EPTWe're gonna have to get a scum lynched D3 if we want to have any chance of winning. There are so many candidates to choose from that go under the "semi-lurker" tag. I think each and everyone should come under fire on Day 3. We don't need any more unhelpful players who just serve to create chaos and blur the line between scum and bad town.
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Corazon
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We're gonna have to get a scum lynched D3 if we want to have any chance of winning. There are so many candidates to choose from that go under the "semi-lurker" tag. I think each and everyone should come under fire on Day 3. We don't need any more unhelpful players who just serve to create chaos and blur the line between scum and bad town. | ||
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Corazon
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He is either scum, or a useless townie. Neither is acceptable at this point at the game. I believe that while it is a big risk to vote anyone who has not basically been defined as "100% scum" because of our dire numbers situation, I feel like the probability of Kick being scum will make this risk pay off. ##Vote:Kickstart I also feel like everyone needs to contribute to the scum hunt. Everyone needs to be all-in at this point. Lurking is absolutely not acceptable at this point. I would additionally like for the contributions to be toward the scum hunt and giving us new information, not just summarizing things or giving ambiguous posts. For that reason: FOS: FatChunk FOS: Shz FOS: OrangeRemi | ||
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Corazon
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On December 26 2012 15:01 Sylencia wrote: Chrom: I don't think the nk was that unexpected, yamato already did a good job breaking down and analysing each member, and so either a) he was getting too close to the right answer or b) he wasn't close and the scum are using that to lead us off the right track. I'd like to think that it was option a for this, and if he was given more time the scum probably would've been revealed right off on his first day here. Not something they wanted, so they silenced him. If you feel that Yamato was on the right idea, are you going to honor his final wish and lynch kick? Do you feel like we need to go in another direction? Or do you feel like we should give kick a chance to defend himself? | ||
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Corazon
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On December 26 2012 15:42 cakepie wrote: cDgCorazon: You had a nice thing against OrangeRemi going, until he somehow convinced you that he had only "suspicions" but no reads to share. Care to pick up where you left off on that? The reason I stopped pursuing Orange was that OE decided that he did not want to live anymore, and made a silly arguments that really made me feel like his erratic behavior was scummy. My suspicions of Orange are still strong, I just felt like OE was the better lynch choice at the time. The truth is, Orange still has not responded directly to my accusations. However, he has posted a little but more, and is a little less lurky than before. I would like Orange's accusations to come out into the open. Holding them back is only hurting the town. However, his slight increase in activity has put Kick in the role of "most likely scum/most useless town" position. Since the momentum is so obviously against Kick right now, I feel like putting Orange's name in the hat right now would only serve to create chaos in the town, which is the perfect environment for scum to thrive and lead the town astray. I would like to see Orange become more active today, and give us his reads. I feel like he is more of a mystery than Kick right now. After seeing four townies go down, we cannot afford to take risks, and we need to go for the more likely scum lynch. My most suspicious people, in order, are as follows: -Kick -Orange -FatChunk (I feel like while he has given some reads, his activity level has been sub-par. However, less sub-par than the above two) -Shz (Activity level has increased quite a bit since the start of Day 2, but has not given very many clear opinions on other players. The list was somewhat helpful, but in reality only organized info and did not give out much new info.) | ||
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Corazon
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We need to go back to our roots and find the player who is most likely to be scum. The scum are afraid to put any direction to the town, meaning that their posts should not be very helpful, and their votes should really either not help the town, or hurt the town. While kick's activity D1 was okay, he has kind of not done anything since. He put in a weak vote for Shz to make it look like he did not agree with the OE lynch, meaning that he would have been in a better position for town brownie points. While it sounded like a good idea, 6 people voted for OE, and not all of them can be scum. He has given us no new leads, no new information, no points of view, no anything that would be remotely helpful to the town. He has been lurking in the shadows for most of the game. I feel like Kick's lynch is the safest because his lurking is the most black and white out of all of the candidates. Some have popped in and out, but kick has consistently been hiding since the end of D1. He is the safest lynch because the only thing we have to lose with lynching kick is numbers. He is of no value to the town, and does not look to have any value going forward. He is the safest lynch today, and the most likely to be scum. If he is not, then he is a bad town and slimming down the odds of who is scum is more valuable right now than anything he has contributed. | ||
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Corazon
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You guys have said it: kick's lack of activity is not a trademark of his town play. If he was only inactive for a couple of days around Christmas, that would be ok. However, he has basically been a non-factor in the scumhunt since D1. In my mind, it is Orange or Kick. I would be happy with lynching either of them today, and the other one next. They both have not stepped up enough to the scumhunt to be a part of this town. | ||
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Corazon
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On December 26 2012 14:45 cDgCorazon wrote: ##Vote:Kickstart I also feel like everyone needs to contribute to the scum hunt. Everyone needs to be all-in at this point. Lurking is absolutely not acceptable at this point. I would additionally like for the contributions to be toward the scum hunt and giving us new information, not just summarizing things or giving ambiguous posts. For that reason: FOS: FatChunk FOS: Shz FOS: OrangeRemi On December 26 2012 15:57 cDgCorazon wrote: My most suspicious people, in order, are as follows: -Kick -Orange -FatChunk (I feel like while he has given some reads, his activity level has been sub-par. However, less sub-par than the above two) -Shz (Activity level has increased quite a bit since the start of Day 2, but has not given very many clear opinions on other players. The list was somewhat helpful, but in reality only organized info and did not give out much new info.) I feel like FatChunk has contributed slightly more than the above two. While his contributions have not been the best or the most logical, he has given us his reads and his views on a few people. In my eyes, that makes him slightly more valuable to the town. Compared to the other two: Kick- Jumped on the Spag wagon (however, his reasoning was very solid on this one), and has basically disappeared ever since. Almost 0 contribution Orange- Given us nothing, except saying that he has "a few scum reads". Inactive until Day 2. Again, almost 0 contribution. I feel like one of these two should be lynched today, and the other one lynched tomorrow if they do not step up and contribute to the scumhunt. Then, I feel like we should take a closer look at FC and Shz. | ||
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Corazon
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On December 27 2012 04:30 Chromatically wrote: Okay, I do think that FC has contributed more than Orange. I don't think that Orange is playing like scum as much as FC is. Maybe because Orange is more of a mystery. FC has posted reads and opinions, and from those actions you get suspicious. Orange hasn't done everything. Could it be that you are less sure of Orange's scumminess because you do not have much to observe his actions off of? Orange could be sitting back in the shadows and confusing actions to town because he wants the chaotic environment to thrive, and that he is hoping to fly under the radar because there are others whose actions have already look scummy than his. Hard to read someone that doesn't give you any useful information to work with. | ||
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Corazon
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On December 27 2012 08:08 Aquanim wrote: So, Orange, who do you think we should be lynching today? Yes Orange, would you like to give us actual opinions for the first time in the game? | ||
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Corazon
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Not a bad plan. Better than what we've come up with so far. | ||
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On December 27 2012 14:30 shz wrote: Ome thing to note though, which seems very odd to me. If we misslynch today, we pretty much fucked, so it should be in scums interest to direct us towards a misslynch, to nearly lock that game down. But there seems to be no oposition towards lynching Kick. Could this mean that mafia is fine with that lynch? Which would mean we are wrong. I believe that in this situation, the only bad option would be a no-lynch (which is always bad). We have 3-4 players who are lurking or have given up altogether. You could have the same doubts about any of them. We need to lynch someone, and as I've said before, Kick is the safest option. | ||
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Corazon
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Alright, so when I first wrote the long post accusing Orange, I ended it with this: On December 22 2012 09:15 cDgCorazon wrote: I feel like OJR (which is what I’m calling he/she from now on, much easier to write) needs to step up his scum-hunting efforts in order to clear suspicion from myself. OJR has all the room to defend themselves, but until OJR picks it up, I am very suspicious of them. Well, Orange really has not done anything to contribute yet. I keep saying it, but Orange never even answered my accusations, much less stepped up his scum hunting. Get it together Orange. You can't stave off the "lurker" tag by posting once a day and saying you will come back and analyze things. I want reads, I want opinions, I want signs that you are not scum. Now. ##unvote ##Vote: OrangeRemi | ||
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Corazon
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On December 27 2012 17:00 Aquanim wrote: Hi guys, who is here? I am here for the next 10-20 minutes. I'm PST so it's about midnight here. What's on your mind? | ||
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Corazon
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There are three ways to avoid getting in the spotlight: Lurking (which both have done at points), Sheeping (which both have done), and being ambiguous (which both have done). When they have been contributing, it has only been when they have been called out by someone else. They seem very hesitant to show their hands to us. It is very suspicious, and I feel like it needs more investigation. The problem is right now that so many have been lurking and being this way. For reference, here is a post from Spag (and Spag's been dead for almost a week now): On December 21 2012 08:30 Spaghetticus wrote: Lurker/scum There are so many lurkedy perkers that I actually felt somewhat overwhelmed. I want these guys kicked in the arse. Their play is not acceptable, but they've been allowed to do it because of the epic bandwagonning. These people are at best useless town (worse than threesr or Corazon by far, as at least they contributed valuable discussion), and at worst free riding scum. The majority of your efforts should be focused on OmniEulogy and these guys. - Shz Has posted some points I liked, but the substance isn't there, and my liking your point is no standard by which to judge a post by (I liked the majority of mine). He's semi-active, but that needs to be full active. - Kickstart I am puzzled at this guy's inactivity. Apparently in other games he's been the life of the party? Going from mega contributor to nothing is a little too obvious for a scum tell, I expect real life circumstances are getting in the way? Either way, he needs to step up or step out. - Orangeremi Seems to be riding the town's momentum (not a good thing). His suspicion of FC is legitimate, but also an obvious call. Orangeremi you need to start making your own waves. - FatChunk Yet another lurker that has been able to get away with it... He is under a lot of suspicion from the general town, though no threat has actualised to date. I'd say OrangeRemi and FC are my next two biggest worries, as there is very little mitigation for their behaviour. They lurk because they can, which is bad town or moderate scum. - Sylencia Has given an excuse for little input, but is going to have to put in a LOT of effort to distinguish themselves if they want to not be lumped in with FC and ORem. Convenient that the 5 people Spag called out as scum on D1 are STILL being accused of lurking? It is a truly disturbing sight to behold. 100% there is scum in at least one of these lurkers. Our job moving forward is to figure out who is scum and who is not. | ||
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Corazon
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On December 27 2012 17:26 cDgCorazon wrote: Convenient that the 5 people Spag called out as scum on D1 are STILL being accused of lurking? EBWOP: Convenient that the 5 people Spag called out as lurkers on D1 are STILL being accused of lurking? | ||
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Corazon
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-Kick -Orange -FC -Shz We can sit here all day and wonder what their true motives are and how scummy they are, but in all honesty, they all seem scummy to certain levels. We have already seen that votes are not going to draw them out and defend themselves, so we just need to vote all of them off consecutively. We should reevaluate our options if we catch a scum, but putting these guys on the spot just is not going to do anything. I suggest we go with kick first, but if you guys want to go in a different direction, I would be all for lynching any of the 4. ##unvote ##Vote: Kickstart | ||
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Corazon
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On December 28 2012 01:59 Orangeremi wrote: I'm really curious if that's the best course of action, Corazon. You seem to just have a hit list that ultimately will lessen the size of town more than anything. Doesn't seem all too beneficial to me. The overwhelming vote count for Kick right now leads me to believe the scum are just hopping on his wagon. If he was actually scum, wouldn't the mafia would find another player to try and start a wagon for to save him. But that isn't happening. I think we need to reevaluate. In the meantime I'm going back to one of my initial reads. ##Vote: FatChunk OH SNAP, ORANGE ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING! As I've said, we're not getting information out of any of them. If you feel like none of them are scum or worth lynching, please let me know why. | ||
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