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On December 14 2012 08:18 marvellosity wrote:
you never said you were sure on any of them. You checked Palmar because you said he would be useful later if he were town.
OF COURSE I wasn't sure about them.
Yes, I say: That is so far and away preferable to using the objection to check a group of people that I'm NOT sure on
but I also say:The role is best used to get a group of people I have townreads on, and carve them away from the rest. I'm not actually implying that i was SURE they were town, but they were my townreads.
If you read my stuff on Palmar:On December 14 2012 00:03 austinmcc wrote:Palmar reads oddly invested to me at parts of this day, although hopefully that's a good thing. Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 01:26 Palmar wrote:On December 13 2012 01:04 Crossfire99 wrote:
Marv and Palmar, do you really think Foolish is scum because of his vote on marv? Idk anything about foolish except that he is on the balance team, which I assume means he must be pretty good. Even if he did this bad vote as scum previously, do you think he would do it again? Personally, I don't feel comfortable voting for him just based on that. I think Foolishness is a really good player. While I am completely aware that marv hasn't exactly been a shining beacon of green, he's not done anything I can see that warrants Foolishness calling him scum at that point. So, Foolishness is trolling, scum, or seeing something I don't see. I'm waiting for him to come back and actually give me a legitimate reason to consider his early call that marv is scum. If he doesn't have a solid reason for it, I'm inclined to think he's scum, as I don't often see Foolishness troll, although he's notoriously lazy on day one. Palmar could respond that Foolishness is mafia, shuddup and sheep the vote. Could give some crappy reason. Instead, he actually types out a full response as to what he thinks Foolishness might be doing, and why Foolishness might be scum given what he's doing. I'm not used to seeing complete thoughts like this from Palmar to random questions. Palmar also heavily telegraphed how Foolishness's response would shape his read, whether honest or not, which feels a bit strange though. If Palmar's read is truly going to be influenced by Foolishness's response, then he wouldn't go telling Foolishness how to respond. I dunno, when I first read this post I liked it a lot, found it very townie, but the more I think about it the more it feels a bit out of character - fully formed response to a question, giving out a thought process that's invalid once you put it into thread.
On December 14 2012 05:10 austinmcc wrote:
I wanted to check Palmar because he felt kind of townie, and it's both useful to EVERYONE if we know he's pro-town and trust his stuff, and also now he can be a dick or whatever he wants to do and we'll at least know he's not anti-town while doing so.
slOosh was a strong town read for me, but he was also a bit slow out of the gate, reminding me somewhat of Liquid City. I generally find his posts easy to read and well thought out, and added him specifically to help myself. I want to be able to read and trust what he says, and I figured he would pop up town.
Crossfire99 made some townie comments about past games of his, and those struck me as town. I wanted to throw in one player who was less well known/less active, because if I could hit a townie person in that group it means that we hopefully don't mislynch them ever and it means one less ? towards the end of the game.
Went with 3 players because the more I add, the harder it is to draw any kind of conclusion from the check (1 anti-town, 2, more?). The double-swap also threw a wrench into the works, because it's POSSIBLE that all anti-town elements on this side of things got swapped to the other side. If that happened, nothing I can do about it right now. 3 felt like a number that I could have correct reads on, and takes enough people off the table (and specifically some people that I want to hear from off the table) that I think we can work together and get a solid lynch today.
I say he feels townie to me, and I give one reason, which is that he actually responded to Crossfire about what was going on. It felt ODD for Palmar, but in a good way. Then I ALSO think that it's a useful check to have if the read is right, because we can trust him and he can be a dick but will be a townie when he does so.
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On December 14 2012 08:24 marvellosity wrote:
it's not wishy washy, it's just downright nonsensical
Foolishness being unable to explain his scumminess DOES NOT MAKE HIM LESS LIKELY TO BE SCUM
If there's an easy answer to give that says "I had a townie reason for doing this" and someone DOESN'T TAKE IT, that's townie to me.
Not gigantically so, I say I'm "less certain of Foolishness's scumminess than this thread" and "I wasn't left being sure about his scumminess." THAT is wishy washy as hell. Those aren't reads at all.
But I completely agree with me that when there's low-hanging "Hey gaiz, I had a townie reason for doing x" fruit and you don't pick it, it makes you less likely to be scum. Scum can just pick the fruit and be done with it.
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On December 14 2012 07:55 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 07:49 austinmcc wrote:
Voting kenpachi, then headed home quick.
##Vote (GreY): kenpachi
marv's return is funky to me, but in my head scum would prefer not to flip me and have 3 people confirmed not-anti-town, which should be putting me as reading him townie. in general, I think that he should be reading me as town if he were town, but I'm not certain of that one. Oh well.
dienosore's vote is...what it is. i see so many random votes on me every game that i get so used to it and i forget what to say. A) You're terrible B) lols C) wanna die? D) All of the above E) explain your vote pls
You and dienosore are our legitimate options.
dienosore is...odd. And the fact that he just jumped in with a vote on me was so odd that it made me feel townie momentarily, so you got my vote!
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On December 14 2012 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
austin your play is eternally illogical
This is the first time where I actually entirely don't care. Paranoia gets close, but this is way better cuz I haven't mislynched WBG by being an idiot AND I've confirmed 3 people.
Even if you mislynch me, I think I did fine using mah powers, AND I got them out of the way so I could play this game like a friggin' normal person (until I get swapped twice and become retarded again).
Here's what I'd ask:
(1) Do you agree or disagree with my reasoning on wanting to check a small group of townreads being better than checking a group of players that I'm less certain on?
(2) Do you agree with my worries that, if the other side got swapped 1-2 scum, things are Bad and we should Do Something About That.
(3) If you want sandroba's thoughts, you can at least find them somewhat, in that I went from being a scumread of his to a townread, or went from whatever I was to him not wanting to lynch me. I'll make this a question?
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Keirathi,
In response to dieno, not here. That vote was just so weird that it threw me, and I wanted to make sure that I had something down before leaving the office.
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On December 14 2012 07:59 randombum wrote:
Since there's no clear scum target and not enough time to find one in the next hour. I think I'm going to have to join the Austin train simply because 3 confirmed townies is super powerful if he turns town, and if he turns scum then that's even better. Someone may have pointed this out before randombum, I'm not sure.
But this is a Good Thought. He is townier in my book now. People who mention this later get no points, because everyone should have been thinking this.
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On December 14 2012 07:55 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 07:49 austinmcc wrote:
Voting kenpachi, then headed home quick.
##Vote (GreY): kenpachi
marv's return is funky to me, but in my head scum would prefer not to flip me and have 3 people confirmed not-anti-town, which should be putting me as reading him townie. in general, I think that he should be reading me as town if he were town, but I'm not certain of that one. Oh well.
dienosore's vote is...what it is. i see so many random votes on me every game that i get so used to it and i forget what to say. A) You're terrible B) lols C) wanna die? D) All of the above E) explain your vote pls
Kenpachi,
You're stranded on a desert island. A school of dolphins swims near you, made up of the players in this game (except they're dolphins). In your delirious state, you're pretty sure you can climb on one and it will carry you to a boat or civilization or somewhere better than a desert island. But you know you're only strong enough to grab hold of a single dolphin.
Which dolphin is the oldest and sickest, the one you don't want to grab on to because it's probably gonna die halfway to rescue? Which dolphin do you grab? Which dolphin appears to be talking to you, even though you know that's crazy talk, dolphins can't talk?
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On December 14 2012 08:39 marvellosity wrote:
austin, do you really find Dino's blatant sheep townie?
I find it blatant WTF.
I'm looking him over now, but it was just so odd that I wanted to roll him around in my head more, not vote him right there. I'm stuck assuming that scum would PREFER not to have to kill me, because then three people get confirmed, so I'm not sure why, if he were scum, he'd be trying to kill me.
But...nothing he does has made too much sense, so I don't think I can apply that line of thought?
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Keirathi (and ghost of BH)
I agree that dino is doing nothing but sheeping hardcore. He's been very explicit about his lack of scum reads, there's no way he's doing anything but sheeping.
It's just so WEIRD. The progression of his posts, constant reminders that he has no scumreads, that he hopes someone comes up with a good case, that he's going after "the scummiest looking lurkers" when he has no scumreads to go after, that he's asking me if I'm trying to get him to change my vote (which implies that less than an hour before he votes me, he would have changed his vote to randombum, who I think only I was looking at?)
It's just...you guys are going to say this is stupid/scummy, but it's like too much. It's beyond just sheeping. It's actively not caring/sheeping/trying to curry favor. It almost reads like it could be 3P? Some dude just sitting around, doing whatever, doodle-y doo
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On December 14 2012 08:44 slOosh wrote:
austin you have to vote in voting thread.
Yeah, I realized I didn't. Is everyone on Kenpachi just because they're not sure on dienosore?
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On December 14 2012 08:51 slOosh wrote:
I don't think anyone is sure on anyone.
I would prefer dienosore to kenpachi.
Kenpachi is default, more or less policy, dienosore is friggin' weird, but I would agree with Keirathi that he's not been friggin' weird in a townie way.
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(He said after voting Kenpachi cuz that's what the cool kids did and he needed to vote)
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Hassy,
no, not a fool. I don't think he's trying to get lynched or anything, I just can't make sense of it from any alignment.
Who keeps saying they have no scumreads AND that they're going to vote the scummiest lurker?
Who keeps asking others for cases and for their opinions when they give out almost none?
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Hassy,
No. I don't actually think that, but it's a ... thing. That's just one of the most glaring bits of Dienosore's filter, is that he's constantly talking about wanting others to do the work.
Actually, it IS kind of an interesting theory. He jumps onto me right after marv. He's asking where I'm putting my vote. He's asking if I'm happy with where his vote is. I don't see why he couldn't push his own reads though and wait for others to vote, he could totes be a Test Subject: Ssheep.
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Follow-up to Hassy,
drazerk was like...limited in voting only, right? It's not that he couldn't make cases on anyone or call anyone scummy without someone else doing so first?
If dienosore actually has some sort of awful role like that, then it feels like his is full-on don't-find-scummy-until-someone-else-does. Which seems particularly restrictive and unfun, but would explain his conduct to a point.
The real question is whether his conduct is better explained by him being scummy or super odd.
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On December 14 2012 09:01 slOosh wrote:
What are you guys talking about? Wasn't HRE a Caller game?
HRE was Caller, but the OP notes that there might be new roles, "alterations of new roles."
I also fakeclaimed in Aperture 2 that my role made it so I could never be the first vote on a person. That was Grey's game, although it'd be a weird thing to take and turn into a role.
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Darkfire,
Would you like to explain your statement? What in particular was bad play? Who would you have lynched?
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dark,
The fact that you popped on shortly after lynch to chastise us was just...odd. You gave no input prelynch, and then returned to judge our play and lynch. Being frustrated with a mislynch is fine, but it's the swing from no input to commenting harshly that interested me.
There's not a tremendous amount of reason I voted kenpachi, I assume the case is the same for many others. Don't want to lynch clarity, whatever he may be. I know that 4 of the people on this side are town between myself and my objection. There's the chance we sent you two scum, but I'd still prefer lynching to mislynching. Don't want to lynch marv D1. Everyone else <3s them some randombum. So it's dieno and Kenpachi. II think for the most part we lynched Kenpachi for policy or pseudo-policy reasons, he's not usually someone you have a scumread on, he's just around late when someone has to be scum and nobody knows what he is. Between dealing with that now and later, I know personally I prefer now. And dieno is...something. I don't find him full-on scummy, I just find whatever he's doing really odd. We'll deal with that over the next 96 hours. There's a better chance that if we don't lynch him today, we can read him before next lynch. With kenpachi, we're not reading him this lynch or any other (as far as I know).
It'd be helpful if you got some more thoughts into the thread. From what I remember of Aperture, rift destabilization was something that a third party was seeking (I think 3P? may have been scum though). Grey certainly changed up some roles and some alignments, and he does love giant warnings that don't actually do anything, but there's not really much in the thread from you to read you off of, besides an ability that we can't be sure about.
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On December 14 2012 23:08 marvellosity wrote:
*whistles*
##Interdimensional Rift
*coughs*
You might want to get that cough checked.
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On December 15 2012 00:27 marvellosity wrote:it'll be fine, trust me.
At the very least, is this something that swaps people or no?
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