EPT[T] MTG Mini Mafia II - Page 44
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
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BinOnFire
Laos123 Posts
Crossfire's sequence of plays looks very anti-town to me (depriving everyone else of 2 draws to play beatdown?), and I'm currently laughing out loud about Braid of Fire. That's an awesome choice for this format, iGrok :D | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 31 2013 08:35 RockHydra wrote: ALL creatures, or creatures played during Turn 1 (as per the OP)? Creatures played during Turn 1. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On January 31 2013 08:53 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Hopeless, I'd really like if you could comment on the stuff that happened in the thread so far. For instance the whole Nova vs Suck thing, comment on Aperture and his play, what you think about the "at least 1 hydra is scum, who is it?" thingy, etc. /G Nova vs Suck Colors are relative and not necessarily representative of strong reads Aperture That analysis post/link is awesome as far as scumhunting goes. He's set a standard for himself that needs to be upheld so I feel quite good about his overall contributions so far, and I expect similar in the future. At least 1 hydra... BinOnFire is my pick right now if I have to pick one, but I don't necessarily subscribe to the 1 (non)-hydra MUST 100% be scum. I'm rereading right now and grabbing dinner. Back soon. ~Hopeless | ||
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RockHydra
Pitcairn222 Posts
On January 31 2013 10:05 Hopeless1der wrote: Nova vs Suck Colors are relative and not necessarily representative of strong reads Aperture That analysis post/link is awesome as far as scumhunting goes. He's set a standard for himself that needs to be upheld so I feel quite good about his overall contributions so far, and I expect similar in the future. At least 1 hydra... BinOnFire is my pick right now if I have to pick one, but I don't necessarily subscribe to the 1 (non)-hydra MUST 100% be scum. I'm rereading right now and grabbing dinner. Back soon. ~Hopeless Oh yeah, the hydra part of this. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
First and foremost RH entrance feels town. He was pretty fierce about defending his 0/X creatures and seeing that they're artifacts I can see some synergies that make sense with that(memories of that artifact deck in DotP mostly). I'm not seeing the connections to a Ninja deck from that but I'm sure it'll become apparent. If he just chumps then then disregard this, but it felt town. I really don't like his filter after that though. They're barely out posting me as a hydra, and their only hint of scumhunting is calling me out for lurking, defending XFs newbie to mtg post and a list that they don't say anyone is more than town to null in. Then to defend not looking at hydras when mathematically it is way more likely for a hydra is svummy as duck to me. | ||
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Clockwork Hydra
Uzbekistan442 Posts
Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games: LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1. PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon. Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1. I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game. The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day. Verdict: scum Then we get this: + Show Spoiler [Marv's defense] + On January 30 2013 22:12 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Hi. I said I found Cross suspicious, and told you something I noted about it. I'm not gonna rehash what has already been said by multiple other posters. Although if it would make you happy I can have a go at rephrasing the same things again (hint: I won't do this). As far as I'm aware, I'm also one of the first (if not the first) to give the opinion of Stutters that his posts seemed interested and his empty promises mean nothing for alignment. Simply enough I was never going to post a lot this game. Last Magic game I did not a single thing, so this is me trying some  As for Aperture, I did the meme because I found what he did hilarious in its hypocrisy. I don't know how to judge it so much right now, and he'll have to be judged on his long-awaited scumhunting after the 'profiling' of the players that he's apparently carrying out. I don't really share my other half's suspicion of CH right now, although Acro is someone I'm generally extremely wary of being able to play a strong town game as mafia. I don't particularly like the condescending tone Acro has taken in several of his posts, but I don't think that has to be indicative of him being mafia. -marvelbabe This touched all the wrong keys. Marv is a good player, he knows when he has been contributing and when he hasn't. So why the hell bother making this post? It's a load of nothing in which he claims to have done more than he has, and in the next breath says he won't do much this game at all. It is NOT a post I would associate with Marv as either alignment, so we have to throw meta overboard (as with most of his play this game): in that case I see no town reason for making a post in which you claim to contribute, apologize for not contributing and fill it out with a bit of fluff. Verdict: scum Marv's redemption (a bit). The only post by Marv that makes me think he might be town is this response to me "catching him out": + Show Spoiler [Marv figuring things out] + On January 31 2013 05:21 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: It means you fail at analysis, and you overestimate yourself. As mafia, playing a card like MG played is obviously a pretty big deal, as it has large implications and certainly seems pro-town. There really would have to have been a specific conversation about it if they were mafia, I think. On the other hand, as town, MG would just be playing this card because it's good for town, and the need to plan it out is far less. To me it seems pretty obvious that a mafia Bin would have talked this over and made sure they were united far more than a town Bin. That is why I consider it somewhat of a town tell, not a null tell. This is somewhat analogous to how in normal games, mafia players usually post and stuff by themselves, but for big decisions like who they're looking to mislynch the next day or who they're going to NK, they're going to talk about it. Now this impressed me for two reasons: the first is that IF this was a scum play, it was fucking fast. The time difference between the posts is 5 minutes, which is a damn short time to come up with an elaborate story like this. The second is that it makes a coherent train of thought and it seems as if Marv thought of this first, then jumped to the conclusion he came to, and posted his conclusion. When I then asked him how he had missed something obvious, he posted the rest of his reasoning, which fills in the gaps. Verdict: town He then goes on to finding Nova scummy for almost exclusively bad reasons. SnB starts off terribly and spends almost all his time posting about magic-related stuff. I jumped to the conclusion fairly early that he is scum and I know SnB fairly well. He is not usually as useless as this. However, as scum he is prone to lurk and when posting, do nothing of value. Verdict: scum However, while I find his defense against attack terrible, I cannot argue that it is terrible at first sight only: On January 31 2013 04:04 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: lol yeah if we were scum theres no way marv would be letting me play like this At first I just raged, because Marv was making such a big deal about how they are hardly communicating at all and the lack of a QT. However, if they are scum, they don't need a QT, they have a scumQT. Whether Marv would be able to stop SnB from posting like a tard is a moot point: the new question is whether they would really not sync up their stories, if they actually WERE communicating? Verdict: town His other defense against MG's case is pathetically bad, though. It's so outrageously bad that I am not sure what to make of it, because the case had some good points and they are all dismissed with offhand remarks. The case against Nova is pathetic. As Dandel pointed out to me: it's as if Marv and SnB pre-picked Nova as a target and then started gathering "dirt" on him. They shrug off Nova's case as not indicative of alignment (it isn't), yet present one themselves which is even worse. + Show Spoiler [annotated "case"] + On January 31 2013 05:03 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: this is silly, someone else pointed it out before, but life gain is so weak in this format that i doubt scum would be worried, still that could be explained by him not knowing much about mtg, null leaning scum a little bit tell. Not indicative of alignment. You even say so yourself, yet throw in a "little bit of a scum tell" for absolutely no fucking reason at all. sucking up to gonzaw, who has a history of being partial towards people who suck up to him (see last mtg mafia), this is scummy. also misunderstanding the importance of card advantage but that's okay because not everyone has studied mtg theory, this is null. not wanting acro to get zombies is fine but not a towntell or a scumtell/ Not indicative of alignment. None of it. Buddying ALONE is not a scumtell. It could be a sincere opinion. what what "powering up town is bad because town can kill people more easily and they might be wrong" the solution to that is to not be wrong. it's okay to oppose powering up individual players if you think they might be scum or if you think they are likely to use that power impulsively to kill townies. it's not okay to oppose powering up town as a whole. what what Weren't you opposed to me getting zombies for the exact same fucking reason? The whole thing is not indicative of alignment in any case. nice jumping in to share widespread town sentiment without providing any reasoning. like, i dont see anywhere above here in your filter you saying that crossfire is scum or explaining this suspicion. Fluff = not indicative of alignment. ditto the above, way to not actually say anything. "marvs typical posting style" lolwut, there's no way you havent seen at least a couple other games from him, hes ubiquitous. also there's literally no explanation of what nova finds scummy about marvs posts so far. and how the crap was my policy post cut and pasted? except that its the same policy i proposed last time i was town in an mtg game? Zzzzz, 2/3 of Marv's D1 was not following any meta and was just plain lurking. The only game anybody has ever played where Marv lurked, he was scum. Your policy post was just flat-out terrible. It was beside the point, hashed together and useless. Who cares whether it's cut-and-pasted. How is this indicative of alignment anyway? Nova says he'll post reasons from work. He then says work is utter chaos due to unforeseen shit. You then harrass him for reasons. Herpaderp. You could just have waited and if they weren't there tomorrow or so, then jump on it. lolk well this sucks we should wait a few days before we kill him. good thing we have to. also note that this is only an explanation for his recent absence not for his earlier terrible and scummy posting. So in short, the whole case is bogus. Now making a bad case is not necessarily a scumtell, but SnB was under quite a bit of pressure to get some scumhunting done and it looks like they picked their target based on a combination of easy shot on someone who hasn't really contributed much and a bit of OMGUS. They then gathered "evidence" to fit the case, rather than the other way round. Verdict: scum PS. I know I just did Nova's defense for him, but he has already responded and the case was terrible anyway. These are just my own findings from filter diving. Dandel is doing his own analysis (although we played some back and forth in skype). He didn't have time to finish, and can hopefully give you more tomorrow. For now, you have Acro's conclusions: is this a blatantly obvious scum? No. There's some stuff that doesn't scan with them being scum. But after reading the filter from back to front, front to back and inside out, I am still fairly confident that there is something seriously off with both Marv and SnB's play and the most obvious explanation is that they're scum, despite the town tells. /Acro | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
He has lots of one-liners and takes a step back in town there. I want to talk some shit with Prome but he isnt' around  I guess we will wait until Suck's analysis of Hopeless, which apparently is such a big deal to Prome lol /G | ||
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BinOnFire
Laos123 Posts
Also hopeless wtf man, why you so lurky? | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
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BinOnFire
Laos123 Posts
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On January 31 2013 11:40 BinOnFire wrote: I don't think CH is scum. I need to have a talk with Oats >_> /MG Just check your scum QT. Whats the other name listed there? | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On January 31 2013 12:07 MidnightGladius wrote: You still aren't giving this up? What will it take from me to convince you otherwise, considering I have no MTG plays to make until T2, and that we can't check if our reads are right until someone actually dies? You could post the link to your scum QT | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/eH55vAZ5JTcd | ||
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Aperture Science
United States151 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On January 31 2013 12:14 MidnightGladius wrote: When you ask so nicely, how could I possibly refuse you? http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/eH55vAZ5JTcd iGrok! On January 31 2013 11:24 BinOnFire wrote: CH is scum. Also hopeless wtf man, why you so lurky? Are you genuinely upset that I'm lurky? Like...if someone had to pick 1 word to describe me, that's probably the one. On January 31 2013 11:37 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: I think I might be the only person in the whole game left out of this "CH is scum" fan group that has formed.. /G Nah, I'm right there with you. So...I've reread and haven't come up with much that I can report on right now, nothing strikes me as scummy enough to pursue at this point. I'm headed to bed. See you all tomorrow. ~Hopeless | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
On January 31 2013 12:14 MidnightGladius wrote: When you ask so nicely, how could I possibly refuse you? http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/eH55vAZ5JTcd lol /G | ||
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