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Dandel's entrance is very unsatisfactory, imo. His entire analysis ends with the conclusion that me and yamato are scum, and that we have a pretty easy game:
yamato or Rise should be day1 lynch candidates.
Looks like a pretty easy game, which means I prolly missed something.
And in his entrance his opinions don't change all that much:
On January 09 2013 11:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
Most likely is yamato + Zbo imo.
yamato + zentor possible, but I admit I have no clue how to read that guy.
For some reason, he quickly changes his read on yamato:
On January 09 2013 22:31 Dandel Ion wrote:
Actually I changed my mind, I don't wanna lynch yamato today.
He might still be scum, but it's gotten pretty unlikely imo.
I can't fathom what is it that yamato said in this 11-hour period that so quickly changed his mind. Which, was incidentally after this post from hapa:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112¤tpage=57#1138
In which he gave yama a slight town read
DP has put forth his reasoning as to why he thinks yamato is town, and dandel heavily disagreed with it, but didn't include any reasoning of his own.
I am wondering right now what changed Dandel's mind so quickly in 11 hours as to supplant a read that came with more than a day's worth of analysis.
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@Dandel
If you mean this post:
On January 10 2013 04:09 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 03:52 Hapahauli wrote:@ DandelWon't lie, I really want to lynch you right now. Mainly for this: On January 09 2013 10:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'd totally lynch yamato.
Other scum most likely Zbo. On January 09 2013 10:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw I would have lynched Shiao after yamato too, but can we like, not do that now?
Would be nice. What is even the point of these comments? The only purpose for stuff like this is to agree with people, and not to serve any town objectives. You just replaced in, and you even admitted to not being fully caught up: On January 09 2013 10:50 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 09 2013 10:46 Hapahauli wrote:On January 09 2013 10:44 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 09 2013 10:43 Hapahauli wrote:
What, are you town? Cause I think your PM says the opposite >> I am. Tho i understand you thinking otherwise. How caught-up are you into the game? You mentioned notes, but you basically called the two confirmed townies + the most obv-town player in the thread town so far. That's... not much. I did follow pretty closely up to... uhm night 1? or so then I kinda stopped. still read it casually thoI'm a bit tipsy atm, and not fully caught up, so I don't wanna vote pplz yet. Feel free to hammer him in the meantime if your so eager. I'm just gonna post the notes i did so far straight. I did em for me tho, so if ya dont understand something, jsut ask Basically, you're down for lynching Yamato (despite rarely mentioning Yamato in your "notes") despite only being caught up to page 17. Then all of a sudden when you "read" the game: On January 09 2013 23:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah no, yamato is prob town. Yeah. That is an accurate recap of what happened. See, I would've lynched yamato for his day 1 play. When I was just reading this thread on the side, I still thought yam was being scummy for getting so irrationally angry and how he went about that anger. Now I read more than that closely, it's likely to be a town anger. Also yam is just an irrationally angry dude, not a scumtell for him. Kinda like Eywa, but without the modkills.
You add a reasoning that basically warps the same thing you used as a scumread into one that is a townread. That's awfully convenient once hapa changed his mind.
Are there more reasons as to why you suddenly changed your mind, or is this it?
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Oh, look at what I found in witchcraft. Look at reason #1:
On December 17 2012 05:28 MrZentor wrote:The List of Reasons Eywa isn't scum. (Although it should be pretty apparent to anybody that reads through his filter) 1. It's unlikely that mafia would flat out insult somebody; they want to be on everybody's good side, so that they don't get lynched
Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:17 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 03:15 MrZentor wrote:
I'm thinking. If you weren't so busy thinking about how awesome of a player you are, maybe you'd have an answer :-/. 2. ACOLYTE IS VANILLA TOWN. That's right; he didn't scum slip. 3. He is a lot of good posts that I agree with. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:07 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 03:02 threesr wrote:
haven't been reading this game too close but i want to lynch jiexian
Are you for real... like, if this is the extent of your contribution, you shouldn't be playing. Clearly players are responsible for reading the thread. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:56 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. That's pretty much how it seems this game is going to go "We want you dead" even though he in no way seems to be guilty. I hope someone sees reason before the vote is final.
Why does yama escape this "town read" with his blatant anger toward CC?
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On January 10 2013 05:17 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 05:12 Z-BosoN wrote:@DandelIf you mean this post: On January 10 2013 04:09 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 10 2013 03:52 Hapahauli wrote:@ DandelWon't lie, I really want to lynch you right now. Mainly for this: On January 09 2013 10:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'd totally lynch yamato.
Other scum most likely Zbo. On January 09 2013 10:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw I would have lynched Shiao after yamato too, but can we like, not do that now?
Would be nice. What is even the point of these comments? The only purpose for stuff like this is to agree with people, and not to serve any town objectives. You just replaced in, and you even admitted to not being fully caught up: On January 09 2013 10:50 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 09 2013 10:46 Hapahauli wrote:On January 09 2013 10:44 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 09 2013 10:43 Hapahauli wrote:
What, are you town? Cause I think your PM says the opposite >> I am. Tho i understand you thinking otherwise. How caught-up are you into the game? You mentioned notes, but you basically called the two confirmed townies + the most obv-town player in the thread town so far. That's... not much. I did follow pretty closely up to... uhm night 1? or so then I kinda stopped. still read it casually thoI'm a bit tipsy atm, and not fully caught up, so I don't wanna vote pplz yet. Feel free to hammer him in the meantime if your so eager. I'm just gonna post the notes i did so far straight. I did em for me tho, so if ya dont understand something, jsut ask Basically, you're down for lynching Yamato (despite rarely mentioning Yamato in your "notes") despite only being caught up to page 17. Then all of a sudden when you "read" the game: On January 09 2013 23:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah no, yamato is prob town. Yeah. That is an accurate recap of what happened. See, I would've lynched yamato for his day 1 play. When I was just reading this thread on the side, I still thought yam was being scummy for getting so irrationally angry and how he went about that anger. Now I read more than that closely, it's likely to be a town anger. Also yam is just an irrationally angry dude, not a scumtell for him. Kinda like Eywa, but without the modkills. You add a reasoning that basically warps the same thing you used as a scumread into one that is a townread. That's awfully convenient once hapa changed his mind. Are there more reasons as to why you suddenly changed your mind, or is this it? Ya okay, you're scum.
Answer me, please.
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On January 10 2013 05:25 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 05:19 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 10 2013 05:17 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 10 2013 05:12 Z-BosoN wrote:@DandelIf you mean this post: On January 10 2013 04:09 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 10 2013 03:52 Hapahauli wrote:@ DandelWon't lie, I really want to lynch you right now. Mainly for this: On January 09 2013 10:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'd totally lynch yamato.
Other scum most likely Zbo. On January 09 2013 10:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw I would have lynched Shiao after yamato too, but can we like, not do that now?
Would be nice. What is even the point of these comments? The only purpose for stuff like this is to agree with people, and not to serve any town objectives. You just replaced in, and you even admitted to not being fully caught up: On January 09 2013 10:50 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 09 2013 10:46 Hapahauli wrote:On January 09 2013 10:44 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 09 2013 10:43 Hapahauli wrote:
What, are you town? Cause I think your PM says the opposite >> I am. Tho i understand you thinking otherwise. How caught-up are you into the game? You mentioned notes, but you basically called the two confirmed townies + the most obv-town player in the thread town so far. That's... not much. I did follow pretty closely up to... uhm night 1? or so then I kinda stopped. still read it casually thoI'm a bit tipsy atm, and not fully caught up, so I don't wanna vote pplz yet. Feel free to hammer him in the meantime if your so eager. I'm just gonna post the notes i did so far straight. I did em for me tho, so if ya dont understand something, jsut ask Basically, you're down for lynching Yamato (despite rarely mentioning Yamato in your "notes") despite only being caught up to page 17. Then all of a sudden when you "read" the game: On January 09 2013 23:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah no, yamato is prob town. Yeah. That is an accurate recap of what happened. See, I would've lynched yamato for his day 1 play. When I was just reading this thread on the side, I still thought yam was being scummy for getting so irrationally angry and how he went about that anger. Now I read more than that closely, it's likely to be a town anger. Also yam is just an irrationally angry dude, not a scumtell for him. Kinda like Eywa, but without the modkills. You add a reasoning that basically warps the same thing you used as a scumread into one that is a townread. That's awfully convenient once hapa changed his mind. Are there more reasons as to why you suddenly changed your mind, or is this it? Ya okay, you're scum. Answer me, please. Tell you what, a while back you said you'd go through yamato's filter, but you didn't say shit about it. Which means you were doing nothing and you were waiting to gauge if you should pile shit on yamato, or, if he wasn't looking likely, on somebody else. I'm "pleased" to see you chose me. Now, share with me, when you looked at yamato's filter like you said you did, what made you shut up and not say anything about it, only to start flinging shit on me? Also, you mention how I somehow molded my read after Hapa, and since I personally know this to be incorrect, I have uncovered your own strategy. You've seen Hapa's willingness to lynch me, so now you want a piece of it. Just like jay does. Jay and Zbo jay and zbo hmmmmmmm looks legit.
I'm not too interested in yamato, his play has been pretty active, and was very persistent in his reads. Newer players generally don't behave so, especially with someone like hapa pressuring them the other way. I started flinging shit at you as soon as I caught up the thread, in which I saw a fairly understandable scum read turn into a "prob town read" for.... crap.
ShiaoPi became suspicious to me much before you came here, in an interaction with hapa I'm sure you've read. If there is anything unnatural or "opportunistic" about me agreeing with hapa with said discussion, let me know. Otherwise you can keep saying I'm scum without arguing or giving any reasoning and I'm sure that's gonna suit you well.
Why are you dodging the question? Still trying to think on what you can say?
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Ah, ok that's what I thought.
town, dummy, can't you read? I just gave you my reasonings.
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That's retarded, what is your point?
If later on he gives me any reason for me to think he is scum, then I will definitely try to lynch him.
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On January 10 2013 05:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
So why do you go for me, Hapas lynch of choice, with the reasoning that I just sheep Hapas opinion?
Have you heard of the principle of "hypocrisy"?
And how do you plan on explaining that it's such a sure scumtell on me, but doesn't apply to you?
Why are you so defensive? When did I say "sure scumtell"? Afaik, I said I disliked your posting so far, especially because of the yamato thing, and asked you a question.
Also, you are confusing things, and I think you didn't read that part where I thought ShiaoPi was townie for reasons that Hapa showed to be wrong. Shiao then disappeared and got replaced. It is but natural you get pressured when you join the thread. Also, I'm not saying "OMG YOU SHEEP HAPA!".
I'm saying that your actions, your abandonment of a scumread based on more than a day's worth of reading based on... nothing? Is suspicious, and quite convenient given that hapa showed in that post that he didn't really want to lynch him. Do you see the difference? Not hypocrisy.
And one more question, why do you think I'm scum? Is it still by elimination?
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lol dandel, if he's scum and you're town, the correct word is "mislynch"
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On January 10 2013 06:04 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 05:59 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 10 2013 05:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
So why do you go for me, Hapas lynch of choice, with the reasoning that I just sheep Hapas opinion?
Have you heard of the principle of "hypocrisy"?
And how do you plan on explaining that it's such a sure scumtell on me, but doesn't apply to you? Why are you so defensive? When did I say "sure scumtell"? Afaik, I said I disliked your posting so far, especially because of the yamato thing, and asked you a question. Also, you are confusing things, and I think you didn't read that part where I thought ShiaoPi was townie for reasons that Hapa showed to be wrong. Shiao then disappeared and got replaced. It is but natural you get pressured when you join the thread. Also, I'm not saying "OMG YOU SHEEP HAPA!". I'm saying that your actions, your abandonment of a scumread based on more than a day's worth of reading based on... nothing? Is suspicious, and quite convenient given that hapa showed in that post that he didn't really want to lynch him. Do you see the difference? Not hypocrisy. And one more question, why do you think I'm scum? Is it still by elimination? No because the way you push me is scummy as shit, just like jay's. You keep saying the bolded, but I told you it's not true. Stop it or I'mma think you're intentionally lying. Why oh why would you do such a thing? But this part takes the cake: Show nested quote +Also, you are confusing things, and I think you didn't read that part where I thought ShiaoPi was townie for reasons that Hapa showed to be wrong. Shiao then disappeared and got replaced. It is but natural you get pressured when you join the thread. Also, I'm not saying "OMG YOU SHEEP HAPA!". 1) I don't think you're scum but I want to lynch you 2) I pressured you because "it's natural to do so" 3) Yes, you said exactly that. All those points are scummy as fuck and you're scum.
LOL?! Not true? Check this, my friend:
On January 10 2013 05:40 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 05:35 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 10 2013 05:25 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 10 2013 05:19 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 10 2013 05:17 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 10 2013 05:12 Z-BosoN wrote:@DandelIf you mean this post: On January 10 2013 04:09 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 10 2013 03:52 Hapahauli wrote:@ DandelWon't lie, I really want to lynch you right now. Mainly for this: On January 09 2013 10:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'd totally lynch yamato.
Other scum most likely Zbo. On January 09 2013 10:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw I would have lynched Shiao after yamato too, but can we like, not do that now?
Would be nice. What is even the point of these comments? The only purpose for stuff like this is to agree with people, and not to serve any town objectives. You just replaced in, and you even admitted to not being fully caught up: On January 09 2013 10:50 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 09 2013 10:46 Hapahauli wrote:
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How caught-up are you into the game? You mentioned notes, but you basically called the two confirmed townies + the most obv-town player in the thread town so far. That's... not much. I did follow pretty closely up to... uhm night 1? or so then I kinda stopped. still read it casually thoI'm a bit tipsy atm, and not fully caught up, so I don't wanna vote pplz yet. Feel free to hammer him in the meantime if your so eager. I'm just gonna post the notes i did so far straight. I did em for me tho, so if ya dont understand something, jsut ask Basically, you're down for lynching Yamato (despite rarely mentioning Yamato in your "notes") despite only being caught up to page 17. Then all of a sudden when you "read" the game: On January 09 2013 23:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah no, yamato is prob town. Yeah. That is an accurate recap of what happened. See, I would've lynched yamato for his day 1 play. When I was just reading this thread on the side, I still thought yam was being scummy for getting so irrationally angry and how he went about that anger. Now I read more than that closely, it's likely to be a town anger. Also yam is just an irrationally angry dude, not a scumtell for him. Kinda like Eywa, but without the modkills. You add a reasoning that basically warps the same thing you used as a scumread into one that is a townread. That's awfully convenient once hapa changed his mind. Are there more reasons as to why you suddenly changed your mind, or is this it? Ya okay, you're scum. Answer me, please. Tell you what, a while back you said you'd go through yamato's filter, but you didn't say shit about it. Which means you were doing nothing and you were waiting to gauge if you should pile shit on yamato, or, if he wasn't looking likely, on somebody else. I'm "pleased" to see you chose me. Now, share with me, when you looked at yamato's filter like you said you did, what made you shut up and not say anything about it, only to start flinging shit on me? Also, you mention how I somehow molded my read after Hapa, and since I personally know this to be incorrect, I have uncovered your own strategy. You've seen Hapa's willingness to lynch me, so now you want a piece of it. Just like jay does. Jay and Zbo jay and zbo hmmmmmmm looks legit. I'm not too interested in yamato, his play has been pretty active, and was very persistent in his reads. Newer players generally don't behave so, especially with someone like hapa pressuring them the other way. I started flinging shit at you as soon as I caught up the thread, in which I saw a fairly understandable scum read turn into a "prob town read" for.... crap. ShiaoPi became suspicious to me much before you came here, in an interaction with hapa I'm sure you've read. If there is anything unnatural or "opportunistic" about me agreeing with hapa with said discussion, let me know. Otherwise you can keep saying I'm scum without arguing or giving any reasoning and I'm sure that's gonna suit you well. Why are you dodging the question? Still trying to think on what you can say? Yeah I have no reasons at all. I just make stuff up.NOW: YAMATO TOWN OR SCUM I'm feeling nice, so you don't even have to explain your townread either. No need to really. But what I want you to do, and you still haven't done, is give a stance on yamato. This is a time where stances have to be taken, and scum is the party that benefits the most from not doing that. So take a stance. You've said nothing about yamato, in neither direction. Even though you promised to look through his filter and stuff. So I want you to say one of those words: 1) town 2) scum Don't take too long, else I'll assume you'll have to go look for reasons.
I don't care if it's sarcastic or not, what's the town motivation in this? If you ahve reasons why are you not saying? You haven't shown me it's false, you used sarcasm to make us think you have actual reasoning when you in fact don't. Fact of the matter is, unless you tell them like a good boy, to me and to no one in this thread, you have ZERO reasons for your switch on yamato.
Also, this:
1) I don't think you're scum but I want to lynch you
2) I pressured you because "it's natural to do so"
3) Yes, you said exactly that.
Is horseshit. I think you are scum. Tell me where I said that I "don't think you are scum" since you got replaced and I will vote myself. Go ahead, find it, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker. You are just making stuff up. What gives?
I am pressuring you because I think you are scum. I'm interested in why you accuse my pressure of being "convenient" and thus making me a hypocrite, when it is clear from my filter that I was already inclined to do so.
Try again.
Oh and try painting my name in red and using [big] tags. That might help maybe.
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On January 10 2013 06:07 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 06:04 Dandel Ion wrote:But this part takes the cake: Also, you are confusing things, and I think you didn't read that part where I thought ShiaoPi was townie for reasons that Hapa showed to be wrong. Shiao then disappeared and got replaced. It is but natural you get pressured when you join the thread. Also, I'm not saying "OMG YOU SHEEP HAPA!". 1) I don't think you're scum but I want to lynch you 2) I pressured you because "it's natural to do so" 3) Yes, you said exactly that. All those points are scummy as fuck and you're scum. Not to mention there's another "I think something but Hapa doesn't agree so I changed my mind" in there too. Like This is the scummiest paragraph I've ever read, In i've read people claim scum.
Bold it!! Please quote it!! You can't be that bad in interpreting things.
The only part I ever thought SP was town was before you were born. That's a whole other story you are warping to fit your own agenda.
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Yea dandel is scum. There are two things he's accused me of saying and is not gonna be able to quote them. I love it when scum don't bother reading and are desperate to bullshit.
mr.Zentor, buddy boy, how have you been?
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So Hapa, what do you make of our little interaction?
I'm known for misinterpreting things but I think Dandel is taking it to a whole other level.
Since you're mr. Interpretation and semantics guy, what is your verdict, your honor?
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On January 10 2013 06:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Can I not be the arbiter of justice for a day and see everyone make and push their own conclusions? That would be FANTASTIC.
Well fuck, I've reached my conclusion, Dandel is scum. There's really nothing I can add. If you wanna lay back and chill, go away and we'll chat tomorrow
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On January 10 2013 06:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shaio seemed more scum than Dandel. Problem is they are the same person. What do.
Are you blind? Read our interaction. He's 10x more scummy than shiao imo. He's warping things and putting words in my mouth left and right to push his agenda
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Yea we are gonna have to wait on him for that, he just waited like 10 min and scrammed cause no one was answering him (when both me and jay were there).
Such bad misinterpretation needs to be justified. I want to see if he's gonna actually read to try and figure out what I mean by all of it and what I've been saying all along or if he's gonna just stick with the shit he's saying.
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Ok, I've skimmed over our dearest mr.Z in WC, and here are my conclusions.
1. His "certainty" is a null-tell.
I'm not going to quote shits, but there are some posts which mrZ, as town, is "certain" of things when he's not. So that's not a good tell.
What I did notice, though, was:
2. He showed interest in pursuing his reads and on who got lynched.
In his early days, he was very persistent about hapa being scum. He also displayed some interest in the lynch target, mainly Hapa:
On December 18 2012 02:23 MrZentor wrote:
Why not?
Hapa should be dead. He's not
That means one of the following
1. He is town and didn't get blue
a. This is one possibility, and if this is true, there's nothing wrong with us revealing who voted for him.
2. He is town and got blue, the the mafia haven't tried to shoot him.
a. But this doesn't make sense, because it is more likely that Hap got blue than DP, so the mafia would naturally try to shoot him first.
3. He is mafia and got blue, but heis lying about it, so he doesn't get caught.
a. This is another possibility, and we can see if this is true or not by everybody claiming if they voted for him or not.
So basically, we can tell if he's scum or not by revealing our votes, and it's unlikely mafia can do anything about it.
And by god did he insist in pursuing that read:
On December 18 2012 02:27 MrZentor wrote:
Exactly, everybody who voted for Hapa should reveal their vote.
I did not vote for Hapa.
On December 18 2012 02:42 MrZentor wrote:
From the scum perspective, assuming Hapa is town, you know townies are going to vote for the most townie townie, AKA Hapa.
Also, because you want to save your precious bullets, the list of people you shoot goes from most townie(Hapa) to less townie but still pretty townie (DP).
So, if Hapa is town, the mafia already tried to shoot him.
**To note. He was very ready and willing about explaining his nk logic in WC. Here, when I questioned him, he passed it off as "not worthy", when I think I'd made a fairly good point.
He really wants him dead:
On December 18 2012 07:05 MrZentor wrote:
Finally, people seeing Hap's scumminess.
c:
On December 18 2012 07:11 MrZentor wrote:
Hapa, answer the question.
Now. ##Vote Hapahauli
On December 18 2012 07:37 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:On December 18 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
DYH, your case is bad.
Scum would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP.
And your whole case is based on that not being true.
Wrong, your case is based on that assumption being true, mine is not. My case is based on you pushing a strategy that would reveal whether hapa is blue or not when he is still potentially in danger of being silver shot. My case is based on acknowledging that you don't know exactly how scum are operating, which you clearly don't, because you want to lynch hapa. If Hapa was town, then Mafia wouldn't have any silver bullets left. It's pretty simple, and the reasoning behind it is solid. If he were truly a blue, then he would have nothing to fear from the witch hunter. Anyways, originally, my plan was going to reveal if Hapa were scum or not; I had a null read on him. And then Hapa started acting really scummy. Like REALLY scummy. So no, my read on Hapa isn't all based on that assumption being true. In fact, it isn't based on that assumption at all, as my plan didn't succeed, and we didn't gain any information from it.
Later on when he thinks DYH is scum, with better chance to flip scum than CC, he goes around pushing his reads:
On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote:
As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target.
On December 20 2012 02:50 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:47 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote:
As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target. I was an easy target D1 was everyone who were pushing for me scum? The reason DYH is scum isn't that he is pushing an easy target. You're missing the point. He's tunneling me, all game, ignoring everything else. That's scum play. Who else has done that?
He won't have it any other way, DYH has to be lynched:
On December 20 2012 03:07 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 02:55 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 02:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 02:50 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 02:47 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote:
As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target. I was an easy target D1 was everyone who were pushing for me scum? The reason DYH is scum isn't that he is pushing an easy target. You're missing the point. He's tunneling me, all game, ignoring everything else. That's scum play. Who else has done that? I have... But it's because I'm right and I've never second guessed... Evidence just piles on and on and on. No, you have commented on other things beside who you want to kill many times; you're not ignoring everything else like he is. Commented on, never changed my mind. Also, CC is neither lurking nor asleep, he is actively posting and ignoring my previous post (likely because he is stuck between a rock and a hard place). Yeah, I don't care if you changed your mind or not. The point is that you are a town with a strong (albeit probably wrong) scum read, so you do more than just tunnel CC. DYH is a scum using his "scum read"on me as an excuse to not participate in any other discussion.
On December 20 2012 03:15 MrZentor wrote:
Eywa, I know you're town.
I have looked at both DYH and CC, and DYH has a much better chance of flipping scum.
I'm pretty sure you know I'm town, so you can trust that I'm not scum trying to save my scum buddy.
You're not going to be able to get CC lynched today, and it would be really awful for town if we had a no lynch.
Vote for DYH.
On December 20 2012 03:38 MrZentor wrote:
Eywa, CC isn't going to get lynched today.
Consolidating our votes gives us more power as town over who is lynched.
We need 5/6 of town to vote for scum to kill one of them.
Please vote for DYH.
My conclusion with this is that mrZ's earlier actions in day one, where he took the stance of "eh, I don't care who gets lynched, so long as it's yama or xatalos" is in stark contrast of his attitude on Hapa and DYH on witchcraft.
There's also one very interesting thing from his filter there: he likes to focus on one scum at a time, something which hasn't showed here.
At no point does he pressure or try to convince people to lynch yama, he just keeps saying he's scum and that's pretty much it.
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On January 10 2013 07:01 MrZentor wrote:This game and Witchcraft Mafia are completely different. In Witchcraft Mafia, if I wasn't able to convince people DYH was scum within the 48 hour day, he wouldn't die. I had to actively push my scum reads. In British Empire Mini Mafia, the days only end when a lynch has occurred. Because of this mechanic, all I have to do is make sure that when we lynch, we lynch one of my scum reads. I can passively push my scum reads and still be successful, due to the mechanics of this game. I hope that explains my change in play. 
But you are rushing the lynches here. You really wanted to lynch yama, but now people are going away from that lynch. You really seem to think he's scum, so why aren't you passively pushing yama?
You're setting yourself up with two choices, yama and dandel, but you were waaaay more insistent with yama. Only when the thread changed to dandel did you really want to kill him. Why are you so indifferent? You never had "top two" scumreads in WC..
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On January 10 2013 07:03 MrZentor wrote:
Z-Boson has always looked and been pretty town.
He just doesn't know how to read me. Also, he doesn't realize he doesn't know how to read me.
Which is kind of annoying.
I thought you said you loved it :'(
And I don't know if I know how to read you or not yet, I'll only find out once you die :/
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On January 10 2013 07:12 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 07:07 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 10 2013 07:01 MrZentor wrote:This game and Witchcraft Mafia are completely different. In Witchcraft Mafia, if I wasn't able to convince people DYH was scum within the 48 hour day, he wouldn't die. I had to actively push my scum reads. In British Empire Mini Mafia, the days only end when a lynch has occurred. Because of this mechanic, all I have to do is make sure that when we lynch, we lynch one of my scum reads. I can passively push my scum reads and still be successful, due to the mechanics of this game. I hope that explains my change in play. But you are rushing the lynches here. You really wanted to lynch yama, but now people are going away from that lynch. You really seem to think he's scum, so why aren't you passively pushing yama? You're setting yourself up with two choices, yama and dandel, but you were waaaay more insistent with yama. Only when the thread changed to dandel did you really want to kill him. Why are you so indifferent? You never had "top two" scumreads in WC.. Yama and Dandel are both scum. Sure, I wanted to kill Yama first, but if other people want to kill Dandel first, that's fine. Obviously I'm indifferent as to which one dies because they're both scum. In Witchcraft Mafia, DYH was pretty obviously mafia, so I had one scum read. In this game, I had a much easier time finding town than scum, so of course I would discover the two scum at once through process of elimination. I don't see why me having two scum reads as opposed to one is important to you?
Cause in WC you specifically stated that you liked focusing on one scum read at a time:
On December 20 2012 03:20 MrZentor wrote:
I like to focus on one scum at a time. It's best to only make theories about connections after the flip.
At here you have been making connections since day one.
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