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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 21:05 GMT
#2067
mostly because im still writing it lol
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 21:10 GMT
#2071
PART 1 (more parts inc.)

I'm going to make this meta comparison easy for you guys:
here is a d1 megapost from town djo:

So this a djo case as town.
TOWM
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 04 2012 14:07 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 13:42 Djodref wrote:


Clarity



Have you guys noticed Clarity ?





I'm betting that you didn't really notice him because this guys is sure blending in

First of all, I would like to say that Clarity is non-committal with his reads. Please have a look at the different posts in the following spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On November 03 2012 18:43 Clarity_nl wrote:

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On November 03 2012 16:06 Obzy wrote:
@Cheese
>:l The no newb cards comment seems specifically aimed at me. Not really a fan. I'm not wholly sure why he dropped his argument against debears so quickly - pointing out previous meta, etc, and then it just absolutely falls off the face of the planet. Why? (I disagree with this statement, by the way:


I don't think it's directed at you specifically, but it's interesting that you think it is.
The reason Cheese said to not drop the newbie card is because it's not town behavior. When you are town you want people to believe you, if you come out of the gate saying you're awful and no one should listen to you then that's anti-town.
It also prevents scum from using "omg sorry I'm just new!", the less excuses scum have available the better for town.


My reads at this point in time:

Obzy: Leaning slightly town. He hasn't quite come out of his shell yet but he seems genuinly interested in discussion and progressing.

@ Obzy
Do you think you can get over this "I'm new" thing and give us the best reads you've got? Instead of posting something that's obvious to everyone perhaps post something that stands out to you.
_

Rad: Null. He's being more careful than last game, lurking a bit more. He mentioned he would be more careful, but not in pregame, he did this after the role PMs were sent. He also seems really invested in helping Obzy out as he's the newest, the only one here who wasn't in XXIX.

@ Rad
Why the interest in Obzy? Are you going to use MLG as an excuse at any point this weekend?
_

Alsn: Leaning slightly scum, very little info about him though. He opened super aggressive this game, which is the opposite of how he played in the majority of XXIX. Perhaps the only reason he snapped at debears so hard is because debears said
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On November 03 2012 10:04 debears wrote:
If I'm not here for lynch, its irl conflicts 99% of the time. Don't pull an Alsn


@ Alsn
Why the change in behavior from last game? What do you think of debears at this point?
_

Mr Cheesecake: Null. He went SUPER defensive when he was called out about making a ton of jokes, but that discussion got blown way out of proportion. The fact that he's acting more like the way he was in mafia QT XXIX than in the actual XXIX thread is indicative of town.

@ Cheese
You did have some jokes in the XXIX thread. Can you tell us if these were jokes for the sake of jokes or if you used them to push a scum agenda? An argument can be made for both.
_

Djodref: Leaning slightly scum, He was obsessed with policy. Everyone was ready to move on but he kept mentioning it over and over. He's also the person that blew up the whole *Cheese's scum joke* thing, which bogged us down for a couple of pages.

@ Djodref
If you had to lynch someone right now, would it be da0ud or someone else?
_

Debears: Null. Regardless of if he's scum or town, he is getting the ball rolling which is good for us. Problem is... that was what he was doing in XXIX as well and he was scum in that. Older games suggest this is simply his meta so there is no read to be made about his opening. What I'm curious about is if he's going to pull a vanishing act in D2 / D3 again.

@ Debears
What's your ready on Obzy?
_

Sylverfire: Null. Only have 3 real posts to read him on. He opened really aggressive onto debears, even though he's keeping the ball rolling, an odd choice. He showed up way late but Rad pointed out that he is sticking to the same schedule he's had in previous games.

@ Sylverfire
You've only shared your read on debears, is there anything else that stands out to you?
_


So with all that said, I only have two slight scumreads on Alsn and Djo, so I hope they defend themselves as soon as possible.
Even if we end up lynching da0ud for lurking, currently with 0 posts, we can at least gather as much information as possible
Hopefully this gets some discussion going, please comment on as much as possible in my post and point out any flaws.
Do no avoid answering the questions I addressed to you, it would be a very scummy thing to do.


This post is full of null reads or slight reads, it speaks for itself.

On November 03 2012 21:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
My two weak scumreads are still you and Alsn, but that's what they are... weak.
My post is simply to gather as much info as possible. I will end up making a case before the day is over, but I figured giving this thread a good kick would help.

Weak scumreads on Alsn on me

On November 04 2012 04:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
<snip>

I am no longer suspect of Alsn, at least not as much. Although he seems to have a hard on for debears and djo he's making decent points and trying to further conversation. Debears... I'm not quite sure. The stubbornness about sylver's post where he said he has a lot of fluff really shouldn't have been that big of a deal, he just couldn't let it go. Maybe Rad is on to something.

Drops Alsn and is wishy washy about debears


Then Clarity is also using double-standards, he has being reproaching Rad not to scumhunt but have you seen Clarity scumhunting ? You might argue that he has put pressure on daoud but he has conveniently done it while it was Saturday night in Hong Kong. And given daoud lurky habits, it's an easy target to attack.

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On November 04 2012 05:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
Although caution can be a good thing Rad, you should be careful.
If you don't have enough information to make a read make sure to get more information.
It would be too easy for scum to go: "Ah, I dunno, don't really have any reads" You shouldn't be getting away with this as town.
I'm curious as to any cases you might make in the next 24 hours.


Clarity has been defensive when I was trying to give him advice after his post with his reads.

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On November 03 2012 21:17 Djodref wrote:
Just a remark for Obsy and Clarity, lists can been seen as a scumtell. I know that newbies love them so it's a null tell for me right now. Let me explain.

Making list makes you look like as an active contributor while you are not really committing on any player. From a list post, it's easy to blend in and find some reasons to vote for the possible lynch candidates.

And I also think it would be better for you to focus on your scumreads rather than dispatch your attention. If you are town, of course


The point I really don't like in his reaction is the fact that he said that he didn't make a list.

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On November 03 2012 21:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Where did I make a list? Unless you're talking about my reads on everyone, which I don't see can ever be a bad thing.
You are the one who pointed out that it is a plurality lynch, and that we should not focus too deeply on a select few.
My "list" forces everyone to comment on it, and perhaps gain insight on others through my observations or sees a flaw in my logic and helps me out by pointing it out.

Yeah, I've read that lists are generally a mafia tell, or newbie town, but this is only the case if they do not contribute.
Are you saying that my post will not contribute?


Regarding the plurality lynch, we have individually to focus on our scum reads but town in general should not focus on only two players. By the way, you have failed to put pressure on me or Alsn, but we were your scum reads.

In conclusion

FoS Clarity






Now this is this game's equivalent:
SCUM
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 16 2012 12:50 Djodref wrote:


JieXan




First of all, I liked DYH latest case against him + Show Spoiler [for reference] +
On December 16 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:
@DP - I think the optimal way to play is to do our best to get the witch hunter to miss. Losing 2 townies, good or bad, is always worse than losing 1. I don't think this is going to convince you, so I'm not going to bring it up again.



I'm feeling more comfortable with my vote on JX right now.

His initial post was rather scummy, the thing to note about it is that it looks constructed (the phrases used when talking about hapa and MrZ, "mindless babbling" & "relative non-chalance". What makes me think he is scum is the progression of his pushing MrZ.

A behavior read.
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On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:
Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk

At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction.

Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot

Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor


But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another

##Vote MrZentor

An unsupported meta read with some WIFOM.
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On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.

I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)

Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.

Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads)

Finally providing support for his meta read. Not conclusive enough considering he is ignoring paranoia (MrZ's most recent town game).
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On December 16 2012 01:23 JieXian wrote:
tell me how zentor's behavior isn't weird as compared to 2 of his other town games

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341663&user=137099
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625&user=137099

0 reads 0 risks this game, because town has been going the wrong way, because he doesn't need to.


This reads like he is trying to justify his stance on MrZ after the fact. Instead of finding MrZ scummy and looking into him, the presenting good reasons to vote him, JX voted him, then went in search of the reasons when pressured. This strikes me as scummy.

I already pointed out how his first post feels constructed, and if that is true and he spent time on that post, why didn't he spend time backing up his vote on MrZ right from the start?


Here is how he entered the thread casually spreading suspicion over Hapa and DP.

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On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:
Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk

At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction.

Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot

Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor


But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another

##Vote MrZentor


His point against Hapa is not so bad, but it's kind of nit picky. I'll pass him this one because I was really startled when Hapa brought it.
On the other hand, his points against DP and Zentor are bad. Regarding DP, in the early game, you have to pressure people for some trivia, and pressuring people is more a townie behavior than a mafia behavior, even if it's not totally true for DP.

The main point here is that he calls them townies in the same post. That's just a scumslip. because this refers to Hapa and DP.
So he enters the thread by spreading suspicion on them but calling them townies when he votes finally MrZ. So either he has a townread on them, in this case the first suspicions and points against them are totally useless and unwarranted for, either he is a mafia player that knows their alignment.

Let's take a look at the rest of his filter to decide what is more likely.

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On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.

I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)

Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.

Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads)


He doesn't really comment on the fact that he called them townies. And now he said that they were saying weird things, and not scummy things.

And then just proceeds to tunnel MrZ, which has not given us so much to work from.

Right now, I think that JieXan has the most chances to flip scum. Hence my vote.

##Vote Jiexan


READ BOTH there is a distinct difference. Even though he is incorrect in the town post, there is a lot more certainty in the tone of the case. Town djo thinks his cases are right. Scum djo knows they are wrong.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 21:11 GMT
#2073
@GHOST i guess you have never seen djo's scum games... he does that. He loves megaposts as scum. he loves to drown you in a sea of his own shitty half hearted ideas
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 21:15 GMT
#2075
when he's scum he knows his case is wrong.

the town game was the last game he got town (not counting chrono because that game was fucked)
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 21:17 GMT
#2077
just keep an open mind hapa, and everyone else too. more is coming.
last game i was sure DP was scum but everyone thought I was wrong and told me to stfu, so i did. BUT I WAS RIGHT
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 21:18 GMT
#2079
On December 21 2012 06:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Kush, I don't much like meta cases to begin with, but the comparison of the two cases reads kinda null for me. The second post does seem to use a few more 'buts' and 'kind ofs' but still has that strong overtone where he bolds stuff like weird and scummy.

Also, he's flammed with Eywa and wants to lynch JX and Draz... who's his scumbud?.

show me a game where scum dont fake flame each other. Scum need to do this esp as the game gets smaller.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 21:21 GMT
#2080
K im just going to make this a series and publish it in installments.
Djo's behavior gets scummier and scummier the closer to the lynch it is.

This is about d1 lynch:
On December 16 2012 13:46 Djodref wrote:
For the moment, I want to lynch JieXan today. I wouldn't mind lynching MrZ or Kush as well, but I'm less confident in these lynches.

If we cannot consolidate on them, we have to lynch a lurker/inactive player. Here are now my candidates to a policy lynch
  • Morbidius
  • Eywa
  • threesr
  • Mr. Cheesecake
I have another game running and so I'm not going to participate here so much anymore because I need to put a lot of effort in this other game right now.


So he is ok with lynching SEVEN people.
Basically everyone except DYH ofc.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 21:37 GMT
#2087
So this is what djo says in the conclusion of his megacase against me:
On December 18 2012 07:50 Djodref wrote:
Kush is most certainly scum

I still do prefer a Eywa lynch for tomorrow. Because, yeah, kush being kush, there is still a small chance for him to be town. 1% town chance for Eywa right now, 5% town chance for Kush.

GG guys,

Y u no concede ?


That SAME day he posts this later:
On December 18 2012 16:01 Djodref wrote:
meh..

Right now, I would lynch Kush over DYH. I really think he has more chances to flip scum than DYH.
I really need to see more from DYH and drazak though...

Notice the reluctance against lynching DYH here. "meh" lol. Also he was SOOO sure about Ewya but completely sheeps hapa's reversal on the matter.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 21:42 GMT
#2089
Mr Z dont waste your check on djo imo.
Check ghost or jx please. Also the scrying check is now 100% effective.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 22:07 GMT
#2114
He keeps stressing that DYH is scummy, but he's the LEAST likely to flip scum. Classic soft defense stance.

The following quotes are leading up to the d2 lynch. They demonstrate his reluctance to lynch DYH.
On December 19 2012 10:51 Djodref wrote:
yeah, I'm here !

Among these three, I would say that Kush is the most likely to flip scum. I'm totally up to lynch him today and I'm getting tired that Jx, MrZ and Eywa are dismissing my cases.

I feel like DYH is the less likely to flip scum. I really want to hear more from him. And on somebody else than MrZ...
Regarding drazark, I was null on him so far. I'll come back to you after reading his filter one more time.



More DYH love:
On December 19 2012 12:19 Djodref wrote:
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On December 19 2012 12:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Either works fine for me really. Kush though has the chance of being active and proving us wrong (doubt it, but possible). DYH is just going to lurk no matter what.


Yeah, but right now, for me, it would be a lurker lynch. And I think that he is really less likely to flip scum than Kush or even Drazak. I mean, he has at least tried to scumhunt, and I understand that you could consider MrZ to be scum, I have some doubts myself.
And I don't like at the fact that MrZentor refuses to comment on Kush and drops his vote on DYH in a OMGUS way.
I would like to give him a chance to participate more.


Djo really doesn't want to lynch DYH...
On December 19 2012 15:30 Djodref wrote:
By the way, Hapa, I still really prefer a Kush lynch to a DYH lynch.
How can I convince you to switch your vote to Kush ?


Oh he's willing to vote DYH..but only if everyone else does.
On December 19 2012 16:05 Djodref wrote:
I could support a DYH lynch if you need to consolidate, but in the meantime I'll try to push my lynch on Kush.
He shouldn't have tried to go after me, I'm not an easy mislynch anymore, like in NMM XXIX !

I'm also peacing out I have RL stuff to do. I'll try to stay up tonight...



K finally he votes DYH, but it was totally his idea ("for the reasons given in his list above")
On December 20 2012 03:23 Djodref wrote:
Bleh, you guys are the most stubborn idiots I have ever played with.
It's time to consolidate, because town is going pants on head once again.

I'm voting DYH for the reasons given in my list above...

##Unvote
##Vote DYH

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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 22:44 GMT
#2135
Djo you scumclaiming?
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 22:45 GMT
#2136
##vote djodreff
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 22:48 GMT
#2138
i voted mrz cause i though hapa was gonna die
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 20 2012 23:20 GMT
#2140
On December 21 2012 08:02 Hapahauli wrote:
Is that everything on Djo or is there more? I mean it's good enough as is, but any icing would be nice.


how many ways would you like me to prove 1+1=2?

The problem is his filter is long and time consuming. So yeah I'm done.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 21 2012 00:56 GMT
#2171
Djo before I made a case against you I wasn't your strongest scumread it seemed like.
Now that I made the case, I'm suddenly your biggest scumread again?

Also I find it weird that you can find all these quotes from me yet you can't even attempt to defend yourself?

OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 21 2012 16:09 GMT
#2202
cheesecake are you kidding me?
I made the best case in this game by far, and honestly it had nothing to do with my analysis or logic. The only contribution from me was actually going through his filter, because his quotes spoke for themselves..he is that fucking scummy.
If that wasn't enough, there's his reaction, which is basically a scumclaim. His personality changes entirely. He seems angry and panicked. I go from being not his top scumread before the case to being OMG MUST DESTROY after it.
The case is damning, like you said earlier, but its his reaction that makes him confirmed scum.

Cheesecake
I just realized that my defense of him was total balls. It was entirely based on the meta of his first mafia game. So on my agenda is a closer look at cheesecake, which will probably happen later in the day.

OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 21 2012 20:02 GMT
#2210
jx did you read my case on djo? will you vote him today?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 21 2012 22:03 GMT
#2219
cheesecake how about a djo/cheesecake team? does that work?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 22 2012 04:24 GMT
#2254
dont have the heart to do anything major tonight.
worked until 8. came home to power outage for like 2 hours..that's my excuse
I was going to look into cheesecake's filter but now everyone is abandoning my djo wagon! wtf

Do I really have to respond to cheesecake's terribad case on me?
Also are you guys really not voting djo even after that scumclaim response to my case?

@hapa your case against ewya is pretty convincing, especially now that DYH has flipped. Also for the first time I actually understand why you keep juxtaposing those two quotes and calling it a scumslip lol. But the same thing as always stands in the way of me buying it, and that is my undying belief that djo is scum. I've been tunneling him from the first wagon in the beginning of the game, and while other people have dropped their suspicion, i have just been watching him and my conviction grows stronger with every post he makes. Like usually when you tunnel someone you start having doubts, but I have never had any doubts.
If djo flips town then yeah I say lynch ewya next. But from how they treat each other it doesn't look like they are both scum.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 22 2012 04:50 GMT
#2256
Cheesecake,

Tomorrow before lynch I will delve into djo's filter. Yes I will go deeper. And harder. There is more to his scumminess than what you describe. The case against him is way better than the case against Ewya.

We are lynching Djo. It doesn't matter if you are or aren't on board because everyone else will be.
?
Also how can you be 95% sure he's town... like what the fuck man.. you said it was "pretty damning"
what happened to that???
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