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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 16 2012 17:51 GMT
#3
/in
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 21:22:30
December 16 2012 21:21 GMT
#10
##vote WBG

If he's town people will be so paranoid about him that he's better off dead.
If he's mafia he's better of dead.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 17 2012 01:43 GMT
#24
DT or anything like that not possible? Make sure to treat a miller like a VT that way, oh and immunity vs DT checks for SK are probably not worth a damn :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 17 2012 02:29 GMT
#26
okay, was it me being retarded & sleepy at 3am or did you edit that after I mentioned it?
I am confused
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 17 2012 15:06 GMT
#35
don't make posts that read like /in but aren't /in at all
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 17 2012 16:45 GMT
#37
On December 18 2012 01:17 Promethelax wrote:
fucking fuck. Full already?

/in or /replacement. I love normal minis.

you got the last spot according to my math.

\o/ to Prom getting the last spot \o/
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 17 2012 16:46 GMT
#39
On December 18 2012 01:45 Promethelax wrote:
Oh, so me yelling at Kier on irc under various names to let me play wasn't necessary? Woops.

highly depends on wether or not I can calculate correctly. I wouldn't bet too much on my maths considering that I wasn't able to read the setup earlier.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 17 2012 19:41 GMT
#60
I usually pick terrorists. Really don't like playing CT
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 17 2012 20:48 GMT
#68
On December 18 2012 05:26 yamato77 wrote:
Any time, any day. I'll be active at some point.

Though a warning in advance, I am self-imposing a strict posting limit of ten posts per cycle to remedy my spamming issue. Don't lynch me for this. Lynch me for being mafia.


yeah same here but people should already know about that if they watched my last game :p
I don't have a number I set for myself but I'll post way less.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 18 2012 11:14 GMT
#74
well if that's your plan we'd have to make sure this game doesn't start before the 22th.

On December 18 2012 09:48 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 05:54 GreYMisT wrote:
So millers in this setup are self aware?

Yes. I toyed with the idea of making them not self-aware for this game, but I think I'll keep them self-aware for this game.

Also, going to start tomorrow. I ended up being pretty busy this afternoon.

That's fine but isn't the standard the other way around?
Usually millers aren't self aware and them being self aware is a change :p

I mean it could get a little hairy with a combination of miller and mason in a game I suspect.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 13:39:59
December 18 2012 13:32 GMT
#78
On December 18 2012 22:25 marvellosity wrote:
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On December 18 2012 09:48 Keirathi wrote:
On December 18 2012 05:54 GreYMisT wrote:
So millers in this setup are self aware?

Yes. I toyed with the idea of making them not self-aware for this game, but I think I'll keep them self-aware for this game.

Also, going to start tomorrow. I ended up being pretty busy this afternoon.


you'd have to be very careful with this, remember that Miller actually nominally counts as a "blue" - i.e. a pro-town force, in C9++. Unselfaware millers are a boon for mafia, so the balance gets screwed up somewhat


exactly what I meant with what I said. An unaware miller is something considered half a red PR, as in it's hurting town. A weak one but it is hurting town. A self-aware miller is something that is slightly helping town. Not a real blue but it's on the plus side and it has an amazing synergy with the kind of masons that are in this game.

Edit: Didn't consider what bugs said. If it's an innocent child nerfed into a miller that's obviously decent. I just brought this up because it used to be not self-aware millers in pretty much every game, someone did a game with self aware millers and suddenly everyone uses them or assumes they are in play like matt (and the majority of everyone else) did in palmars storm game if I remember correctly (It was storm where Matt screwed up his miller claim, right? checking right now :p... no it wasn't storm, no idea what the game was)
Edit2: got it, it was LVII
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 19 2012 02:10 GMT
#139
sup guys

I won't believe any claim Vivax does in the future if he happens to claim something at some point and I'd say we stick with it that way. Yeah millers should claim but claiming VT (read: as in the ROLE, not the alignment) is retarded. Looks awfully set-up. Not alignment indicating at all because he's either a mafia or a townie trying to achieve something like doding or catching a bullet through confusion.

Just saying, see you tomorrow.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 19 2012 13:47 GMT
#169
Do you think I'm stupid or do you hope someone else is stupid bugs?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 19 2012 14:13 GMT
#171
On December 19 2012 22:57 Eywa- wrote:
Hey guys,

I just got into work... God what a nice day it is today, how are you all feeling?

I'm fine. But bugs is ignoring me
Guess he's asleep right now.

Do you have any thoughts about anything yet?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 19 2012 14:30 GMT
#176
On December 19 2012 23:24 Eywa- wrote:
Well, I was pretty drunk last night as I was out late at the Tavern... As I wander home, I stumbled and fell... A strange figure walked out from the shadows, though I could not make out his face, I dare not show myself as he seemed rather keen on making sure no one was about. I think he might be planning something... I could only guess at this point, but the figure kind of seemed similar to that of debears, I can't say for sure.

My head is spinning a little bit now that I think of it, it was a little too much action for me last night. However, I did see sciberbia and iamperfection at the Tavern as well, so I doubt they have anything to do with it.

I don't ask about your thoughts to know the "results". I asked about your thoughts to get the reasoning. I get that it's still early in the game but giving names, coloring their names and making a cute story to back it up isn't exactly helpful.
Mafias don't have problems giving you reads. Mafias have problems explaining the reads they're giving.

So obviously I want you to, to see how you're doing.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 19 2012 14:42 GMT
#180
On December 19 2012 23:32 Palmar wrote:
@sciberbia

To add to your case, I had already noticed this post as you did:

Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:
I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1


What sticks out to me here is the first part. The second part is obviously correct, but the first part is interesting, why is it included in this post? It's not necessary to drive the point across, it doesn't help debears press the issue, all there is to it is an attempt to convince that since this is what he does, we need not worry about him being mafia.

I need to read more, but I think maybe we have a good option here for a lynch.

yeah agree. Imo those 3 ones in conjunction are equally interessting, if not more so:


On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:
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On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.

Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap?


I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1
On December 19 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:
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On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:
On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.

Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap?


I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1

were you town or scum that game?
On December 19 2012 09:34 debears wrote:
Town. Mario mini dawg


He's basicly telling us to lynch the guy because he's doing something stupid with the reasoning that he once did the very same thing AS TOWN.
Given his history he at least should be the guy telling people something the lines of "okay, this guy is retarded but sometimes townies are retarded. I did the same mistake in a recent game" given how people apparently love to defend other people... well or at least not bring it up the way he did. Instead he's insta-voting him with a flawed logic when he should be well aware of all that.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 19 2012 14:57 GMT
#189
On December 19 2012 23:50 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 23:16 sciberbia wrote:
Just woke up and reread everything. So far, I'm leaning scum on debears and iamperfection


debears
The main thing I find suspicious about debears is that he twice seemed to be demanding explanation from other people, but then backed off rather easily when they failed to explain themselves. See spoiler for quotes
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 19 2012 09:27 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 09:25 Vivax wrote:
Hi noobs,

I'm a Vanilla townie.

And I don't understand why yamato is so afraid of posting much.


What. The. Fuck

##Vote Vivax

On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.

Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap?


I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1

On December 19 2012 09:50 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 09:48 Vivax wrote:
Hey debby, I've just finished writing a huge post in another game.

Admit it, you just voted for me cause I called you noob.


I don't remember that at all actually.

And mind explaining what pro-town purpose your claim has?

On December 19 2012 09:51 Vivax wrote:
Maybe later

On December 19 2012 09:52 debears wrote:
Fair enough



Debears immediately voted Vivax and made a followup question. I found it odd that he backed off so easily. He recently unvoted Vivax as well. This suggests to me that he wanted to appear to be asking important questions, but didn't want to draw too much attention to himself.

Next is his little back-and-forth with iamperfection:
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 19 2012 09:38 debears wrote:
Hey iamp. Quick question. I would like to hear how you don't remember mario mini

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440

You should check out the playerlist. You should recognize a certain someone on there

On December 19 2012 09:41 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 09:40 iamperfection wrote:
On December 19 2012 09:38 debears wrote:
Hey iamp. Quick question. I would like to hear how you don't remember mario mini

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440

You should check out the playerlist. You should recognize a certain someone on there

you remember everything from that game? dont be retarded the reason you remember you claiming vt is because it was you


Eh. True. I would just think that SnB screaming "Kenpachi rule!!!" would have come across your brain



Similar thing here. In the 1st quote, debears seems to be implying that iamperfection is scummy for maliciously not remembering Mario Mini. But in the 2nd quote, he backs off when iamperfection gives an obvious answer. Why bother to ask the question at all if you're going to be satisfied with "I just don't remember"?



iamperfection
I find iamperfection's start to the game a bit scummy. I think the main motivation behind scum posts at the start of D1 is to quickly be established as an "active poster" and not a lurker. iamperfection's posts are many in number, but a lot of them are pretty pointless and give me the feeling that he's posting just for the sake of posting:
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 19 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 09:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Any counterclaims?

##vote: wbg

amuse me

give a reason why.

On December 19 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:
On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.

Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap?


I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1

were you town or scum that game?

On December 19 2012 09:38 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 09:36 yamato77 wrote:
On December 19 2012 09:35 Stutters695 wrote:
Ebwop: thought so, internet sarcasm just isn't my thing.

Anyway miller talk is pointless. If someone else rolled miller they should claim and we lynch the scummier of the two, otherwise it's a non issue until later down the line. After a few flips discussion on setup would have more meaning but currently it's pointless.

Yamato if you're only making ten posts per cycle or whatever please try to make them higher quality/don't start that until we have stuff to discuss.

People making dumb accusations.

I have to post against them.

This post will be the final one that I won't count against my arbitrary posting limit.

hey i think your arbitrary post limit is stupid and you shouldn't do it. If your town i want to know what you think and if your scum well the walls will come crashing down eventually. So either way i don't want a posting restriction from you

On December 19 2012 10:16 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 09:50 Eywa- wrote:
Hello everyone,

My name is Victor Valentine and I have just moved to this town from the great metropolis of New York City. I speak both English and French... I have gotten here through obtaining a job at the local power plant. I wish to have a beer down at the local tavern to get to know some people from this town. Let me know what you all think!

of what

have fun with your role play stuff but from your post you have actually commented on absolutely nothing. So im thinking maybe scum what you think?

On December 19 2012 10:27 iamperfection wrote:
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On December 19 2012 10:26 Palmar wrote:
On December 19 2012 09:11 yamato77 wrote:
I'm miller.

This post is not going to count against my post count because I'm forced to do this, I believe.


wut?

wut are you confused about?

On December 19 2012 10:53 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 10:51 Morbidius wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:32 iamperfection wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:30 Palmar wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:27 iamperfection wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:26 Palmar wrote:
On December 19 2012 09:11 yamato77 wrote:
I'm miller.

This post is not going to count against my post count because I'm forced to do this, I believe.


wut?

wut are you confused about?


He seems to think he's forced to claim miller, and is talking about post count?

he said before the game started he was imposing a post count restriction.

I strongly suggest him to drop the post count restriction, it will only restrict our reads on him. Also this whole ''post count restriction'' is convenient if he got scum.

there an echo in here?




I'd appreciate some thoughts on my points. Palmar, you can consider this your two people to analyze if you want. Apparently, you've already looked at debears, so do you agree or disagree with what I said?

What do you think of debars votes on stutters?

Im leaning town on debars because 1. A scum debars would know better than to come after me at all after mario mini
2.He was absolutely right on stutters just recapping the thread and not stating anything at all. His response was to apologize basically which i hate.

also too toad and palmar who i have caught with my ninja f5 i think your totally misrepresenting what debars is saying considering his vote is on stutters. He is obviously trying to lynch him dawgs.

so im thinking about a stutters lynch right now

I get what you're saying though if you think I am misrepresenting what he said I want you to interpret what he said here:

On December 19 2012 09:27 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 09:25 Vivax wrote:
Hi noobs,

I'm a Vanilla townie.

And I don't understand why yamato is so afraid of posting much.


What. The. Fuck

##Vote Vivax


The wording is either incredibly sincere which would make him an incredibly cynical (not cynical... I don't remember the correct word right now ) considering that he did the very same thing or it makes him someone faking emotions for whatever reason.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 19 2012 15:02 GMT
#195
On December 19 2012 23:59 iamperfection wrote:
what you think of this eywa guy toad?

stopped reading his post after my most recent answer I wrote towards him. So nothing really except for annoying. I'll just completly ignore him and catch up on his filter whenever I'm feeling like it I guess.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 19 2012 15:13 GMT
#208
Hey Palmar. Do you think WBG would be so open about explaining what he's doing if he's really trying to do what he wants us to think he's doing?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 19 2012 15:20 GMT
#212
On December 20 2012 00:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
So Toad where is your vote?

Might be on you sometime later.

On December 19 2012 16:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
Toad is scum, let's kill him, toad is scum, let's kill him, lalala la la laaaaaa

##vote Toadesstern



into

On December 19 2012 21:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
At this point in the game it's not the figuring out of alignments that's the problem. It's publicizing reads that I don't have an interest in publicizing.

I have no reason to make public reads that are better off being developed in private. Tainting reads by giving your targets forewarning that they're being watched carefully is generally (I've found) a good way to ruin them, at least on day 1.

That's why I like to observe, for the most part, or at least cause some reactions, without putting forth all of my motives.


really doesn't work bugs. The only reason I didn't say it more clearly is because after all there might be someone stupid enough to go all batshit about your first vote. Noone did. You're still going with it?

Why are you explaining what you're doing when your "plan" revolves around being a trap? Again, why are you still going with it?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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