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On February 01 2013 11:48 Aperture Science wrote:
That argument doesn't make logical sense.
If you're both scum, he doesn't have to worry about doing 2 damage to you because you won't take a second hit from the mafia beast.
By the way, if you have another mind's aglow or another join forces card, I'll put all of my mana into it.
But then there's no reason for him to play Syphon Soul in the first place. If I'm not getting hit by the mafia kp next turn, that play makes no sense at all, especially since he hasn't bothered to explain himself at all. And yes, I'm getting at a logical contradiction, whose premises are that Crossfire and I are mafia. Can you see what it is? 
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My original wincon was Battle of Wits using Spawnsire of Ulamog to shuffle >200 legendary Eldrazi into my deck while also destroying everyone elses' permanents and taking an arbitrary number of extra turns. Unfortunately, it didn't pass muster 
So whatever it is you're doing, feel free to share :D
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Its really difficult to play when I cant see the cards
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What.
Crossfire, Mind explaining why you used Soul Siphon as town?
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Sorry I haven't been available today and yesterday - it's been a very weird couple of days. It's a bit unfortunate that I don't see myself living another day - I have Seer's Vision, something that would nigh-confirm Aperture Science, referring to his claim that his current hand is awful. It would also be pretty handy to validate Stutters' play.
This is just a precaution so that the scum team doesn't decide to get all clever and leave me alive in the hopes of mislynching me. If I'm alive tomorrow, I'm going to reveal everyone's hands, and then together we can decide on what to discard.
As for actual analysis, I'm quite unimpressed with Aperture's second spreadsheet PBPA. First off, it's hosted in the same workbook as his PBPA on me, so it's clear that he's not just updating these as he reads, but is rather making them as he is forced to present cases. Furthermore, bouncing reads off of your other hydra head =/= using a constantly updating simultaneous-entry Google Doc where you can just default to agreeing with what the other person said already. Look at it: if iGrok's blank entries are 0s, then they differ by more than 2 on only 3 posts, or only 8% of Stutters total posts.
The beauty of having multiple people go over a filter is that they notice different things about it, and they often find different things about it suspicious. Scum are known to have trouble making good cases on townies, and what do you do when you're having trouble? You get lazy!
Now Aperture Science is claiming that between the two of them, their reads on Stutters were both independent and also almost exactly the same? Take that into consideration, along with everything else, and it looks quite scummy.
In fact, I'd be quite willing to bet that if we could get a look at Aperture Science's hand, we would not see:
On February 01 2013 11:33 Aperture Science wrote:
(...) and I can't do anything with this ridiculous, BULLSHIT hand.
MG
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That's great, what's your general? I'm currently building ultra-aggressive Edric to shake up my local metagame from endless ramp and ramp.
While you're here, mind revealing your hand? It's going to be public information if I live tomorrow
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Hey guys, I AM EXTREMELY SORRY for being fucking useless.
And I have no idea how I can contribute.
/Oats
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I have no clue at this point, just really really hard to like pin down scummy stuff due to the Magic discussion.
ALTHOUGH
iGrok is pretty suspicious cause
On February 03 2013 03:44 Aperture Science wrote:
When it comes to iGrok you either you can either have the emotional, trolling version or the scumhunting, logical version. Can't have both. I prefer the scumhunting one myself but if you are displeased with us analyzing stutters you can certainly say so.
Like yeah, so far the scumhunting logical one hasent shown up. 'analyzing' the filter of a player is really easy to do as Scum/Town so therefore, Aperture has not clearly shown that he is town yet.
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On February 03 2013 23:27 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 22:04 RockHydra wrote:
oh snap. Aperture caught in a lie.
Pretty damning.
If you combine that with his decklist he seems too dangerous to not lynch next.
Still wanna read over his filter again though, but I suppose we have time for that.
/zebezt
The decklist he gave doesn't actually sound that dangerous imo. At the very least, not until he has 9+ mana up. Which might mean he has something else "dangerous" in his deck he didn't tell about, or he just wants to cast this Scrambleverse stuff and go full RNG. Which I wouldn't have a problem with, since everything will be 6x more likely to hit town. So statistically, it'd be a REALLY bad move for scum, and really good for town. Tho a really dangerous thing (potentially) was Acidic Ground, but bin only got a new frontiers off, so he can't just oneshot everything with it either. I feel like, if Aperture is scum, he'd probably be more happy to go through the deck with MA, let everyone get a million basics next turn, and then just instagib half of town. Cross and himself both not running (many) basics themself, and Cross running this global dmg scum deck of his, it would basically (no pun intended) be an awesome "we win nao" move. And AT LEAST get people into one-shot range of the mafia beast. Add in one of those copy spells... Now now, it's possible he just didn't think about it and stuff, so I'mma not get too deep into those explanations. Just some food for thought. I'll have to ask Acro on what else that deck's supposed to do, though. Mb I missed something big. (Once he's lucid again, that is) It sounds way2complicated for me. ~dandel
Um, guys, that's not the deck he's playing in this MTG Mafia II game. That's his real-life EDH deck (I'm not sure why he brought up the subject in the first place, and I apologize for asking him about it, but I didn't expect him to post his decklist :3). Let's not get distracted by that, of all things :D
MG
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If you don't, I'd be willing to mail you mine at some point 
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Yeah, I'm sure we could arrange for some kind of trade. I do like to support the post office whenever I can
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