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On December 12 2012 10:17 Foolishness wrote: I don't even think it's worthwhile to bother with the swapping. Knowing Greymist there's probably random swaps every night whether we want them or not. We have to lynch someone, we figure out who. Other world should be figuring out who they want to lynch tomorrow. Anyways I'm voting for marvellosity cause he's mafia. ##Vote: marvellosity Did we roll mafia again, dear? You did this exact thing in Bureaucracy and you were scummy as shit there, too. ##Vote: Foolishness | ||
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On December 12 2012 10:24 Foolishness wrote: I have and I found a mafia. Look for yourself. cool story bro. similar amounts of reasoning given too. that'd be none for the reader wondering On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote: Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style: Ignore List: Mattchew Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts? Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him. And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1. ##Vote: syllogism On July 17 2012 06:39 Foolishness wrote: Day 1 nuke is a Kurumi-esque thing to do, but I've said that before about him when he's mafia. I want the nuke redirected at marvellosity because he's mafia. On July 22 2012 09:12 Protactinium wrote: Foolishness the CEO was stabbed to death with a broken coffee mug. | ||
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let me think oh yeah you rolled scum again | ||
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oh yeah, there's a vote thread. | ||
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On December 13 2012 00:58 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeahhh! ##Vote Foolishness why? | ||
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On December 13 2012 01:04 Crossfire99 wrote: Marv and Palmar, do you really think Foolish is scum because of his vote on marv? Idk anything about foolish except that he is on the balance team, which I assume means he must be pretty good. Even if he did this bad vote as scum previously, do you think he would do it again? Personally, I don't feel comfortable voting for him just based on that. who'd you rather kill right now? | ||
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On December 13 2012 07:36 Foolishness wrote: He hasn't made a post longer than 30 words (most of them are just one liners full of nothing). He's not contributed anything of substance, all he has done is start a silly counter vote on me, backed by horrible reasoning. He says my vote is exactly the same as bureaucratic mafia, but it's not anywhere close. In bureaucracy, I just said he should die, I didn't give reasoning, and I don't even think I ever voted for him, I just made the comments in passing and never really elaborated on them. Poor comparison to try to get something going (though the amount of people jumping on it is great for the town). What's most sketchy about his accusations against me is that they seem so out of the blue. He was really quick to jump up and point the finger back, so quick that it was made out of panic (oh shit he's onto me...quick! accuse him back to divert the attention!). Hi there. I'd made 2 small posts at the beginning of the thread when you called me scum Now you're a pretty clever boy and you know that's not alignment indicative. I start every game ever in the universe like this. And no, you're stupid accusation didn't panic me. You lost your aura back in Bureaucracy when you were so trivial to catch as scum. How could I divert the attention when there was nothing to divert it from? Oh look, marv asked why Clarity was in both worlds and said hi, he must be scum! Give me a break. My accusation of you (shallow as it may seem) had more depth and interest than your accusation of me. If you're genuinely town then you should know the posts I made at the beginning of the game are in no way alignment indicative, so I can only presume what you were doing was some sort of play to get people talking? Whatever it was, it was bad. | ||
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On December 13 2012 07:06 randombum wrote: I dunno I just wanted to get a vote down and I made up something about the last person when i checked the thread. I suppose I could vote for myself, but that's no fun. you don't really understand how to play mafia, do you? | ||
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you perpetually make me weep. | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:15 Foolishness wrote: And I made all of 3 posts before you guys hopped on the train and the case against me is better? so it's ok that I made 2 posts that were totally null and unalignment indicative, and it's not ok I called you out for your bullshit? From what I know/have heard of your town games, you usually take a more observing role Day 1 and then bust out your awesome reads come Day 2. Is this an unfair characterisation? If not, where does randomly calling me scum for something you should know very well isn't scummy come from? | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv you baited him calling you scum so hard, man. yeah, i know right. | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:31 Foolishness wrote: I did something extreme? He called me out on a bunch of bullshit cause he's a little butthurt Don't flatter yourself, seriously. | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:40 Foolishness wrote: You flatter yourself thinking you're good at this game. where did I say that, mr snippy? | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:54 Foolishness wrote: He posted 2 things, I got a bad vibe. nobody was doing anything productive. I wanted to get the ball rolling. You were conveniently gone. Wanted to save accusation of crossfire for later. so given I lobbed out a possible scumread on Crossfire, what is your opinion on me currently? | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:56 Foolishness wrote: Are you a player who will draw attention to their own mafia team? I'll play in any fashion I deem pragmatic as scum. | ||
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Clarity, you've been a very naughty boy. | ||
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Remember there'd only be one scum to resist a Foolishness lynch if he was actually scum. Crossfire just as an example. | ||
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No not particularly solid at all. Time seems to have gotten away... I don't really wanna lynch into slOosh/randombum, Kenpachi/Palmar are ???, Dieno is Dieno and I've not read how austin's played in your game yet. | ||
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Thoughts on austin? | ||
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On December 14 2012 01:02 slOosh wrote: marv, what does "Dieno is Dieno" mean? ##Vote (GreY): Crossfire99 He played in Chrono and he was cute and cuddly Dieno with his diagrams and generally just fluffing about. Work's been pretty hectic for me this week, I'll put in effort later to get proper reads, anything I say right now is just feel | ||
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On December 14 2012 07:05 austinmcc wrote: You. Alignment? (Don't lie) Thoughts on: randombum dienosore rugby as an olympic sport kenpachi You missed me objecting to a statement and telling everyone that Palmar, slOosh, and Crossfire99 are NOT "anti-town elements." So they're good to go for now, and they're worth listening to, although we haven't had a lot of time since then. Otherwise, there have been no big "AHA!" moments. I just got to this. Why the fuck didn't you include me? This makes me quite suspicious | ||
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austin is well known for having complete paranoia about my play. | ||
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On December 14 2012 07:09 slOosh wrote: I figured I had two votes because of marv's ##worship early game, which is why I was leaning away from him. Pending results refers to a vote update, but now since marv is here I guess he can confirm / deny. why do you figure that? | ||
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The fact I totally distrust your checks also leaves the other options open as well, but probably that's not a goer for now. | ||
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He seems to have typed a few longer paragraphs this time is all I got | ||
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On December 14 2012 07:27 Crossfire99 wrote: Marv, if no one was off the table, who would you want to lynch? Well, you seem kinda interested so maybe you're town this game. sloosh for right now I think is town, Palmar is null. So really it's between austin and kenpachi. I'm fine with a policy lynch at this point and I don't trust austin for his checks at all. I don't know if now it's just ME being paranoid, but his explanation that he'd have to check me by myself seems such a copout. | ||
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On December 14 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote: Well, you seem kinda interested so maybe you're town this game. sloosh for right now I think is town, Palmar is null. So really it's between austin and kenpachi. I'm fine with a policy lynch at this point and I don't trust austin for his checks at all. I don't know if now it's just ME being paranoid, but his explanation that he'd have to check me by myself seems such a copout. Although I am monumentally displeased sloosh isn't here right now having just been here. | ||
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On December 14 2012 07:33 austinmcc wrote: Pshaw. Look at the rest of my play this game. Or we can discuss my checks after this lynch/you can try to get me lynched/whatever. But you'll notice that the people who were around don't seem to be finding me scummy. At the very least, drop me for this cycle. Besides, you know I'll check you by yourself later what about the rest of your play. you just indulge in setup speculation which can be done by anyone you poke and prod randombum when it should be clear he's a bad lynch right now you excuse foolishness for his scumminess by going "um, he's townie because he never gave a satisfactory response on his scumminess" your play is pointless and doesn't have to be townie in any way whatsoever. | ||
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On December 14 2012 07:33 Crossfire99 wrote: Marv, did you see Keir's question for you in other world? answered it | ||
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"um, risk is probably town because he's lurked so heavily since he was active early game, means he's probably town bros" | ||
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On December 14 2012 05:29 austinmcc wrote: I don't think we should just no-lynch, assuming Foolish and Keirathi were the two scum. I was less certain of Foolishness's scumminess than this thread, because ... the whole thing was just kind of weak. If he were scum, I'd expect some kind of defense because it was sitting right in front of him. Palmar wanted to know why Foolishness was doing what he was doing, and it would have been plenty easy for Foolishness to figure out the "town" answer and give that. He didn't. So I wasn't left being sure about his scumminess. seriously, what the fuck is all of this. Foolishness did scummy thing. He was questioned on it. He didn't or couldn't give a satisfactory answer. Therefore Foolish probably not scummy. | ||
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On December 14 2012 08:03 slOosh wrote: marv, like I said I'm here on and off. I'm not seeing where you are getting at with austin. Are you saying that town austin is usually paranoid about you and therefore would have no doubt included you in the check? I don't see much reason for scum to come in when town has no idea what to do after their main scum lynch was taken away, and then fake claim to offer up lynching guidance the way he did it. I'm leaning Kenpachi as a lurker / unreadable lynch. yes, I would absolutely expect him to include me on a check. In fact you were co-host in LV when I played around with austin in Toad's mason chat, and he's never trusted me since, and we've played many games together. austin is always paranoid of my alignment to the bold, why not? | ||
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On December 14 2012 08:17 Dienosore wrote: We lost our top read and the town was floundering. This sounds like the perfect time for a scumball to step in and start to influence people's opinions without looking too suspicious. What better way than create some vague detective check that no one can really confirm. It also creates the opportunity to give town cred to some names of his choosing. I didn't feel comfortable voting for Kenpachi anyway. Even less once you guys mentioned he has a history of lurking. On the chance that I'm wrong about Austin and he does flip town, then we have three pretty much confirmed townies. If we are right and Austin is scum, then hurray scumball in a great position of power is down. This does make it exceedingly tempting, yes. | ||
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Foolishness being unable to explain his scumminess DOES NOT MAKE HIM LESS LIKELY TO BE SCUM | ||
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I'd quite like sandroba's input right now. I would say Foolishness but he seems totally uninterested in who we might lynch over here. fu, clarity, srsly. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: kenpachi | ||
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On December 14 2012 08:43 slOosh wrote: Marv the extra vote doesn't come from you? ##Unvote ##Vote: kenpachi I presume it does. I don't know what ##worship does, but it giving you an extra vote would make sense. | ||
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yes, my superawesome towncase on myself is based on someone who hasn't flipped. Take that, bitches. | ||
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##Interdimensional Rift *coughs* | ||
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On December 15 2012 00:12 Clarity_nl wrote: What...... have you done?? it'll be fine, trust me. | ||
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On December 15 2012 00:39 austinmcc wrote: The sad thing is that I'll play that game. A one-way swap, possibly at random. A lot of normal-y actions don't need to be popped in thread, so...either just you dicking around or something large, like a swap. All the other swap mechanics (bar Palmar) have been typed in thread. It's a genuine mechanic. I am not aware, however, of the precise details of how it functions. Nor am I aware, in fact, of even the broadest general idea of how it functions. | ||
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*sunglasses* | ||
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On December 15 2012 01:21 slOosh wrote: Hey marv could I have your updated read on austin? Still think it's bs or starting to see my way? I did think about it a little more, and I'm not sure I completely accept what you said. The fact there was no reason for austin to do what he did as scum isn't a reason not to. austin loves 'plays'. What good did austin's power do? We ended up policy lynching kenpachi. | ||
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On December 15 2012 01:47 slOosh wrote: You say that as if it was solely his fault that Kenpachi was lynched. Motivations are separate from results, and I don't think his motivations are scum driven. He carves out three people who cannot be lynched before him, which limits scum mislynch options and also drives lynch focus on himself if any of these three players look suspect. Plus there is the "let's just lynch him to confirm 3 people". All these things greatly diminish scum's ability to play, and the only upside to this whole thing is maybe "town credit" but that's like bussing your teammate before anyone starts suspecting them gives "town credit". The only way his play makes sense is if crossfire99 is scum, since the lynch was wavering and could have snowballed onto him, but I'm finding that austin's consistency / explanations outweigh that. It's easy to pick out townies when you're scum. I was the only one who came into the thread from either world raging about his checks, so from a perspective it was a well-calculated play APART from marv. Plus we DIDN'T lynch him just to confirm 3 people, like we should have. Ugh. Simplest solution is that he's town. I'm just unhappy about how it all went down but I can't prove anything so I don't know that i can actually pursue it. | ||
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Sorry :/ | ||
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if not, i'll try to make some time for filtering later | ||
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Palmar seems uninterested but he's not *pretending* to be interested. | ||
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I have just had his filter open right now, though. I'm kinda ok with the sandroba suspicion-pushing thing, because that's the kinda thing Risen would probably do as either alignment. I don't like how he's (not) pushing mementoss, though. | ||
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yeah ok I could see risen hang. | ||
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ken looking very townie was simply a flat out lie LAL | ||
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However, now berating town with what you posted in addition to the clear fallacy of kenpachi looking very townie is enough to bring it back up. Honestly love I don't care if you're suspicious of me as mafia (this seems to be the case from your tone), but read what I say instead. The points I make stand for themselves | ||
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On December 16 2012 08:51 randombum wrote: I dunno if I should respond in length to tear apart foolishness's read on me or just call him wrong. humour me and respond at length. | ||
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On December 16 2012 08:59 Risen wrote: Well it seems I'm forced to claim. Crossfire is my homie, but we can never be in the same world together what does this mean exactly, dear? | ||
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please save shouting at me for having no idea what's going on until another time | ||
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Dienosore, Mementoss, Foolishness | ||
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Do you wish to discuss anything with me? | ||
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RL is horrendously busy atm, but don't not-lynch me or whatever because of that. My colouring of Foolish in red up there should indicate how I'm currently feeling about his last large post. I did talk briefly about the reads within somewhere as well. | ||
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Basically I'm not convinced by any of it And I think Mementoss is scum, he's one of the only people I filtered earlier and I don't see the town. I also noticed sandroba calling him scum. Foolishness basically brushes off a mementoss read in his post, completely. | ||
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##Activate Alternate Wincon I know, I know. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. | ||
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you know I'm not scum though, sweetie. | ||
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Foolish is my lynch <3 It's kinda tempting just to claim actually | ||
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I don't care about your read on me in the slightest | ||
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On December 18 2012 09:22 Risen wrote: Took .5kp. Thank you whatever medic healed me last night since a red check with my ability does 1kp to myself. This confirms marv scum, as I targeted him last night. ##vote: marvellosity It's not my fault I got the same role power again marv I'm 3p survivor and this is blatantly obvious from my play go away child | ||
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i can't really be arsed to fight this lynch just because it's stupid, but pretty much anyone who's played with me knows i don't play like this as scum or town if crossfire confirms that you did this then i'm fine that you're not scum, Risen still don't make me scum | ||
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clarity can't be scum because of mechanics? | ||
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i don't know which would be scum, and i'm busy right now | ||
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can you check with the hosts whether your roleblock notifies, please if not, Risen isn't necessarily lying | ||
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scum already know your alignment, so the only people you're fooling are town. why?? @kei On December 16 2012 10:05 Risen wrote: My PM does everything but say he's town. If he's scum I'll be more surprised than I've ever been in a mafia game. | ||
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He said he took 0.5kp and thought he'd take 1 kp from me | ||
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the whole situation only ties together if the power you used was directed against anti-town or scum | ||
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Risen has an anti-town or anti-scum ability he uses on me Risen was protected from roleblocks by Crossfire yamato jailed/dealt 0.5kp to Risen Crossfire prevented the jail So Risen took 0.5kp from yamato and was not jailed this falls down because if the wording of his role was "not-town" he should have taken KP from me. | ||
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this is why i ask | ||
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that's actually the weird thing, not yamato's explanation. | ||
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Being part of 2 worlds is like having a massive target or question mark over your head immediately, which would seem a quite unfair way of designing things in the first place | ||
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then again i'm using powers every cycle that i have no idea what they do, so i don't know why it's weird. whatevs :d | ||
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On December 18 2012 12:18 Risen wrote: Btw I was roleblocked and took .5kp last night. Final answer. Risen, you're such a douche. | ||
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it's 3 am and I've just taken half an hour late at night trying to work out something really quite complicated and Risen goes "lol just kidding" seriously, dick move. | ||
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let's not be misrepresenting what I've done. Now, I'm not saying I've been a shining beacon of helpfulness, but I've pushed Foolish as scum all game, I've been on mementoss for at least a cycle, and I coloured Dieno in red once, yet I've been 'pushing Dieno' compared to these games. Policy lynching ken isn't 'pushing' ken either. Stop it. THAT is scummy. | ||
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On December 18 2012 14:31 randombum wrote: Also, marv still could be a mafia, but either way I think he's anti town now. After the dieno mis lynch: Pretty much seems like he was like "nope, town ain't winning this" You and yamato are both very silly. I'm pretty clearly exactly what I claim to be. Don't create a narrative to suit your thoughts. That's not "what I was like" at all. I have a whole bunch of powers, that I must use once each day and night, and I win when I've used all my powers. The tricky bit, obviously, is that some of the powers look pretty dodgy, like that alternate wincon. I've not been notified of any change in wincon, so from my perspective I'm still firmly on town's side right now in the need to lynch scum. Generally I have a couple of silly sounding powers, some bad sounding powers, some ??? powers, and some good sounding powers (that I've aimed at slOosh). I don't *think* I gave slOosh the item though, i don't know how and why i would have | ||
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Everything you write is unadulterated nonsense fyi the two people i've been scum on over a long period of time are you and foolish | ||
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I give yamato/randombum a pass on that because they don't know how i play | ||
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YOU are the one not paying attention to the thread On December 17 2012 08:46 marvellosity wrote: I swear I'd posted a reply, but apparently not. Basically I'm not convinced by any of it And I think Mementoss is scum, he's one of the only people I filtered earlier and I don't see the town. I also noticed sandroba calling him scum. Foolishness basically brushes off a mementoss read in his post, completely. | ||
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i didn't claim town so why do i want you to compare how i play as town, numbnuts? | ||
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I just said that you'd be a scumread for a while and you know my scumplay never looks anything like this, the more you push the idea the worse you look so basically, carry on. | ||
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If you objectively look at my play this game, you're not stupid enough to think it doesn't look like 3P and instead looks like scum. If you're claiming otherwise, you're claiming scum. It's really easy. | ||
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I'm waiting for Clarity to hopefully swap Foolish or you here so I can lynch the piss out of them. | ||
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BH I'd have to look at, but let's kill Fool/Mementoss first. | ||
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there's plenty to criticise about my play (whatever everyone ) but what you said about who i'd pushed and stuff was just ridiculous and twisted to make me look worse. | ||
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Kei, to paraphrase you, I "pushed austin, pushed ken, pushed Dieno, and soft-pushed foolish" ok. I was suspicious of austin, followed by NOT having my vote on him at deadline, I policy lynched ken for lack of better options, and put Dieno's name in red once. Why did you mention Dieno, who I only did to, and not Mementoss, ALSO coloured in red in that post, AND I actually then said why I thought Mementoss was scum? I *clearly* pushed Mementoss as an idea more than Dieno, yet you mention Dieno and not Mementoss. Then I "soft" pushed Foolish (compared to "pushing" the rest of the names) when I've been calling Foolishness scum all game, in fact he's the person I have CONSISTENTLY pushed as scum. How is that "soft" compared to what the rest were? Twisty twisty. | ||
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On December 19 2012 06:50 Foolishness wrote: I claimed BH is town cause he is, just as I claimed dienosore was town and he was. I explained what my role did and why I put it on Yamato, there was plenty good reason for me to do so. I was right to think that there was something up with marvellosity, he pretty much claimed 3rd party. Assuming that he is 3rd party, he is still anti-town. You want to let him run around then you have only yourself to blame. That's like saying "I thought he was scum because he was wearing a hat. Turns out he was 3rd party so my hat theory was kinda right guys!" | ||
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On December 19 2012 07:21 syllogism wrote: Sloosh you should probably full claim tonight. Even if your role is awesome, which I doubt, you dying makes the game easier. I don't entirely trust austin's check and I need to narrow down possible candidates for the second mafia in Grey. Marvel you also need to full claim your abilities. I'm not quite willing to believe that you don't know what your abilities do. How does it make sense for you to even use your abilities if you don't know what they do? It only draws attention to you if you are a survivor. Also this doesn't make sense if you are a survivor with a standard survivor win con. The easiest way for you to win is by having either side win quickly. I think that's the point, sweetie. My wincon isn't standard as I think I've mentioned before. I have 10 abilities, one to use each day and night which is compulsory, and I win when I have used all of my abilities and survive to the next day post (start of day 6 then). Basically means a romp either way is a bad thing for me. | ||
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In particular I have a mass teleportation command (that's it's name) which I presume will do some interesting world shuffling. | ||
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#rename looked like an ability where I couldn't tell if it was good or bad. So I didn't want to use it on people I thought were definitely town or definitely scum, so I used it on Keir who I think might be scum but could still be not. | ||
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Whether you like it or not I heavily expected austin to have me as a pick given our history. It was what it was. | ||
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I was looking at it from austin's motivations. How can't you see that? | ||
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This is nothing like that. Come on, now. | ||
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as scum, when have I ever been nonchalant? i called foolish out as scum and when I got a chance to lynch him I did. *shrug*. there's very little else to it. | ||
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This entire line of questioning is immensely boring. All these things you're questioning/accusing me on are entirely unindicative of me being mafia - nonchalance, needing to be asked over and over again for a read. Stop asking me things that don't fit my scum play at all and quite clearly fit the 3rd party survivor coasting along play, it's dull. | ||
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On December 20 2012 19:30 syllogism wrote: Marv what do you think your role in the other world would be Does everyone's role change in different worlds? I'd be somewhat worried about the alternate wincon thing I did if I switched worlds, so probably most of all I'd rather stay here. Generally I have no idea what my role would be in the other world if it's not the same as it is here | ||
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On December 20 2012 20:19 syllogism wrote: The planar dragon had a standard town win con in the other world, so perhaps the same applies to you and swapping you there would be in town's best interests ah. well, i have nothing that indicates that's the case with me, but if town needs to then whatever. | ||
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how do you explain Mementoss saying Risen/Darkfire were scum from your world and totally ignoring Blazing? | ||
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Turns out ##rename was benign and silly. | ||
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poo. ##Shuffle yamato77 | ||
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anyway Mementoss is still scum. | ||
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And if I really wanted to sabotage town's winning chances, I wouldn't fucking announce that I thought town was winning too fast. Engage brain please. | ||
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Sorry to the hosts and the players. ##Mass Teleportation | ||
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