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@ Blazinghand
I think you should remove the abstain mechanic or you should gave the bullets to the whole scumteam.
And you shouldn't have told them how to abstain 
Also I really don't understand why JieXian didn't claim his vote. I know he had me as scum with Hapa, but his actions made me confirmed scum when I could still be town from his point of view.
I think we could have won this game easily after D1 if we had run a proper disruption in the thread during D2.
I really don't wish you to be scum with kush in any of you game. This is just so frustrating ^^
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On December 28 2012 18:28 JieXian wrote:dafuck I get it now, djo and kush didn't understand the plan which was why they went through with it lol lol Show nested quote +##concede
it's up to kush now.
I would like to know how ghost got elected last time ^^ Show nested quote +Kush, in fact, this is very good for us Because people are going to vote for "nobody" They have to cast the Witchcraft vote, they cannot send nothing. If they follow the rules, "nobody" is going to win. There is not going to be any blues next round. That's perfect ! I think that the order of the votes went like this Cheese -> "nobody" Hapa -> "ghost" Hopefully,then, JieXian and ghost are going to vote as well JieXian -> "nobody" Ghost -> "nobody" Then, "nobody" becomes blue, that's the rule. If they miss it for the rest of the day, then it's totally OK  I'm going to look not so bad because I accepted the thing. If JieXian complains, he is going to look bad. So, yeah, don't worry ^^ @Blazinghand -> Could you confirm that nobody is going to win if the votes happened the way I described it ? I'm not asking to know which one of Hapa and Cheese voted first ^^ YOU 2 BLOODY IDIOTS LOL THAT'S SO DAMN CUTE djo t'es vraiment con :D mystery solved. I take back everything I said about you 2 lol
That was what was supposed to happen if town players didn't get to abstain, which was never mentioned in the OP in the first place. From my point of view, I think I understood it quite well.
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On December 28 2012 20:00 kushm4sta wrote:
and it's like you weren't even dead yet. but your scum epeen was so big from that last scum game you played that any whiff of your own lynch and you wanted to concede.
It's just too easy.
When I send the night actions and you get jailed so the NK don't get through, it is my responsability.
When you forget to send the night actions, it is also my fault.
I think we could have got Cheese lynched D2 if you were actually playing this game for winning and not for being right.
So really excuse me for not giving a fuck at the end. We are all responsible for losing this and your plan of bussing all your partners is just fucking brilliant if you are unable to send a PM.
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On December 28 2012 20:04 JieXian wrote:
I would have very much preferred being humiliated by brilliant mafia play than 2 people not getting the rules.
Please show me which part of the rules we didn't understand.
And you were very close for losing the game for the town with your obsession with Hapa being scum.
So yeah, don't be cocky...
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On December 28 2012 19:58 kushm4sta wrote:
godammit thinking about missing that nk rages me. thanks for completely failing to give a shit djodref.
I had to work overnight the night before so my sense of time was all messed up that is my excuse.
DJO did you know that when you die that doesn't mean you lose???
selfish arrogant bad scumplay from djo i am mad.
You were playing like a selfish retard all game...
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On December 28 2012 23:43 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 23:27 Djodref wrote:On December 28 2012 19:58 kushm4sta wrote:
godammit thinking about missing that nk rages me. thanks for completely failing to give a shit djodref.
I had to work overnight the night before so my sense of time was all messed up that is my excuse.
DJO did you know that when you die that doesn't mean you lose???
selfish arrogant bad scumplay from djo i am mad.
You were playing like a selfish retard all game... no? 1 i tried to save DYH and would have saved him if people were actually in the thread 2 i did save you fact of mafia: scum must bust unless town is a total failure. you have way too much ego
Dear Kush,
You are more obsessed with the Looney Game than I do. You shouldn't care of how scummy you look because you are getting a lot of leeway because of your town play.
1) You shouldn't have gave Cheese a town read. He was the only contender to DYH lynch and we should have pushed his mislynch D2. The following LYLO at D3 with the 3 of us would have been a piece of cake.
2) There is no problem with taking some distance, but don't bus if you don't need to.
3) Learn to send night actions.
4) Try to be right on your town games, not on your scum games
Best Regards,
Djodref
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On December 29 2012 07:54 Blazinghand wrote:
So in terms of setup changes here's what I'm thinking:
1) there is no mechanic for town to not cast a witchcraft vote: you must always vote for someone. This will prevent most of the shennannies with using witchcraft as a rolecheck
2) possibly change the scum setup from gf + goon + 2-shot blue vigi to gf + 1-shot blue vigi + 1-shot blue vigi. This seems a bit more stable.
Any thoughts on these changes, or suggestions for further tweaks?
I need to think how town could abuse the vote mechanics in this situation. But I like these changes for now.
Especially the fact that mafia has two witch hunters.
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@ Blazinghand
I think you should keep the possibility for the town to vote for ”nobody” but not for ”no-one”
I recommend you to threaten to count all invalid votes as votes for ”nobody” to force town players to vote.
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@ Hapa
It was not fancy play, it was just Kush and me being stupid and really pissed off at each other.
I really think that Cheese was the mislynch we should have pushed D2, and there was good potential for it.
Did you realize that people had to abstain and not vote for ”nobody” so your plan could work properly ?
If I have to look back at this game, I would say it's not possible to win at scum if you don't play as a team.
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On December 29 2012 08:12 Blazinghand wrote:OK so here's what I'm thinking for changes, having heard your suggestions: 1) townies can't abstain from witchcraft votes 2) gf + 1shot blue vigi 1shot blue vigi is the new scum setup 3) blaspheme returns red on GF, green on everything else (including miller) This should prevent shennannies, make blaspheme more useful, and also prevent scum from getting unlucky and losing both their bullets to a D1 lynch. Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 08:11 DoYouHas wrote:
I think you should take out or alter the mason option. I can't see how you can balance it. The mason option for town, or the 1-shot masonry for scum?
Both of them.
Town is not going to use mason, so mafia is not going to use mason as well. You could only out yourself by using mason as a mafia because it was risky/useless to use it as a town player.
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On December 29 2012 08:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh, it occurs to me that if as town you mason a scum player you'll just get shot with a silver bullet, won't you.
yes, and that's why I would have never used this as town ^^
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On December 29 2012 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Okay, what if Masonry works differently? If you use Masonry, you don't specify a target and at daybreak you're randomly masoned with another town player (alternative: two random town players are masoned with each other, not necessarily including you).
This would give it some detection power, but because you can't really aim it it's not always as useful as a DT check. Might make sense to make masonry with a godfather possible so it's detection power is strictly worse than scrying.
So what is mafia counterbalancing masonery power in that case ?
Just chosing a mason ?
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On December 29 2012 08:36 Blazinghand wrote:
The mafia power would be a 1-shot masonry between a mafia player and a target of their choice. This way, if you initiate a masonry, you know your target is town, but if you are the recipient of a masonry, you're not sure.
But you have good chances to initiate a town/town masonery. The problem I see here is that you don't have as much control as you have when you use the other powers. There is no real incentive to use this power as town over the others...
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Also I'm welcoming any comment on my scum play during this game, except for the part where I should try to forgive and play with my teammates, even if I feel like they are gamethrowing ^^
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On December 29 2012 08:56 DoYouHas wrote:
Your scum play in thread was pretty good, the amount of genuine effort you put into the game read as townie. Sometimes your attitude got in your way, and your priorities for night actions were a bit off (wasting the shot, killing MrZ instead of Hapa).
I don't know about Hapa. It kept JieXian really focused on the fact that he was still alive. I think it could have won us the game if the CC kill would have gone through.
And for my attitude, I was really exhausted and about to take my plane when kush finally posted his case against me ^^
Also I got less involved cause I'm in France now.
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On December 29 2012 23:40 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 04:55 DoYouHas wrote:
Agreed MrCc. With the exceptions of Hapa, DP, Thrawn, and maybe MrZ, this game should be looked back on as a cautionary tale. Trying to justify bad play after the fact isn't helping anyone to learn from their mistakes. nah dyh you played well imo I never suspected you much. The last time I did something stupid as town I commended scum's play because he fooled me well and I overlooked him. He knew what he was doing. Actually he kinda has your style too. So that's a lesson to take home. I never suspected that kush and djo were together like marv said, their distancing was really good I have to give them credit for that. Marv luckily I realised that 1 important point before I blew =( I already said why I didn't think it was a townie led plan. I learnt from my mistakes alright, which is that people may not shoot the best town to screw with 1 guy and some might actually not mind going along with a plan that would sign their GG. I learnt that it's stupid to assume people won't make stupid decisions or decisions that seem stupid to me. Hapa I seriously still find some parts of your playstyle to be scummy and I guess that's just your town style. I'd like to think that I'm not an idiotic sore loser and I'll gladly give credit to kush and djo where it's due : good distancing, screwing with my mind by not shooting hapa (though I won't play that way) but definitely not your "bluff" on Hapa's plan.
Hapa's plan was not supposed to work because there was supposedely no way to abstain. Also, your vote had fucked the plan.
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