EPTI've checked how the witchcraft votes where working exactly. I read it the first time when the OP came out but I didn't remember exactly how it worked when I joined for real. The players list made me join by the way
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I've checked how the witchcraft votes where working exactly. I read it the first time when the OP came out but I didn't remember exactly how it worked when I joined for real. The players list made me join by the way | ||
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On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote: Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit. Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? They are both as likely to read the OP. But the witchcraft votes part is more likely to be read in details by the town. It turns out that Hapa has misread the OP (his behaviors feels genuine), so my point against him was not so relevant. Weak votes in the early game are a way to get the discussion started. By the way, did you read the witchcraft votes part in the OP or not ? Did you do the same mistake as Hapa ? | ||
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On December 15 2012 11:52 Blazinghand wrote: You can use one of your votes to cast a "no-one" vote. If "no-one" wins, it blocks out a spot in the election. Today there are 10 townies alive, which means you are electing three blues, which means you must cast three witchcraft votes. One of these votes may be a vote for "no-one", and if it is in the top 3 choices town will have one less blue role than usual tonight. The OP was pretty straightforward imo. We cannot force a 10 VT - 3 goons setup. | ||
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On December 15 2012 11:55 drazak wrote: Hey if you're lurking we're gonna kill you, cut it out. I'm not sure what's scummy about DP yet but djo bro, I'm not sure you're thinking things out in regards to hapa. Hapa came out with an idea that was looking good for town but was impossible to achieve if you were really paying attention on how the witchcraft votes are working. I thought it was a cheap way to look town and also a mistake from a mafia player who didn't read carefully the part of the OP destined to town roles. It turns out that it was a misunderstanding. or at least it looks like it. | ||
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On December 15 2012 12:02 DarthPunk wrote: So you were voting for a good player based on a coinflip? Is that it? If both scum and town are just as likely to not read the op, and you vote for someone based on not reading the OP you are just randomly voting for hapa, a good town player historically, based on a 3/13 chance he is scum? My reading/ not reading the OP is irrelevant to my alignment so I don;t feel the need to talk about that with you. especially after mario and learning of your penchant as scu to force these kind of discussions. How about you talk about something other than the set-up? how about you do some scumhunting. My vote will stay where it is until that happens. It's not a coinflip at all. I've read the witchcraft vote part in the OP carefully and I expect every town player to do so. Mafia players don't have witchcraft votes so I expect them to read this part less carefully. My thinking process is valid. Why do you think that it is not better than a random vote ? Why have you failed to read the part of the OP specifically addressed to town players ? In mario, I was speculating about the setup to avoid contributing. Here I'm trying to identify town players and scum players by checking if they had the same reactions, thoughts process that I have. For me, you couldn't reasonably come up with a 10-3 VT-goon setup idea if you were town. It is also a good way to look town to propose such ideas. | ||
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On December 15 2012 12:24 DarthPunk wrote: He was voting for someone, based on nothing whatsoever. That is what I am accusing him for. Why are you ignoring my posts ? Did you read this ? On December 15 2012 12:19 Djodref wrote: It's not a coinflip at all. I've read the witchcraft vote part in the OP carefully and I expect every town player to do so. Mafia players don't have witchcraft votes so I expect them to read this part less carefully. My thinking process is valid. Why do you think that it is not better than a random vote ? Why have you failed to read the part of the OP specifically addressed to town players ? In mario, I was speculating about the setup to avoid contributing. Here I'm trying to identify town players and scum players by checking if they had the same reactions, thoughts process that I have. For me, you couldn't reasonably come up with a 10-3 VT-goon setup idea if you were town. It is also a good way to look town to propose such ideas. My vote wasn't a coin flip. I must admit than it wasn't a strong vote, but weak votes in the early game usually can get the discussion started and are great to help you read someone. In this regard, this post On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote: Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one. Source: my last three town games. and this game. is a very scummy reaction to Hapa vote on you. Not to mention you already OMGUS vote him. ##Vote DarthPunk | ||
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On December 15 2012 12:33 DarthPunk wrote: And I would say that reading the OP is not alignment indicative at all. and that any vote for someone not reading the OP is either stupid or scummy. I do see where you are coming from, though I disagree. So what you are saying is that you voted for hapa based on your feelings that townies were more likely to read the part of the OP that would disprove hapas plan? Still seems an awfully weak reason to vote for hapa. Why did you vote for MR Z? I voted to Mr Z to create some early game discussion. This vote was as serious as him voting himself. It didn't work at all, so I dropped it quickly. I voted Hapa for the following
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On December 15 2012 12:35 DarthPunk wrote: So you are voting for me by sheeping the weakest part of hapa's case against me? I vote you for the following reasons
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On December 15 2012 12:40 DarthPunk wrote: Let me elaborate on a previous point. Djo: What about MrZ's self vote made you vote for him. What is scummy about self votes? You said scum are likely to do that. Do you have any links to games you have played in to backup that assertion? First of all, it was not a serious vote. I gave this reason to get some discussion started about something. I know that self-voting is not relevant of the alignment. But I have seen scum doing that more so often that town. By the way, do you remember this in LVII ? On September 21 2012 00:07 DarthPunk wrote: ##VOTE DARTHPUNK And I also have this example from the first game I've ever played here. Kush in NMM XVIII On September 29 2012 06:22 kushm4sta wrote: kush seems scummiest honestly ##vote kush | ||
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Do you have any suspicion on other players than thrawn or myself so far ? | ||
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On December 15 2012 13:35 DarthPunk wrote: what do you think my position is on you djo? I know your position on me, I was trying to get you talk about other players but it looks like I've been sniped. | ||
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On December 15 2012 13:40 MrZentor wrote: I generated more discussion than you could have ever hoped for. Be thankful. I don't think you deserve the credit for generating discussion. Because I do Anyway, if you are here, you'd better comment on what happened so far. | ||
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Yes, you did talk about Hapa, which is a different player from thrawn and me. Or are you talking about the position you have on me ? | ||
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"my vote is on you until you scumhunt" | ||
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So, if you are town, you absolutely must start posting more and giving us your scum reads, even if they are weak and backed up with a short reasoning. We need at least this from you. Here are some players I'm very concerned about right now MrZentor MrZentor has not made a single post which could be called a good contribution to this thread. The thing that concerns me is the way he is trying to get as much as town credit he can for doing absolutely nothing. On December 15 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote MrZentor Because I can. This is meaningless in itself. The town motivation could be to spark some discussion, the mafia motivation could be to throw some WIFOM out there like "mafia players don't vote themselves" and/or to be disruptive. I've cast my vote on him as a probe to see his reaction (or anyone reaction in the thread) and here is the answer I got. So I don't think that his goal was to create discussion. This post is just meaningless again. And yet, here he comes with this On December 15 2012 13:40 MrZentor wrote: I generated more discussion than you could have ever hoped for. Be thankful. On December 16 2012 02:02 MrZentor wrote: Okay, I think I've established my townieness. I should be more or less actually helpful from now on. Totally unwarranted. He didn't generate any good discussion, he didn't take part of it at least. MrZ is totally a lurker this game (even if he states he is not). Moreover, I've tried to confront him for his "generating discussion post" and he didn't answer me... The icing on the cake is his total OMGUS vote on JieXan, with absolutely no explanation. On December 15 2012 23:21 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote JieXian So, yeah, I think that MrZ could be scum. My concern right now is that another player that could be totally scum, JieXan (more on this later) is also going after him. I don't believe that they could be both scum, but meh... I'll post separate posts for JieXan and kush  I'm dropping DP for the moment because I believe that DP doesn't care about the setup or the OP, regardless of his alignment. He is also fairly active and confronts people, and will do so as town or as mafia, and I feel that could actually help us given all the lurkers we have. We just have to check if he drops his scum reads for easier mislynches in the future and if he is not too stupid in his tunnelings, that's what Keir told about his scum meta basically, am I right ? Regarding the setup/OP thing, him lynching our uncontested self-aware miller who had claimed at the beginning of the game and totally discarding all my posts about the setup in the Mario showed me that town DP doesn't give a fuck about this kind of things. I thought at first he was totally hypocrite when saying "you cannot go after people for not reading the OP", trying to cover for his own mistake, but he could be actually be genuine about this one. | ||
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JieXan First of all, I liked DYH latest case against him + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On December 16 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote: @DP - I think the optimal way to play is to do our best to get the witch hunter to miss. Losing 2 townies, good or bad, is always worse than losing 1. I don't think this is going to convince you, so I'm not going to bring it up again. I'm feeling more comfortable with my vote on JX right now. His initial post was rather scummy, the thing to note about it is that it looks constructed (the phrases used when talking about hapa and MrZ, "mindless babbling" & "relative non-chalance". What makes me think he is scum is the progression of his pushing MrZ. A behavior read. An unsupported meta read with some WIFOM. Finally providing support for his meta read. Not conclusive enough considering he is ignoring paranoia (MrZ's most recent town game). This reads like he is trying to justify his stance on MrZ after the fact. Instead of finding MrZ scummy and looking into him, the presenting good reasons to vote him, JX voted him, then went in search of the reasons when pressured. This strikes me as scummy. I already pointed out how his first post feels constructed, and if that is true and he spent time on that post, why didn't he spend time backing up his vote on MrZ right from the start? Here is how he entered the thread casually spreading suspicion over Hapa and DP. On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote: Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor His point against Hapa is not so bad, but it's kind of nit picky. I'll pass him this one because I was really startled when Hapa brought it. On the other hand, his points against DP and Zentor are bad. Regarding DP, in the early game, you have to pressure people for some trivia, and pressuring people is more a townie behavior than a mafia behavior, even if it's not totally true for DP. The main point here is that he calls them townies in the same post. That's just a scumslip. because this refers to Hapa and DP. So he enters the thread by spreading suspicion on them but calling them townies when he votes finally MrZ. So either he has a townread on them, in this case the first suspicions and points against them are totally useless and unwarranted for, either he is a mafia player that knows their alignment. Let's take a look at the rest of his filter to decide what is more likely. On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post. I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on) Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame. Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads) He doesn't really comment on the fact that he called them townies. And now he said that they were saying weird things, and not scummy things. And then just proceeds to tunnel MrZ, which has not given us so much to work from. Right now, I think that JieXan has the most chances to flip scum. Hence my vote. ##Vote Jiexan | ||
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Kushm4sta Kush <3 Kush is notoriously hard to read and an easy mislynch, but they are some things that concerns me in his posts so far. The first thing, of course, is that he is going after me in a very nit-picky way. He is attacking me for one post that he takes totally out of context. That could totally be a scum kush scanning filters to look for something scummy. Let's take a look. On December 15 2012 11:27 kushm4sta wrote: "in not retarded I'm town" -djo does that strike anyone else as an intensely scummy thing to say? not sure why but i read it and my scumsenses went off the charts. Totally taken out of the context here. At least he quotes the whole sentence in the next post, but still failed to note that I was answering to Hapa and DP at that time. On December 16 2012 01:23 kushm4sta wrote: *snip* My biggest scumread so far is djodref. I'm not going to make a big case because it's mostly a feel read at this point honestly. what's really going on in this post is he is making it clear that the reason he brought up the witchcraft votes in the first place was because he thought it was something town would do, and he brought it up not because he cared but because he thought it would make him look town. The other part of my suspicion is how he reacted under pressure. in the last game I played with him he was town. There was a similar early bandwagon and he seemed like he didn't really give a shit. This game he responded to the bandwagon very attentively. Making lists and responding to everyone. His vote on hapa looked like a panic vote. *snip* I brought it up because it was clear for me at that time that Hapa and DP didn't read the part about the witchcraft votes in the OP. I've explained it already when he posted this. So he totally discards the context of this post one more time. For the pressure thing, it's kind of true, but I have been mislynched in the NMM XIX game for not giving a shit about people going after me for bad reasons. So, yeah, I care more about my defense now. I don't understand were he comes from when saying that my vote on Hapa is a panic vote. That's just bs. The other thing is that Kush has shown an anti-town mentality. On December 15 2012 10:27 kushm4sta wrote: town for the millionth time in a row. my rules this game: 1. I will never vote thrawn no matter how scummy he looks. I've been certain and wrong too many times. and I have to live with th regret every day of my life. *snip* 3. I am going to advocate the systematic extermination of lurkers. Yup I want to lynch unreadables over scmreads. And lurking makes you unreadable and immune to all efforts at scumhunting. Fuck fake pressuring active people.by pretending we might vote them. IF there is a lurker I will push his lynch. Never voting someone, no matter how scummy he looks... Lynching lurkers over scumreads... That's anti-town, but kush is also quite non-sensical, so I'm not sure what to do with that. On December 16 2012 05:48 kushm4sta wrote: Yup that's my rule for this game. kill lurkers before scumreads At least he is consistent with his rule. Oh wait ! he is being called for it and then... On December 16 2012 11:14 kushm4sta wrote: *snip* So when you look at it, the lurker issue really isn't that bad this game. So thrawn, when you say lurkers are making this game "unplayable" that is kinda bs. WTF ! This lurker issue is very concerning this game. I don't understand how he could not stick to his rule now ! So, all in all, I'm leaning scum on Kush, but it's a weak read because he is could have done these posts as town as well. | ||
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If we cannot consolidate on them, we have to lynch a lurker/inactive player. Here are now my candidates to a policy lynch
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