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yamato77
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On January 06 2013 00:19 Hapahauli wrote: I don't want to get too much into RL stuffs, but is your activity going to be a problem going forward? Because 30 minutes a day to "chime in" on things is not what I want to have from you going forward. It'll get better after the weekend. I might have more time later today but I don't even know if I work in six hours or fourteen, lol. I have to wake up to find out. | ||
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yamato77
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Either vote me or not. I've been up front about my play this game and yet you continue to act suspicious of me. You have yet to vote me. It seems to me you're sitting on the idea of voting me just to look like you have scum reads. Fuck that. ##Vote: Hapahauli | ||
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yamato77
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##Unvote As for who I do want to lynch, I mentioned Mr Zentor before and I still think he's being scummy. He's overly eager to lynch someone, and doesn't seem to care what that person's alignment is. His vote on you is odd, and while it seems like a joke it did move you that much closer to being lynched which is a consideration one has to make when they put a vote on someone. He hasn't exactly been real investigative about people's alignments this game. I also don't like that he wants to be the person to hammer people, given what I've said about the hammer vote before. I don't trust his judgment. So MrZ, why are you acting so impatient? Hapa has a good point that the longer town waits to lynch the better the lynch could be, so why do you think differently? Scum want the emotional, quick lynch you seem to want to happen. | ||
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I see you have a town read on MrZ, care to explain why? I don't think he's town and honestly he's been favoring the scummier path of action this game what with his impatience and such. | ||
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On January 06 2013 15:47 Z-BosoN wrote: @yamato I want you to answer what you think of the cheesecake man. You voted for him for no good reason, or at least no reason you felt like explaining. You justified your vote on CC as being a pressure vote (which clearly didn't look like one). Later on, you said your vote on him was to get a better read on him. If this is true, where is your better read of him? Why are you not commenting on CC? Do you think he is scum? I want to understand your thought process. Well as I said before my read has changed on CC because of his recent actions. He has been advocating pro-town things in the thread and being open with his thought process. Earlier I believe I was falling into bad habits. I'm prone to confirmation bias, and CC has been on the receiving end many times. I looked at his case and it screamed shitty scumhunting to me so I voted for him to see what he would do. I half expected scum CC to OMGUS me on the spot but he didn't, he just kind of laughed at it which is what he'd done to me in games past when he was town so I rethought my position. | ||
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On January 06 2013 15:56 Z-BosoN wrote: Finally, a living soul around these part! Hi there ^^ I agree that Mr.Z has very few good looking posts, I've read somewhere that his meta isn't one to be taken too seriously. He has also been open with his thoughts, if you look at my spreadsheet. He's not a particular strong town read, but I don't want to lynch into him today. What I don't understand is that you are finding him to be scum for the very same actions that you yourself took! You took a vote at CC. You took a vote at hapa. I find it hypocritical for you to use that sole fact for judging someone scum. Why is Mr.Z scum for placing his vote non-seriously if thats the same thing you are doing? I've been serious about the use of my vote this game. At the time I made the posts, I felt that putting my vote on them was a good action to take. I have not, however, been advocating a quick lynch. You don't see me posting about being impatient and wanting people to die. To draw a similarity between the two is silly at best. What I want to know is how you have a different read on he and I if we've supposedly done the same thing this game. | ||
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On January 05 2013 11:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I was on last night before anything juicy happened. Just Rise and policy stuff, none too interesting. Worked a 12 hour shift, gave a little update on my whereabouts during lunch, and here am I. So Xatalos is scummy yo + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 07:23 Xatalos wrote: Sorry for the late entrance, but I warned about this pre-game :/ Anyways, there are a couple of players whose posting I haven't liked so far: MrZentor Additional discussion time benefits town and damages Mafia. Mafia's agenda is to stall discussion and create confusion - both of these goals are achieved by faster lynches where less players can offer their opinions. From my point of view, the above post is pushing Mafia agenda. This post basically repeats what was already said in the previous post... Plus some obvious setup talk that anyone could post, no matter their alignment. It's quite unnecessary to mention that his "faster lynches plan" is a guideline and not a strictly enforced rule. Who would have thought so in the first place, really? Another post that doesn't fit into town agenda. Regardless of the trollish appearance, this post actually gives MrZentor more breathing room if he just joins a bandwagon without good reasoning later on. He told he would do so after all, didn't he? More fluff... So far there's nothing townish in MrZentor's filter, and too much useless/anti-town stuff to be overlooked. If he's town, he needs to change his playstyle completely. If he's Mafia, he needs to continue on his current path and convince us he can't be town. Mr. Cheesecake Who was he again? I only remembered him after rereading the thread a couple of times. He hasn't actually taken stances on anything that matters (not counting obvious stuff like "we should lynch the scummiest player"). What I'm most worried about is his complete lack of presence - he's basically casually lurking without being too obvious. I'm unwilling to judge him yet, but he isn't looking good so far. I'm not looking good so far. Lol k. Why the hell isn't Xatalos attacking me for wanting a shorter lynch time? I basically said 48-72 hoursish just like MrZ. I agreed with MrZ on that point. Inconsistency much? Why is it not okay for MrZ to want a shorter lynch time, but seemingly alright with me to want it? jaybrundage This is his whole filter. It's certainly... lacking, for a lack of better word. First he speculates a bit about blue roles, then gives a list of vague of his policy opinions, then leaves. It's just all too vague and pointless for my liking. What's up with this lack of effort, interest, anything really? Some players have been very active so far and it's definitely a good theme in this game. But some players (like these 3 above) have done practically nothing, even if they have posted. That should be some reason for concern to anyone. Just look at these reasons for attacking MrZ. "Omg you want less time in the game? Obvious mafia-agenda pushing. It's such a cheap shot it's disgusting, and what an easy thing to point out. Some goes for the point about hammer votes. He attacks MrZ for a fairly null comment, it means nothing. Why the hell isn't Xatalos attacking me for wanting a shorter lynch time? I basically said 48-72 hoursish just like MrZ. I agreed with MrZ on that point. Inconsistency much? Why is it not okay for MrZ to want a shorter lynch time, but seemingly alright with me to want it? So his first post of the game pretty much calls out a third of the thread. Stuff on Jaybrundage is bland and basically summarizes instead of analyzes. Then comes the mother of all contradictory posts: So he thinks DarthPunk is town, and provides a reason to back it up. Cool beans. Not even a half-hour later: So now DarthPunk is possibly scum and he provides a quote with a bunch of dem bolded statements to back it up. But didn't Xatalos just say that DP was looking town? That he agreed with a lot of what he had to say? This is a huuuuuge 180 right here. He just felt very comfortable with DP being town. Now he feels uneasy. Dat 180 on DP. Explain. The main points in this case are that Xatalos is inconsistent with his logic about MrZ being scum, and had a 180 on DP. The first point is a weak one, and doesn't mean SHIT about the alignment of Xatalos. I actually agree with what Xatalos had to say about MrZ here. Just because he didn't attack CC for the exact same things and repeat himself doesn't make him scum. The second point wasn't a strong one either. He never contradicted his own logic, he simply had a change of heart based on some of the things Hapa was saying about DP. Taken out of context with some red text it LOOKS bad but it isn't really. Xatalos doesn't even come across as scum to me even if he changed his read completely that fast because I've seen townies do that a lot. I do it as town, too. So with two weak points in his case where he attacked a player I felt was going down the right road in putting pressure on MrZ, I found CC's motivations scummy. He had not contributed anything meaningful before that point and this post has done a lot this game in making Xatalos look worse. So I voted for CC to see if my suspicions were correct, that he was scum pushing a bad case. It happened to be that he wasn't scum, but he was still pushing a bad case. So I unvoted him after a better look at his play which suggests a good town. | ||
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From the YANMM Obs QT after I died, I asked how I could have played better: Toad 12-31-2012 09:27 PM ET (US) @Yamato: less emotional would have been better Yamato. I saw you getting influenced by people and how they posted and thought you're raging a lot. And I think you did or it at least altered your reads a lot because you ended up pushing people who made you mad if I remember correctly. I'm trying. | ||
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On January 06 2013 16:58 Hapahauli wrote: @ Yamato How's the activity outlook for you tomorrow? Also, MrZ is your top scumread, correct? What do you make of Z-Bo's stuff on Xatalos? I'll be active at some point but not the whole day. Split up. I'll answer questions and stuff though. The Xatalos thing looks worse now than it did when I looked at him earlier. If this were deadline majority I would be willing to lynch him over MrZ if no one else thought MrZ was scummy. | ||
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On January 06 2013 17:02 Hapahauli wrote: What's most concerning about you right now Yamato is the relatively little analysis in your filter. I would better accept a play-style change if the scumhunting came with it. It hasn't yet, and I don't know if that's due to RL stuff or more sinister motives. Like really, I'm most interested in seeing you scum-hunt and building cases. Every time I'm on I don't really get to interact with anyone but you so hopefully at some point this changes. From here on out I'll be able to devote more time to this game so it will get better. | ||
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He's only given a lot of town reads and acted impatient about lynching people. His filter is full of one liners that provide little reasoning for what he wants to do this game aside from Lynch people. He seems more preoccupied with there being a lynch than who is going to be lynched. He hasn't helped town find who they should lynch, either. Hapa says he's a bored townie but he looks like a scum just waiting for an excuse to hammer a townie lynch. | ||
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On January 06 2013 18:04 ShiaoPi wrote: What makes MrZ scummier than Xatalos in your opinion? Apathy about who is lynched, less scum hunting than Xatalos, less reasoning posted than Xatalos, more trollish nature to his posting. Plus he's advocated the idea that we should limit our discussions in favor of making a decision on a lynch which is a scum favored idea. | ||
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On January 06 2013 18:10 ShiaoPi wrote: Are you familiar with MrZ's meta? He is playing pretty much according to it imo... I am not familiar with his meta, so I don't factor that in to my decision making. | ||
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yamato77
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If he can't manage to pull it together and play more townie, I would certainly lynch him. Just because he has a meta of being useless as town doesn't mean he should be allowed to get away with it every game. There's always the chance he's useless and scum, you know. | ||
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As I've mentioned before he's advocated the idea that we should be deciding on a lynch by now, which is in opposition to the town-favored idea Hapa put forth that we should allow more time for ourselves so that we don't end up mislynching. Indeed so far that has been good, because we haven't done anything rash or stupid just because we felt we had to decide on someone to kill. On January 04 2013 09:37 MrZentor wrote: Also, dragging days out will lead to decreased interest in the game by town, increasing inactivity, and generally making things easier for scum. Days should be 48-72 hours. He's expressed this sentiment multiple times since this initial post in the form of troll votes and acts of impatience. He's pushing town toward making a bad decision which is something I do not think we should be doing. Only scum would want to advocate this idea. On January 05 2013 07:21 MrZentor wrote: I will use my hammer vote as soon as I possibly can. It's unlikely that scum will want to have the final vote on somebody, because it will put them under a lot of scrutiny. This post here he looks like he's setting himself up for making the hammer vote on a player, and then calling himself town for doing it. And again he's advocating the idea that quick hammer lynches are a good thing when they only benefit scum. On January 06 2013 11:23 MrZentor wrote: There's too little information to make an accurate lynch first day; we're just wasting time by delaying it. Here he bemoans day 1 as useless and says we should lynch someone. He doesn't have any good ideas of who to lynch, nor has he helped make day 1 more useful, he just wants to kill someone. Apathy about who is lynched is a scummy trait. So basically instead of being pro-town and scum hunting, or even offering up a scum read, he's given town reads on people and told us all to lynch someone quickly. He's playing anti town. | ||
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How is Shiao voting for a lurker who eventually got replaced scummy? He wants him to be more active, and somehow that's scum motivated? His stances are not weak. He's been putting pressure on me since he made the post, and he wants to do so to you. It's not like he's just saying shit to say it. And then this gem "I guess it's about time to finally cast a vote" Or in other words: "I'm going to put this riiiiight here. Hopefully town doesn't think I'm scummy for this!" That shit is weak, bro. | ||
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