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On January 08 2013 09:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
How natural do I find what? His town reads on me and DP?
yep
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On January 08 2013 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
@ Yamato. You have a lot of experience playing with CC don't you? how would you say his play this game correlates to his previous games with you?
@ ZB have you dramatically altered your playstyle since the last time we played together? This is certainly not the town meta I remember from you.
It's not the scum one either. It seems I'm very good at changing my playstyle game to game =)
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Reading his filter, yamato had a pretty good point on MrZ yesterday. He definitely doesn't care about who get's lynched, if you tread his filter.
Also, mr.Z's latest comment on how my entrance is "scummy" is something I find very scummy. It's an easy claim to make "oh look! You said you were gonna post your reads but you DIDN'T!", and then not clarify exactly what he meant by this when prodded. In my mind it's something quite easy for scum to pick up on and seem like they are contributing.
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On January 08 2013 09:54 DarthPunk wrote:
ZB Top two Town reads and top two scum reads. Fast as you can.
don't see the point of this, but I think it's something you can tell from my filter.
scum: mr.CC, mr.Z
town: Hapa and you
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On January 08 2013 09:53 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 09:49 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
@ Yamato. You have a lot of experience playing with CC don't you? how would you say his play this game correlates to his previous games with you?
@ ZB have you dramatically altered your playstyle since the last time we played together? This is certainly not the town meta I remember from you. It's not the scum one either. It seems I'm very good at changing my playstyle game to game =) Well be careful. If you are too difficult to read hapa will tunnel you day one every game. And the entire town will sheep because hapa. ZZZ
You're pretty damn easy to read DP, he figured it out and it just takes some effort.
In my case, he's still figuring it out, as I am constantly trying new things.
I assure you this is me trying to interact more with town, which was the main problem with the other meta I used in mario. Big formal cases do not win games by themselves.
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On January 08 2013 10:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 09:57 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 09:54 DarthPunk wrote:
ZB Top two Town reads and top two scum reads. Fast as you can. don't see the point of this, but I think it's something you can tell from my filter. scum: mr.CC, mr.Z town: Hapa and you So how do you reconcile hapa's strong town reads on both your top scum reads with your strong town read on hapa? Is hapa flat out wrong? Are you wrong?
I think he's wrong, but with no great amount of conviction. On Mr.CC, atm, I oppose him quite a bit. I'm still working on mr.Z though. If he's town I'd really like him to post more.
His strong town reads are obvious. You pretty much confirmed yourself as town to me with your bragging post "HA! I knew it! Xatalos was town and CC was scum!", even when those weren't your original reads. Like hell you'd do that as scum.
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On January 08 2013 10:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Z-Bo, I'm curious - have you ever taken a look at MrZ's meta (particularly his scum-games)?
nope. Is there a key aspect to it I may be missing?
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On January 08 2013 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:And here I was thinking I kept almost being mislynched day one because I am hard to read 
Oh poor you. Your read doesn't come so easy though, so that's a plus right
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On January 08 2013 10:12 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:05 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 10:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Z-Bo, I'm curious - have you ever taken a look at MrZ's meta (particularly his scum-games)? nope. Is there a key aspect to it I may be missing? In what I've seen, he's super-lurker extraordinaire as scum.
>.>
He's lurking a bit right now, wouldn't you say? He shoved off my prods and disappeared.
That's also easy as hell to avoid, all you gotta do is post.
How many scum games do you have of him? It makes more sense to use that as a tell if he has at least two or three
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On January 08 2013 10:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:10 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:And here I was thinking I kept almost being mislynched day one because I am hard to read Oh poor you. Your read doesn't come so easy though, so that's a plus right You know. I am rather worried about you ZB. For one. You have lost your shit at me almost every game we have played at one point or another. And this game you are down right friendly. There is something in your town meta which is a fucking rock solid solid solid tell that I have never mentioned, so I doubt you would be aware of it, that I have yet to see. Also you had like a massive lovefest with marv in that scum game you guys played so some of that was likely to have rubbed off on you. Caution is needed in your case I believe.
That's because you have yet to make a bad, illogical "I'M NOT READING" case against me. Even if you did make one though, I'd probably scream not at you but at those who follow it, given that YOU'RE thick as a brick.
Big thing here is, and I hope you have learned that on mario, is that you shouldn't judge me by meta. Definitely be cautious with me, but see if I am pushing a scum agenda and/or my play makes no sense from a townie perspective, instead of going like meta meta meta as the other game.
It should be obvious that I'm townie though, I'm trying like super hard this game >.<
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Anyways DP, this isn't very productive. We should focus on other subjects, nay?
What do you think of mr.Z and my discussion with hapa?
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On January 08 2013 10:25 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:23 Z-BosoN wrote:
Anyways DP, this isn't very productive. We should focus on other subjects, nay?
What do you think of mr.Z and my discussion with hapa? MR Z is town. You are wrong. Hapa is right. Essentially.
Why do you think he is town? Just meta or are you reading a word I'm saying?
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On January 08 2013 10:31 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:25 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 10:25 DarthPunk wrote:On January 08 2013 10:23 Z-BosoN wrote:
Anyways DP, this isn't very productive. We should focus on other subjects, nay?
What do you think of mr.Z and my discussion with hapa? MR Z is town. You are wrong. Hapa is right. Essentially. Why do you think he is town? Just meta or are you reading a word I'm saying? He acted the same as town in witchcraft. He has had made reads both scum and town that were sensible. His flow chart was off the wall townie as hapa said. I hate the way he plays. He certainly trolls somewhat. But that does not make him scum and I haven't seen anything that would alter my town read on him. Calling out the way you entered the thread was null to me.
Omg, how the fuck is his chart off the wall townie??
I mean, that's PERFECT for scum to invest their effort, isn't it? It's easy as fuck to make,I could make one in like 10 min. It's much harder to actually scumhunt and interact with other townies. It accomplishes NOTHING for town. That's like textbook XXX.
His comment on me is scummy by itself, but how he fails to interact to my prodding is waaay more. Seriously, look at the goddamn interaction:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 08:38 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:32 MrZentor wrote:
Also, if Z Boson were town, he'd probably be dead.
He was a perfect alternative to Hapa, because the scum knew that if there were a doctor, the doctor would surely protect Hapa. This make Z Boson a safe kill for night one.
And his entrance and excuse are scummy. This post reeks of bad assumptions. You are saying that if I was town, scum would surely shoot me over hapa, and if I were scum, there is no one but hapa to shoot? Am I missing something? If my entrance was scummy, why are you pointing it out? As for my excuse, answer me this: Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:28 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 08:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On January 08 2013 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
So you are. Don't go ahead and disappear. I want to discuss ShiaoPi and CC with you. Why me? Discuss them with the rest of the thread. I'm the last person you should be asking the opinion of right now - I'm obv-town. We need to hear answers from others to determine their alignment. So what? Asking opinions is a good way to find scum, but it also adds information. I actually think the opposite, since you are 99% town right now, you should dish out as much info as you can, as it's almost guaranteed non-bullshit. I can understand your view this game due to inactiveness, but I don't want you to go full inactive (dunno if that's what you plan to do). @Mr.CCIt's cause I think Hapa is wrong on you and wrong on ShiaoPi. Since you are right here - let me ask you this, do you think DP is scum? I don't like the fact that he just shows up randomly minutes after the lynch and 180's his reads on me and Xatalos. It doesn't make him scum, though. He's one of the more townier people so I definitely wouldn't lynch him today. When did I reverse my read on Xatalos? I never thought you a strong town to begin with, and I like DP's case a lot. Please answer my questions I showed up because I got caught up in traffic. Why would I make a post saying I'd post my reads before deadline and not do so? Do you doubt this? If not, what's the point of asking? On January 08 2013 08:46 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:38 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 08:32 MrZentor wrote:
Also, if Z Boson were town, he'd probably be dead.
He was a perfect alternative to Hapa, because the scum knew that if there were a doctor, the doctor would surely protect Hapa. This make Z Boson a safe kill for night one.
And his entrance and excuse are scummy. This post reeks of bad assumptions. You are saying that if I was town, scum would surely shoot me over hapa, and if I were scum, there is no one but hapa to shoot? Am I missing something? If my entrance was scummy, why are you pointing it out right now?? As for my excuse, answer me this: On January 08 2013 08:28 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 08:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On January 08 2013 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
So you are. Don't go ahead and disappear. I want to discuss ShiaoPi and CC with you. Why me? Discuss them with the rest of the thread. I'm the last person you should be asking the opinion of right now - I'm obv-town. We need to hear answers from others to determine their alignment. So what? Asking opinions is a good way to find scum, but it also adds information. I actually think the opposite, since you are 99% town right now, you should dish out as much info as you can, as it's almost guaranteed non-bullshit. I can understand your view this game due to inactiveness, but I don't want you to go full inactive (dunno if that's what you plan to do). @Mr.CCIt's cause I think Hapa is wrong on you and wrong on ShiaoPi. Since you are right here - let me ask you this, do you think DP is scum? I don't like the fact that he just shows up randomly minutes after the lynch and 180's his reads on me and Xatalos. It doesn't make him scum, though. He's one of the more townier people so I definitely wouldn't lynch him today. When did I reverse my read on Xatalos? I never thought you a strong town to begin with, and I like DP's case a lot. Please answer my questions I showed up because I got caught up in traffic. Why would I make a post saying I'd post my reads before deadline and not do so? Do you doubt this? If not, what's the point of asking? EBWOP on the red bolded part. Right now as in, why now and not before? This makes little sense, because if you had really found it scummy, then a) you would have mentioned it as town and b) you would have not put me in the same category as hapa in this post: Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 02:34 MrZentor wrote:The four main suspects are Mr. CC, Shiaopi, Yamato, and Xatalos. Mr. CC + Show Spoiler +He's probably town, and there are two main reasons for me to think that. 1. He's carefree and open, especially during the opening of the game. On January 04 2013 12:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Mr.Z we're masoned you dummy. ShiaoPi obv scum right? On January 05 2013 10:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey yeah yeah yeah Hey yeah, I said HEY! What's going on?!
Home from my shift and such. Reading the shitfest that is DP-Hapa (kind of sounds like a porno) interaction atm and catching up.
Questions, people, questions. Anyone? On January 05 2013 12:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oh hey Hapa whats up. I need someone to talk to. Wanna cuddle? What you think of Yamato going full retard right now? 2. Two of the other suspects targeted him early in the game. Although it is possible one of them was faking this aggression, it is unlikely, because of all the risks that come with it. If the scum faking aggression toward Mr.CC gets lynched and doesn't do a good job of faking it, then it will be obvious that Mr. CC is scum with him. On January 05 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:
Do people really think it was that difficult to understand what I said?
Anyway CC your case is bad and I think you're faking this read. I don't think Xatalos is that scummy, but he is an easy target.
CC is scummy.
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake Mr. Cheesecake
Who was he again? I only remembered him after rereading the thread a couple of times. He hasn't actually taken stances on anything that matters (not counting obvious stuff like "we should lynch the scummiest player"). What I'm most worried about is his complete lack of presence - he's basically casually lurking without being too obvious. I'm unwilling to judge him yet, but he isn't looking good so far. From Xatalos. It is possible that he is scum with ShiaoPi, but I find this unlikely considering his early game behavior. Yamato + Show Spoiler +His early game play seems a lot like an earnest, noobie townie. On January 04 2013 16:41 yamato77 wrote:
I'm not sure how the logic is strange.
You told me it was difficult to think in IRC because there was no time.
You advocate making longer, more thought out decisions in this game because of the instant lynch mechanic.
I don't know why you guys think this is a big deal. On January 04 2013 17:32 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 17:16 Hapahauli wrote:On January 04 2013 17:10 yamato77 wrote:I agree, the hammer vote should definitely be looked at. With that in mind, I'm not sure why CC says this: On January 04 2013 11:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 11:42 jaybrundage wrote:On January 04 2013 11:01 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Jay
Any other thoughts on what Rise and I have discussed over the first pages of the thread? Day length, hammer votes, or anything really. We should lynch someone when we feel confident they are mafia. We should always be aware of the hammer vote. People should be responsible for there hammer vote. We shouldn't rush a lynch cause we lost discussions to read people with. Policy Lynches rarely work so we should refrain from doing them. Pretty straight forward imo. So the hammer vote takes full responsibility for the lynch? Everyone who votes is responsible, not just the hammering guy. Why does CC not want us to put emphasis on the hammer vote? It is prime opportunity for differentiating scum from town yet he thinks it isn't? Regarding the bolded, in what way would you say it is a "prime opportunity [to] differentiate" alignments? Give me some examples. Also, I think you're just shoving words in CC's mouth. He's saying that we shouldn't shift disproportionate responsibility on the person who hammers on a lynch, and I don't see what's wrong about that statement. What is disproportionate responsibility? I think there's plenty of reason to give the hammer more look than other votes. It is the act of making the decision to lynch someone, it makes the player into the executioner. The use of the hammer vote is perhaps the most important thing in this game. You said so yourself and now you seem to disagree with me? Why? On January 06 2013 00:06 yamato77 wrote:
I will admit I'm not paying as much attention to this game as I should.
Honestly my vote on CC was to get a better read on him. Up to that point I thought he was a bit scummy so I figured his reaction to me voting for him out of nowhere might reveal to me his alignment. It turns out it didn't, but some of the things he has said since then have swayed my opinion.
I'm fairly confident in Hapa being town, so as far as active scum I don't think there are any. Jay is the only one I would question because his posts have a quality that makes them seem quiet, almost like his opinion isn't something to be valued. Is he scum trying to stay under the radar or just a weak townie?
No I'm much more inclined to think a scum lies between Mr Zentor and Rise. Zentor hasn't contributed much besides a lot of setup talk and town reads. His filter is low content, low profile, very much like I think the scum are this game.
Rise simply hasn't posted much since the beginning if the game and it is starting to make me question his motivations. Also, the way he pushes me makes me think he's a noob townie. I would expect newer players to think I'm scum, because of a lot of the things I do are obviously scummy. On January 06 2013 17:58 yamato77 wrote:
Mr Zentor
He's only given a lot of town reads and acted impatient about lynching people. His filter is full of one liners that provide little reasoning for what he wants to do this game aside from Lynch people. He seems more preoccupied with there being a lynch than who is going to be lynched. He hasn't helped town find who they should lynch, either. Hapa says he's a bored townie but he looks like a scum just waiting for an excuse to hammer a townie lynch. Xatalos + Show Spoiler +He is pretty uptight, but he makes some good points in his massive cases; he and ShiaoPi are equally likely to be scum. Well, for starters, I think you're most likely town. I can't believe a Mafia would outpost everyone in the thread and engage in every possible topic. Does that make DarthPunk Mafia in my eyes? Not really. I agree with many things he says, and his filter just reads fairly townish to me - this post for example:
In any case, I'm pretty satisfied with your responses. Your counter-arguments to my (pretty weak) arguments for your scumminess are what I'd expect from a townie: calm, collected, reasonable. Combined with Hapahauli's recommendation to wait on you, I don't see you as a good lynch at the moment.
Welcome, Z-Boson! I'm glad you're being very townish and contributive so far, which means we have one less player out of the lynching table (I didn't like lynching RiseAgain either, but this is a much easier judgement than that).
ShiaoPi + Show Spoiler +Either he or Xatalos is scum, I'm not sure which. It's pretty unlikely that they're both scum, considering how they both made cases on why the other is scum. He parks his vote on a lurker. On January 05 2013 12:14 ShiaoPi wrote:Hmm looks like RiseAgain has still not responded.... Anyway moving onto the matters more at hand for now. I don't think that DP or Hapa are scum, it feels much more like townies at each others throats for minor things. While I can see where both are coming from during the exchange I does kind of worry me that DP does not follow up with a vote as Hapa does. Does not seem to fit when he calls him scum more than once earlier. @Mr.CC Xatalos is kind of a lynchbait in itself. He is not that easy to read (at least for me), but what I have seen so far from him does not really convince me on his scumminess. From time to time he does these 180-turns but usually it is because he lays his entire thoughtprocess out and therefore every nook and turn of his mind is in the thread. He is nullish right now. I want to see more from RiseAgain, so ##Vote: RiseAgainget in here and do something please!  But he also waffles over Xatalos, which makes me think he could be town. On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts.
First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement!
Moving on to some housekeeping:
DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier.
I am interested currently in these people:
yamato
Xatalos
MrZ
yamato:
There are many things which would probably be me reiterating stuff that was mentioned (discrepancy in behaviour as hapa said). Not being really present, throwing votes around with little reasoning. But that can be explained by his lack of time due to RL business. could really use more analysis and reasoning from him.
Xatalos:
I said earlier that Xatalos is a lynchbait. That is because he is hesitating a lot, laying out a lot of his thoughts in the thread and therefore opening himself up for harsh critique if he changes his mind and posts it. His lack of any stance is alarming though. While it is somewhat just his playstyle (IIRC) I still dislike it a lot, I mean day 1 has been going for quite a long time now already, while we did not get more information through lynching there is still a lot of content to search through and find something.
MrZ:
He is useless, which is stupidly just his meta with the lightheartedness he has shown. I don't like useless people but cannot condemn him based on this.
Actually I started this post with wanting to lynch into Xata/yamato preferrably yamato but now that I am writing those reads feel just unsatisfying...There is nothing really much that distinguishes one option from the other. I am reluctant to lynch yamato since he seems legitimately busy, also relcutant to lynch Xata for just playing as he does (same goes for MrZ).
Somehow this day 1 has not been really productive >_> Who we should lynch. + Show Spoiler +
I don't know which one we should lynch, but I know what we should do if each one is lynched.
.....................................Xatalos.................................................................................................Shiaopi............
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........................flips scum..........flips town..................................................................flips scum.....flips town...........................
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......find scum partner..............lynch Shia.....................................................lynch MrCC..............lynch Xatalos-.flips.scum .....
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.....................................flips town......flips scum.............................flips scum............flips town...........flips town.......find scum
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...start suspecting people......................lynch MrCC....................win..............start suspecting people....................
...like Hapa and Boson............................/...............\.........................................like Hapa and Boson
..........................................................flips scum.......flips town...........................................................................................
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....................................................win...................start suspecting people.....................................
............................................................................like Hapa and Boson.....................................
On January 08 2013 09:05 MrZentor wrote:
Z-Boson, I meant your entrance after the lynch.
Not your original entrance. On January 08 2013 09:07 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 09:05 MrZentor wrote:
Z-Boson, I meant your entrance after the lynch.
Not your original entrance. Well that's a plus. Answer the other questions please.
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On January 08 2013 10:31 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Z-bo
Let's talk about my scumreads for a minute. Why is Shaio not scum? (And to a lesser extent Jay)
Jay I'm not confident he's town, he was a slight town read, until he again said that I was a scummy "gut read" (jay was right the first time, so hey, why not say this again now to gain me some cred?). Which is troubling since I'm playing a totally different game than on hero and there's no backing up on his part. Not so sure on him anymore.
ShiaoPi is more of a town read to me in various ways. Let me refer to why you thought him scum:
ShaioPi - I've seen Shaio inactive in the early game as town on occasions. Often he feels "overwhelmed" by large #'s of players and prefers a smaller setting (as was the case in Mafia LVII early game). However, when he's town amongst a smaller group of players, he is a very capable scum-hunter and isn't afraid to take control.
The endgame of Mafia LVII is a great example of him taking control, as well as his stellar performance throughout GSL II Mini.
In this game, he's done the following:
1) Light pressure on RiseAgain
2) Questioning DP's scumread on myself
3) OMGUS vote on Xatalos
That's far less than I would expect from a townie Shaio.
His play on LVII was marked with people (me & you included), finding him scum for various reasons. Note your other case, I draw a great amount of similarities:
On September 09 2012 11:17 Hapahauli wrote:I retract my vigi-shot call on Rewok. He mentions the "lynch for blood" stuff earlier in his filter, and I'm willing to chalk it up to bad town. His giant wall-o-text posts giving everyone null-reads actually reads town to me - seems like a genuine attempt to contribute, despite being useless. However, I do think we should look into vigi-shotting [b] ShiaoPi[b]. Shiao is hardcore lurking in comparison to his other games as VT. Absolutely no content in Shaio's filter, and there are a couple of posts that fingerpoint like mad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=47#929Shaio originally wasn't posting because of "internet concerns." I believed Shiao at the time, but now it's becoming a habit.
So lurking and not making opinions is a no-no for shiao. What helps me to determine he's scum is the quality of his play. Day one he made a very good observation on Riseagain, and OMGUSed xatalos in quite a decent way. He had a spur of activity during that time period in his interaction when he needlessly shouldn't.
From liquid city, I find this to be particularly strong with him, given that in Liquid City he appeared only when called out. His reasoning and the quality of his cases were generally bad when he was scum (and I very quickly detected that when BH made the case), which is something that is not being repeated here, in my opinion.
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I'd really like jay and shiaopi to chime in though.
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With that I'm taking a break. I'll bbl
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On January 08 2013 10:42 MrZentor wrote:
The chart was really easy to make.
And your other question wasn't worth answering.
It's not worth answering because it doesn't make any fucking sense and you can't back it up.
Just to make sure everyone understands where I'm coming from, this is the bit I asked him about:
On January 08 2013 08:32 MrZentor wrote:
Also, if Z Boson were town, he'd probably be dead.
He was a perfect alternative to Hapa, because the scum knew that if there were a doctor, the doctor would surely protect Hapa. This make Z Boson a safe kill for night one.
And his entrance and excuse are scummy.
His suggestion is very fucking clear and very fucking absurd.
-> I am a perfect alternative to hapa, so why didn't I die?
-> If I was town, I'd die instead of hapa, because scum wouldn't shoot hapa.
-> Hapa got shot.
-> Ergo I'm scum! Of course, there's no one else to shoot but hapa and zb!
Brilliant thinking! Sound logic! When I asked him about it, apparently it's not worth answering. He's saying I'm "prob not town" because of this logic, he doesn't explain once he's caught on to it. What's worse, he doesn't pursue it, he just goes on making more useless posts in the same manner he did day one:
On January 08 2013 12:21 MrZentor wrote:
You know, guys.
We could lynch somebody right now.
c:
On January 08 2013 12:27 MrZentor wrote:
IDK, too many scummy people.
On second thought, let's wait a few days before killing the wrong person.
He's feeling comfortable because of the townie curtain placed unto him and lowered down his activity quite significantly. There are zero sort of posts that indicate he's scum hunting.
He pushed a clear mafia agenda on lynching Xatalos, and was just "fine" with it, not wanting to push his own other scum read "yamato" at all.
His town reads on CC and DP earlier in day one are whack imo.
Hapa I'm very curious as to why a simple "meta" argument is the sole reason you are calling him town. Is there a plethora of scum games you are getting his meta from? Can you be more clear on this? I think you guys are giving him an undeserving free pass.
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On January 08 2013 15:37 yamato77 wrote:
GUYS
Hey guys.
I have a secret.
The secret is
Hapa only has town reads on scummy trolls.
Wait there's more!
If you stay a scummy troll the whole game he'll think you're CONFIRMED TOWN.
I know my plan.
That's just plain unnecessary, I think he's being way more insightful and specific than that. What the fuck is the point of that post
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On January 08 2013 10:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Shaio lurking in bigger games is pretty common. He mentioned in one of his games that he feels "lost" in the larger games and doesn't post much. You'll notice in LVII, he picked up his scum-hunting and activity in a big way when the player-pool got smaller. Also, he didn't post in LVII because of internet problems. He has no such excuse this game.
GSL II Mini is the most recent example of his town play (in a mini), where he was leading discussion for most of the game in a lurky town environment.
If he's town, he has an opportunity to prove that over the next 48 hours. Otherwise, I'm lynching him.
Ohhh, I didn't know that size of games were of importance to him. Skimming GSL II does seem like he was a bit more interested in the game, asking for reads and such. I'll go over that more carefully tomorrow when I'm less sleepy
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On January 08 2013 11:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Never a big fan of meta cases guys. People can change their playstyle on a whim. I've seen meta cases go horribly wrong many times. A little meta here or there is fine, but entire defenses / attacks based on meta don't really hold strong. I don't think we should use them to exonerate (or damn, for that matter) Shaio.
So I ask you again, what do you think of Mr.Z after the post I just made?
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EPT
