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On January 29 2013 10:28 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Why so negative, igrok?
I'm not being negative, I'm pointing out rather basic fatal flaws in people's thinking. There's some new players here, not everyone played Coldsnap.
1. Anybody running mill (or any other combo deck) in this setup must be fucking insane. Mill is terrible in general in multiplayer and even worse in this setup (unless it's some kind of infinite combo deal that can mill everybody, but that was explicitly forbidden).
You're just wrong. There's a deck that could entirely mill out 2, maybe 3 players T2 or 3 if we each draw 18 cards. Brain Freeze + Mana-Instants/Phyrexian Mana cards.
You all put down 10 lands turn 2, play 5 spells each, and he mills 200 cards. which kills 7 players. You want to do that? End the game on turn 2?
I thought about playing it but I'd rather play mine because its more fun, hence my whole "lets play fun decks" campaign.
2. As MG stated: you draw a million cards this turn, hold onto your Darksteel Cololssus and your Eldrazi. Next turn you get all the lands in your deck. Turn 3, you just play them giant monsters out of your hand. Who cares about an 8/8 scum creature when there's enough stuff to blow everybody up a thousand times over?
Read what I said above. But even if you go ahead and do cast voyage. Who the hell is running 10 BASIC lands when they can pull from ALL the Duals, Shocks, Fetches, Filters, Taps, and Checks? You realize its BASIC LANDS ONLY right? (That last part isn't for you, its for everyone else).
Your instant negativity rubs me the wrong way.
/Acro
You assuming you've got MTG figured out rubs me the wrong way. But that doesn't mean I think you're scum. Odds are you're town, you just didn't think it through. You've gotta realize that in a game of no counters and where everyone shares a turn, busting out 10 lands for everyone is just asking for a storm deck to kill us all.
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Okay, I have to go in 15 minutes, so here are my thoughts on what I've seen so far:
1) I'm going to cast Minds Aglow, tapping my Island and Forest. With no evidence for a mill deck, I would suggest that everyone voluntarily pay into it so that I can increase my odds of drawing Collective Voyage and thus setting everyone up for T3.
2) Otherwise, default to (DF)TP's plan, and I'd say that iGrok and Marv are the scummiest to me right now, because of iGrok's still-unresolved quip, and Marv's utter lack of thread presence. RockHydra and Stutters are null.
So, iGrok, please answer the question. What else would you be casting today?
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On January 29 2013 10:34 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Aperture Science:
That "I'd scumhunt" thing seems like so bad.
You don't say "Yeah, I'll scumhunt in the future...maybe", you do that shit right now.
His early trolling style was null (like it should be), and although he may have a slight point about this strategy (discarding most cards), the way he's pushing it, specially with the "I'd scumhunt" comment is a little suspicious.
/G
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
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Why so quick Bin?
There's no hurry to cast shit.
What if Cross or Nova have a super duper card and they could use your mana for it?
Remember my commandment: Don't rush shit
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On January 29 2013 10:45 BinOnFire wrote:
Okay, I have to go in 15 minutes, so here are my thoughts on what I've seen so far:
1) I'm going to cast Minds Aglow, tapping my Island and Forest. With no evidence for a mill deck, I would suggest that everyone voluntarily pay into it so that I can increase my odds of drawing Collective Voyage and thus setting everyone up for T3.
2) Otherwise, default to (DF)TP's plan, and I'd say that iGrok and Marv are the scummiest to me right now, because of iGrok's still-unresolved quip, and Marv's utter lack of thread presence. RockHydra and Stutters are null.
So, iGrok, please answer the question. What else would you be casting today?
"We're not going to release this stuff until it's good and darn ready, so as long as you keep yourself in top physical form, there will always be a limo waiting for you."
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I await your "real science" Appy
In the meantime everybody is welcome to...you know...find scum.
On January 29 2013 10:41 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 10:25 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
We could do this:
Have the "scummiest" players use their mana for Mind Glow, maybe after 24 hours have passed.
The other "townier" players cast creatures/spells/etc.
With that, people should get 3-4 cards from Mind Glow, likely enough to fill their hands again, and at worst discard 1-2 useless cards (not discard 10 :/ )
Of course determining who uses the mana and who plays cards can be changed. Maybe someone has nothing to cast today and can use his mana for it. I like the idea here. I can't drop any creatures today so I could fill mana but I'd much rather try to force scum to do it (in case I manage to draw something I can drop and be open to the mafia creature. Really wish I would have thought of mulliganing before I dropped my land.
Hmm, this post from Stutt's gives me a townie gut feel.
Volunteering for it like that, even if he couldn't cast shit anyways, seems somewhat townie, specially agreeing with it in the first place before it got that much of a support.
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On January 29 2013 10:46 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Why so quick Bin?
There's no hurry to cast shit.
What if Cross or Nova have a super duper card and they could use your mana for it?
Remember my commandment: Don't rush shit
I haven't casted anything. I'm just re-posting my conclusions here before I leave, partially so that Oats can follow my train of thought when he sees the thread, and partially because I wanted to clear up any remaining misconceptions about what Minds Aglow actually does.
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When you said "I'm going to cast Minds Aglow, tapping my Island and Forest" I thought you were going to do it right now
Nevermind then.
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Also, how about a "if marv doesn't post anything at all lynch him" policy kill this game? 
You won't get away with it this game buddy 
Also, just like I did in the previous game:
Read the whole thread before deciding to cast anything with mana cost
Have to be careful about scum casting stuff to avoid the plan, then saying "oops! Didn't read the thread!"
Hopefully stupid townies don't do it either.
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Okay so here's the thing:
We are running Zombie Infestation.
(this badboy right here:+ Show Spoiler +)
For that reason, we would have prefered Minds aglow next turn (and given all 3 mana, too!), but it seems like like it would be more beneficial to town in general this turn, than delaying until next turn 
So if it's going to be today, we would REALLY like to cast zombie infestation this turn (instead of contributing mana). And of course still ask everyone else to use as much mana as humanly possible!
Not just the lurkers/scum! Everyone! Think of it as a group project!
I promise we're not crazy (or scum)
~dandel (with acro's consent)
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How about this: Scumhunt and find a scum, and we'll let you cast Zombie Infestation!
Seems like a good deal?
I don't really like people asking for stuff (even though you could just cast that thing without anybody's permission) if they in return don't do any scumhunting, etc
Reminds me of Toad last game, where he spent all D2 asking me to give him mana so he could take his beast out.
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Was there a mayor election I missed?
~dandel
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That was a nice way of saying "who appointed this guy boss?"
~dandel
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On January 29 2013 11:00 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Okay so here's the thing: We are running Zombie Infestation. (this badboy right here: + Show Spoiler +) For that reason, we would have prefered Minds aglow next turn (and given all 3 mana, too!), but it seems like like it would be more beneficial to town in general this turn, than delaying until next turn So if it's going to be today, we would REALLY like to cast zombie infestation this turn (instead of contributing mana). And of course still ask everyone else to use as much mana as humanly possible! Not just the lurkers/scum! Everyone! Think of it as a group project! I promise we're not crazy (or scum) ~dandel (with acro's consent)
Haven't we established that using as much mana as possible isn't entirely helpful? Drawing is great but if we mill ourselves were ditching a lot of potentially powerful cards when we discard to seven since we won't have mana.
Since you haven't mentioned it, what are your thoughts on forcing the scummiest players into contributing their mana for it?
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On January 29 2013 11:17 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
That was a nice way of saying "who appointed this guy boss?"
~dandel
Well, I'm the only guy apparently giving a damn trying to find scum and get people to give a crap about finding scum, so I guess that gives me at least a little tiny bit of authority.
I had a gut town feeling about you, but unless you start scumhunting then it's not going to go further than that. Toad had similar activity early in the previous game as you did (he was scum).
Not calling you scum, I just want you to start doing shit, as everybody else so we can get this game started
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On January 29 2013 10:34 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 10:12 Aperture Science wrote:On January 29 2013 10:10 BinOnFire wrote:On January 29 2013 10:07 Aperture Science wrote:
So, Mind's Aglow looks completely useless. Awesome.
Scumhunting is in Flavor. Magic Discussion is not. It's an investment for turn 3 - the details are on the last page, if you didn't catch them. What else would you be doing this turn, anyways? I'd be scumhunting. The question is not "What else would you be doing this turn?"->"I'd be scumhunting" but rather "What else should you be doing right now?"->"I am scumhunting" Post reasoning for thinking someone is scum now. Everybody do this too please I'll start Stutters: blabla SuckTheDeck: blablabla Aperture Science: blablablue RockHydra: blub blub blub We are still missing Cros+Nova, maybe they are both the scumteam and everything I posted is irrelevant /G
To expound on my fellow's head. Your try-hard "scumhunting" is not useful, and in fact is a detraction. It made us wonder whether you are a try-hard townie or a scum derailing the discussion about minds aglow, which was far more interesting than you analyzing people's first posts in the thread.
Your last sentence says it all, pretty much. Nobody's entry into the thread was particularly noteworthy and you nattering on about it is just a distraction. If you were actually hunting for scum, that would be fine, but that's not what is happening. You are telling everybody else to post lists. That is the opposite of scumhunting. It's giving your conclusions. I have no conclusions and scumhunting is what I do to find things out.
Now lets stop hogging the thread and let other people make some posts. I agree with you that I particularly want to hear from Marv, but it's 2 AM in England, so chances are he's asleep. Same for Nova.
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On January 29 2013 10:58 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Also, how about a "if marv doesn't post anything at all lynch him" policy kill this game? You won't get away with it this game buddy Also, just like I did in the previous game: Read the whole thread before deciding to cast anything with mana costHave to be careful about scum casting stuff to avoid the plan, then saying "oops! Didn't read the thread!" Hopefully stupid townies don't do it either.
I read the thread. I have 0-mana creatures. What now?
On January 29 2013 11:19 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:00 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Okay so here's the thing: We are running Zombie Infestation. (this badboy right here: + Show Spoiler +) For that reason, we would have prefered Minds aglow next turn (and given all 3 mana, too!), but it seems like like it would be more beneficial to town in general this turn, than delaying until next turn So if it's going to be today, we would REALLY like to cast zombie infestation this turn (instead of contributing mana). And of course still ask everyone else to use as much mana as humanly possible! Not just the lurkers/scum! Everyone! Think of it as a group project! I promise we're not crazy (or scum) ~dandel (with acro's consent) Haven't we established that using as much mana as possible isn't entirely helpful? Drawing is great but if we mill ourselves were ditching a lot of potentially powerful cards when we discard to seven since we won't have mana. Since you haven't mentioned it, what are your thoughts on forcing the scummiest players into contributing their mana for it?
Where dem scums at?
I would like to play as many cards as I can so that I can have as empty a hand as possible, assuming Mind's Aglow gets played. I can play 4 cards, and I mulled down to 6. I'll need to spend 1 mana to do so, so I'll have room for 5 and I can contribute 1 mana to the draw.
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EBWOP fellow head. And I am, of course, Acro, expounding on Dandel's earlier post.
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