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On January 31 2013 02:51 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:38 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 31 2013 02:29 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:On January 30 2013 22:12 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 15:54 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
I find these 2 consecutive "fluffy" posts of Suck and Cross where both come out of seemingly nowhere to then go AFK, both attack CH for (IMO) weak reasons, yet neither of them even mention the other.....weird, and that's an understatement.
/G Hi. I said I found Cross suspicious, and told you something I noted about it. I'm not gonna rehash what has already been said by multiple other posters. Although if it would make you happy I can have a go at rephrasing the same things again (hint: I won't do this). I was responding to S&B's post, not yours. S&B never posted anything about Crossfire if I remember correctly, yet completely ignored him and went for CH (which even you think for weak reasons). You also haven't mentioned Crossfire in a while...do you still think he's scummy? What about his last post, what do you think about it? As far as I'm aware, I'm also one of the first (if not the first) to give the opinion of Stutters that his posts seemed interested and his empty promises mean nothing for alignment. Damn marv, why would you post something like this? :/ "Hi guys! I was the first to post something about Stutters! That makes me townie right? RIGHT?"This whole post of yours is just a big apology and has "I'm doing stuff! Here this is stuff I did in this game! This convinces you I am town right? RIGHT!!!?" all over it That's not the town marv I know of... On January 30 2013 23:16 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 23:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On January 30 2013 23:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 23:05 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
It's a point.
I wouldn't call it proven.
I expect it to be falsified when marv flips scum.
Carry on. Which is precisely why you and your judgement shouldn't be trusted... So get off your ass, stop taking cheap shots and show us why you're town. I've said what I want to say right now. You're the one acting like a fucking dickhead, not me, dear. Answer this question marv please: Do you realize why people are suspicious of you and S&B?If you do, then some of your aggression is unwarranted and just derails the thread If you don't.....then either I expected too much from you, you are lazy as fuck, or you are scum. /G I just want that if people are going to call me out, they do so for legitimate reasons. Clockwork's "you lurk as scum" is evidently just incorrect, and I pointed out what I said about Xfire and Stutters because it's not like my thoughts aren't in the thread, just not as much as you guys. Okay, so if I call you out for not taking "leadership" of town, actively trying to hunt scum, or at least promote discussion to get info from people to find scum easier, then you would be okay with it? Or rather...what do you plan to do? You know you could easily die on T2-T3 if you keep up like this. Play to your win con marv (if you are town) Some of your posts gave me this "nah, he wouldn't post this as scum surely? He's too lazy to be scum apparently" feel.....but hey, if you keep being alive and you keep doing shit, I might just think it's a new very efficient scum play from yours. Show nested quote +I understand that s&b have contributed/posted less than you guys, but from a personal point of view I was never going to be top dog in this game simply because my understanding of magic is rudimentary (yes, I play this card (haha, get it) because it's true, and I won't apologise for it). Nothing I post is ever an apology, and if you think so, then you really don't know my play :p Okay marv, let's get this over with ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!  http://www.ehow.com/how_2090329_play-magic-gathering.htmlGo on and read that, that's it. Now you won't be "playing that card" again  Well, I already posted his filter from the previous game (here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422&user=116463 ) There he was active RIGHT FROM THE START, with setup discussion and the like. For instance, there's his "everybody attack" policy. In that game, he presented it, and stayed answering people's questions, discussing if it should be used or not, and generally being active in discussions about the setup Here, he just made 1 "policy post", and then never touched on it again. And need I remind you his 1st post was kind of "bad", as in it was just fluff and a rehash of what he said last game. Then he spends time arguing against CH's zombies....and that's it. That's all he's done. You can see the contrast with the previous game Not only that, but the attitude is different. In MTG 1 he started all cheery or enthusiastic, specially about setup discussion. Here he seems more "gloom", or not as enthusiastic. I would understand if you were a posting machine and "leading the way", so maybe he would get lazy and not do much (much like I'm doing with Prome ). But you aren't. /G
As stated, I'm simply not going to have a leadership role this game. I don't want it, and I wouldn't be the best person for it.
s&b is indeed markedly inactive, but I can't say much about that. He's inactive to me too Why do you think I didn't find out what account we were playing until after the game started?
You can read mafia into it if you like, but the pre-game and how this game started are pretty clear indicators BEFORE the game that s&b hasn't had the time to be around and active much. The rest he can say for himself if he wants.
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On January 31 2013 03:04 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Well marv, I'm going to tell you this: You guys will make this game hard, and most surely "not fun".
I'll surely have doubts about your alignment the whole game, and if you are town scum+misled townies will kill you (maybe resulting in a town loss), and if you are scum misled townies may ignore you (maybe resulting in a town loss).
There's not nice happy ending with the way you are playing, unless somehow we find the other 2 scum very easily (if you are town)
Could you respond the previous "scum hydra" question?
/G
Don't emotionally guilt trip me gonzaw, that *definitely* is not fun.
I'll do my best this game (compare to last magic game) and it's up to you to make decent reads on me as well.
It would seem likely that scum have a hydra, yes.
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On January 31 2013 03:09 BinOnFire wrote:
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His theatrics in casting Oats and I as scum also seems forced and tacky.
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At the very least this is a gross misrepresentation, since my analysis led me to think you were probably town.
Why are you misrepresenting me so viciously, or not reading the thread?
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On January 31 2013 03:10 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
So who do you think is that scum hydra?
If you are not the scum hydra, at least help us get him.
Also that's the truth marv. Or rather it's something I know WILL happen in this game (it's kind of inevitable). You can't just say "Fuck you just make a decent read on me, if you don't it's your fault", mafia doesn't work like that.
/G
Do we need to identify two mafia now? Or can we just concentrate on one?
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On January 31 2013 03:21 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:I asked you about 1 mafia, not 2. If you agree there IS a scum hydra, then better put all the effort possible in finding him soon, rather than let every hydra be until T4 or something (like what happened last game with you+Toad). The 2nd scum could be another hydra, or maybe Crossfire, I dunno. Unless you want to focus on that "other" mafia? If so go ahead focus Also you know what's funny? That me+Prome sign basically every single post of ours, yet Acro/dandel, the guys that were so bitchy about hydras signing their post, still don't sign all of theirs /G
In a normal game of mafia I don't try to find every single mafia day 1, so I don't see why I should do so here.
The 'first' mafia is likely to be between Crossfire and Nova.
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On January 31 2013 03:29 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Well, I'd say this isn't a "normal" game of mafia Obviously the same approach doesn't work. For one, you don't have a "lynch" until like T3 or T4, so if you keep "focusing" on Cross/Nova, you will have to do so until one of them flips (again in T3/T4), thus basically ignoring the hydras until that time comes. /G
Alright, that makes sense. I'm not going to invent suspicions out of nowhere for now, though. Hydras are going to be quite difficult to read and we're only halfway through day 1 or so.
I'd definitely like MG to answer me on why he totally misrepresented me, however.
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On January 31 2013 03:31 BinOnFire wrote:
I'm sorry, when did I totally misrepresent you, marv?
Can you seriously not read what's even on this page?
On January 31 2013 03:11 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 03:09 BinOnFire wrote:
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His theatrics in casting Oats and I as scum also seems forced and tacky.
-snip- At the very least this is a gross misrepresentation, since my analysis led me to think you were probably town. Why are you misrepresenting me so viciously, or not reading the thread?
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Now it's not on this page and I look stupid :D
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On January 31 2013 03:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 03:34 BinOnFire wrote:
The conclusion of that post doesn't change the fact that the actual "suppose if such and such" was forced and tacky. You don't get any credibility from me just by claiming that I'm town :3 You said forced theatrics casting as you as mafia. The endpoint of my analysis was that I thought you were town.
Reposting for filter. It was giving me fucking flood control.
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On January 31 2013 03:37 BinOnFire wrote:
Yes, you created a scenario where I was cast as mafia, and then concluded that you thought I was town.
>_>
Alright, I'm going to conclude you're not worth listening to, as that's not what you originally wrote.
I was trying to clear up the supposed contradiction, and then because of it I thought you were town.
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On January 31 2013 03:41 BinOnFire wrote:
That's exactly what I wrote. When you cast someone as something, it implies that that's not their actual role, eg "the actor was cast as a ninja zombie dragon." The point is that writing up a fictional script to make your point doesn't actually make your point any more valid.
You're literally making no sense.
1. iGrok thinks you're mafia because of contradictions with this card
2. marvelbabe tries to understand exactly what the contradiction is and its implications
3. marvelbabe concludes that the contradiction has very little mafia motive
Is this so hard to grasp?
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On January 31 2013 03:47 BinOnFire wrote:Then let's leave it at that. Yes, I understand that you're saying that you don't think I'm scum. Now, why should that convince me that you're not scum? Anyone can point town-reads in whatever direction they choose, and it's things like feeling the need for theatrics, and in general being of much less substance than usual, that make me suspicious of you. No hard feelings 
What are the theatrics?
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On January 31 2013 03:49 BinOnFire wrote:The scripted scenario, what else? If you had just said "There is no mafia motivation for this line of play," that would be one thing, and your post Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:21 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 31 2013 02:18 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Can someone point a small summary on why everybody is attacking Oats right now?
Is it just him apparently going against MG's plan?
Suck, do you think he's scum?
/G
Uh, I would actually guess not. The premise would be: Bin (MG + Oats) are scum. MG provides a plan to do with this card, which either a) has the aim of looking "pro-town" b) furthers mafia agenda (mafia have some reason for this card or something). On this basis I don't understand Oats' motivation at all for then proceeding to cast doubt on the plan. If it's good for mafia for whatever reason, they have the motivation for keeping the plan of playing this card looking as townie as possible, which is the opposite of what's been achieved. should have stood by itself. Why follow it up with something that doesn't add any more weight to the argument?
So the theatrics is in fact the part where I'm calling you town, whereas in your analysis you said my theatrics as casting you as mafia. That makes no sense still.
Anyway, I'm done here, this is ridiculous.
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oh....... now I understand. Ok, misunderstanding. Literally casting like acting.
I have no idea why you'd read scumminess into that, it was just some fun and illustrating my point a little. Kk.
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On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 13:55 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
wut
also i will tap my forest to play wild growth on my savannah then i will tap that to put two mana into the other thing
also also arguing about how much gonzaw et al is/are posting is stupid. it's like you've never played a game with him before. i used to rage at him too but now i kind of just let the waves of posting wash over me. it makes deep analysis of the game pretty much impossible though, so you either have to filter specific people or else you have to just kind of play on general impressions. but with someone posting that much you can't try and read the whole game.
it's just kind of his/their thing. i really wish they would not do it but ive pretty much given up, what are you gonna do.
reads time: bin on fire is probably town because he feels town to me right now (lol)
no but seriously
bin on fire is probably town because of how he's being helpful and promoting discussion and shit.
scumreads are tough but right now i'm pointing at whatever the acro hydra is. i really don't like how he was all "you gotta give me your power or else think i'm scum", forcing people into shitty dichotomies is not a good way to go about being townie. also how he's been running for mayor while refusing to acknowledge that he was running for mayor until we made him.
okay bedtime -snb I was going to put that in spoiler tags, but it deserves to be seen.
Let me get this straight: I forced you into a shitty dichotomy? Nope. All I said was that you seem overly butthurt over HRM and if you had an actual reason for not wanting a shambling herd of zombies, you should come out and say so. Of course, my tone was taunting, because I really want you to post more, because I have been leaning scum on you all game and that has not improved over time. PS. I haven't asked NT or iGrok to call me scum and they also have their reservations about zombies. NT and iGrok are straightforward: iGrok just doesn't want rampant power growth from anybody and NT just doesn't want a null read getting too much power. I have my reservations about both reasons and have given my counter-arguments. You, however, shroud whatever reason you have in policy chatter. Instead of giving an actual straight reason you give vague platitudes like: Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:16 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 04:10 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
@Marv: you said SnB wasn't around, yet he dropped in to play a Savannah (in a slightly trolly way) before you posted your "help me, SnB deserted me" and has now posted a long policy post. Why did you excuse yourself due to SnB's absence, despite SnB clearly not being absent.
@SnB: unless you plan on wiping out everybody else in turn 2 or 3 or so, you will have to rely on your fellow townies. We play as a team. Making every part of that team stronger is good. Now if you're worried about zombies (Nova and iGrok as well), then you should probably start analysing our posts. We have made enough of them and have been rather transparent. Do you think we're scum?
/Acro I want to make *everybody* stronger. I don't want to put a disproportionate amount of strength in any one specific player. You're distorting my position. Which sounds great, but you give no actual way of MAKING everybody stronger. Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum. You... well: 1. Utter dearth of sensible scumhunting in your filter. 2. Vague policies with no practical import to the game. 3. Inconsistent play: fear of zombies into giving away free zombies. But it's okay, you're probably both back into lurk and I won't get a response. You have until the attack phase of D2 to convince me you're not scum. /Acro
the shitty dichotomy i meant was you saying that if I don't want you to have twenty zombies, the only way to justify that is if i think you're scum. that's just terrible logic.
-snb
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On January 30 2013 22:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 22:21 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Has snb taught you how to play magic yet?
~dandel No, we don't even have a QT yet ^^ He was so kind to provide me with the deck we are playing, though.
qts are for losers get on irc or skype
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On January 30 2013 23:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum.
You best be providing some good evidence for this one. Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never. -marvelbabe
lol yeah if we were scum theres no way marv would be letting me play like this
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On January 31 2013 03:09 BinOnFire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 02:52 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:@Midnight: Nice of you to finally join us Please....post who you think is scum, post reads, etc. People seem not very fond of you+Oats because you are not really the paragon of pro-town-ness when coming down to scumhunting /G What do you mean, I've been posting whenever I've had the chance :O The filter comparison between SNB's MTGI and MTGII is pretty stark. This post in particular strikes me as very suspicious: Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 13:55 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
wut
also i will tap my forest to play wild growth on my savannah then i will tap that to put two mana into the other thing
also also arguing about how much gonzaw et al is/are posting is stupid. it's like you've never played a game with him before. i used to rage at him too but now i kind of just let the waves of posting wash over me. it makes deep analysis of the game pretty much impossible though, so you either have to filter specific people or else you have to just kind of play on general impressions. but with someone posting that much you can't try and read the whole game.
it's just kind of his/their thing. i really wish they would not do it but ive pretty much given up, what are you gonna do.
reads time: bin on fire is probably town because he feels town to me right now (lol)
no but seriously
bin on fire is probably town because of how he's being helpful and promoting discussion and shit.
scumreads are tough but right now i'm pointing at whatever the acro hydra is. i really don't like how he was all "you gotta give me your power or else think i'm scum", forcing people into shitty dichotomies is not a good way to go about being townie. also how he's been running for mayor while refusing to acknowledge that he was running for mayor until we made him.
okay bedtime -snb As an SNB post, this feels very off to me. Not calling Minds Aglow by name, despite having specifically freaked out about it and Collective Voyage earlier, lol you serious? why would i waste my time calling things by name? i have better things to do with my time than type out "minds aglow", im already sneaking time off of work to post and then providing the vaguest excuse for a town-read ever, jars strongly with what I've read from him elsewhere. It's just so detached and apathetic, very different from town SNB in MTGI, but very close to how I would have predicted a mafia player to react to the Join Forces mechanic. yeah whatever. try comparing this game to my most recent mafia games, rather than to a game from over six months ago.If anything, he should be ecstatic by the plan, not alarmed, because putting everyone in the position of having huge creatures to attack with sooner makes his policy recommendation much more relevant. Instead of returning to consider the ramifications of that, he sinks further into inactivity. Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 06:19 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 05:31 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
You also failed to answer the main question there: do you think we're scum? Sure, people's judgement in using 8/8 tramply beasts of awesome might not always be the best, but unless we actually GET some 8/8 tramply beasts of awesome on town side, we're just punching bags for the mafia creature. Minds Aglow seems by far the fastest way to get there.
Now obviously, if you think the 8/8 tramply creature (or in this case shambling herd of zombies) is going to scum, then by all means oppose it. But don't hide in policy crap. Come out and say "look guys, we should not draw millions of cards, because scum will get a shambling herd of zombies".
/Acro i dont have to think you're scum to not want you to get more powerful than anyone else. I just have to think you're likely to come to incorrect conclusions and not listen to me. I think that if you alone have a shambling herd of zombies, that's not good for town, regardless of whether you are town or not. This sounds like a deliberate obfuscation of the plan, which he seemed to perfectly understand a few posts ago. An attempt to cast doubt on CH, sowing seeds for him to return to later? This lets him pick a fight and feign productivity while discrediting a player I expect to be a powerful town asset. His theatrics in casting Oats and I as scum also seems forced and tacky. this is also dumb. its not obfuscation, my consistent and legitimate objection is to acro having a bunch of zombies and probably being retarded and using them to kill me. not to people drawing cards. as i've said, i don't dislike the plan, i dislike the fact that it disproportionately gives acro the ability to be a loose cannon.And his last few posts are all apologies for his MTG ignorance, when that's both easily corrected, and irrelevant to the fact that he hasn't been contributing. [green]this is also dumb, thats from marv.
yeah okay i get it i havent been all that active idgaf and you are being stupid
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On January 31 2013 04:17 BinOnFire wrote:Proactively casting spells that give the town cards at a 7:2 ratio is one of the dumbest things that a mafia player in this setup could do. It's almost as bad as the "shoot-your-scumbuddy-for-town-cred" line
people totes do that tho
just sayin'
although, i dont think many people in here woudl. marv sure, maybe grey/grok.
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On January 31 2013 04:22 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Yo S&B, what do you think of Xfire?
Do you still think CH is suspicious? Can you post a valid case instead of "he's too aggressive and self-centered, therefore is scum" ?
/G
crossfire seems overwhelmed. legitimate reaction for someone who doesnt know mtg and doesnt have a partner to ask about it.
his big post about ch is interesting. hes right that theres a contradiction in the first two posts he identifies, but the contradiction is completely explainable by ch reacting differently towards crossfire (relative noob) and igrok (very vet), ch took the same question seriously from igrok. i dont see scum motivation in that contradiction, and (to both his blame (bad townie play) and credit (at least he didnt try to make up some bullshit)) crossfire doesnt explain the possible scum motivation at all.
however, in his second point he is kind of pointing out a contradiction that does have scum motivation. the quotes that he has from ch do seem to indicate "beware of giving any one person too much power" "oh wait i mean, unless its me lol".
everything else in his filter is either self defense or just expressing being overwhelmed.
i guess i like that he tried to do some analysis anyway.
overall conclusion: possible scum? hes doing a lot of defense and "oh me oh my" ing but otoh this is a fast paced game with weird ass mechanics where we are all talking about the mechanics all the time. id wait a few days before lynching him to give him a chance to feel less overwhelmed. good thing we can't lynch anyone today anyway.
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