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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 18 2012 21:37 GMT
#1521
And Hapa, don't you think I as scum would be more careful and actually try to make it look like I was suspicious of DYH before voting him?

Look at any of my scum games and compare that play to my play this game.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 18 2012 21:37 GMT
#1522
On December 19 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 06:34 Eywa- wrote:
On December 19 2012 06:33 MrZentor wrote:
And now everybody thinks I'm scum.

Good.

Good.

Put your vote on Mr.Cheesecake please.


DYH + MrZ scumteam. I can prove it.


Okay, sure, whatever gets you to kill DYH.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
December 18 2012 21:37 GMT
#1523
On December 19 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 06:34 Eywa- wrote:
On December 19 2012 06:33 MrZentor wrote:
And now everybody thinks I'm scum.

Good.

Good.

Put your vote on Mr.Cheesecake please.


DYH + MrZ scumteam. I can prove it.

I'll read, but I doubt you can change my mind about the vote today, I am placing a pure strategic vote which will show the town to victory if they just follow. There are trends and I believe Mr.Cheesecake is the first piece of the puzzle.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 18 2012 21:39 GMT
#1524
On December 19 2012 06:37 MrZentor wrote:
And Hapa, don't you think I as scum would be more careful and actually try to make it look like I was suspicious of DYH before voting him?

Look at any of my scum games and compare that play to my play this game.


Can you post some of your scumgames then? I'd like to take a readthrough.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 18 2012 21:39 GMT
#1525
On December 19 2012 06:31 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 06:29 DoYouHas wrote:
I had been trying to keep MrZ's voting of me largely out of my case to try and make it more objective. But what you are saying makes sense.

I'm just going to go ahead and say this, assume that all you said is true and that MrZ were trying to expose hapa, after he failed to expose him, the witchdoctor would have taken the shot anyway... Which means Hapa either didn't get blued or is also scum.


I don't agree with you, I think DP's policy had more influence than you seem to think. I know it did for me. If you are right and the witch hunter would have shot hapa anyways after MrZ's plan failed, they probably would have layered the regular scum hit on top of that just to cover their bases. hapa isn't dead, so I don't think this is possible.
Guts? Determination? $5?
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
December 18 2012 21:39 GMT
#1526
On December 19 2012 06:39 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 06:37 MrZentor wrote:
And Hapa, don't you think I as scum would be more careful and actually try to make it look like I was suspicious of DYH before voting him?

Look at any of my scum games and compare that play to my play this game.


Can you post some of your scumgames then? I'd like to take a readthrough.

Negative, bad idea.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 18 2012 21:45 GMT
#1527
Oh wait nevermind on the DYH thing. MrZ is still scum though.

a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
December 18 2012 21:48 GMT
#1528
24 hours of daylight left...

I want to get a vote count on Mr.Cheesecake.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
drazak
Profile Joined November 2011
United States479 Posts
December 18 2012 21:53 GMT
#1529
Bleh, I don't like how defensive hapa was but I can't get anything else to stick on him no matter how hard I look.
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
December 18 2012 21:54 GMT
#1530
On December 19 2012 06:53 drazak wrote:
Bleh, I don't like how defensive hapa was but I can't get anything else to stick on him no matter how hard I look.

If you vote for Mr.Cheesecake, everything will be made clear as ice.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 18 2012 22:05 GMT
#1531
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324050 Scum

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349058 Scum

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340480 SK
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 18 2012 22:11 GMT
#1532
My scum play is sooo bad. -.-
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 18 2012 22:13 GMT
#1533
MrZ is scum.


1) His "vote" on DYH
On December 18 2012 12:38 MrZentor wrote:
When we kill DYH and he flips red, can I get the credit for his lynch?

I mean, I was the first to vote for him.


After me and Eywa settled on lynching DYH, MrZentor pops in and expresses his desire to follow us on the lynch. He sais above that he was the first to vote him, however that's a lie. He never voted DYH in his filter.

MrZ was never even suspicious of DYH in his filter.



2) MrZ's Explanation

On December 19 2012 06:07 MrZentor wrote:
...
On the first day, I had a null read on him, so of course I wasn't going to imply suspicion.

On the second day, I thought I had voted for DYH after he voted for me, just to show that I was tired of his ridiculous cases.

I probably wrote the post and then forgot to post it. :/


DYH's vote on MrZ:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816&currentpage=62#1232

So right after this post, MrZ supposedly "got tired of DYH's ridiculous cases" and would have voted him. However, look at the conversations that DYH and MrZ have with each other (click spoiler):

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 18 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
DYH, your case is bad.

Scum would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP.

And your whole case is based on that not being true.

On December 18 2012 07:37 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:
On December 18 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
DYH, your case is bad.

Scum would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP.

And your whole case is based on that not being true.


Wrong, your case is based on that assumption being true, mine is not. My case is based on you pushing a strategy that would reveal whether hapa is blue or not when he is still potentially in danger of being silver shot. My case is based on acknowledging that you don't know exactly how scum are operating, which you clearly don't, because you want to lynch hapa.


If Hapa was town, then Mafia wouldn't have any silver bullets left. It's pretty simple, and the reasoning behind it is solid. If he were truly a blue, then he would have nothing to fear from the witch hunter.

Anyways, originally, my plan was going to reveal if Hapa were scum or not; I had a null read on him.

And then Hapa started acting really scummy. Like REALLY scummy.

So no, my read on Hapa isn't all based on that assumption being true. In fact, it isn't based on that assumption at all, as my plan didn't succeed, and we didn't gain any information from it.

On December 18 2012 07:41 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 07:39 DoYouHas wrote:
If MrZ was town he would have to at least acknowledge that his assumptions might be wrong. And if that possibility exists, then his actions only have a scum mindset. Any town making his assumptions could just as easily test them when hapa was out of danger. They would be no less convincing, even if we will be missing 2 more votes now.

MrZ was rolefishing, plain and simple.


The probability of scum having a bullet and Hapa being blue was minuscule. And I'm impatient.

On December 18 2012 07:47 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 07:43 DoYouHas wrote:
On December 18 2012 07:37 MrZentor wrote:
On December 18 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:
On December 18 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
DYH, your case is bad.

Scum would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP.

And your whole case is based on that not being true.


Wrong, your case is based on that assumption being true, mine is not. My case is based on you pushing a strategy that would reveal whether hapa is blue or not when he is still potentially in danger of being silver shot. My case is based on acknowledging that you don't know exactly how scum are operating, which you clearly don't, because you want to lynch hapa.


If Hapa was town, then Mafia wouldn't have any silver bullets left. It's pretty simple, and the reasoning behind it is solid. If he were truly a blue, then he would have nothing to fear from the witch hunter.

Anyways, originally, my plan was going to reveal if Hapa were scum or not; I had a null read on him.

And then Hapa started acting really scummy. Like REALLY scummy.

So no, my read on Hapa isn't all based on that assumption being true. In fact, it isn't based on that assumption at all, as my plan didn't succeed, and we didn't gain any information from it.


What? Again, the only way your plan works is if your assumptions hold true, yes, they aren't bad assumptions, I never said they weren't but they aren't the ONLY valid assumptions. What you just said boils down to, hapa was either vanilla or elected scum, I was trying to figure out which. This is exactly my point. What you did leaves no room for your assumption being wrong.


No, there are a lot of things Hapa could be. The reason I was focused on elected scum is that that was a really easy way to catch him and prove he was scum.

And he had a good chance of being elected, regardless of his alignment, so there would be a decent chance of him being elected scum.


MrZ defends himself from DYH's questions four times. MrZ claims that is "tired of DYH's ridiculous cases," and supposedly had his vote on DYH (which he claims he forgot to post). In these posts...
1) He never calls DYH scummy
2) He never questions DYH's motives
3) He is remarkably patient with DYH and takes the time to answer all his questions
4) For all purposes, he treats the cases as if DYH is town



MrZ's suspicions on DYH make no sense with his actions. MrZ claims he has a vote on DYH and tried to take credit for a possible lynch on DYH. While he states he "forgot" to vote for DYH when I called him out for it, his conversations with DYH treat DYH as if he's town.

Admittedly I thought he was town because he was too "attention-seeking." However when mafia are active, it becomes harder for them to mask their actions. In this case, MrZ is active scum, and can't keep his story straight.

So when we remove the "attention-seeking" read from MrZ's, what do we get? A guy talking about nonsense for 7-pages of filter. He pushed the Morbidius mislynch through, then spent 3-4 pages talking about how I must be scum since I'm not dead.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 18 2012 22:16 GMT
#1534
Don't worry, Hapa.

You're far too paranoid to me scum.

Because he has a far better chance of flipping scum than I do, even though I'm sure DYH is scum.

##Unvote
##vote Mr.Cheesecake
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 18 2012 22:17 GMT
#1535
Well tell me how your actions make sense then. Because I don't see how the DYH stuff makes sense from a town perspective.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 18 2012 22:20 GMT
#1536
Just read some of my scum games.

Also, if DYH is innocent like you now seem to think, and I'm scum, why would I want to take credit for his lynch?

Wouldn't I want to make it look like it was your fault we lynched a townie?

That makes no sense from a scum perspective.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
December 18 2012 22:23 GMT
#1537
I feel like MrZentor is playing sarcastically, he's playing a spoof of a bad scum... like, if I were scum, these are all the things I wouldn't do... and he does them.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 18 2012 22:24 GMT
#1538
I think it would be a ton of fun to try to play this way as scum.

But it would also be really difficult to pull off.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 18 2012 22:30 GMT
#1539
On December 19 2012 07:20 MrZentor wrote:
Just read some of my scum games.

Also, if DYH is innocent like you now seem to think, and I'm scum, why would I want to take credit for his lynch?

Wouldn't I want to make it look like it was your fault we lynched a townie?

That makes no sense from a scum perspective.


You can say "oh I wouldn't do this and that as scum," but you still haven't explained how your actions make sense. Fact is, you claimed you made a vote you didn't make, and your explanation for it makes no sense.

You want to have me believe that you were suspicious of DYH... and never said once that he was scummy. Never once said that he was suspicious. And never once questioned his motives. What gives?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 18 2012 22:37 GMT
#1540
I was afraid of calling him scum after misreading him last game.

Your case gave me confidence.

I don't see what the problem is.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
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