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BinOnFire
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On January 31 2013 02:21 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Uh, I would actually guess not. The premise would be: Bin (MG + Oats) are scum. MG provides a plan to do with this card, which either a) has the aim of looking "pro-town" b) furthers mafia agenda (mafia have some reason for this card or something). On this basis I don't understand Oats' motivation at all for then proceeding to cast doubt on the plan. If it's good for mafia for whatever reason, they have the motivation for keeping the plan of playing this card looking as townie as possible, which is the opposite of what's been achieved. should have stood by itself. Why follow it up with something that doesn't add any more weight to the argument? | ||
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Here's the thing: as soon as Collective Voyage resolves, town immediately becomes much more favored to win the game. The original plan was to draw enough cards off of Minds Aglow to make drawing Collective Voyage extremely likely. Then, if I cast it, town gets a huge advantage and goes on to win the game, most of the time. Had I rolled scum, I would never, ever cast it, for any reason. So now we're in the position where, after I see what cards I draw, here's what you guys see on T2: A) MG casts Collective Voyage - great, regardless of MG's alignment, town just became much more favored to win the game. B) MG doesn't cast Collective Voyage - hmm, either MG is town and simply didn't draw Collective Voyage; or MG is a scum player that would allow the town to draw 7:2 cards in an elaborate ploy that may or may not gain credibility, the actions of his other hydra-head notwithstanding. This is another reason why I wanted to draw more cards off of Minds Aglow - it gives you all a much stronger test for my alignment: If I drew enough cards that there's <5% of me not drawing Collective Voyage, but then I claim to not have drawn a copy of it, then you're left free to entertain whatever alternative hypotheses you want. That's perfectly fair and reasonable. Quantitatively, had we all drawn 16 cards, there'd have been a 91% chance for me to draw at least one Collective Voyage. However, currently, Minds Aglow is only at X=6, so I only have a 67% chance to draw at least one Collective Voyage. I know I'm town, so if I haven't drawn it by T2 of course I'm going to be saying that I didn't draw it. I'm sure you all can see how that could get really awkward, really fast. If I were mafia, could you honestly see me playing this suicidally? It just wouldn't make any sense at all. Cheers, MG | ||
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BinOnFire
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Crossfire's sequence of plays looks very anti-town to me (depriving everyone else of 2 draws to play beatdown?), and I'm currently laughing out loud about Braid of Fire. That's an awesome choice for this format, iGrok :D | ||
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Also hopeless wtf man, why you so lurky? | ||
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/MG | ||
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On January 31 2013 04:35 RockHydra wrote: Don't be an idiot. If I post in my morning that I'm going to post in the evening, you should wait till it's actually evening before complaining about empty promises. I'm now gonna do some reading n posting. /zebezt So let's see what you've done in the additional hours you've had since then: - calls me slightly town - calls CW null - calls Nova null, calls Stutters null, and calls Crossfire null - bonus read on DontFear: null-town - calls marv null So, uh, according to him, he and Aperture are mafia? But wait! On January 31 2013 00:34 RockHydra wrote: Nice work, grok/aperture pretty impressed with the effort. Hope it was fun for you  This is setting a high standard for analysis. I must admit I kinda missed the link at first too when I glanced over it. Never seen the spreadsheet approach before. So I guess everyone is null or town! As if that weren't silly enough: On January 31 2013 08:35 RockHydra wrote: ALL creatures, or creatures played during Turn 1 (as per the OP)? Also, I think SnB asked, the ninja deck is just for fun. My draw looks alright, but I'm not really going to be a powerhouse for a while, if at all. ~Hopeless Did you somehow miss the news that everyone was going to be getting at the very least 2 more lands from me T2, along with any other Join Forces effects I get? 5 lands for a ninja deck, with a full hand, should be more than enough to start putting threats on the board! This post to me says "don't hurt me!" and combined with his null reads on everyone, makes me even more convinced that RockHydra is scum. | ||
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BinOnFire
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Im still thinking that CH is scum. I guess if we flip Nova, and Xfire and Aperture and there is only 1 scum, LYNCH CH. I have not contributed cause im lazy and have no idea what to post cause im totes scum. UHUH APERTURE IM SCUM. | ||
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BinOnFire
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I guess if we flip Nova, and Xfire and Aperture and there is only 1 scum Read. Seriously. Also I got hit by mafia creature so, Im the only confirmed town here. SO SHEEP ME. And kill Xfire first. Then Aperture. | ||
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BinOnFire
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How does it not make sense? Actually I think CH might be 3rd scummiest. MINIONS. hey | ||
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Also I did read it, maybe someone should explain this Super obvious thing. | ||
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I assume you are Acro, cause I dont think Dandel is a dick. I might be wrong though :/ /Oats | ||
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Acro is like a boxer and Dandel is his small excitable trainer that is like 'HIT HIM COME ON.' Heh. /Oats | ||
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I've got nothing for you guys but a New Frontiers for 2. Hopefully that's enough  ##Play: Forest ##Cast: New Frontiers X=2 ##Search for: Plains, Swamp | ||
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Since you just assumed that Aperture is town. | ||
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I'm going to laugh even harder if I gain life somehow this turn, and the scum-team has to waste another turn of attacking to kill me :D MG | ||
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Oats' shit just feels bad, and MG isn't playing like I know he can in a mason circle (which is what a Hydra is). This is really weird, wont Scum Oats+MG make sure I dont do idiotic things? Like the thing you just called me scum for is what scum WOULDNT do. | ||
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That said, and as will become clear when our QT link is published, Oats and I are usually on at different times, and we've resorted to posting our individual thoughts without coming to a proper consensus. Heck, this is the first time we've both been on at the same time, and do you see us making any sense together ?That said, I've already cast New Frontiers and discarded a Death Grasp (addressing your earlier concern about my claim to be running the card in the first place). If I were scum, why would Crossfire out himself for the sole purpose of making my death this turn possible? I'm not asking for an exhaustive case. Just answer me this: Assuming that I'm scum, and that Crossfire is scum, as you've agreed, justify his actions. Frame the scum agenda. Surely the gameplan wouldn't have been to give town advantages and then immediately claim scum? MG | ||
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