EPTLook at any of my scum games and compare that play to my play this game.
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Look at any of my scum games and compare that play to my play this game. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Okay, sure, whatever gets you to kill DYH. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
I'll read, but I doubt you can change my mind about the vote today, I am placing a pure strategic vote which will show the town to victory if they just follow. There are trends and I believe Mr.Cheesecake is the first piece of the puzzle. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 19 2012 06:37 MrZentor wrote: And Hapa, don't you think I as scum would be more careful and actually try to make it look like I was suspicious of DYH before voting him? Look at any of my scum games and compare that play to my play this game. Can you post some of your scumgames then? I'd like to take a readthrough. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
On December 19 2012 06:31 Eywa- wrote: I'm just going to go ahead and say this, assume that all you said is true and that MrZ were trying to expose hapa, after he failed to expose him, the witchdoctor would have taken the shot anyway... Which means Hapa either didn't get blued or is also scum. I don't agree with you, I think DP's policy had more influence than you seem to think. I know it did for me. If you are right and the witch hunter would have shot hapa anyways after MrZ's plan failed, they probably would have layered the regular scum hit on top of that just to cover their bases. hapa isn't dead, so I don't think this is possible. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On December 19 2012 06:39 Hapahauli wrote: Can you post some of your scumgames then? I'd like to take a readthrough. Negative, bad idea. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
I want to get a vote count on Mr.Cheesecake. | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On December 19 2012 06:53 drazak wrote: Bleh, I don't like how defensive hapa was but I can't get anything else to stick on him no matter how hard I look. If you vote for Mr.Cheesecake, everything will be made clear as ice. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349058 Scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340480 SK | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
1) His "vote" on DYH On December 18 2012 12:38 MrZentor wrote: When we kill DYH and he flips red, can I get the credit for his lynch? I mean, I was the first to vote for him. After me and Eywa settled on lynching DYH, MrZentor pops in and expresses his desire to follow us on the lynch. He sais above that he was the first to vote him, however that's a lie. He never voted DYH in his filter. MrZ was never even suspicious of DYH in his filter. 2) MrZ's Explanation On December 19 2012 06:07 MrZentor wrote: ... On the first day, I had a null read on him, so of course I wasn't going to imply suspicion. On the second day, I thought I had voted for DYH after he voted for me, just to show that I was tired of his ridiculous cases. I probably wrote the post and then forgot to post it. :/ DYH's vote on MrZ: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=62#1232 So right after this post, MrZ supposedly "got tired of DYH's ridiculous cases" and would have voted him. However, look at the conversations that DYH and MrZ have with each other (click spoiler): + Show Spoiler + On December 18 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote: DYH, your case is bad. Scum would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP. And your whole case is based on that not being true. On December 18 2012 07:37 MrZentor wrote: If Hapa was town, then Mafia wouldn't have any silver bullets left. It's pretty simple, and the reasoning behind it is solid. If he were truly a blue, then he would have nothing to fear from the witch hunter. Anyways, originally, my plan was going to reveal if Hapa were scum or not; I had a null read on him. And then Hapa started acting really scummy. Like REALLY scummy. So no, my read on Hapa isn't all based on that assumption being true. In fact, it isn't based on that assumption at all, as my plan didn't succeed, and we didn't gain any information from it. On December 18 2012 07:41 MrZentor wrote: The probability of scum having a bullet and Hapa being blue was minuscule. And I'm impatient. On December 18 2012 07:47 MrZentor wrote: No, there are a lot of things Hapa could be. The reason I was focused on elected scum is that that was a really easy way to catch him and prove he was scum. And he had a good chance of being elected, regardless of his alignment, so there would be a decent chance of him being elected scum. MrZ defends himself from DYH's questions four times. MrZ claims that is "tired of DYH's ridiculous cases," and supposedly had his vote on DYH (which he claims he forgot to post). In these posts... 1) He never calls DYH scummy 2) He never questions DYH's motives 3) He is remarkably patient with DYH and takes the time to answer all his questions 4) For all purposes, he treats the cases as if DYH is town MrZ's suspicions on DYH make no sense with his actions. MrZ claims he has a vote on DYH and tried to take credit for a possible lynch on DYH. While he states he "forgot" to vote for DYH when I called him out for it, his conversations with DYH treat DYH as if he's town. Admittedly I thought he was town because he was too "attention-seeking." However when mafia are active, it becomes harder for them to mask their actions. In this case, MrZ is active scum, and can't keep his story straight. So when we remove the "attention-seeking" read from MrZ's, what do we get? A guy talking about nonsense for 7-pages of filter. He pushed the Morbidius mislynch through, then spent 3-4 pages talking about how I must be scum since I'm not dead. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
You're far too paranoid to me scum. Because he has a far better chance of flipping scum than I do, even though I'm sure DYH is scum. ##Unvote ##vote Mr.Cheesecake | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Also, if DYH is innocent like you now seem to think, and I'm scum, why would I want to take credit for his lynch? Wouldn't I want to make it look like it was your fault we lynched a townie? That makes no sense from a scum perspective. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
But it would also be really difficult to pull off. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:20 MrZentor wrote: Just read some of my scum games. Also, if DYH is innocent like you now seem to think, and I'm scum, why would I want to take credit for his lynch? Wouldn't I want to make it look like it was your fault we lynched a townie? That makes no sense from a scum perspective. You can say "oh I wouldn't do this and that as scum," but you still haven't explained how your actions make sense. Fact is, you claimed you made a vote you didn't make, and your explanation for it makes no sense. You want to have me believe that you were suspicious of DYH... and never said once that he was scummy. Never once said that he was suspicious. And never once questioned his motives. What gives? | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Your case gave me confidence. I don't see what the problem is. | ||
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