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[T] MTG Mini Mafia II - Page 4
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More QQ was inappropriate and uncalled for and I am sorry for that /Oats | ||
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And note that my response to the Strongest point, flip-flopping, is cause Im quoting another players words by bolding them Also Aperture, what do you have to say about that? | ||
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On January 31 2013 00:27 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Seeing as pretty much all the tells come from Oats' behaviour, I have to tentatively disagree. If we tell you that Oats is rather newbie, does that change your verdict in any way? Some things you have down as strong tells I really don't agree with. You give them 7 scum points for this, yet I don't see anything except someone being wrong in a weird way. I do agree with you that it is weird that their whole deck idea is supposedly based around getting everybody up to speed fast, yet Oats is apparently totally not on-board with that plan. Did you guys not discuss the deck beforehand? But is this a scumtell? Or just someone not understanding what the deck is about? I personally didn't have Bin down as town yet, mainly because I feel he could not play his deck any other way and he doesn't done much in the scumhunting department, but I don't have a scum read on him for the things you bring up. Wishy-washy as fuck post. 'I dont think he is scum, blablabla, What you say is accurate, but it could make him both scum and town, blablabla I dont think he is town cause his deck is town favoured but he has been useless.' Uhuh Acro. Ok this sounds to me that you have a scum read for a different reason. Care to share? | ||
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On January 29 2013 21:14 BinOnFire wrote: Well Crossfire's entrance is similar to marvs, I think this is weird though I only think a few mana total should be used on it because I don't think it is wise to discard so many cards because that's wasteful. And then he never mentions that again, even though I feel that its a good point if a bit vague, which means that he shouldve discussed it. I get generally noobness feel from him, not alignment indicative though On January 29 2013 13:59 BinOnFire wrote: Dude, did you even read my post? I don't mention zombies at all. In fact, I talk in general terms. Stronger everybody = good for town. Of course you dont want to say that you are a selfish bastard. I agree that the more cards you get, and the more mana you can play, the better it is for you. Also better for scum. Town getting stronger is better because scum already start with a big fat 8/8 monster. HOWEVER what I am saying is that its not objectively good for town. There are pro's and con's for playing that card and all you seem to be doing is saying how good it is for town. | ||
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After it was suggested, there was no opposition so its not like I had to push it or anything. Look, how does that make me scummy? /Oats | ||
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People (me) bite So are you scummy for derailing the thread? Double Standerds here. This game is really weird for me to scumhunt cause so far, 1/2 of it has been setup discussion. However, Aperture's post was a good thing, in that it created discussion between the 3 of us. Hopefully, MORE PEOPLE WILL RESPOND TO IT. | ||
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Yes, yes in fact. How does that line up with the analysis here that town get relatively stronger because mafia already start with a powerful creature? I dont see the contradiction. Aperture, can you explain to me exactly what the contradictions are other than me opposing(which im not) my own play? /Oats | ||
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Its not a downside late game, but for example, scum could possibly set it up such that the game ends by day 3 or something with the right cards, and Minds Aglow helps them achieve that. @Ok Acro/IGrok, Im feel like im really bad at Mafia and MTG(LOL DISCREDITING MYSELF), but I thought that it was a good idea at the time and I still do. I dont feel like I was purposefully dragging out the discussion either, if you felt that way, you sure didnt do anything about it. | ||
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Q: How would I have played this deck had I rolled mafia? A: Easy: Play one-sided accelerators like Axebane Guardian and Overgrown Battlement, keep the Join Forces cards in my hand (as opposed to mulliganing to find them), and use smaller Death Grasps in addition to mafia KP to kill people. Q: per iGrok, why am I running Death Grasp? A: Artanis nerfed this from Exsanguinate, which would have just killed everyone regardless of alignment :D. As is, I agree, I need to get 20+ mana for it to become an actual win-condition. Guess what, I'm running 28 basic lands along with other mana sources, and I fully intend to have all of those lands in play by T5. You know, along with everyone else, so that by the time mafia has to deal with the entire town resolving their biggest threats, I'm not rendered completely irrelevant. Q: <some permutation of "Join Forces could be bad for town given some combination of scum advantages to break symmetry">? A: First I'll reiterate that by default, town gains ~7 cards of card advantage for every 2 that the mafia do, taking into consideration abnormalities like not having basic land, or certain decks using the graveyard as a resource. For the mafia to break symmetry on that and actually come out ahead, they'd need to have some crazy engine (not a Storm deck, because those were tacitly banned due to the "everyone-takes-turns-simultaneously" nature of this game), and because they had no ex ante preparation for something like this, it's highly unlikely that they do, and none of the townies do. Q: (Pre-emptively) Why did I play as a hydra account if I was afraid that this would get this messy? A: I saw a lot of interest in the game relative to the number of slots open, and as MTG is one of my favorite games, I didn't want to deny anyone an opportunity to play, regardless of our previous history or the other player's experience/meta. I'm also super busy with recruiting during the first few weeks of this semester, so I was hoping that we would be more active, considering we're each available during different hours of the day. I'm here for a bit. Cheers, MG | ||
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On January 31 2013 02:52 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: @Midnight: Nice of you to finally join us  Please....post who you think is scum, post reads, etc. People seem not very fond of you+Oats because you are not really the paragon of pro-town-ness when coming down to scumhunting /G What do you mean, I've been posting whenever I've had the chance :O The filter comparison between SNB's MTGI and MTGII is pretty stark. This post in particular strikes me as very suspicious: On January 30 2013 13:55 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: wut also i will tap my forest to play wild growth on my savannah then i will tap that to put two mana into the other thing also also arguing about how much gonzaw et al is/are posting is stupid. it's like you've never played a game with him before. i used to rage at him too but now i kind of just let the waves of posting wash over me. it makes deep analysis of the game pretty much impossible though, so you either have to filter specific people or else you have to just kind of play on general impressions. but with someone posting that much you can't try and read the whole game. it's just kind of his/their thing. i really wish they would not do it but ive pretty much given up, what are you gonna do. reads time: bin on fire is probably town because he feels town to me right now (lol) no but seriously bin on fire is probably town because of how he's being helpful and promoting discussion and shit. scumreads are tough but right now i'm pointing at whatever the acro hydra is. i really don't like how he was all "you gotta give me your power or else think i'm scum", forcing people into shitty dichotomies is not a good way to go about being townie. also how he's been running for mayor while refusing to acknowledge that he was running for mayor until we made him. okay bedtime -snb As an SNB post, this feels very off to me. Not calling Minds Aglow by name, despite having specifically freaked out about it and Collective Voyage earlier, and then providing the vaguest excuse for a town-read ever, jars strongly with what I've read from him elsewhere. It's just so detached and apathetic, very different from town SNB in MTGI, but very close to how I would have predicted a mafia player to react to the Join Forces mechanic. If anything, he should be ecstatic by the plan, not alarmed, because putting everyone in the position of having huge creatures to attack with sooner makes his policy recommendation much more relevant. Instead of returning to consider the ramifications of that, he sinks further into inactivity. On January 30 2013 06:19 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: i dont have to think you're scum to not want you to get more powerful than anyone else. I just have to think you're likely to come to incorrect conclusions and not listen to me. I think that if you alone have a shambling herd of zombies, that's not good for town, regardless of whether you are town or not. This sounds like a deliberate obfuscation of the plan, which he seemed to perfectly understand a few posts ago. An attempt to cast doubt on CH, sowing seeds for him to return to later? This lets him pick a fight and feign productivity while discrediting a player I expect to be a powerful town asset. His theatrics in casting Oats and I as scum also seems forced and tacky. And his last few posts are all apologies for his MTG ignorance, when that's both easily corrected, and irrelevant to the fact that he hasn't been contributing. | ||
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On January 30 2013 17:41 RockHydra wrote: Read most of the posts. Seems like there is a lot of posts, but most of it involves the raging and is fairly useless. I will try to actually do some scumhunting tonight. going to also contribute a mana to the card drawing thingie On January 30 2013 18:44 RockHydra wrote: I realize I haven't posted much. I will try to get some contributions in tonight. So what does he actually post? On January 31 2013 00:34 RockHydra wrote: Nice work, grok/aperture pretty impressed with the effort. Hope it was fun for you  This is setting a high standard for analysis. I must admit I kinda missed the link at first too when I glanced over it. Never seen the spreadsheet approach before. Lazy sheeping, baaa. Actual contributions? Neigh! | ||
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Crossfire is null to me due to lack of content, but his points aren't all that bad, especially from someone who hasn't played MTG and doesn't realize that drawing N, discarding N is an extremely powerful effect in a vacuum for large N. and I'm lending him the benefit of the doubt, for now. | ||
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