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Let's put it this way: I can somewhat see the reasoning for a Wiggles lynch. I really don't like his political-like posts he's doing. The posts he does are (imo) written very carefully and seem to be very understanding towards the new guys in this game. Very much like someone candidating for Mayor in a game with that option, just that there's no mayor in this game and it feels faked to me. I don't really like that but I wouldn't say he's the best lynch for today based on that.
He continues to surprise me most times I sign up for games he's playing as well because I think I figured him out, he's being useless as town, I want to lynch him for that because he's usually not and suddenly he flips town.
I'd get behind a Wiggles lynch if I have to, to avoid a no-lynch but other than that I'd say WBG / Zelblade are better options right now.
I'll reread wiggles big post you quoted and your own post once I'm at my parents place to see your reasoning for wanting to lynch him. Got to admit I only checked it out really quick but haven't tried to read it carefully until now because I'm busy packing stuff :p
For now I'm gone. See you in something like 2 hours, got to go now.
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On December 21 2012 00:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 22:31 Toadesstern wrote:
He continues to surprise me most times I sign up for games he's playing as well because I think I figured him out, he's being useless as town, I want to lynch him for that because he's usually not and suddenly he flips town.
Please prove this.
Last game I played with him was PTP3 if I remember correctly and if you look at his filter it's just not that much either considering for how long he survived: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359357&user=99050&user=99050
Yes the filter has posts that look good and they are actually good but it's just not that much. I can't make out a significant difference and actually there's some posts that strike me as "this could be town-Wiggles" he had in that game that look somewhat like what he's doing this game.
Example (I remember this one because it was directed at me&bc):
+ Show Spoiler [click me] +On August 20 2012 11:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 10:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Whoever said third time is the charm is a horrible liar. Also people stop role speculating. Previous PtP games have seen really amazing ideas thought up and ones that lack any sort of creativity.
What people should instead be concentrating is scum and people trying to push scumish ideas. As Kurumi made the statement of role cops being the best form of cop he is obviously scum.
Now lets continue finding the rest of his team as it appears they are going to out themselves easily. Why do you feel the need to tell people to stop role speculating when no one's been doing it for the last several pages, and it's already been pointed out and addressed? Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:33 Toadesstern wrote:
I'll decide on wether or not I want to blast drazerk away tomorrow. Need some sleep.
For now, stop the bullshit speculations please. It's PTP after all. It's already hard enough to make set-up speculations in normal games although it's very much possible.
In PTP it's ridiculously hard to a point that it's almost impossible.
See you tomorrow.
Posts like that look a lot like what he's doing this game to be honest.
Again, that's why I'm uncertain about him. I definitely can't shake of the feeling that he's as well posting the way he did in.... whatever-the-name-was when I was modconfirmed phone-booth-mason and he got mayor as mafia, which is the reason I brought it up in my most recent post, because it really does look like this political correct Wiggles to please the masses from time to times. So those 2 things are obviously confronting each other, thus my trouble making a read on him right now.
But as mentioned earlier. I'm now at my parents place and will read your thoughts about him.
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On December 21 2012 00:46 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 00:44 Palmar wrote:On December 21 2012 00:43 iamperfection wrote:On December 21 2012 00:42 yamato77 wrote:
I would hang either of them. Debears thing with Toad was all kinds of dumb. come over to the good side debars is the best lynch. Stop pushing an alternative lynch to mine asshole. We're lynching wiggles. We can figure out other stuff later. lol you said you somewhat support it. No reason to be mad. we can figure out stuff now.
Do you think a mafia would go through the trouble and read up Chrono Trigger to find the quote about me he delivered?
I have a hard time thinking that way.
If he wants to shit up the thread he can just do so without checking it and hardline his usual "but Toad totally misinterpreted what I said! He has to be evil mafia who misunderstood me on purpose to make me look bad!"
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On December 21 2012 00:58 iamperfection wrote:
toad it just doesn't look like he is trying to catch scum to me
I get that and I agree but as I said, if it weren't for the quote he delivered I'd be all over him. I'm really having a hard time imagining someone would put that much effort into a game as mafia. Hell let's be honest, most people playing mafia aren't even reading the thread, amirite Palmar?
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Okay done reading what Palmar posted. I've got to say I actually agree with some things Wiggles said but I wouldn't put them so drastically. Generally speaking I'm someone who dislikes seeing people talk about townreads and I say that every game becaue there's always this one guy (or more) who just keeps up dishing out town-read after town-read without anything else.
That's the main reason I wasn't sure what to make of palmar earlier on.
That being said I agree that Wiggles big post about Eywa is pretty damn stupid. Guess there's no way around but reading that guy's filter after all...
And it's exactly what I said about it 3 hours ago: I really don't like him writing so political correct. That post is the epicenter of politcal correctness.
I wouldn't say Wiggles is misrepresenting things on purpose because as mentioned I agree with some things although I wouldn't have put it that drastically.
I'm going to think a bit about this, going to read Eywa's filter and check out Wiggles filter again.
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On December 21 2012 01:19 yamato77 wrote:
I do not like that post from debears on bit. Looks like straight up OMGUS.
yeah pretty much... I'd say the fact that he tunneled me and OMGUS'ed me as well doesn't look good either. Hell if you believe in my read on WBG you might toss in a Chainsaw-defence as well :p
It looks everything but reasonable. There's just no way that he thought that way beforehand, that's straight up OMGUS that resulted because of iamp's post and nothing else.
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On December 21 2012 01:24 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 01:22 iamperfection wrote:On December 21 2012 01:21 debears wrote:On December 21 2012 01:18 iamperfection wrote:On December 21 2012 01:15 debears wrote:
Iamp you should really read my toad case and my meta again.
1) my main problem with toad was his vote on wbg when he didn't vote me. His plsts about me seemed toc indicate that he believed I was showing strong mafia motivation in my one pos of "I did thag once". His reasoning for voting wbg was weak compared to his reasoning on me. Yet he didn't vote me
Add that with bim being unreasonable and wasting my time js scum oriented
2) I tunnel when I think I've found scum. Figure it out. You use one fucking game for your meta read? You're fu of shit
Also, did you forget that I tunneled the shit out of hapa and hopeless that game d1?
3)
3) I can't provide more content on someone (stutters) when they hardly post
4) you say I'm not interacting with the thread. That's a fucking lie. I interact plenty when I have time and other people are on. All last night the only person who showed was toad. Yamato came when I was getting off.
5) you say my activity is different. Have you even considered that its near fucking christmas??????????? Explain to me how its solely explained by scum motivation because its not
In fact, in mario mini, I disappeared for half of day one for activity
So iamp, you are
1) blatantly misrepresenting what I am doing in threae
2) arent rearing my cases
3) didn't actually look up my meta. 1 game =\= meta
4) misrepresenting my meta in the one game you did use
You are scum
##Unvote
##vote iamp
3) yeah ok buddy go do scum hunting if your town. You are not hunting scum and havent done it the entire game. You gave no reason for why im scum. Thats a great response. If your case is so good you should be hammering me. Your response "go scumhunt because yiu haven't" is bullshit. I am scumhunting. You know you are wrong and you can't refute my case. I will not allow you to misrepresent my meta scum lol what case Show me how 1) me tunneling someone is solely aligned with my scum games 2) how my drop in activity on day is solely aligned to my scum games. Its not at all. In fact its the oppsosite You can't provide those, and you don't want to. Because you are scum and you are wrong
The big problem with you is that you are incredibly erratic, you don't scumhunt and instead jump after everyone and their dog given that someone said something you disagree with.
That's not scumhunting. That's thinking you're the best at this game, everything you say is correct and everyone disagreeing with you must be retarded AND mafia because they wouldn't disagree if they were town, because what you said is correct. You do see the problem in that kind of "scumhunting", right?
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On December 21 2012 01:29 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 01:26 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 01:19 yamato77 wrote:
I do not like that post from debears on bit. Looks like straight up OMGUS. yeah pretty much... I'd say the fact that he tunneled me and OMGUS'ed me as well doesn't look good either. Hell if you believe in my read on WBG you might toss in a Chainsaw-defence as well :p It looks everything but reasonable. There's just no way that he thought that way beforehand, that's straight up OMGUS that resulted because of iamp's post and nothing else. What are you refering to with "thought that way before hand"?
I think your agreesion on Iamp is solely based on what just happened and I don't think you had your eyes on him before that.
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On December 21 2012 01:32 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 01:26 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 01:19 yamato77 wrote:
I do not like that post from debears on bit. Looks like straight up OMGUS. yeah pretty much... I'd say the fact that he tunneled me and OMGUS'ed me as well doesn't look good either. Hell if you believe in my read on WBG you might toss in a Chainsaw-defence as well :p It looks everything but reasonable. There's just no way that he thought that way beforehand, that's straight up OMGUS that resulted because of iamp's post and nothing else. Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 01:29 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 01:24 debears wrote:On December 21 2012 01:22 iamperfection wrote:On December 21 2012 01:21 debears wrote:On December 21 2012 01:18 iamperfection wrote:On December 21 2012 01:15 debears wrote:
Iamp you should really read my toad case and my meta again.
1) my main problem with toad was his vote on wbg when he didn't vote me. His plsts about me seemed toc indicate that he believed I was showing strong mafia motivation in my one pos of "I did thag once". His reasoning for voting wbg was weak compared to his reasoning on me. Yet he didn't vote me
Add that with bim being unreasonable and wasting my time js scum oriented
2) I tunnel when I think I've found scum. Figure it out. You use one fucking game for your meta read? You're fu of shit
Also, did you forget that I tunneled the shit out of hapa and hopeless that game d1?
3)
3) I can't provide more content on someone (stutters) when they hardly post
4) you say I'm not interacting with the thread. That's a fucking lie. I interact plenty when I have time and other people are on. All last night the only person who showed was toad. Yamato came when I was getting off.
5) you say my activity is different. Have you even considered that its near fucking christmas??????????? Explain to me how its solely explained by scum motivation because its not
In fact, in mario mini, I disappeared for half of day one for activity
So iamp, you are
1) blatantly misrepresenting what I am doing in threae
2) arent rearing my cases
3) didn't actually look up my meta. 1 game =\= meta
4) misrepresenting my meta in the one game you did use
You are scum
##Unvote
##vote iamp
3) yeah ok buddy go do scum hunting if your town. You are not hunting scum and havent done it the entire game. You gave no reason for why im scum. Thats a great response. If your case is so good you should be hammering me. Your response "go scumhunt because yiu haven't" is bullshit. I am scumhunting. You know you are wrong and you can't refute my case. I will not allow you to misrepresent my meta scum lol what case Show me how 1) me tunneling someone is solely aligned with my scum games 2) how my drop in activity on day is solely aligned to my scum games. Its not at all. In fact its the oppsosite You can't provide those, and you don't want to. Because you are scum and you are wrong The big problem with you is that you are incredibly erratic, you don't scumhunt and instead jump after everyone and their dog given that someone said something you disagree with. That's not scumhunting. That's thinking you're the best at this game, everything you say is correct and everyone disagreeing with you must be retarded AND mafia because they wouldn't disagree if they were town, because what you said is correct. You do see the problem in that kind of "scumhunting", right? Seriousky what is your read on me? One moment you say you don't like my post (infering I'm scum) Then you go and lecture me on mafia. Am I town or scum?
I think you're useless and I'd like you shot if we have a vig. I don't think it's unlikely that you're mafia but I'm having my issues with you that make it unlikely to put you down as a mafiaread although all the things I've seen from you should be pointing towards a mafia read.
Therefore I wouldn't want to see you lynched but rather shot, even if you're town if you keep on playing like that.
So a coinflip. I'd like to say you're mafia because in the grand scheme you do look scummy but I have those 2 things in my head that just blatantly read town to me and make me wonder.
For me, you're basicly in the Drazerk-category right now.
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and being in the Drazerk-category is something bad if you're usually not in the Drazerk-category according to other people but I never played with you before (I think?) so I'm ignoring that for now.
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From OP:
This game will use a simple plurality lynch. Whoever has the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. In the event of a tie, the person to reach that number of votes first will be lynched.
So we don't need to have 50%+ but yeah getting a bunch of votes on the same guy is still what we want to do to make it hard to manipulate things.
That being said I'm most likely going to vote Wiggles today and trust in Palmar. Yes it's a weird statement and I get that most people will probably consider it a scummy statement but I think that's what is best for today.
I said that I'm not sure about Palmar earlier but he looks better than Wiggles and WBG and the only VET other than those 3 left in this game is me :p
And well my town game isn't known for being good but mostly for being erratic resultwise. I either stomp mafias and get 70-90% mafia reads correct by the end of d1/d2 or d3 the latest like I did in L, WoF, that abomination of a game that had a shitton of players in it where I killed half of the mafias that ended up dead myself or the last time I played with WBG when he was mafia... don't remember the name
OR I'm completly retarded, hurting town like I'm mafias MVP by shooting 3 townies as the Joker in BC's game, as the mason in whatever the name of that was and so on.
There's really nothing inbetween. I'm either going to be a hero, a shining beacon of towns mafiahunting abilities or a total disaster. I'd rather see which one it is before I lead a lynch on d1 this time around :p
sooooo, long story short:
##unvote
##vote Wiggles
In Palmar we trust!
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I'd really like to know what kind of post WBG did so far that made Palmar think we shouldn't lynch him btw.
He's useless.
He's insulting for the sake of being insulting (well yeah I agree that's not indicating a mafia alignment nor a town alignment at all when talking about bugs).
I still think he faked reaction-fishing as he is utterly uninterested in any results he could have gotten out of it by sabotaging it himself, which obviously makes me think he just wants to look like someone doing "stuff".
The posts that look like he's doing something are generally really poorly done, usually targeting some random new guy telling them they are bad and what they did isn't good if the guy in question should be town. Guess what, that's what both newbie townies and newbie mafias do.
Posts like + Show Spoiler [click me] +On December 20 2012 03:11 wherebugsgo wrote:actually fuck morbidius, that last post by zelblade was much worse. ##unvote
##vote ZelbladeShow nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:36 zelblade wrote:Regarding eywa, I do find him pretty suspicious. First is obviously the roleplaying, and there are also a couple of posts I find questionable.+ Show Spoiler +I would like to examine the current situation and weigh in on mathematics. Generally speaking, there is a 75% or higher chance that if we kill someone on the first day that we will end up in a worse predicament than we currently are. I understand that our streets have been taken over by scum at night, but fear is not a reason to lose all our civil rights and obligations. As a productive member of society and an established citizen of this town, I plead that we take it easy today and allow our local police force to run their investigations before we strike. I presume that this is an attempt to get us to no-lynch. (Correct me if I am wrong) I generally do not agree with a no-lynch as it is a waste of a day, but merely suggesting so obviously isnt scummy. What I do not like though is that he simply mentions it in passing, gets shot down by iamperfection and never mentions it again. If he believes that a no lynch would be beneficial for town, why doesnt he attempt to push for one but merely just bring it up once? Seems possible that he is trying to derail the thread into lynch vs no lynch but decides to just back out. + Show Spoiler +Well, I was pretty drunk last night as I was out late at the Tavern... As I wander home, I stumbled and fell... A strange figure walked out from the shadows, though I could not make out his face, I dare not show myself as he seemed rather keen on making sure no one was about. I think he might be planning something... I could only guess at this point, but the figure kind of seemed similar to that of debears, I can't say for sure.
My head is spinning a little bit now that I think of it, it was a little too much action for me last night. However, I did see sciberbia and iamperfection at the Tavern as well, so I doubt they have anything to do with it. This post is also pretty problematic imo. I assume that he is saying that he feels that sciberbia & iamprefection are town and that dbears is scum. I dont understand why he would decide to post his reads randomly as town. As mentioned by toad, these reads serve no purpose without any reasoning behind them. Furthermore, it does not seem that he intends to push dbears at all - so why mention that he thinks dbears is scummy? That said though, I kind of doubt that scum would have the balls to pull something like this as it draws alot of attention and it is somewhat likely that he would get lynched for it. Leaning scum slightly for now, will wait for his case on whoever.Stutters is another person I find suspicious. I generally agree with Vivax's case on him. Also find his accusation onto Mordbidus kind of wierd, as it seemed pretty clear to me that it obviously wasnt a scumslip and thus not a legit accusation. Could be trying to pull attention of himself? bolded all the kinds of things bad scum (like zelblade) like saying. I specifically recall that zelblade is like this as scum. In addition, note the complete lack of a vote, and, in general, spine.
Does anyone here think that's a decent post WBG did? Sure he has a point but it's not enough for what I'm expecting from someone like WBG at all.
All he's doing is pointing out bad play and WBG is able to do that as both mafia and town because guess what, there's bad play in pretty much every townie. It is however an incredibly easy way to look like you're doing something while you're not.
TL;DR:
So yeah. I'd really like to know what makes Palmar think WBG is town right now.
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so much for that I guess. Let's hope WBG is SK and Wiggles is mafia or the other way around.
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On December 21 2012 04:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 04:25 Palmar wrote:
Posting on phone. I can't be here tonight. Please don't push the lynch off wiggles. There will be hell to pay if I come back to a townie lynch. Those are two contradictory statements.
let's assume you flip town. Do we wrath-lynch Palmar or WBG?
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On December 21 2012 04:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Cool. What are your thoughts on Vivax? Do you agree with what I wrote about him? Do you think he's scum?
he's someone I never played with before so I'm ignoring him d1 for lynches and will take a closer look at him around d2 or d3 to have a proper sample-size.
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Remember when I asked about wether we should Wrath-Lynch into WBG or Palmar if you really flip town?
Your answer was this one:
On December 21 2012 04:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 04:31 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 04:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:25 Palmar wrote:
Posting on phone. I can't be here tonight. Please don't push the lynch off wiggles. There will be hell to pay if I come back to a townie lynch. Those are two contradictory statements. let's assume you flip town. Do we wrath-lynch Palmar or WBG? You kill Palmar if he keeps playing how he's playing and doesn't start to provide original scum reads that contain actual reasoning. I don't see a reason to kill WBG right now. If his play take a nose-dive, sure, but barring that, between the two, you kill Palmar unless he shapes up.
You don't see a reason to lynch WBG.
You want to lynch Palmar if he keeps on playing the way he does, which means you think he's scummy but you're at least unsure about it.
I don't think you ever mentioned me so far.
Do you think the four of us are all town? I know this is C9++ and while hosts usually balance out the vets / new guys somewhat this most likely is not the case for this game because it's so heavily based on randomization, but do you really think all 4 of us being town is a likely scenario according to your reads?
Not asking about set-up speculation or the "well there's got to be a mafia within the VETS, right?" argument I love to use myself at all. It just strikes me as odd that you're not really that much into pushing any of us.
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On December 21 2012 05:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:22 Toadesstern wrote:Remember when I asked about wether we should Wrath-Lynch into WBG or Palmar if you really flip town? Your answer was this one: On December 21 2012 04:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:31 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 04:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:25 Palmar wrote:
Posting on phone. I can't be here tonight. Please don't push the lynch off wiggles. There will be hell to pay if I come back to a townie lynch. Those are two contradictory statements. let's assume you flip town. Do we wrath-lynch Palmar or WBG? You kill Palmar if he keeps playing how he's playing and doesn't start to provide original scum reads that contain actual reasoning. I don't see a reason to kill WBG right now. If his play take a nose-dive, sure, but barring that, between the two, you kill Palmar unless he shapes up. You don't see a reason to lynch WBG. You want to lynch Palmar if he keeps on playing the way he does, which means you think he's scummy but you're at least unsure about it. I don't think you ever mentioned me so far. Do you think the four of us are all town? I know this is C9++ and while hosts usually balance out the vets / new guys somewhat this most likely is not the case for this game because it's so heavily based on randomization, but do you really think all 4 of us being town is a likely scenario according to your reads? Not asking about set-up speculation or the "well there's got to be a mafia within the VETS, right?" argument I love to use myself at all. It just strikes me as odd that you're not really that much into pushing any of us. I have no idea how the hosts would balance. I don't know the relative skill levels of half the people in the game, and whether they've been playing for four months, or if this is their first game. I don't know how the hosts would balance the game with regards to myself considering I haven't played actively for about 5 months, and have barely looked at the forum for the last 4 months. So, balance considerations based on veterancy don't come to my mind, since I don't know who's considered a vet or not anymore. As for all four of us being town, no I don't think so. I don't think WBG is scum, I'm leaning scum on Palmar, and you I'm neutral on. So, it's not like I think that you and WBG are the towniest townies to ever town and that I'm neutral on Palmar. Palmar's someone I've been watching, and he's getting worse and worse. The fun part is that I call him out on not pushing any lynches strongly, and it's only after that point that he starts pushing a lynch strongly, and it comes on so strongly it's almost like an OMGUS. Also, him pushing my lynch isn't based around discussion of a case, it's based around him trying to bully people into voting me. Look at how he's getting people to vote for me. He's not appealing to any sort of reasoning or case, he's just spamming, "Vote for Wiggles!", and then he leaves with a threat that you'd better not unvote me. That's not townie behaviour, it's scum play. He's not relying on a case against me, he's making an attack and bullying everyone into going along with him. Also notice how I'm one of the few people not sheeping along with him and one of the only people who actually thinks that Palmar needs to be analyzed, and that after stating that, I become his #1 target and a priority to kill. He's trying to kill his dissenters right now. Dictator Palmar for life.
exactly. That's how town Palmar plays. Ever seen the Annul-Disaster game?
He even did a hitler video about everyone being an idiot for the last second changing of vote off Annul onto someone else.
I mean yeah it's troublesome because that trollish behavior is hard to analyze but he's putting more effort into the game than he usually does as mafia imo. It's hard to tell though, he changed his town style after L to a more trollish one to make up for the big difference in his town and mafia metas because he was (imo) pissed about the fact that he can't play "not-palmar" as town and wanted to troll from time to time as well, which resulted in him being lynched twice in a row. In L on d1 and in whatever his next game was quite early as well.
Pretty sure he stuck with that style for the sake of his mafia meta.
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On December 21 2012 05:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:54 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 05:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 05:22 Toadesstern wrote:Remember when I asked about wether we should Wrath-Lynch into WBG or Palmar if you really flip town? Your answer was this one: On December 21 2012 04:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:31 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 04:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:25 Palmar wrote:
Posting on phone. I can't be here tonight. Please don't push the lynch off wiggles. There will be hell to pay if I come back to a townie lynch. Those are two contradictory statements. let's assume you flip town. Do we wrath-lynch Palmar or WBG? You kill Palmar if he keeps playing how he's playing and doesn't start to provide original scum reads that contain actual reasoning. I don't see a reason to kill WBG right now. If his play take a nose-dive, sure, but barring that, between the two, you kill Palmar unless he shapes up. You don't see a reason to lynch WBG. You want to lynch Palmar if he keeps on playing the way he does, which means you think he's scummy but you're at least unsure about it. I don't think you ever mentioned me so far. Do you think the four of us are all town? I know this is C9++ and while hosts usually balance out the vets / new guys somewhat this most likely is not the case for this game because it's so heavily based on randomization, but do you really think all 4 of us being town is a likely scenario according to your reads? Not asking about set-up speculation or the "well there's got to be a mafia within the VETS, right?" argument I love to use myself at all. It just strikes me as odd that you're not really that much into pushing any of us. I have no idea how the hosts would balance. I don't know the relative skill levels of half the people in the game, and whether they've been playing for four months, or if this is their first game. I don't know how the hosts would balance the game with regards to myself considering I haven't played actively for about 5 months, and have barely looked at the forum for the last 4 months. So, balance considerations based on veterancy don't come to my mind, since I don't know who's considered a vet or not anymore. As for all four of us being town, no I don't think so. I don't think WBG is scum, I'm leaning scum on Palmar, and you I'm neutral on. So, it's not like I think that you and WBG are the towniest townies to ever town and that I'm neutral on Palmar. Palmar's someone I've been watching, and he's getting worse and worse. The fun part is that I call him out on not pushing any lynches strongly, and it's only after that point that he starts pushing a lynch strongly, and it comes on so strongly it's almost like an OMGUS. Also, him pushing my lynch isn't based around discussion of a case, it's based around him trying to bully people into voting me. Look at how he's getting people to vote for me. He's not appealing to any sort of reasoning or case, he's just spamming, "Vote for Wiggles!", and then he leaves with a threat that you'd better not unvote me. That's not townie behaviour, it's scum play. He's not relying on a case against me, he's making an attack and bullying everyone into going along with him. Also notice how I'm one of the few people not sheeping along with him and one of the only people who actually thinks that Palmar needs to be analyzed, and that after stating that, I become his #1 target and a priority to kill. He's trying to kill his dissenters right now. Dictator Palmar for life. exactly. That's how town Palmar plays. Ever seen the Annul-Disaster game? He even did a hitler video about everyone being an idiot for the last second changing of vote off Annul onto someone else. I mean yeah it's troublesome because that trollish behavior is hard to analyze but he's putting more effort into the game than he usually does as mafia imo. It's hard to tell though, he changed his town style after L to a more trollish one to make up for the big difference in his town and mafia metas because he was (imo) pissed about the fact that he can't play "not-palmar" as town and wanted to troll from time to time as well, which resulted in him being lynched twice in a row. In L on d1 and in whatever his next game was quite early as well. Pretty sure he stuck with that style for the sake of his mafia meta. Ok, so what's your point? I think he's scummy, that's my justification. If he continues playing this style, then we need to kill him. Do you disagree?
Yeah he's troublesome because he's hard to read but all that is stuff he does as town as well so I don't think we should lynch him. You seem to agree on that point because you said you want to lynch him if he continues to play that way.
Point is that we're lacking alternatives if you don't want to lynch Palmar, WBG, myself or anyone else that was a topic earlier. Switching to a random lurker for being a lurker sounds like a bad plan to me.
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On December 21 2012 06:17 Keirathi wrote:
Vote Count
Mr. Wiggles (4): Palmar, yamato77, Toadesstern, sciberbia
zelblade (2): wherebugsgo, Mr. Wiggles
Palmar (1): Eywa-
debears (1): iamperfection
iamperfection (1): debears
Morbidius (1): wherebugsgo, Vivax
Toadesstern (0): wherebugsgo, debears
Eywa- (0): iamperfection, Palmar, yamato77
Vivax (0): debears
Stutters695 (0): debears, Vivax
wherebugsgo (0): Mr. Wiggles, Toadesstern, Morbidius, Vivax
Currently wherebugsgo is set to be lynched. Deadline is in about 2 hours 40 mins.
I assume you mean "Currently Wiggles is set to be lynched", correct? It's supposed to be a normal game after all.
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