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On January 05 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote: Do people really think it was that difficult to understand what I said? Anyway CC your case is bad and I think you're faking this read. I don't think Xatalos is that scummy, but he is an easy target. CC is scummy. ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake I'm expecting you to explain the bolded in detail when you return. 1) Why do you think CC's case is bad? 2) Why do you think that CC is "faking" the read (and didn't just build a bad case as town)? 3) Why do you think Xatalos "isn't all that scummy?" If you had a strong town read on Xatalos, I'd understand this more. However, objecting to a case against a player that's seemingly a null read is... sketchy. | ||
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On January 05 2013 13:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: He's always been scummy as shit as town, though, for whatever it's worth. In what sense? Is his logic normally this bad? Even if so, it's the activity levels and lack of engagement that are most concerning to me. | ||
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On January 05 2013 13:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Think Eywa of Witchcraft. I think I compared Eywa to Yamato... said that he produced "The Yamato effect" or something like that. Nothing will ever be comparable to Eywa in Witchcraft. Anyway from what I got from Yamato, he tunnels people aggressively and frequently as town. I haven't even gotten a glimpse of that yet this game. | ||
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On January 05 2013 13:30 jaybrundage wrote: I find it hard ot see yamato as scum. Just bad town play imo. Like a wtf this makes no sense at fuckiing all town play. Ok how so? You're going to have to go in more detail here. What in particular about his play makes you think this? Because not making sense isn't a town trait. | ||
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On January 05 2013 13:40 jaybrundage wrote: Doing things that draw a shit load of attention to you for no fucking reason isn't a scum tell. He came out of no where said something about cc's case being bad soft defended Xaltos and then decided to vote cc . It could be a ploy for discussion it could be a pressure vote. But there is one thing that it did do and that is draw alot of attention to himself. I dont see mafia making a play like and draw scrutiny on themselves. For no foreseeable reason. I disagree. For one, I've never seen yamato play a scum-game, so I'm not sure what he's capable of. Secondly, his post is attention grabbing because it was bad, and NOT because he was attention-seeking. If he was attention-seeking, I'd agree with your town read. This is simply not the case with Yamato's post here. This is especially true since Yamato NORMALLY is very boisterous, active, and confrontational with his scumreads as town. He's been the exact opposite so far. Also Jay, you've been very forthcoming with town-reads, but haven't had any scum-reads to offer. Who is your top scumread right now and why? | ||
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You've been balls out convinced that I'm scum. You've explicitly called me scum over and over throughout the thread. And now... you're not convinced that I'm scum? And not only that... you want to go after Xalatos. Mmmmmhm. Moving on Xatalos is scummy as fuck. First there is his list post. Then he defends me and calls me townie. Hapa says a few things and he has the complete opposite position. He sheeps hapa and starts calling me his number 1 scum read. That is so off. I probably want to lynch Xatalos more than I want to lynch hapa today. Oh wait, then derp I'm back to being your #1 scumread: I am pursuing my number one scum read. that is not scummy. I have before as town said Lynch all lurkers and then ignored them and pursued my number one scum read vigorously. MANY MANY MANY townies decry lurkers and then ignore them in pursuit of their biggest scum read. That is perfectly normal behavior for town. is CERTAINLY not alignment indicative nor enough grounds for a lynch as you well know. The fact of the matter is you are just grasping at anything to justify your OMGUS of me and to flame me with. I'll get to some more specifics in that reply of yours, but I just had to post this. Also DP, please outline your "case" on me, so I can rip it apart for how incoherent it is. Just give me a bullet list. | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:07 DarthPunk wrote: I will be gone soon. If I stop posting you know why. @everyone besides hapa. If you get outposted by scum as town you fail at this game. Just saying. Well, that is cool with me HAPA. I don't have to convince you you are scum. I just have to convince the town. And that should be straightforward after this little party we have been having together. And yes I do know hapas play. and he is correct in saying that this is all hallmarks of his town play but scum try to EMULATE their town play. The key difference is that Town hapa is almost always CLEARLY town. and right now He is not clearly town but quite scummy. I am gone now. If someone wishes to talk I will be back in several hours. So what's all the above then... meaningless rhetoric? Now all of a sudden, you have this new "hesitancy" about things. I'm no longer surefire scum despite all the earlier stuff you've been spouting. | ||
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You think that being unsure and inconsistent is a scum tell? You are out of your mind. I am unsure because I am unsure. If I was scum I could fucking fake certainty twist everything you say into something scummy and then tunnel you to death all the while sounding like the most confident person in the world. I have done it before. it is easy. It is exactly what you are doing with me. You're not unsure. You're lying out of your teeth. What's all this shit then if you're "unsure"? Page one of your filter screams otherwise. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112¤tpage=12#230 | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:17 DarthPunk wrote: I suggest you read my filter. Everything on hapa is contained within those posts. Most effective way to push a scum-read ever. Hell I've attempted to read through your filter and see what "case" you have against me, and it's non-existant. All I see you is screaming that I've engaged in "manipulation" and that I'm "scummy" a bunch of times. That's it. Then I see things like this and I just have to laugh: 1) And yes I do know hapas play. and he is correct in saying that this is all hallmarks of his town play but scum try to EMULATE their town play. 2) The key difference is that Town hapa is almost always CLEARLY town. and right now He is not clearly town but quite scummy. I am gone now. If someone wishes to talk I will be back in several hours. This is wrong on so many levels that it's sad. 1) You blatantly admit that everything you're accusing me of are hallmarks of my town play. Yet you randomly and arbitrarily suggest that I'm "emulating" it. Why? You offer no reasons. Whoops. 2) This is blatantly false, as you were convinced I was scum in Witchcraft Mini Mafia until I revealed my alignment to you over IRC after you died. I was not "clearly" town in your view. Hell you think I'm scum all the time when I'm town. | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:24 DarthPunk wrote: Well you linked to something that wasn't page one. So grats. And you are using my meta wrong, again. Seriously you guys need to stop using meta when you clearly can't read me accurately with it. The key point is not pushing another townie that is weaker. The key point of my meta is DROPPING the STRONGER case for a WEAKER case that is on a weaker player. The fact is I am clearly not dropping the stronger case on you. I am still quite determined to go after you. That does not mean I want to ignore everything else in the thread. I linked the post where I had a selection of quotes from your page one filter. Learn2read. Secondly, you are dropping the case in a way. When players like Shaio ask for your case against me, you are unwilling to reproduce it. You went from balls out convinced I was scum in your page-1 filter to all of a sudden "unsure" of yourself. You dropped your significant suspicions to pursue Xatalos. | ||
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He went from completely sure that I was scum on Day 1: On January 05 2013 07:07 DarthPunk wrote: I will be gone soon. If I stop posting you know why. @everyone besides hapa. If you get outposted by scum as town you fail at this game. Just saying. Well, that is cool with me HAPA. I don't have to convince you you are scum. I just have to convince the town. And that should be straightforward after this little party we have been having together. And yes I do know hapas play. and he is correct in saying that this is all hallmarks of his town play but scum try to EMULATE their town play. The key difference is that Town hapa is almost always CLEARLY town. and right now He is not clearly town but quite scummy. I am gone now. If someone wishes to talk I will be back in several hours. ... and now is trying to say that he was never sure of his read in the first place: As for not voting for hapa. I didn't feel the need to vote hapa as I was not yet sure he was scum and still am not sure. In a format such as this I don't really like parking my vote on someone for long periods of time. The last time I did so in a instant majority game someone got hammered whilst i was asleep with my vote on him as a pressure vote. So i do not wish to repeat that experience. Especially on a player like hapa that I wouldn't want to lynch unless I was very very certain of his guilt, as he is being quite active and creating content. ... That is the key point in all of this. I want to be certain of hapa's guilt before I push for his lynch. There are very good reasons to be unsure of my guilt but hapa doesn't give a fuck about that. He wants to push his lynch first on Rise then on Yamato (lynch bait of the century) then on me. Hapa demonstrably does not give a fuck about being Correct he cares about his agenda and manipulates the facts in order to facilitate that. | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:38 DarthPunk wrote: ugh I am not scum. So there is that. Case on hapa very simply Pushes weak as shit wagons for weak as shit reasons when he should know better. Look at original post. Day 1 cases are naturally "weak." In fact, name me one town game in which I do not aggressively push a weak case Day 1 in order to create discussion. When Questioned he states that it was for the purposes of promoting activity and discussion. Which is fine. But then I ask why not push lurkers as they are hurting the game more than yamato or Rise were at that point as both had posted pretty recently. Tries to say that not pushing lurkers makes me scum which is fucking absurd. How is it absurd? You've made your hatred for lurkers really clear. Yet not once have you attempted to even attempted to do anything about the lurking problem. Ever. Not even once. Hapa proceeds to go apeshit and omgus me and tunnel me which is not the reaction I would expect from a town hapa who almost always gives me a town read in similar circumstances. I did the exact same thing in Witchcraft Mini. As town. Fail. He then misinterprets and misrepresents things that I say in order to paint me as scummy and discredit my view of his scummines to the point in which it seems as if it is deliberate and pushing an agenda rather than scumhunting and searching genuinely for my alignment. Just because you say it's a mis-interpretation doesn't mean it is. I quoted posts of yours that demonstrated your "hatred" of lurkers. There is nothing in that sequence that is a mis-interpretation. He flames and omgus' away regardless of what I say. Which is unlike any town hapa ever. He has never not called me town correctly aside from his scum game in mario. I was the first to accurately push a town read on you in Rockband Mini. I called your alignment after a day-long OMGUS war in Witchcraft Mini. A lot of it is gut feeling and a complete wtf?!?! reaction to hapa going apeshit at the lightest and IMO justified pressure originally. I OMGUS for small, inane reasons as town: true or false? This started as gut-feeling, and your play is vindicating my gut. And my gut is pretty darn accurate. | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:45 DarthPunk wrote: oh and If I had to lynch now and hapa was dead. hmmm. dunno I would need to read more filters. Actually I would wait to vote until something solid comes up. Remember when you called Xatalos scummy as shit? Yeah I guess you forgot about that huh? | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:47 DarthPunk wrote: Hapa. If you could day vig me right now. Would you do it? Honestly no. The tunneling process is how I vindicate my read on someone. I'm leaning very heavily scum on you, but I'm not 100% convinced. The percentage is ticking up rather quickly though. | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:48 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah. He is. But I am not certain. Holy fuck dude I change my mind and am unsure as a townie with no info on day one. That doesn't sound plausible at all now does it? Yeah, but how the hell did you change your mind so quickly? You just called Xatalos "scummy as shit" barely an hour ago. Then all of a sudden you're unsure again? | ||
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 eep Breath*Okeydoke. Admittedly I'm spamming too much and it's getting hard to communicate with you effectively. Can you hash out your case on me in a clear manner so I can respond to it in one shot? I'll do the same in whatever order you choose. | ||
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Damn that smiley * Deep Breath* | ||
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