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On January 30 2013 05:27 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:16 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 04:10 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
@Marv: you said SnB wasn't around, yet he dropped in to play a Savannah (in a slightly trolly way) before you posted your "help me, SnB deserted me" and has now posted a long policy post. Why did you excuse yourself due to SnB's absence, despite SnB clearly not being absent.
@SnB: unless you plan on wiping out everybody else in turn 2 or 3 or so, you will have to rely on your fellow townies. We play as a team. Making every part of that team stronger is good. Now if you're worried about zombies (Nova and iGrok as well), then you should probably start analysing our posts. We have made enough of them and have been rather transparent. Do you think we're scum?
/Acro I want to make *everybody* stronger. I don't want to put a disproportionate amount of strength in any one specific player. You're distorting my position. Yet you seem opposed to drawing cards. So far Gonzaw has claimed he can get benefits from discarding. We get a benefit from discarding. That's 2 players. Everybody else strengthens their hand. Next turn, there's probably a lot of land coming anybody who plays basic lands in their deck. That strengthens everybody further. What alternative plan do you have for your mana?
i'm not opposed to drawing cards, it would just be better for me (and I think for the rest of town) to do it turn2 so we have to discard less. If it really would be better to do it today then let's go, but I'm not convinced that it's the best decision for the town. But I'm kind of reconsidering that if it makes it likely that we could play that "get all your basic lands" card.
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On January 30 2013 06:19 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:31 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
You also failed to answer the main question there: do you think we're scum? Sure, people's judgement in using 8/8 tramply beasts of awesome might not always be the best, but unless we actually GET some 8/8 tramply beasts of awesome on town side, we're just punching bags for the mafia creature. Minds Aglow seems by far the fastest way to get there.
Now obviously, if you think the 8/8 tramply creature (or in this case shambling herd of zombies) is going to scum, then by all means oppose it. But don't hide in policy crap. Come out and say "look guys, we should not draw millions of cards, because scum will get a shambling herd of zombies".
/Acro i dont have to think you're scum to not want you to get more powerful than anyone else. I just have to think you're likely to come to incorrect conclusions and not listen to me. I think that if you alone have a shambling herd of zombies, that's not good for town, regardless of whether you are town or not.
its like electing a mayor. i dont want to vote for you, acrofales, to be mayor.
(coughcoughholyromanmafiacough)
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On January 30 2013 06:37 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 06:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 05:27 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On January 30 2013 05:16 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 04:10 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
@Marv: you said SnB wasn't around, yet he dropped in to play a Savannah (in a slightly trolly way) before you posted your "help me, SnB deserted me" and has now posted a long policy post. Why did you excuse yourself due to SnB's absence, despite SnB clearly not being absent.
@SnB: unless you plan on wiping out everybody else in turn 2 or 3 or so, you will have to rely on your fellow townies. We play as a team. Making every part of that team stronger is good. Now if you're worried about zombies (Nova and iGrok as well), then you should probably start analysing our posts. We have made enough of them and have been rather transparent. Do you think we're scum?
/Acro I want to make *everybody* stronger. I don't want to put a disproportionate amount of strength in any one specific player. You're distorting my position. Yet you seem opposed to drawing cards. So far Gonzaw has claimed he can get benefits from discarding. We get a benefit from discarding. That's 2 players. Everybody else strengthens their hand. Next turn, there's probably a lot of land coming anybody who plays basic lands in their deck. That strengthens everybody further. What alternative plan do you have for your mana? i'm not opposed to drawing cards, it would just be better for me (and I think for the rest of town) to do it turn2 so we have to discard less. If it really would be better to do it today then let's go, but I'm not convinced that it's the best decision for the town. But I'm kind of reconsidering that if it makes it likely that we could play that "get all your basic lands" card. What else would you spend your mana on?
fertile ground or wild growth
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also i will tap my forest to play wild growth on my savannah then i will tap that to put two mana into the other thing
also also arguing about how much gonzaw et al is/are posting is stupid. it's like you've never played a game with him before. i used to rage at him too but now i kind of just let the waves of posting wash over me. it makes deep analysis of the game pretty much impossible though, so you either have to filter specific people or else you have to just kind of play on general impressions. but with someone posting that much you can't try and read the whole game.
it's just kind of his/their thing. i really wish they would not do it but ive pretty much given up, what are you gonna do.
reads time: bin on fire is probably town because he feels town to me right now (lol)
no but seriously
bin on fire is probably town because of how he's being helpful and promoting discussion and shit.
scumreads are tough but right now i'm pointing at whatever the acro hydra is. i really don't like how he was all "you gotta give me your power or else think i'm scum", forcing people into shitty dichotomies is not a good way to go about being townie. also how he's been running for mayor while refusing to acknowledge that he was running for mayor until we made him.
okay bedtime -snb
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On January 30 2013 15:54 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
I find these 2 consecutive "fluffy" posts of Suck and Cross where both come out of seemingly nowhere to then go AFK, both attack CH for (IMO) weak reasons, yet neither of them even mention the other.....weird, and that's an understatement.
/G
Hi. I said I found Cross suspicious, and told you something I noted about it. I'm not gonna rehash what has already been said by multiple other posters. Although if it would make you happy I can have a go at rephrasing the same things again (hint: I won't do this).
As far as I'm aware, I'm also one of the first (if not the first) to give the opinion of Stutters that his posts seemed interested and his empty promises mean nothing for alignment.
Simply enough I was never going to post a lot this game. Last Magic game I did not a single thing, so this is me trying some 
As for Aperture, I did the meme because I found what he did hilarious in its hypocrisy. I don't know how to judge it so much right now, and he'll have to be judged on his long-awaited scumhunting after the 'profiling' of the players that he's apparently carrying out.
I don't really share my other half's suspicion of CH right now, although Acro is someone I'm generally extremely wary of being able to play a strong town game as mafia. I don't particularly like the condescending tone Acro has taken in several of his posts, but I don't think that has to be indicative of him being mafia.
-marvelbabe
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On January 30 2013 22:21 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Has snb taught you how to play magic yet?
~dandel
No, we don't even have a QT yet ^^ He was so kind to provide me with the deck we are playing, though.
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On January 30 2013 22:22 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 22:06 RockHydra wrote:On January 30 2013 21:20 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On January 30 2013 18:22 RockHydra wrote:On January 30 2013 01:05 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Also, you only have to fear zombies, if you're scum.
The underlined part is just not true. Don't post lies unless you wanna appear scummy. Not a lie. It's entirely from my point of view, but it's not a lie. /Acro If you tell people how to feel, it might be better to look at it from their POV. /zebezt Why, that's completely pointless. If you tell me that you're afraid of the dark, I'm not going to look at it from your point of view. I'm going to tell you that you shouldn't be afraid of the dark and give you a bunch of reasons for why the dark isn't scary. You know why zombies aren't scary if you're not scum? Because they won't attack you!
How can you guarantee this? Is there something I'm missing?
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On January 30 2013 22:22 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
You know why zombies aren't scary if you're not scum? Because they won't attack you!
On January 30 2013 22:49 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 22:25 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 22:22 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On January 30 2013 22:06 RockHydra wrote:On January 30 2013 21:20 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On January 30 2013 18:22 RockHydra wrote:On January 30 2013 01:05 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Also, you only have to fear zombies, if you're scum.
The underlined part is just not true. Don't post lies unless you wanna appear scummy. Not a lie. It's entirely from my point of view, but it's not a lie. /Acro If you tell people how to feel, it might be better to look at it from their POV. /zebezt Why, that's completely pointless. If you tell me that you're afraid of the dark, I'm not going to look at it from your point of view. I'm going to tell you that you shouldn't be afraid of the dark and give you a bunch of reasons for why the dark isn't scary. You know why zombies aren't scary if you're not scum? Because they won't attack you! How can you guarantee this? Is there something I'm missing? No guarantees. But at the moment it sure looks like they're heading your way. A big post that says "I'm harmless and useless" but does nothing much else is not convincing me otherwise.
My/RH's point proven. Carry on.
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On January 30 2013 23:05 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
It's a point.
I wouldn't call it proven.
I expect it to be falsified when marv flips scum.
Carry on.
Which is precisely why you and your judgement shouldn't be trusted...
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On January 30 2013 23:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 23:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 23:05 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
It's a point.
I wouldn't call it proven.
I expect it to be falsified when marv flips scum.
Carry on. Which is precisely why you and your judgement shouldn't be trusted... So get off your ass, stop taking cheap shots and show us why you're town.
I've said what I want to say right now. You're the one acting like a fucking dickhead, not me, dear.
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On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum.
You best be providing some good evidence for this one.
Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never.
-marvelbabe
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On January 30 2013 23:54 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Marvellosity lurking through D1: MTG Mini Mafia I (lurked through the whole game. Toad posted. Verdict: scum. There was another game, but I can't remember which one. You lurked through D1 and were scum. It was before CT and I didn't play in it. I tried searching through your profile, but I can only get it to show the last 10 pages of posts (might be date limited) and have no clue how to search for older posts. Also, the defense that you are never suspected D1 as scum is a complete non-sequitur. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether you are scum this game. Are you seriously trying to say that because we suspect you of being scum, you can't be scum. Is that REALLY your defense? /Acro
I was playing on a hydra and I let Toad play for me because I felt too lost? Must do better, Acro, especially as it's the same game type as this one and I'm evidently far more interested here. Really weak.
This other game you're probably referring to is GSL3, where I was simply away for the first 24 hours but still racked up a 6+ page filter by the end of Day 1.
My last mafia game I had a 20+ page filter in a mini, probably the longest mafia filter in TL history. Lurking is not my mafia MO.
l2meta
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On January 31 2013 00:00 BinOnFire wrote:
Also, could other players respond if they agree or disagree with Aperture and why.
/Oats
You can be pretty flipfloppy as both town and mafia, so I don't read too much into it. (referring to the class B tell, apparently the strongest one)
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On January 31 2013 01:09 BinOnFire wrote:
My play, but there are downsides too, which like no one addressed.
After it was suggested, there was no opposition so its not like I had to push it or anything.
Look, how does that make me scummy?
/Oats
So are the downsides that the mafia get stronger and can kill townies easier?
On January 29 2013 13:59 BinOnFire wrote:
Dude, did you even read my post? I don't mention zombies at all. In fact, I talk in general terms. Stronger everybody = good for town.
Of course you dont want to say that you are a selfish bastard.
I agree that the more cards you get, and the more mana you can play, the better it is for you. Also better for scum.
Town getting stronger is better because scum already start with a big fat 8/8 monster.
HOWEVER what I am saying is that its not objectively good for town.
There are pro's and con's for playing that card and all you seem to be doing is saying how good it is for town.
How does that line up with the analysis here that town get relatively stronger because mafia already start with a powerful creature?
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On January 31 2013 01:28 BinOnFire wrote:
So are the downsides that the mafia get stronger and can kill townies easier?
Yes, yes in fact.
How does that line up with the analysis here that town get relatively stronger because mafia already start with a powerful creature?
I dont see the contradiction.
Aperture, can you explain to me exactly what the contradictions are other than me opposing(which im not) my own play?
/Oats
The point is that both mafia and town get stronger. In addition, as... Acro? pointed out, it should be easy enough to determine whether someone is blatantly just trying to kill off a potential townie.
My point was that if both town and mafia get stronger, but town get relatively stronger because mafia already have an 8/8 creature, how is this a downside for town?
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On January 31 2013 01:37 BinOnFire wrote:
@Marv,
Its not a downside late game, but for example, scum could possibly set it up such that the game ends by day 3 or something with the right cards, and Minds Aglow helps them achieve that.
@Ok Acro/IGrok,
Im feel like im really bad at Mafia and MTG(LOL DISCREDITING MYSELF), but I thought that it was a good idea at the time and I still do.
I dont feel like I was purposefully dragging out the discussion either, if you felt that way, you sure didnt do anything about it.
Do you think this is likely or possible? If it is, surely it would be blatantly anti-town and no-one would have agreed to it.
Someone who's not Bin tell me if I have the wrong end of the stick about this.
-still marvelbabe
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On January 31 2013 02:18 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Can someone point a small summary on why everybody is attacking Oats right now?
Is it just him apparently going against MG's plan?
Suck, do you think he's scum?
/G
Uh, I would actually guess not. The premise would be: Bin (MG + Oats) are scum. MG provides a plan to do with this card, which either a) has the aim of looking "pro-town" b) furthers mafia agenda (mafia have some reason for this card or something).
On this basis I don't understand Oats' motivation at all for then proceeding to cast doubt on the plan. If it's good for mafia for whatever reason, they have the motivation for keeping the plan of playing this card looking as townie as possible, which is the opposite of what's been achieved.
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Like, here's my theoretical scumQT conversation:
MG: Hi! I'm gonna propose we play this card, so that we can do x and y.
Scumbuddy: Cool, looks good! Make sure you make it sound good, but this looks good super good to us
Oats: Right! Now we've passed that off without hitch, I'm gonna go cast doubt on it!
Scumbuddy/MG: Awesome plan bro, go do it!
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On January 31 2013 02:29 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 22:12 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 15:54 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
I find these 2 consecutive "fluffy" posts of Suck and Cross where both come out of seemingly nowhere to then go AFK, both attack CH for (IMO) weak reasons, yet neither of them even mention the other.....weird, and that's an understatement.
/G Hi. I said I found Cross suspicious, and told you something I noted about it. I'm not gonna rehash what has already been said by multiple other posters. Although if it would make you happy I can have a go at rephrasing the same things again (hint: I won't do this). I was responding to S&B's post, not yours. S&B never posted anything about Crossfire if I remember correctly, yet completely ignored him and went for CH (which even you think for weak reasons). You also haven't mentioned Crossfire in a while...do you still think he's scummy? What about his last post, what do you think about it? Show nested quote +As far as I'm aware, I'm also one of the first (if not the first) to give the opinion of Stutters that his posts seemed interested and his empty promises mean nothing for alignment. Damn marv, why would you post something like this? :/ "Hi guys! I was the first to post something about Stutters! That makes me townie right? RIGHT?"This whole post of yours is just a big apology and has "I'm doing stuff! Here this is stuff I did in this game! This convinces you I am town right? RIGHT!!!?" all over it That's not the town marv I know of... Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 23:16 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 23:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On January 30 2013 23:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 23:05 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
It's a point.
I wouldn't call it proven.
I expect it to be falsified when marv flips scum.
Carry on. Which is precisely why you and your judgement shouldn't be trusted... So get off your ass, stop taking cheap shots and show us why you're town. I've said what I want to say right now. You're the one acting like a fucking dickhead, not me, dear. Answer this question marv please: Do you realize why people are suspicious of you and S&B?If you do, then some of your aggression is unwarranted and just derails the thread If you don't.....then either I expected too much from you, you are lazy as fuck, or you are scum. /G
I just want that if people are going to call me out, they do so for legitimate reasons. Clockwork's "you lurk as scum" is evidently just incorrect, and I pointed out what I said about Xfire and Stutters because it's not like my thoughts aren't in the thread, just not as much as you guys.
I understand that s&b have contributed/posted less than you guys, but from a personal point of view I was never going to be top dog in this game simply because my understanding of magic is rudimentary (yes, I play this card (haha, get it) because it's true, and I won't apologise for it). Nothing I post is ever an apology, and if you think so, then you really don't know my play :p
As for s&b, I can't really account for his activity.
Crossfire's point on Clockwork arguing about putting too much power in one person's hands and then wanting power themselves (the zombie thing?) is essentially correct, I think. But it could well be Acro being egotistical.
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On January 30 2013 07:22 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 07:10 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Not significant posting is indicative of them as players though, not of them as scum. In fact you'll find that stutters has never had a game of scum on TL but pulls this useless bullshit all the time. Do you think both of Stutters and Xfire could be scum? Who else do you find scummy?
P The probability of them both being scum and acting like that is low. I'm more suspicious of crossfire than stutters. I'm currently looking at Marv+s&b's filter, and i'm seeing things that i dont like. I'd love it if we could all take a look at their filter, because i'm not sure if what im finding scummy is just (marv's?) typical posting style or if it is actually scummy. Also, there is the s&b policy post, which looked to me like a cut and pasted prepared "See im doing stuff!" type post. With relevant informatiOn added in after, of course.
I'm pretty curious about this post, actually. Nova has played with me more than once before, so he should at least have a basic understanding or appreciation of my play. I don't know why he's leaving himself an out with it.
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