: I'm curious DP, why did you end up moving off of CC? I get that you think Jay is scummy, but you were balls out convinced forrrrrevvvvverrrr that CC was scum. Did I move off cc? I said his recent posts were townie, and now I am focusing on jay. I am not too stubborn to ignore your opinions altogether. Do I think there is a good chance cc is scum? yes. Is jay scummier right now? yes. I swear to god if I was still tunnelling cc you would be like: Hey DP Y U still tunnel townie cheesecake? | ||
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On January 08 2013 16:07 jaybrundage wrote: Some reasons of my scummyness would be great thx You don't care if the person you lynch is town or scum. How about that? | ||
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Well no point in not doing this now. I am Named VT. i.e. A House of Parliament. | ||
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Firstly, I don't see a scum yamato hammering Xatalos like he did. Three people hadn't voted yet, there was no reason to draw attention to himself with the hammer. Obviously that could be the very reason he did it but I don't see newer scum players such as yamato having the balls to do that. Secondly, his suspicion and push of CC, although proven wrong now, Seemed very genuine. He put a lot of time and effort into pursuing his top scum read DESPITE hapa fucking nailing him to the wall for it the entire time. Like, pushing CC as scum with hapa all over you for it and continuing to do so whilst faking the kind of frustration yamato was showing is very difficult and highly unlikely. He pursued his top scum read DESPITE also having to flame with hapa to do so. He could have pushed far easier targets but PERSISTED despite much adversity. Yeah so I am NOT down for a yamato lynch and I suggest everyone think long and hard about their read of him. REMEMBER being wrong does not = Scum. In fact it is regularly a trait of being townie. | ||
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On January 09 2013 11:51 Hapahauli wrote: @ DP Who do you think is scum right now DP? Two of dandel, Jay, MR Z MAYBE, MAYBE ZB is in that group. But that is a far more difficult proposition. Also. Hapa CC and I are all confirmed town. So you can trust our intentions completely if you are town. | ||
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On January 09 2013 11:54 Dandel Ion wrote: Ya I disagree. Since when do you have to flame other people to push your lynch? It's perfectly possible without doing that. When you're town that is. Frustration will come up naturally when nobody wants to lynch your lynch. Don't see the townread. The hammering is null at best, since it can be seen as wifom. Being wrong is definetly NOT a town-tell. Stop that thinking. Your townread doesn't seem to be based on much. He didn't choose to flame. Hapa went at him hard and he persisted with his scum read. Your first point is trash. Frustration is one of the hardest emotions to fake genuinely. It was the main reason people correctly read me as town in this game. Second point is trash. Hammering is not null just because you say so. My point stands because it is unlikely for scum to want to put themselves in the spotlight. All the reasons hapa said CC was town earlier apply to the hammer of Yamato and Yamato is far less likely to try shenanigans than CC. It seems to me that you don;t want Confirmed town giving town reads on lynch bait. In fact. I can lynch you comfortably from just this post. ##Unvote ##Vote: Dandel Ion | ||
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On January 09 2013 12:00 MrZentor wrote: I'm starting to feel like Hapa is the only one who can read me. :/ You have no one to blame for that but yourself IMO | ||
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Well. That is not going to prove you are town. I suggest you try something else. | ||
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On January 10 2013 10:37 Dandel Ion wrote: You don't understand man. They're all just that scummy. What was the point of calling me scummy when I was confirmed blue? What was the reason you used the word bus when talking about someone voting you? What purpose did you see behind descending to semi-trolling when it gets closer and closer to your lynch? | ||
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OK. If he is town after writing this before his lynch he deserves to die. Holy shit dude. | ||
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On January 10 2013 10:43 Dandel Ion wrote: You deserve to die for being so useless. You think your play is anywhere near acceptable? Man.... What is the point of this? Does this give us info to work off if you flip green? No. Does it give us info to go off if you flip red? No Maybe that is the point hey? | ||
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On January 10 2013 10:51 Dandel Ion wrote: Maybe it'll motivate you into doing something. Would be a start. I am not going to be baited into a flame war with you, although that is obviously your intention and despite my penchant for getting drawn into/starting flame wars. | ||
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On January 10 2013 10:54 Dandel Ion wrote: I'll make sure you make true on that. We can talk again once you remove your confirmation bias. If you are actually town and you think this is confirmation bias you have gone full retard I am afraid. | ||
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Seeing as I have town reads on pretty much everyone left scum is fooling me hard. ugh. This is probably been the most difficult game in terms of establishing solid reads I have ever played. Confirmed Town DP CC HAPA Townie but I am paranoid as fuck about ZB So that leaves. Yamato who I thought was town and still do. Mr Z who is impossible to read but doesn't seem blatantly scummy Jay Whom I have had a scum read and a town read on. Ugh. Just Ugh. | ||
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So I am calling 2 of ZB, Mr Z, Jay. | ||
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Things I learnt. Mr Z is town. Yamato is town. Therefore I am calling a Jay Z-Boson scum team. Zb is a difficult person to push. There is nothing blatantly scummy in his filter, and he has done well to promote an appearance of usefulness. Really well. But my town reads on MR Z and yamato are more solid than my read on ZB and by process of elimination he must be scum. | ||
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He has done less than MR Z and Yamato to convince me he is green. Also his backflip on MR Z was fucking amazing and to me read as disingenuous. | ||
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On January 11 2013 10:59 Hapahauli wrote: How the hell does stuff like that come that easily? GAH. You were foaming at the mouth that he was scum. this | ||
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On January 11 2013 11:15 yamato77 wrote: You know what, no. Z-Bo isn't scum. I refuse to follow along with Zentor's bullshit plan. If you guys aren't lynching him I want to lynch Jay. What the fuck is this shit Yamato. Am I actually wrong about you and Jay? | ||
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On January 11 2013 11:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: So darth what are you up to right now? I am packing up my shit because I am about to move house. I am also eating lunch and checking the thread intermittently :D | ||
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I moving from the city out to the suburbs. | ||
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No need to rush anything at this point. ZB is my number one target right now. But I think I need to re-read the entire game. | ||
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##Vote: Z-boson Here's hoping I don't fuck it up into my first loss as town. | ||
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On January 11 2013 14:16 jaybrundage wrote: How many times have you played mafia in general also how many times were you scum/town this is my 11th game. 4 scum games 7 town games. Haven't lost since my first newbie in which I was scum. | ||
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On January 11 2013 15:38 jaybrundage wrote: You gotta wonder who Yamato is gonnna kill tonite. My bet is to end it all with a bullet to the brain :o He will kill CC probably. | ||
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