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On January 08 2013 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 06:22 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato:
You trusted MrZ because he didn't hammer vote... The fuck?
@ DP
How about the day before - you really haven't been all that active of late The day before I was defending myself against you. Yeah I haven't been as active as normal, but that is mainly because it is the middle of summer here and I have been going outside and doing other things aside from mafia. I don't think I have been useless, I had trouble getting a read earlier but now I have a pretty solid scum read on CC. I find it very interesting that he is just flat out refusing to comment on my case other than saying I am right and he is scummy.
Perhaps that is because he knows I am correct.
What makes this situation different from your town case on Xatalos?
Didn't care about being scummy. = Town
Didn't alter his play when it was obviously getting him into shit = Town
Continued to pursue his reads with the whole thread calling him out for them = Town
CC's play seems to fit the bolded pretty well.
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Also, why is it that no one talks unless I ask questions? It's getting borderline absurd.
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On January 08 2013 07:23 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 07:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
And what happens when i flip town, darth?
Expected response: you won't Then we get rid of a scummy as hell townie
Which is not a good idea.
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On January 08 2013 07:45 MrZentor wrote:
lol
If I may bitch a bit...
A townie's primary goal is to scumhunt. Acting "cute" is fine and dandy, but you're forgetting the part where you're supposed to find scum.
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On January 08 2013 07:53 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 07:47 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 07:45 MrZentor wrote:
lol If I may bitch a bit... A townie's primary goal is to scumhunt. Acting "cute" is fine and dandy, but you're forgetting the part where you're supposed to find scum. The night is when you party. Day is for scumhunting.
Just promise me you'll do more mmmkay?
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Strategic spam. I want my next post at the top of the page.
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Two Rules for Tomorrow:
1) Do not rush the lynch! Day should be 48 hours minimum.
2) Talk! Ask questions for god sakes!
Take time to consider the lynch tomorrow. Patience is very key in these situations - quick, emotional swings (like Day 1) are likely to be disasters for town.
Also, I am basically 33% of this game in terms of content. If I get shot and townies decide not to step up to the plate to lead discussion, it's game over.
Lastly, if no NK happens tomorrow, you can probably assume that there is a doctor and he/she made a hero save. In that case, the named townie should most definitely claim (if there is one).
People that are likely TOWN
Mr.CC - He's town. I did find that one post of his questionable, but outside of that, he's behaving really really townie. He doesn't care about suspicion on him, and that's not a scum reaction. Hell that's not a reaction that scum can easily fake. Context for gods sakes. As a side note, the CC suspicion is coming together far too easily for my tastes. It feels like mafia are either pushing it or just letting it happen.
MrZ - Much the same as CC. Doesn't give a shit about suspicion on him. He's town.
People that need looking into
DP - I'm disappointed at the lurkiness, but I keep going back to his "Fuck you" vote on Jay, which I see as townie. That's not a natural scum reaction to being under pressure. DP is a capable scum-player though, and he is good at faking emotion. The lurkiness scares me, but I doubt he's scum.
Z-Boson - He's slightly town on behavior, since he did more scum-hunting in his first hour in the thread than most people have done all game. He is a rather capable scum-player though, so I think there's a chance here.
Yamato - Very uncharacteristically inactive, and there's some sketchy logic in his filter. There are things that make me lean town on him (his OMGUS vote on me when I was tunneling him is extremely brave for a potential scum). However, there are things that make me lean scum on him (his hammer on Xatalos and his seeming trust of MrZ). Very null here due to his inactivity. Be worried if he doesn't post more in the following cycle.
Jay - I don't like his tunnel on CC, nor do I like some of the actions in his filter. Examples include:
1) His interactions with DP early in the thread. He was attacking DP in a very scummy manner when I was tunneling DP.
2) Very wide array of suspicions post-Xalatos lynch. He seems to be flinging a lot of shit in the way of Yamato and MrZ (even Shaio pre-lynch) despite being "convinced" that Mr.CC is scum.
3) His general attitude on DP is very strange. When I called DP town, Jay initially refused to back down on his scum read on DP. I don't think he's mentioned a read on DP since.
My general hesitancy on him is that he's lynch-bait.
ShaioPi - I've seen Shaio inactive in the early game as town on occasions. Often he feels "overwhelmed" by large #'s of players and prefers a smaller setting (as was the case in Mafia LVII early game). However, when he's town amongst a smaller group of players, he is a very capable scum-hunter and isn't afraid to take control.
The endgame of Mafia LVII is a great example of him taking control, as well as his stellar performance throughout GSL II Mini.
In this game, he's done the following:
1) Light pressure on RiseAgain
2) Questioning DP's scumread on myself
3) OMGUS vote on Xatalos
That's far less than I would expect from a townie Shaio.
As far as scum #2 goes, I'm far far less sure. Put a gun to my head and I'd say Jay. But he's lynch-bait so eh.
However, I highly highly doubt that a town ShaioPi would be this useless in a 9-player game. Give him 48 hours tomorrow to post. If he does not shit scumhunting rainbows into the thread, or if he doesn't give you a really really good reason to make you think he's town, he's scum and needs to be lynched. Period.
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For emphasis: you're all retards if you decide to lynch CC tomorrow.
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@ ShaioPi
You have 48 hours to show me that you're town.
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So ideally, today I want to be able to sit back and observe. That would involve one or more townies taking control of the discussion, asking questions, and pursuing scum-reads.
I don't want to be the guy forcing things. I'm obv-town at this point, and there's no point in establishing my townie-ness any further.
If you're town, today is the day for you to show it.
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Well we know for a fact that scum know the setup and blues. Given this, the named VT out there needs to claim (if there is one). Parity cop obviously shouldn't claim.
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On January 08 2013 08:11 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa I'm interested in hearing more about your accusations against Shiao because I definitely do not share your opinion of him.
A lot of people have been inactive this game, what about his inactivity is special?
His OMGUS deal with Xatalos didn't seem that scummy to me. I defended him after all.
Substantiate the case, if you will.
Substantiate your town read on him. Also tell me who you'd lynch over him and why? I'll answer when you finish things.
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On January 08 2013 08:11 Z-BosoN wrote:
Sorry guys, took longer than I expected, traffic was a slut. I'm glad no one died.
Hapa are you here?
Yep. Need your thoughts and stuffs. I'm rather disappointed that you didn't post anything last night, especially since you were a plausible NK target (with everyone thinking you are town and whatnot).
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On January 08 2013 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
So you are. Don't go ahead and disappear. I want to discuss ShiaoPi and CC with you.
Why me? Discuss them with the rest of the thread. I'm the last person you should be asking the opinion of right now - I'm obv-town. We need to hear answers from others to determine their alignment.
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On January 08 2013 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
So you are. Don't go ahead and disappear. I want to discuss ShiaoPi and CC with you. Why me? Discuss them with the rest of the thread. I'm the last person you should be asking the opinion of right now - I'm obv-town. We need to hear answers from others to determine their alignment. So what? Asking opinions is a good way to find scum, but it also adds information. I actually think the opposite, since you are 99% town right now, you should dish out as much info as you can, as it's almost guaranteed non-bullshit. I can understand your view this game due to inactiveness, but I don't want you to go full inactive (dunno if that's what you plan to do). @Mr.CCIt's cause I think Hapa is wrong on you and wrong on ShiaoPi. Since you are right here - let me ask you this, do you think DP is scum?
Oh you bet I'll be dishing out information. I just need to see people taking some initiative right now. I don't want people sheeping me. I need to see who's pushing reads for what reasons and why.
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@ Yamato
You think scum wouldn't have a similar reaction to you? I hate to be harsh, but it's not like you push town agendas in your town-games very frequently.
Also, Shaio making a list post is not a town tell.
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On January 08 2013 08:29 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:26 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
So you are. Don't go ahead and disappear. I want to discuss ShiaoPi and CC with you. Why me? Discuss them with the rest of the thread. I'm the last person you should be asking the opinion of right now - I'm obv-town. We need to hear answers from others to determine their alignment. So what? Asking opinions is a good way to find scum, but it also adds information. I actually think the opposite, since you are 99% town right now, you should dish out as much info as you can, as it's almost guaranteed non-bullshit. I can understand your view this game due to inactiveness, but I don't want you to go full inactive (dunno if that's what you plan to do). @Mr.CCIt's cause I think Hapa is wrong on you and wrong on ShiaoPi. Since you are right here - let me ask you this, do you think DP is scum? Oh you bet I'll be dishing out information. I just need to see people taking some initiative right now. I don't want people sheeping me. I need to see who's pushing reads for what reasons and why. I'll be the new hapa then :D
I would be so happy if you did this
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On January 08 2013 08:54 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato
You think scum wouldn't have a similar reaction to you? I hate to be harsh, but it's not like you push town agendas in your town-games very frequently.
Also, Shaio making a list post is not a town tell. So I should think Shaio is scum for thinking the same things as me, a town player? That doesn't make sense to me.
What prevents a scum from thinking the same way as you (if you're town)? The similarities in your thought processes have no relevance to his alignment, since we don't know if the players he's giving his thoughts on are scum or town. What if one of your town reads is scum, or if one of your scum reads is town? A mafia would be happy to think they way you are thinking.
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On January 08 2013 08:57 yamato77 wrote:
EBWOP
Also how do I look townie and push scum objectives at the same time, Hapa? Earlier you had a meta read on me because I "look townie" in YANMM but you seem to think I push scum objectives? I'm not sure I follow that line of reasoning either.
I thought I made it clear. I'm very null on you, because I have conflicting reads on you. I think most of that is due to your RL business, which has made it hard for me to get a good feel for your gameplay.
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