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iamperfection
United States9641 Posts
On December 20 2012 00:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Toad's dumbness strikes again! What a bullshit reason to vote someone. does it make him scum. For someone screaming bullshit you seem to have been full of it yourself going through your filter. i have no idea what to think of you. | ||
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Vivax
21972 Posts
On December 19 2012 12:26 Stutters695 wrote: @vivax why claim vt so early? What are you hoping to achieve for the town by doing that? The question is what I was hoping to achieve with that before noticing that everyone except you knows this trick. The Kenpachi trap involves a wishy-washy reaction to a town claim being supposedly indicative of scum. I've actually never seen it work, but one can always try. I think that scum tends to focus on rather insignificant events to point out, trying to inject suspicion into the atmosphere, but then quickly retreating from the accusations when questioned. A guy doing that towards a miller claim in debears' last game got caught up in his hook and flipped red. In this game, I think that this behaviour fits, hmm, you. ##Vote Stutters695 Oh and, before posting obvious fluff you should read the damn thread. On December 19 2012 13:57 Stutters695 wrote: *snip* No one has asked Vivax why he posted it directly. + Show Spoiler + On December 19 2012 09:50 debears wrote: I don't remember that at all actually. And mind explaining what pro-town purpose your claim has? On December 19 2012 13:57 Stutters695 wrote: Let's talk about someone who hasn't been contributing through their posts though. Morbidius: If you think Yamato scumslipped, why haven't you said anything about it since calling it a scumslip? That's a pretty major accusation to throw out considering he's still the only miller. What changed, why aren't you pushing that at all? And this is you surprisingly losing interest in me when pressured. Looks like we've got an Adam 2.0 here. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Dearest eywa may we get news from east bahliff on the group of dark summoners? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On December 20 2012 01:00 iamperfection wrote: does it make him scum. For someone screaming bullshit you seem to have been full of it yourself going through your filter. i have no idea what to think of you. Iamp I find it odd that toad tried to misrepresent what I said in terms of mario mini and the kenpachi rule. Its obvious he assumed that I once did it, yet he never even checked the game that I mentioned. Now, whether he's dumb eniugh as scum to do that is the question | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On December 20 2012 00:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Toad's dumbness strikes again! What a bullshit reason to vote someone. to get this straight, you agree with my analysis on your "trap" and the nature of your trap being retarded as you explained what you're doing while doing it which generally speaking is a bad thing when trying to get true reactions. You however think that it makes you blatantly town and everyone should agree on you being town because of that and the fact that you bursted like a baloon, desperatly trying to explain what you're up to when being poked at ever so slightly? You know, instead of just going along with your trap/reaction-fishing to get what you (apparently) intended to get (hint: it's reactions). | ||
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iamperfection
United States9641 Posts
On December 20 2012 01:08 debears wrote: Iamp I find it odd that toad tried to misrepresent what I said in terms of mario mini and the kenpachi rule. Its obvious he assumed that I once did it, yet he never even checked the game that I mentioned. Now, whether he's dumb eniugh as scum to do that is the question i think toad has enough stuff in this game to go off of and i don't really care that he was confused. so far i like toad he has been calling out bullshit and been active. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On December 20 2012 01:08 debears wrote: Iamp I find it odd that toad tried to misrepresent what I said in terms of mario mini and the kenpachi rule. Its obvious he assumed that I once did it, yet he never even checked the game that I mentioned. Now, whether he's dumb eniugh as scum to do that is the question I don't read old games. Ever. I didn't try to misrepresent what you said, I misunderstood what you said because of your bitter poor wording and took it for what it was. Go ahead and read what you posted: On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote: I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 Do you really think it was obvious that you were referring to "falling into a Kenpachi trap" and not referring to "doing the same thing" when sayine I've done the same thing before ? Especially considering the 2nd phrase going on about it, makes it look like you're still talking about the same topic. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9641 Posts
On December 20 2012 01:27 zelblade wrote: Opps just realised the game started. Reading brb don't get email updates when you receive a pm? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 20 2012 01:10 Toadesstern wrote: to get this straight, you agree with my analysis on your "trap" and the nature of your trap being retarded as you explained what you're doing while doing it which generally speaking is a bad thing when trying to get true reactions. You however think that it makes you blatantly town and everyone should agree on you being town because of that and the fact that you bursted like a baloon, desperatly trying to explain what you're up to when being poked at ever so slightly? You know, instead of just going along with your trap/reaction-fishing to get what you (apparently) intended to get (hint: it's reactions). nope, you're just dumb. I haven't "desperately" tried to explain anything. Also to the couple people who were crying about "dumb doesn't equal scum!" you're right, it just means Toad is dumb. I never said that's why I think he's scum. Nice try, though. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9641 Posts
On December 20 2012 01:36 wherebugsgo wrote: nope, you're just dumb. I haven't "desperately" tried to explain anything. Also to the couple people who were crying about "dumb doesn't equal scum!" you're right, it just means Toad is dumb. I never said that's why I think he's scum. Nice try, though. yes bugs you haven't explained anything. cue the slow clap. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On December 20 2012 01:36 wherebugsgo wrote: nope, you're just dumb. I haven't "desperately" tried to explain anything. Also to the couple people who were crying about "dumb doesn't equal scum!" you're right, it just means Toad is dumb. I never said that's why I think he's scum. Nice try, though. If it's not desperate: On December 19 2012 21:37 wherebugsgo wrote: At this point in the game it's not the figuring out of alignments that's the problem. It's publicizing reads that I don't have an interest in publicizing. I have no reason to make public reads that are better off being developed in private. Tainting reads by giving your targets forewarning that they're being watched carefully is generally (I've found) a good way to ruin them, at least on day 1. That's why I like to observe, for the most part, or at least cause some reactions, without putting forth all of my motives. why did you post it to begin with? I'm seeing a WBG getting in the thread, planting a rnd vote to get reactions while explaining that he's into laying traps and getting reactions. Those 2 things don't go along that nicely so I'd say you posted it because you thought you should for whatever reason. Why did you post it if it wasn't desperation? | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
Will post more on it later, am a bit busy at the moment but i promise to post more reasoning. Even so this is day 1 where scum reads are at their weakest. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
On December 20 2012 01:34 iamperfection wrote: don't get email updates when you receive a pm? Na didnt turn on that option | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
From the very first post On December 17 2012 19:58 Palmar wrote: /in First post, fairly harmless, but it's downhill from thereon. On December 18 2012 18:54 Palmar wrote: Can we have instant majority lynching optional so I can hammer bugs dead on the night christ was born? On December 18 2012 22:32 Palmar wrote: I like my millers unaware and of the death variety. Palmar decides to comence his character development before the start of day 1... It's a bold move, how can it go wrong. I'll tell you, it starts off that Palmar is a hyper-aggressive player who enjoys blindsides and what not. He's very keen on this idea, so keen, that his gameplay should follow the same trend right? Well, that's the first anomaly... His pre-game attitude is polar opposite to his ingame attitude. In the game, Palmar is no where near this aggressive. The game has started, Palmar detects an anomaly in someone's post, something he can't make sense of... No suspicion is raised, no attack is made... Nothing but a Wut and a half assed explanation offered. Not even asking for a second opinion. On December 19 2012 10:26 Palmar wrote: oh and I'm going to sleep will read tomorrow On December 19 2012 10:30 Palmar wrote: He seems to think he's forced to claim miller, and is talking about post count? Now, Again, we look farther into Palmar's filter... We find some very telling info. First, he offers the hypothesis of posting or lurking is in no way affiliated to allignment, then he goes off and says, but if it was it would be this way. I mean, the indecisiveness is in no way the Palmar we saw pre-game... It's kind of like he's leaving his options open so that people can agree with either side of his argument, like... I don't like tomato soup, but if you're making some, I prefer it with crackers rather than noodles. On December 19 2012 18:20 Palmar wrote: Actually that's not true. I don't think you can safely read anything into the frequency of posting, but if you really want to, I'd rather go with it being a point in the scummy column than the townie one if a player is posting less than expected. Also what the fuck is up with this new TL town shit meta of defending everyone and everything for no bloody reason. What happened to only defending if you're certain you're right and just letting people fend for themselves? In the same post as we see the indecisiveness of someone afraid to take innitiative, he claims that people should stop defending each other... Why does he claim this? There's no reason to... Is he seeking for there to be less counter-evidence provided on cases? That seems pretty scummy to me. Next, we have perhaps the biggest teller which clearly marks Palmar as scum. Never does a townie have to explain how they would be playing if they were playing scum... It just doesn't make any reasonable sense to. His argument is entirely based around the scum not getting lynched on the first day he claims miller even if there's a counter-claim... Regardless, one of the Millers is going to die today, the next tomorrow... Given that, the scum don't find themselves any further ahead in any scenario except if there's no counter claim which basically turns his entire mathematics scenario into complete hocum. On December 19 2012 18:41 Palmar wrote: You forget that the counterclaim doesn't necessarily mean that the scum will get lynched right away, I dare say I'd take this chance as scum. If you manage to argue your way out of the day 1 lynch and get the real miller lynched, you've successfully wasted a day for town and even if you yourself will die the following day, it's 2 days pretty much wasted. So not only do you have 40% chance of getting ridiculous amount of town cred (who is thinking about lynching yamato77 now? anyone?) But you also get an additional 30% chance of at least wasting towns time for not a great, but acceptable trade. (assuming there's 60 I'd do it in a heartbeat. However, I think we need to trust yamato's claim. Or well it's the default position. I don't know the guy and I usually assume people I don't know just play straight up, because recognizing this opportunity as mafia, having the confidence to win against the counterclaim, and having the balls to make the claim seems too much to ask from someone who's new I think. That leaves 11 people to look at. Now, not only does he lay out the "I would do this if I were scum, he also lays out that we should trust someone whom we've never heard of, seen play or spoken to before because it's a bold move to claim Miller... How the $#(% does that leave us with 11 people to look at? I mean... This post just has scum written all over it, and it gives us his partner in crime too (unless he's trying to get yamato killed - in which case yamato would be revealed town (we're assuming that Palmar has this knowledge) and once yamato is revealed town, Palmar looks innocent because his hypothesis was proven right). Puleeeease. Moving ON SORRY ABOUT THAT, I DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING BY IT, PLEASE DON'T HURT ME. On December 19 2012 19:56 Palmar wrote: oh, I misread the earlier conversation. Sorry about that. You might take the chance if you were town, given your current state though, you don't seem to want to actually take ANY decision whatsoever, even trivial ones. You're afraid to stick your toe out... Sounds scummy. You'd think it can't get better... Well, it does. So now you're telling us how you are even though your actions are entirely the opposite? And since when do we talk in absolutes... YOUR OPINION OF ME IS A LIE! I'M NOT SCUM... Do you really think that your defensive nature here is helping you? On December 19 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote: Also what do you intend to accomplish trying to argue whether or not I'd take a chance on a powerplay as scum? Are you just trying to stir up shit for the sake of it? On December 19 2012 20:45 Palmar wrote: I don't believe it is one. And I think I know myself better than you do. So you're lying right now. Why? I want you to come up with a justification for why this guy is scum... I know I just called you a lier and thus, probably should think of you as a scumbag, but I am just going to throw all that out the window to prove that debears is indeed scum... However, I don't want to point it out because that'd be too risky, I want you or anyone else for that matter to point out that debears is scum with an explanation for it. What's gotten you so scared of taking the wheel Palmar? Concerned you may look SCUM for attacking people? On December 19 2012 21:03 Palmar wrote: In fact bugs, I want to know exactly how you feel about debears. Please don't just give me a random answers, I want explanation for whatever hunch you may have, and if you cannot tell which way you're leaning, I want you to explain why. In return, I'm willing to extend the invitation for anyone in the thread to challenge me to analyse any player's alignment based on their posting so far. Obviously I cannot write a lengthy analysis on everyone in the game, so the first 2 suggested I will check out. On December 19 2012 21:15 Palmar wrote: Why do you consider asking you to sit down and give me your thoughts on a player to be a waste of time? I can see two very good things come out of it. One is that if I compare your thought process to mine, and see the reasoning behind yours, I may get a better read on your alignment. The second is I don't understand how trying to figure out player's alignments can be a waste of time, it's kinda the point of the game dude. I'm reaching out to you bro. Embrace the hug! I WOULD TOTALLY DO THAT, I WOULD TOTALLY DO THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS GAME I HAVE BEEN AS PASSIVE AS THAT BUMP ON THE LOG. Oh wait... You're right, I wouldn't do it  ... I'm not scum though... DONT HURT ME, YOU'RE RIGHT! YOU'RE RIGHT... I Love you, please don't hurt me.On December 19 2012 21:18 Palmar wrote: Well I thought you'd judge what I do based on past experiences. I've proclaimed myself King as mafia, I've claimed an insane cop for no good reason. I do powerplays all the time, and if I say that I'd take the chance to this powerplay I would. However you are somewhat right, because due to how publicly I despise miller claims, in the end I wouldn't do it. My point was that if I wasn't bound to playing to my meta, I would take this risk. However no one would believe me claiming miller on day 1. I wouldn't even do it if I was town anyway. Hah, just kidding, I'd do it but it'd be in a way that nobody would ever know it were me and I would never prove that it's me... Seriously... On December 19 2012 21:21 Palmar wrote: So yeah, I guess you lying is a bit over the top. To sum up and explain better, I would make the miller claim as scum, if was playing on a smurf, but not under my main account and all the baggage that comes with that. Everyone is being watched, even though I earlier claimed Yamato was 100% innocent... Odd isn't it? Wait... it's not over ladies and gents, there's more... The guy who has refused to give out a solid opinion on anything this game - including his own gameplay is now saying that it's hard to read someone because they didn't decide anything? Yeah... Trully feeling it. On December 19 2012 22:20 Palmar wrote: Whatever, your refusal to share any of your thoughts make it hard to get a read on you. Maybe we should just lynch you to get a read on you. Now... If you've read up until now, this next part is totally hilarious... Like, take a good look, he's been talking a whole bunch about his past games and now he's saying "THIS GUY IS SCUM FOR SAYING HE DID IT BEFORE".... OKAY, YOU FINALLY... Oh wait, you're second on the target and even then... YOU ARE SKEPTICAL, you have no opinion... Why? I imagine you want to mirror someone else's. SCUM On December 19 2012 23:32 Palmar wrote: @sciberbia To add to your case, I had already noticed this post as you did: What sticks out to me here is the first part. The second part is obviously correct, but the first part is interesting, why is it included in this post? It's not necessary to drive the point across, it doesn't help debears press the issue, all there is to it is an attempt to convince that since this is what he does, we need not worry about him being mafia. I need to read more, but I think maybe we have a good option here for a lynch. Once again, I don't mind, but I won't make the call. On December 19 2012 23:39 Palmar wrote: Also I don't mind lynching the roleplayer. Oh good, someone voted on an easy target, let's kill him. On December 20 2012 00:03 Palmar wrote: ##Vote Eywa- People don't like how he's posting, I can make another easy decision! YAY! We're watching everybody, but we're not lynching these guys... Let's add someone who seems less questionable so that I gain credibility. On December 20 2012 00:12 Palmar wrote: An important update: Sciberbia has joined yamato77 in the list of players we're not lynching. On December 20 2012 00:12 Palmar wrote: That leaves 10. this is fun! No one should gain town influence, because that's dangerous... It's okay for me to go and sheep opinions without throwing anything out there that might turn someone against me... On December 20 2012 00:17 Palmar wrote: He's just an overconfident asshole, I don't really care what he's doing at the moment. As long as he doesn't gain any sort of influence on the town I'm pretty much okay with not worrying too much about him at the moment. He's notoriously difficult to read, he's wrong/right/bad/good/aggressive as any alignment, so I'm just gonna go with "whatever" for now. Ah, back onto the subject of the easy target... This game is simple. And now, we're back... On December 20 2012 00:59 Palmar wrote: So do you think he's scum because of it bugs? Do you think he's scum? I don't think unless someone else thinks the same thing before I think, otherwise people might not like me. In conclusion, Palmar is playing the role of "let's not piss anyone off" and "if I were scum, I'd play polar opposite to what I am now"... When in reality, he just can't play scum and is guilty. I call for lynch on day 1. ##vote Palmar You've made it obvious buddy, welcome to the big leagues. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 20 2012 01:42 Toadesstern wrote: If it's not desperate: why did you post it to begin with? I'm seeing a WBG getting in the thread, planting a rnd vote to get reactions while explaining that he's into laying traps and getting reactions. Those 2 things don't go along that nicely so I'd say you posted it because you thought you should for whatever reason. Why did you post it if it wasn't desperation? the fuck? Why would I need to be desperate in order to tell someone why I'm not going to answer his questions? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 20 2012 01:49 Morbidius wrote: ##vote wherebugsgo Will post more on it later, am a bit busy at the moment but i promise to post more reasoning. Even so this is day 1 where scum reads are at their weakest. nice. This is the "I know this guy is not scum, but I'll post some bullshit later...however, since I know I'm wrong I'm going to mention the fact that on day 1 reads are weak, so I don't get raped by town later." ##unvote Toadesstern ##vote Morbidius | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 20 2012 02:05 Eywa- wrote: The Story Of Palmar From the very first post First post, fairly harmless, but it's downhill from thereon. Palmar decides to comence his character development before the start of day 1... It's a bold move, how can it go wrong. I'll tell you, it starts off that Palmar is a hyper-aggressive player who enjoys blindsides and what not. He's very keen on this idea, so keen, that his gameplay should follow the same trend right? Well, that's the first anomaly... His pre-game attitude is polar opposite to his ingame attitude. In the game, Palmar is no where near this aggressive. The game has started, Palmar detects an anomaly in someone's post, something he can't make sense of... No suspicion is raised, no attack is made... Nothing but a Wut and a half assed explanation offered. Not even asking for a second opinion. Now, Again, we look farther into Palmar's filter... We find some very telling info. First, he offers the hypothesis of posting or lurking is in no way affiliated to allignment, then he goes off and says, but if it was it would be this way. I mean, the indecisiveness is in no way the Palmar we saw pre-game... It's kind of like he's leaving his options open so that people can agree with either side of his argument, like... I don't like tomato soup, but if you're making some, I prefer it with crackers rather than noodles. In the same post as we see the indecisiveness of someone afraid to take innitiative, he claims that people should stop defending each other... Why does he claim this? There's no reason to... Is he seeking for there to be less counter-evidence provided on cases? That seems pretty scummy to me. Next, we have perhaps the biggest teller which clearly marks Palmar as scum. Never does a townie have to explain how they would be playing if they were playing scum... It just doesn't make any reasonable sense to. His argument is entirely based around the scum not getting lynched on the first day he claims miller even if there's a counter-claim... Regardless, one of the Millers is going to die today, the next tomorrow... Given that, the scum don't find themselves any further ahead in any scenario except if there's no counter claim which basically turns his entire mathematics scenario into complete hocum. Now, not only does he lay out the "I would do this if I were scum, he also lays out that we should trust someone whom we've never heard of, seen play or spoken to before because it's a bold move to claim Miller... How the $#(% does that leave us with 11 people to look at? I mean... This post just has scum written all over it, and it gives us his partner in crime too (unless he's trying to get yamato killed - in which case yamato would be revealed town (we're assuming that Palmar has this knowledge) and once yamato is revealed town, Palmar looks innocent because his hypothesis was proven right). Puleeeease. Moving ON SORRY ABOUT THAT, I DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING BY IT, PLEASE DON'T HURT ME. You might take the chance if you were town, given your current state though, you don't seem to want to actually take ANY decision whatsoever, even trivial ones. You're afraid to stick your toe out... Sounds scummy. You'd think it can't get better... Well, it does. So now you're telling us how you are even though your actions are entirely the opposite? And since when do we talk in absolutes... YOUR OPINION OF ME IS A LIE! I'M NOT SCUM... Do you really think that your defensive nature here is helping you? I want you to come up with a justification for why this guy is scum... I know I just called you a lier and thus, probably should think of you as a scumbag, but I am just going to throw all that out the window to prove that debears is indeed scum... However, I don't want to point it out because that'd be too risky, I want you or anyone else for that matter to point out that debears is scum with an explanation for it. What's gotten you so scared of taking the wheel Palmar? Concerned you may look SCUM for attacking people? I WOULD TOTALLY DO THAT, I WOULD TOTALLY DO THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS GAME I HAVE BEEN AS PASSIVE AS THAT BUMP ON THE LOG. Oh wait... You're right, I wouldn't do it ... I'm not scum though... DONT HURT ME, YOU'RE RIGHT! YOU'RE RIGHT... I Love you, please don't hurt me.Hah, just kidding, I'd do it but it'd be in a way that nobody would ever know it were me and I would never prove that it's me... Seriously... Everyone is being watched, even though I earlier claimed Yamato was 100% innocent... Odd isn't it? Wait... it's not over ladies and gents, there's more... The guy who has refused to give out a solid opinion on anything this game - including his own gameplay is now saying that it's hard to read someone because they didn't decide anything? Yeah... Trully feeling it. Now... If you've read up until now, this next part is totally hilarious... Like, take a good look, he's been talking a whole bunch about his past games and now he's saying "THIS GUY IS SCUM FOR SAYING HE DID IT BEFORE".... OKAY, YOU FINALLY... Oh wait, you're second on the target and even then... YOU ARE SKEPTICAL, you have no opinion... Why? I imagine you want to mirror someone else's. SCUM Once again, I don't mind, but I won't make the call. Oh good, someone voted on an easy target, let's kill him. People don't like how he's posting, I can make another easy decision! YAY! We're watching everybody, but we're not lynching these guys... Let's add someone who seems less questionable so that I gain credibility. No one should gain town influence, because that's dangerous... It's okay for me to go and sheep opinions without throwing anything out there that might turn someone against me... Ah, back onto the subject of the easy target... This game is simple. And now, we're back... Do you think he's scum? I don't think unless someone else thinks the same thing before I think, otherwise people might not like me. In conclusion, Palmar is playing the role of "let's not piss anyone off" and "if I were scum, I'd play polar opposite to what I am now"... When in reality, he just can't play scum and is guilty. I call for lynch on day 1. ##vote Palmar You've made it obvious buddy, welcome to the big leagues. LOL this made me laugh. You've got some good points but unfortunately Palmar says stupid shit all the time as town. I'm not certain he's scum, but I like your style. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9641 Posts
On December 20 2012 02:12 wherebugsgo wrote: nice. This is the "I know this guy is not scum, but I'll post some bullshit later...however, since I know I'm wrong I'm going to mention the fact that on day 1 reads are weak, so I don't get raped by town later." ##unvote Toadesstern ##vote Morbidius its true he discredits himself in that post but i think it would be better to see what he has to say first @Eywa- see doesn't that feel much better. Palmar does tend to be lazy, stupid and useless day 1 but i think you had strong points in your case especially about the shirking of responsibility and the fact that palmar has floated around somewhat and kind of just been here. I think palmar is pretty easy to read though if he is scum and i would want to see more from him before lynching him on day 1. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On December 20 2012 02:10 wherebugsgo wrote: the fuck? Why would I need to be desperate in order to tell someone why I'm not going to answer his questions? because saying that totally cripples / backfires on your general idea how to play this game d1? If you intended to post that there was no reasoning for reaction fishing earlier on, which is fine because you might have concluded that it failed and just ignored it but you kept going on about it over here: On December 20 2012 00:11 wherebugsgo wrote: So Toad where is your vote? which makes no sense. You're either sabbotaging your own play or you're posting useless stuff that looks like you're doing something. I don't see you do either of those 2 as town. | ||
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