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On December 28 2012 02:06 Orangeremi wrote:
Well we've just fucked ourselves by not finding any scum thus far and at this point we don't have many options. We cannot afford another townie loss. We need to be certain or very close to certain that our next vote is mafia.
How do you feel about the other three? Do you think they are scum or not?
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On December 28 2012 02:27 Orangeremi wrote:
FC seems to be benefiting from not being pressure most. He has really not contributed much on the voting front, just hopping on the Omni bandwagon and also voting threesr D1. Scummy?
I feel like everyone kind of hopped on the Omni bandwagon, not just FC. Voting Threesr Day 1 is not a scummy move in my eyes, it was choosing between me(when there wasn't much conclusive evidence I was scum), Spag (who flipped town), and Threesr. I feel like Threesr was the best vote there, and voting for him was not a scummy move (I voted for Threesr as well).
However, that does not mean that he is 100% town, his scumhunting has been really bad, and has not responded to any suspicions placed on him. While I feel like he should be lynched, I still think Kick is a safer option today.
Good job getting into the discussion, now keep it up and it might change the way we think about you.
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On December 28 2012 07:10 Aquanim wrote:
If scumteam is Kick/Orange/FC, say, they don't really have a choice - one of them's going down today.
But if the scum team is so, why would they be trying to bus each other?
Orange is voting for FC, and FC is voting for kick. It wouldn't make sense for them to all bus each other at the same time. They would be trying to bus one single person.
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Another point we should think about.
Was kick bussing Shz, or was he trying to get himself not lynched?
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Kick is about to be lynched. The last time I looked at the computer was 30 minutes before the lynch. Kick had not posted anything for the whole Day period.
All of a sudden, Chromatically decided to vote for Shz and started the bandwagon to lynch him.
Kick did either one of two things:
1. Realized that there was a window of opportunity to get Shz lynched, and if he flipped scum, all of the pressure would be off him because he voted off scum.
2. Realized that he might not get lynched and decided to actually try. Was not trying to bus, just trying to stay alive.
If #1 is the case, Shz is scum.
If #2 is the case, Shz is town.
I'm curious though, could this be a plan between kick and Chrom to have Chrom make a convincing argument on Shz and try to get the town to sheep and vote for Shz? I really doubt it, but it's still a possibility. Chrom has already gotten a townie lynched off, but OE did really appear to be scum (I voted for him), so I would not look too much into it.
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Good point. How do you feel about the last bit with Chrom and Kick?
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Perhaps not. Chrom has been on Shz's case all of D3. It just seems really confusing why he would suddenly switch off of scum Kick to Shz. Especially 30 minutes before the deadline.
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On December 28 2012 14:46 shz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 09:16 cakepie wrote:On December 28 2012 09:10 Aquanim wrote:On December 28 2012 09:08 cakepie wrote:On December 28 2012 08:59 Aquanim wrote:
AAAAND my other scumread jumps in
GUYS THIS IS TOO OBVIOUS Reminder: maybe not *that* obvious. I was panicking and posting the first thing that came to mind to stop anyone else switching to Shz  I was ready to vote Kick at XX:59, but with the tie vote rule, I decided to just sit here and sip my coffee instead. Could you please explain why? What was your reasoning behind voting Kick at 59 when you could have done it earlier?
Because kick would have gotten lynched anyways. Cake's vote would not have mattered. What he's basically saying is that he wanted kick to be lynched.
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On December 28 2012 14:55 shz wrote:
But why wait until :59?
Because he voted to lynch FC. He was on the fence of the whole Shz/Kick lynching trains.
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On December 28 2012 15:57 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 14:58 cDgCorazon wrote:On December 28 2012 14:55 shz wrote:
But why wait until :59? Because he voted to lynch FC. He was on the fence of the whole Shz/Kick lynching trains. Not quite. Wait for my explanatory post.
Well that's what his vote meant. He probably has a good explanation for it.
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I've been looking or the events and posts surrounding Shz's almost-lynching, and I've come up with a few things I'd like to share.
I think it's ok to vote for Shz. His play has still been sub-par this game, and I'm not saying that anyone is scum or not just because of how they voted.
Cake (Voted for FC)- He already stated his reasoning, and I think that his points have merit. We shouldn’t look too much into Cake’s decision to vote FC.
Chrom- While he was not the first one to vote for Shz, he started the whole bandwagon with:
[Spoiler]On December 28 2012 08:18 Chromatically wrote:
In fact, you can ignore the thing I posted. There's no reason for a townie to not care at all about the d2 lynch. No pushing, no voting, nothing at all. Not town behavior.
Voteswitch time, everyone. [Spoiler]
His reasons for Shz are solid, and I feel the same way. When he says that Shz did not vote on D2, he really meant it. His D2 vote for Chrom was really just a useless vote, and could have been used somewhere else. The OMGUS vote, along with the lurking and lack of contribution, shows that Chrom's vote for Shz was justified and reasonable. Unfortunately, I have to give Chrom the title of shepherd, because what came next became a clusterf**k of sheeping.
Kick-Obviously, this is one of the more puzzling votes, but figuring out his motives could help us greatly in the scumhunt ahead. The most curious thing about his vote was the timing. His vote for Shz was 10 minutes before the deadline.
-Why would he time it that late if he wanted to make a move to save himself?
-Wouldn’t a better way to save himself be to defend himself a few hours before?
-Had Kick given up, and was just exploiting a possible way to escape lynching, or was he trying to create some last minute chaos to rock everyone right before the votes were final?
On December 28 2012 12:30 cakepie wrote:
3: Kick's play is a calculated chaos play betting on the sheeping tendencies we have already seen the past two days. It enables massive WIFOM bombs, while perhaps part of the scumteam stays on the Kick wagon to keep distance and gain town cred, while townies make a fool of themselves.
This is a very likely possibility, if Kick acted alone, it was more likely because of this cause. More on how we should find out at the end of the post. For now, let’s move on to the other two.
Orange:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 08:55 Orangeremi wrote:
Since that train seems to be going somewhere and scum seems fine with us voting Kick.
##Vote: shz
Chrom, if shz turns town I'm looking at you. Hopping off of FC wagon when it seemed to gain momentum was something I was looking for.
This is sheep #1. His whole post says, “I’m a sheep, I’m voting for Shz. The shepherd is supposed to be in charge of me, so if things go wrong with this vote, I can just dump the blame on him”. That is basically how his vote played out. This is textbook scum play. What is one way scum stays out of the spotlight? Joining the bandwagon of someone who has a strong town read from many other players in the game. This does one of two things:
Gets rid of someone that scum knows is town, which puts the town in an even worse position.
Giving Orange a way out if the vote goes wrong. If Shz flipped town, Orange can just point the finger at Chrom and stay in the shadows while another townie gets lynched.
He even admits that is what he wants to do:
Chrom, if shz turns town I'm looking at you. Hopping off of FC wagon when it seemed to gain momentum was something I was looking for.
Sheeping and not scumhunting are two tell-tale signs of scum. He doesn’t even try to defend himself when I directly call him out, he just ignores it and posts. We need to pressure him. He’s gotten away with this behavior so far because everyone else’s behavior was just so bad.
FatChunk
His original vote post: + Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 08:58 FatChunk wrote:
okay well I think that either of the two people are scum: sHz and kickstart, and to be honest the last post of shz on the 27th was really scummy to me. I hope we're right.
##unvote
##Vote: sHz
His post explaining his vote:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 10:52 FatChunk wrote:
Okay so here is/was my thought process.
Chrom made some interesting observations about sHz, enough to cause me to make my read slightly stronger about sHz than Kick. After all, kick was a lurker more than anything, and scum lynch > lurker lynch. I was pretty confident in following someone with town rep like chrom, especially someone who is willing to risk his town rep on a scum read.
but at this point I think that sHz is cleared, right? if shz was scum, Kickstart, a player with some experience, would not accuse sHz of scum that early in the game: it is just bad play. Unless kick was making bad cases to be shot down and appear to be scumhunting. Distancing himself from fellow scum? I don't know.
Orangeremi, kickstart's scum partner, chooses to try and swing the vote toward sHz as a last minute attempt. His explanation is that he didn't think kickstart was scum, and that he voted me to judge my reaction.
The part that interested me most was the line:
I was pretty confident in following someone with a town rep like chrom, especially someone who is willing to risk his town rep on a scum read.
Which contrasts with this post (this isn’t the whole post, but I made sure not to take him out of context):
+ Show Spoiler +On December 21 2012 04:03 FatChunk wrote:
chromatically - I have noticed that he pressures too hard to the point of almost lying and skewing my words and overanalyzing small reactions in order to further his agenda. Faint vibe that I think should be looked into. Also, he seems like an experienced player which is scary if hes mafia.
And this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 24 2012 03:03 FatChunk wrote:
Regarding his[OE's] FoS on me:
All I ever said was that I had a suspicion of chrom, something that needed to be examined after a lynch of omni, who is the most suspicious right now in my eyes. I also simply mentioned that Mocsta's case should be considered as we move forward.
Well, isn’t that a complete 180 from D1 and D2? What gave you such a change of heart? Maybe it was the mislynch of Omni. FC could have figured out that if he says that he believes that Chrom is town, it could be to just keep Chrom around to be the shepherd to get all the townies to lynch themselves (which happened on D2, and possibly almost happened on D3). He could also reading Chrom as town because if the town decide to lynch Chrom off (in the case that Shz got lynched and flipped town), he can defend Chrom and therefore get some town cred if Chrom flips town. While it is not as open as Orange, FC’s sheeping needs to be looked into. He also needs to explain his change of heart on Chrom, and start naming off some suspects if he wants to prove he is not scum.
So the question is: Where do we go from here?
It seems like the next lynch could shape up to be a lynch for information. In normal circumstances, it is a bad thing, but with all the chaos that finished up Day 3, lynching for answers could be the way to root out the last 2 scum. Now that we have some more breathing room, and LYLO is again just a bad dream for now, a lynch for information here might be very beneficial to the town.
Do we lynch Shz, and figure out if his almost-lynch today was a bunch of sheeps, or a mafia clusterf**k?
Do we lynch someone who jumped on the bandwagon, and figure out from there if the bandwagon on Shz was an attempt to bus, or a case with some merit, which would put Shz back under suspicion?
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So close with the BBcode, dammit.
Anyways, this case has taken way too long to write, and I need to go to bed.
I'll be looking forward to more developments in the morning.
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I'm here. Anything you'd like to discuss? Let's not get too deep right now because night action deadline is in 25 minutes I believe.
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[Spoiler]On December 28 2012 18:26 cDgCorazon wrote:I've been looking or the events and posts surrounding Shz's almost-lynching, and I've come up with a few things I'd like to share. I think it's ok to vote for Shz. His play has still been sub-par this game, and I'm not saying that anyone is scum or not just because of how they voted. Cake (Voted for FC)- He already stated his reasoning, and I think that his points have merit. We shouldn’t look too much into Cake’s decision to vote FC. Chrom- While he was not the first one to vote for Shz, he started the whole bandwagon with: [Spoiler] Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 08:18 Chromatically wrote:
In fact, you can ignore the thing I posted. There's no reason for a townie to not care at all about the d2 lynch. No pushing, no voting, nothing at all. Not town behavior.
Voteswitch time, everyone. + Show Spoiler +His reasons for Shz are solid, and I feel the same way. When he says that Shz did not vote on D2, he really meant it. His D2 vote for Chrom was really just a useless vote, and could have been used somewhere else. The OMGUS vote, along with the lurking and lack of contribution, shows that Chrom's vote for Shz was justified and reasonable. Unfortunately, I have to give Chrom the title of shepherd, because what came next became a clusterf**k of sheeping. Kick-Obviously, this is one of the more puzzling votes, but figuring out his motives could help us greatly in the scumhunt ahead. The most curious thing about his vote was the timing. His vote for Shz was 10 minutes before the deadline. -Why would he time it that late if he wanted to make a move to save himself? -Wouldn’t a better way to save himself be to defend himself a few hours before? -Had Kick given up, and was just exploiting a possible way to escape lynching, or was he trying to create some last minute chaos to rock everyone right before the votes were final? On December 28 2012 12:30 cakepie wrote:
3: Kick's play is a calculated chaos play betting on the sheeping tendencies we have already seen the past two days. It enables massive WIFOM bombs, while perhaps part of the scumteam stays on the Kick wagon to keep distance and gain town cred, while townies make a fool of themselves.
This is a very likely possibility, if Kick acted alone, it was more likely because of this cause. More on how we should find out at the end of the post. For now, let’s move on to the other two. Orange:+ Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 08:55 Orangeremi wrote:
Since that train seems to be going somewhere and scum seems fine with us voting Kick.
##Vote: shz
Chrom, if shz turns town I'm looking at you. Hopping off of FC wagon when it seemed to gain momentum was something I was looking for. This is sheep #1. His whole post says, “I’m a sheep, I’m voting for Shz. The shepherd is supposed to be in charge of me, so if things go wrong with this vote, I can just dump the blame on him”. That is basically how his vote played out. This is textbook scum play. What is one way scum stays out of the spotlight? Joining the bandwagon of someone who has a strong town read from many other players in the game. This does one of two things: Gets rid of someone that scum knows is town, which puts the town in an even worse position. Giving Orange a way out if the vote goes wrong. If Shz flipped town, Orange can just point the finger at Chrom and stay in the shadows while another townie gets lynched. He even admits that is what he wants to do: Chrom, if shz turns town I'm looking at you. Hopping off of FC wagon when it seemed to gain momentum was something I was looking for.
Sheeping and not scumhunting are two tell-tale signs of scum. He doesn’t even try to defend himself when I directly call him out, he just ignores it and posts. We need to pressure him. He’s gotten away with this behavior so far because everyone else’s behavior was just so bad. FatChunkHis original vote post: + Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 08:58 FatChunk wrote:
okay well I think that either of the two people are scum: sHz and kickstart, and to be honest the last post of shz on the 27th was really scummy to me. I hope we're right.
##unvote
##Vote: sHz His post explaining his vote: + Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 10:52 FatChunk wrote:
Okay so here is/was my thought process.
Chrom made some interesting observations about sHz, enough to cause me to make my read slightly stronger about sHz than Kick. After all, kick was a lurker more than anything, and scum lynch > lurker lynch. I was pretty confident in following someone with town rep like chrom, especially someone who is willing to risk his town rep on a scum read.
but at this point I think that sHz is cleared, right? if shz was scum, Kickstart, a player with some experience, would not accuse sHz of scum that early in the game: it is just bad play. Unless kick was making bad cases to be shot down and appear to be scumhunting. Distancing himself from fellow scum? I don't know.
Orangeremi, kickstart's scum partner, chooses to try and swing the vote toward sHz as a last minute attempt. His explanation is that he didn't think kickstart was scum, and that he voted me to judge my reaction. The part that interested me most was the line: I was pretty confident in following someone with a town rep like chrom, especially someone who is willing to risk his town rep on a scum read. Which contrasts with this post (this isn’t the whole post, but I made sure not to take him out of context): + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2012 04:03 FatChunk wrote:
chromatically - I have noticed that he pressures too hard to the point of almost lying and skewing my words and overanalyzing small reactions in order to further his agenda. Faint vibe that I think should be looked into. Also, he seems like an experienced player which is scary if hes mafia.
And this post: + Show Spoiler +On December 24 2012 03:03 FatChunk wrote:
Regarding his[OE's] FoS on me:
All I ever said was that I had a suspicion of chrom, something that needed to be examined after a lynch of omni, who is the most suspicious right now in my eyes. I also simply mentioned that Mocsta's case should be considered as we move forward.
Well, isn’t that a complete 180 from D1 and D2? What gave you such a change of heart? Maybe it was the mislynch of Omni. FC could have figured out that if he says that he believes that Chrom is town, it could be to just keep Chrom around to be the shepherd to get all the townies to lynch themselves (which happened on D2, and possibly almost happened on D3). He could also reading Chrom as town because if the town decide to lynch Chrom off (in the case that Shz got lynched and flipped town), he can defend Chrom and therefore get some town cred if Chrom flips town. While it is not as open as Orange, FC’s sheeping needs to be looked into. He also needs to explain his change of heart on Chrom, and start naming off some suspects if he wants to prove he is not scum. So the question is: Where do we go from here?It seems like the next lynch could shape up to be a lynch for information. In normal circumstances, it is a bad thing, but with all the chaos that finished up Day 3, lynching for answers could be the way to root out the last 2 scum. Now that we have some more breathing room, and LYLO is again just a bad dream for now, a lynch for information here might be very beneficial to the town. Do we lynch Shz, and figure out if his almost-lynch today was a bunch of sheeps, or a mafia clusterf**k? Do we lynch someone who jumped on the bandwagon, and figure out from there if the bandwagon on Shz was an attempt to bus, or a case with some merit, which would put Shz back under suspicion?
Did anyone read this?
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 18:26 cDgCorazon wrote:I've been looking or the events and posts surrounding Shz's almost-lynching, and I've come up with a few things I'd like to share. I think it's ok to vote for Shz. His play has still been sub-par this game, and I'm not saying that anyone is scum or not just because of how they voted. Cake (Voted for FC)- He already stated his reasoning, and I think that his points have merit. We shouldn’t look too much into Cake’s decision to vote FC. Chrom- While he was not the first one to vote for Shz, he started the whole bandwagon with: + Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 08:18 Chromatically wrote:
In fact, you can ignore the thing I posted. There's no reason for a townie to not care at all about the d2 lynch. No pushing, no voting, nothing at all. Not town behavior.
Voteswitch time, everyone. His reasons for Shz are solid, and I feel the same way. When he says that Shz did not vote on D2, he really meant it. His D2 vote for Chrom was really just a useless vote, and could have been used somewhere else. The OMGUS vote, along with the lurking and lack of contribution, shows that Chrom's vote for Shz was justified and reasonable. Unfortunately, I have to give Chrom the title of shepherd, because what came next became a clusterf**k of sheeping. Kick-Obviously, this is one of the more puzzling votes, but figuring out his motives could help us greatly in the scumhunt ahead. The most curious thing about his vote was the timing. His vote for Shz was 10 minutes before the deadline. -Why would he time it that late if he wanted to make a move to save himself? -Wouldn’t a better way to save himself be to defend himself a few hours before? -Had Kick given up, and was just exploiting a possible way to escape lynching, or was he trying to create some last minute chaos to rock everyone right before the votes were final? Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 12:30 cakepie wrote:
3: Kick's play is a calculated chaos play betting on the sheeping tendencies we have already seen the past two days. It enables massive WIFOM bombs, while perhaps part of the scumteam stays on the Kick wagon to keep distance and gain town cred, while townies make a fool of themselves.
This is a very likely possibility, if Kick acted alone, it was more likely because of this cause. More on how we should find out at the end of the post. For now, let’s move on to the other two. Orange:+ Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 08:55 Orangeremi wrote:
Since that train seems to be going somewhere and scum seems fine with us voting Kick.
##Vote: shz
Chrom, if shz turns town I'm looking at you. Hopping off of FC wagon when it seemed to gain momentum was something I was looking for. This is sheep #1. His whole post says, “I’m a sheep, I’m voting for Shz. The shepherd is supposed to be in charge of me, so if things go wrong with this vote, I can just dump the blame on him”. That is basically how his vote played out. This is textbook scum play. What is one way scum stays out of the spotlight? Joining the bandwagon of someone who has a strong town read from many other players in the game. This does one of two things: Gets rid of someone that scum knows is town, which puts the town in an even worse position. Giving Orange a way out if the vote goes wrong. If Shz flipped town, Orange can just point the finger at Chrom and stay in the shadows while another townie gets lynched. He even admits that is what he wants to do: Show nested quote + Chrom, if shz turns town I'm looking at you. Hopping off of FC wagon when it seemed to gain momentum was something I was looking for.
Sheeping and not scumhunting are two tell-tale signs of scum. He doesn’t even try to defend himself when I directly call him out, he just ignores it and posts. We need to pressure him. He’s gotten away with this behavior so far because everyone else’s behavior was just so bad. FatChunkHis original vote post: + Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 08:58 FatChunk wrote:
okay well I think that either of the two people are scum: sHz and kickstart, and to be honest the last post of shz on the 27th was really scummy to me. I hope we're right.
##unvote
##Vote: sHz His post explaining his vote: + Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 10:52 FatChunk wrote:
Okay so here is/was my thought process.
Chrom made some interesting observations about sHz, enough to cause me to make my read slightly stronger about sHz than Kick. After all, kick was a lurker more than anything, and scum lynch > lurker lynch. I was pretty confident in following someone with town rep like chrom, especially someone who is willing to risk his town rep on a scum read.
but at this point I think that sHz is cleared, right? if shz was scum, Kickstart, a player with some experience, would not accuse sHz of scum that early in the game: it is just bad play. Unless kick was making bad cases to be shot down and appear to be scumhunting. Distancing himself from fellow scum? I don't know.
Orangeremi, kickstart's scum partner, chooses to try and swing the vote toward sHz as a last minute attempt. His explanation is that he didn't think kickstart was scum, and that he voted me to judge my reaction. The part that interested me most was the line: Show nested quote +I was pretty confident in following someone with a town rep like chrom, especially someone who is willing to risk his town rep on a scum read. Which contrasts with this post (this isn’t the whole post, but I made sure not to take him out of context): + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2012 04:03 FatChunk wrote:
chromatically - I have noticed that he pressures too hard to the point of almost lying and skewing my words and overanalyzing small reactions in order to further his agenda. Faint vibe that I think should be looked into. Also, he seems like an experienced player which is scary if hes mafia.
And this post: + Show Spoiler +On December 24 2012 03:03 FatChunk wrote:
Regarding his[OE's] FoS on me:
All I ever said was that I had a suspicion of chrom, something that needed to be examined after a lynch of omni, who is the most suspicious right now in my eyes. I also simply mentioned that Mocsta's case should be considered as we move forward.
Well, isn’t that a complete 180 from D1 and D2? What gave you such a change of heart? Maybe it was the mislynch of Omni. FC could have figured out that if he says that he believes that Chrom is town, it could be to just keep Chrom around to be the shepherd to get all the townies to lynch themselves (which happened on D2, and possibly almost happened on D3). He could also reading Chrom as town because if the town decide to lynch Chrom off (in the case that Shz got lynched and flipped town), he can defend Chrom and therefore get some town cred if Chrom flips town. While it is not as open as Orange, FC’s sheeping needs to be looked into. He also needs to explain his change of heart on Chrom, and start naming off some suspects if he wants to prove he is not scum. So the question is: Where do we go from here?It seems like the next lynch could shape up to be a lynch for information. In normal circumstances, it is a bad thing, but with all the chaos that finished up Day 3, lynching for answers could be the way to root out the last 2 scum. Now that we have some more breathing room, and LYLO is again just a bad dream for now, a lynch for information here might be very beneficial to the town. Do we lynch Shz, and figure out if his almost-lynch today was a bunch of sheeps, or a mafia clusterf**k? Do we lynch someone who jumped on the bandwagon, and figure out from there if the bandwagon on Shz was an attempt to bus, or a case with some merit, which would put Shz back under suspicion?
EBWOP: Fixed BB code.
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On December 29 2012 08:33 cakepie wrote:
I'd like to hear your thoughts on "surely scum is not so stupid as to all switch together" and the possibility that one of orange or FC is still a hapless bad sheep.
By "hapless bad sheep", do you mean they are a bad town? Or scummy?
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GG Aqua.
On December 29 2012 08:44 Chromatically wrote:
I don't think that it would be a stupid move for scumteam to switch. If it had worked, with one more person switching, town would be in a very bad position. It would be 4-3, and the sheeping townie would be an easy mislynch to win the game. They went for it, it didn't work.
So you're basically saying that Orange and FC are both scum, and that you switching was not part of this scum move?
@Cake- I'll give a little bit about each person who stayed on kick.
Myself: I felt like Kick was the safest lynch, simple as that. His play had not been helpful to the town, and appeared scummy. Looks like I was right.
Aqua: I don't believe that Aqua is the scum staying on the wagon. His play and contribution has been very beneficial too the town. Too beneficial to be a scum.
Shz: Well, Shz was not going to vote for himself.
Syl: Since I haven't implicated anyone as scum yet, you would think that I would have to say that Syl as scum. However, after thinking about it, I think that all of the scum switched onto Shz as an attempt to save Kick from being lynched. While Syl was lurking for the most part of D1 and D2, his efforts on D3 have changed my opinion on him.
It could be possible that people were out while the Shz wagon started, because it all happened in the last 30 minutes before the deadline. However, that is my brief answer to your question.
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Yeah, I think this is the right way to go.
##Vote: Orangeremi
If you think I don't have a reason for this, you need to pay attention to the game.
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But also,
FoS: FatChunk
Just as a formality. Once again, if you don't think I have a reason for this, pay attention to the game.
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There's literally no way a scum would say that, right?
Aqua has been the farthest thing from scum the whole game.
In all honesty, that was sandwiched in between two huge posts. I didn't notice until cake pulled it out.
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