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On January 11 2013 08:43 Hapahauli wrote:
@Z-Bo
Didn't have time 2 play today.
Also, the whole reason we're in this mess is because the town has been too dependent on me for discussion rather than generating discussion themselves. If you're town, you have the opportunity to prove me wrong in the next few hours and tomorrow.
Yea but then when I came in you backed off and left it to me to sprout discussion. Discussion in which I tried to include you in and now is being referred to as "seeking approval".
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Anyways, I'm heading off to the gym, had a stressful day
I'll be back later
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On January 11 2013 08:48 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 08:46 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 11 2013 08:43 Hapahauli wrote:
@Z-Bo
Didn't have time 2 play today.
Also, the whole reason we're in this mess is because the town has been too dependent on me for discussion rather than generating discussion themselves. If you're town, you have the opportunity to prove me wrong in the next few hours and tomorrow. Yea but then when I came in you backed off and left it to me to sprout discussion. Discussion in which I tried to include you in and now is being referred to as "seeking approval". The approval stuff is wider than that. I keep telling you not to do it, and you kept doing it. Anyway, u still sold on MrZ/Jay scumteam?
Dude, what is wrong about wanting feedback from a confirmed townie? I have my own opinions and wanting to discuss them and hear your thoughts is not "seeking approval".
Read my scum filter in Hero, where I "seeked approval" from marv and see the difference of what I understand to be your point.
Im going to read over these last few pages later when I get back, but as it seems, it looks a hell of a lot like Jay decided to bus. mr.Z was townie to him all game along, and suddenly it's his strongest scumread.
I don't see yamato being scum really, so that's what's left. I will reevaluate tomorrow though, when I'm better informed.
Heading off for reals now
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@Mr.Z
You are pretty much full of shit.
On January 11 2013 08:52 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 08:49 jaybrundage wrote:On January 11 2013 08:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Jay
Who is Mr. Z's scumbuddy? Go. Z-Boson i said this in my case Except that Z-Boson is trying to get me lynched. Anybody who thinks I'm scum must think that scum is trying to bus. Which is extremely unlikely. -.-You guys aren't being logical.
Why is bussing extremely unlikely?? Where on earth is that a valid premise? It's not, scum bus all the time.
On January 11 2013 08:56 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 08:55 jaybrundage wrote:On January 11 2013 08:51 Hapahauli wrote:On January 11 2013 08:49 jaybrundage wrote:On January 11 2013 08:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Jay
Who is Mr. Z's scumbuddy? Go. Z-Boson i said this in my case That makes a terrible amount of sense. Yamato doesnt make any sense as Zentor as been pushing him sense day one. So that leaves Z-Boson. Also CC you not giving your thoughts on my case only limits discussion. The more we talk the better read you can have on me. Dont have a confirmation bias on me. As its only gonna make you mislynch me. Do you know why neither you, nor Z-Boson, nor even Yamato make sense as my scum partner? Because I don't have any. <3
Oh no, see, jay makes perfect sense as your scumbuddy. You keep passing it off as too stupid to be plausible (WIFOM), but lets look at jay's progression on his read on you throughout the game:
"Mr.Z is town because he thinks I'm town"
On January 10 2013 09:59 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:
So you think MrZ is town because he things you're town? Thats part of it. But i also explained it a bit somewhere in my filter
Then, Dandel comes out as town, hapa says mr.Z is assuredly scum, and lots and lots of pressure piling up on mr.Z:
"Hmm, I'll have to reconsider:"
On January 10 2013 17:16 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 16:46 yamato77 wrote:On January 10 2013 16:44 jaybrundage wrote:On January 10 2013 15:38 yamato77 wrote:
Moving forward, I think the best plan of action is to sit on the assumption that we can lynch Zentor at any point, and hunt for either his scum mate, or in the small likelihood that he's actually town, find the real scum. We can lynch anyone at anypoint. If it's very unlikely that hes town then why wouldn't you just lynch him? You should always lynch your best scum read. Never ever save a lynch for later on someone you think is scum. There's always the possibility that Zentor is town, isn't there? I mean we just saw a townie self-destruct yesterday. I agree he is probably scum, but even if he is I think the better move is to sit on the idea for at least a few hours. If you disagree, I want to know how you're so certain he'll flip. Im not really certain about anything at this point. We still have a similar pool to lynch in but I have added Zentor to that lynch. I'm not as sure as i was about him as before. His im not going to post crap was dumb to say the least.
And then, finally, mr.Z is definitely scum:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112¤tpage=75#1483
Does this seem natural to anyone else? Also, look at one of the reasoning jay in his case on mr.Z:
When someone questions him on his town reads. And why hes so confident in them. he comes back with that he is right.
They were all confirmed town. How could he be so confident unless he knows more then the regular townie would. He would know if he was scum.
Suddenly the very same reason that was used to make mr.Z town is being warped to make him scum. Jay is warping reasons to suit his purposes, so that's pretty much BS. None of the things in Jay's case were discussed by him. He's been pressuring mr.Z as town for quite a while, with this suspicious as fuck last minute switch.
Think if this makes ANY sense from a town perspective. Also, note how uncharacteristically long jay's case is. It's meant to be convincing and big and townie looking. When Jay was townie in Hero Mafia, there is not a single case that looks anything like it. Here is from the last few pages of his play in hero, which actually got to mylo:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=56992¤tpage=5
See the difference?
Mr.Z's meta is off, as I've showed here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112¤tpage=62#1235
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Don't hammer me you idiots, I'm town.
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No, you've had your bullshitting, it's my turn to show that you are pretty full of it
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Observe how jay will suddenly get convinced I'm scum despite his enourmous and thought out post on mr.Z
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Anyone please tell me if this can come from a townie:
On January 08 2013 08:32 MrZentor wrote:
Also, if Z Boson were town, he'd probably be dead.
He was a perfect alternative to Hapa, because the scum knew that if there were a doctor, the doctor would surely protect Hapa. This make Z Boson a safe kill for night one.
And his entrance and excuse are scummy.
On January 09 2013 06:57 MrZentor wrote:
You're lucky RiseAgain was obvi town. lol
On January 10 2013 07:03 MrZentor wrote:
Z-Boson has always looked and been pretty town.
He just doesn't know how to read me. Also, he doesn't realize he doesn't know how to read me.
Which is kind of annoying.
On January 09 2013 07:19 MrZentor wrote:
Z-BosoN, you're silly and bad at reading both me and Jay.
I know you're town, but wasting your time accusing me, even though quite a few other townies KNOW I'm not scum, is foolish.
Go pressure somebody who is actually scum.
What does the first post have to do with the other three? If I had been town all along, why the sudden suspicion? He is bullshitting and you guys are choosing not to see it.
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On January 11 2013 11:17 MrZentor wrote:
And Yamato won't lynch Z-Bo, as predicted.
I thought you guys would put a little bit more of a fight. XD
Oh, that's right, because scum never bus each other right? I told him, my scum buddy, to not bus me because that would be bad!
Sorry dude, I'm capable enough to bus, see my filter in hero. That's a pretty pathetic excuse, he just realized you are scum
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On January 11 2013 11:18 MrZentor wrote:
Wow, my read on you transitioned from town to scum.
Who would a thunked it?
No, you put suspicion on me even though I'd always been town. Now why would you go ahead and do that? Give me one good reason, just one
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On January 11 2013 11:19 MrZentor wrote:
Nah, regardless of whether he bussed you or not, I would have still lynched him back.
And you realize this.
You realize there is no benefit to having him bus you.
Lol, dude, you're crumbling up. What do you think is going on our little QT?
Hey yama, tell everyone you think I'm town. Actually no, wait, say that I'm scum now. Say that you are going to bus me. No, wait, don't bus me.
This is your idea? Laughable
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On January 11 2013 11:21 MrZentor wrote:Because you're not town; you're scum. Man, that was easy. 
How does that make any sense? Why give me suspicion when you thought I'd always been town? Or had you secretly thought I was scum all along?? Nah, you are trying to bs your way out and I need to show that you are pretty full of it.
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Yea Hapa just bought your BS when I wasn't around. He drew the obvious conclusion long ago:
On January 10 2013 11:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Zentor seems almost assuredly scum at this point.
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On January 11 2013 11:25 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 11:22 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 11 2013 11:19 MrZentor wrote:
Nah, regardless of whether he bussed you or not, I would have still lynched him back.
And you realize this.
You realize there is no benefit to having him bus you. Lol, dude, you're crumbling up. What do you think is going on our little QT? Hey yama, tell everyone you think I'm town. Actually no, wait, say that I'm scum now. Say that you are going to bus me. No, wait, don't bus me. This is your idea? Laughable Where did I say that was my idea? My idea was that Yamato bluffed in saying that you were scum with me, but now he won't vote for you. But it's not as if I can convince scum to suddenly turn into a townsperson. lol Talking to you is a waste, so I'll be ignoring future comments.
what are you talking about? Yea ok, dodge the question then scram. Hope everyone is following this little bit cause it makes no sense
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Oh, and yes, to anyone who really thinks me and yamato are scum, you are out of your damn minds
On January 10 2013 11:02 Blazinghand wrote:Vote Count MrZentor (1): Yamato77Dandel Ion (5): DarthPunk, MrZentor, Hapahauli, jaybrundage, Mr. Cheesecake - Not Voting (3): Z-Boson, Dandel Ion 5 votes are required to lynch.
On January 10 2013 11:02 Blazinghand wrote:Vote Count MrZentor (1): Yamato77 Dandel Ion (5): DarthPunk, MrZentor, Hapahauli, jaybrundage, Mr. Cheesecake - Not Voting (3): Z-Boson, Dandel Ion 5 votes are required to lynch.
Yea I'd go with the second one
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Of course I'm getting desperate, town is derping around when it's so fucking clear who the scum team is
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Ok, so both scum were on the first one, but then both scum decided to avoid the spotlight on the second one?? That makes more sense than
one scum parking their vote somewhere else in one lynch with the other one helping out and then both of them being on the second lynch?
Just use occams razor ffs
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On January 11 2013 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:
##Vote Z-Boson
Oh god, I hadn't even seen this. You need to stop screwing around and read, ffs, it's so godamn obvious
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On January 11 2013 11:39 MrZentor wrote:
And Yamato comes in and defends Z-Boson. lol
Whatever yamato does you are going to say lol. If he wanted to lynch me you'd say lol. Seems you are the one getting desperate huh
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Hapa derped in his meeting or whatever. I'm not scum so he's clearly wrong >.<
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