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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 22 2012 21:35 GMT
#2622
I cannot do anything right now, the whole scumteam is on my lynch, and ghost is not here.
I don't see anyone moving their votes, so what do you want me to do.

I told you what to do to win this game after my flip.

And, ghost, next time, please read the whole game when you replace...
And kush, you are bad at this game...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 22 2012 21:41 GMT
#2641
On December 23 2012 06:39 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 06:37 JieXian wrote:
More proof that Djo's lying:

On December 23 2012 06:31 Djodref wrote:
lol, seriously kush, this is so obvious, I knew you were obxiousnus, but this is far too obvious that they are scum right now.
JieXian never addressed this case against him, and he perfectly shows that he was following a mafia agenda all game long.



On December 22 2012 02:23 JieXian wrote:
On December 21 2012 03:41 Djodref wrote:
On December 21 2012 03:21 JieXian wrote:
*snip*
Djo please tell me how the hell am I playing clean lol what nonsense are you talking about. Everyone agrees that I'm messy as hell. If you mean clean as in not accusing everybody like what you're doing, I don't need to because things appear clear to me.

*snip*



You are totally twisting what I've presented.

I have made a post presenting the points I had against DYH, at your request. You didn't reply directly to this post (of course not, so why asking it at the first place ?) but you have made the a comment related to this post a few moments after.


On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:
@ JieXan

Here is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better
Especially mines ^^
Anyway...
  • unemotional and not involved in this game
  • "clean" play, generally blending in
  • generally lurking
  • Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real


@ Eywa

Could you do the same thing for CC ? It took me like 5 minutes


So there is no direct comment on this from your side. But here is what I get from another remark.

On December 20 2012 03:05 JieXian wrote:
On December 20 2012 03:03 Djodref wrote:
On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote:
I call


SCUMPSLIP


Blew, half of the players have been doing 'scumslips' at this point of the game...
Even you did

But, please, enlighten me ^^


lol wasn't for you

you're bee nplaying super clean just like dyh


This is an OMGUS, but on the behalf of DYH. I point out to you what makes DYH scum, you take your pick, and say without justification that I'm guilty of the same sin.


no, honestly at that time I couldn't find anything standing out to pick you out as mafia for sure. Same with DYH.


On December 21 2012 03:48 Djodref wrote:
On December 21 2012 03:29 JieXian wrote:
On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote:


Part IV --- Lynch Derailments


Morbidius Lynch
I think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn.
Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ?

DYH Lynch
One thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here

On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote

##Vote MrZentor

I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.

hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was


Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part.


I just skimmed at this and you don't seem to understand my logic

1 zentor and dyh are null to me

2 scum want to lynch dyh

3 Didn't expect them to bussing

4 I vote for zentor


lol

At this point, here are your supposed premises, tell me if I'm wrong but you are supposed to believe that Hapa, CC and me are the scumteam. Is that right ? There is only 3 scum in this game so, here is what town JieXian would think.
I have already the whole scumteam so

1. zentor and DYH are town, we are currently lynching a town player (green check on DYH)

2. And, the whole scumteam is behing this lynch, this is obviously a mislynch !

3. Bussing who ? The 4th mafia member ?

4. I vote for another townie, to be sure to have a mislynch.... No, if you were town, you should vote for one of your scumreads


I don't see how you seem to be blind to the fact given your points fully support my decision as townie.

1. zentor and DYH are town, we are currently lynching a town player (green check on DYH)

maybe you know that they're town, I had null reads

2. And, the whole scumteam is behing this lynch, this is obviously a mislynch

Very well, so I try to stop it by voting MrZ

3. Bussing who ? The 4th mafia member ?

To me, they were lynching a townie especially given kush's check. You seem to know a little more than me

4. I vote for another townie, to be sure to have a mislynch.... No, if you were town, you should vote for one of your scumreads

My scumread had 1 vote 10 minutes to lynch time >_> My best option was to try to stop mafia



Djo, explain this please.


Explain what exactly ? He addressed some little parts of the case, but never explain why he tunneled you and cheesecake, nor say why speculating was the good reason.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 22 2012 21:43 GMT
#2646
lol
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 22 2012 21:44 GMT
#2651
On December 23 2012 06:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In all seriousness if Eywa is town, I'd say hapa is scum tho.


The thing is that it never happens in real life
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 22 2012 21:47 GMT
#2658
Yeah, DYH was flying under the radar and it was already a shitfest. No need for scum Hapa to out his scumbuddy ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 22 2012 21:57 GMT
#2681
On December 23 2012 06:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 06:55 Eywa- wrote:
On December 23 2012 06:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If you flip town Eywa, I'll lynch Hapa tomorrow.

Doubtful, but you can talk the talk all you want. Notice, Cheesecake making 2 separate promises about who's getting lynched tomorrow if I'm town?


Hey I'll lynch Djo or Hapa if you're town.


lol, no way he is town, don't even think about it ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 22 2012 22:02 GMT
#2694
seriously ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 22 2012 22:03 GMT
#2695
How can you be that much anti-town ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 22 2012 22:13 GMT
#2705
On December 23 2012 07:09 JieXian wrote:
I recall marv policy lynches at D3

time to carry it out on hapa


Could we at least have a real case against him ? Or just a short list ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 22 2012 22:14 GMT
#2706
On December 23 2012 07:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
One quote sticks to me about Hapa: "I encourage you to vote DoYouHas.." This was when just he was on him... I don't get it. That has to be the sickest bus ever if he's scum.


And that's why I don't see Hapa as scum this game.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 22 2012 22:22 GMT
#2708
I have to sleep, see you tomorrow guys !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 15:04 GMT
#2712
On December 23 2012 23:49 Hapahauli wrote:
I likely won't make it back before the deadline, so here's my hastily-written outlook on things right now:



1) Djo is probably scum.

If there are any players looking bad after last night's exchange, it's Djo. Now him voting Eywa isn't bad (since he had to in order to survive. However, the way he suddenly started pushing the idea that "oh there's no way that Eywa is going to flip town" near the lynch deadline is pretty bad. He's been convinced that three players were going to flip scum yesterday: Kush, JX, and finally Eywa.

His early-martyring and detachment also read as pretty scummy. Finally, the way he pushed Kush's case is seems scummy rather than rage-phone posting in retrospect.



2) Second Scum

By association, I don't think it's kush unless it was their plan just to throw shit at each other all game. Definitely possible, but I don't think it's likely. The most likely scum-team member seems to be Mr. CC. While his filter has quite a few pages, most of it is him screaming "Eywa is scum!" over and over again. Not that I haven't either, but there's remarkably little analysis in Mr.CC's filter, and unless he starts contributing in a big way tomorrow, I have no reason to change that opinion.

Mr.CC/Djo scumteam also would explain why I'm alive right now - I've been their buddies for most of the game.

I don't think JX is scum. Him setting himself up to look like an ass post-DYH flip makes it implausible. There's a huge difference between setting yourself up to look like a stupid townie by playing ignorant about the flip, and setting yourself to look like an asshole by being convinced that DYH isn't scum and doing everything to antagonize the other players on the wagon.


@ Hapa

First of all, I'm not scum, and my martyr act was the result of me getting lynched over Eywa at that point. That was depressing, seriously.

Also I find it very strange that you think that CC is scum the moment he starts to have suspicion about you. Why the change of heart ? I was under the impression that you had Cheese as town all game ?

The only thing that I can agree in your post is that I was certainly wrong about JieXian, because my case against him was almost the same than a possible case against Eywa, and he flipped town. So if I dismiss all his scummy behavior, which a town player proved to be capable of, he is town, because he looks genuine and passionate.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 15:20 GMT
#2713
Also one thing speaking for a town JieXian is that this guys wakes up in the middle of the night to play our game. I mean, he could have a perfect excuse to be inactive, but his involvment is great enough so he stays awake during his nights to play this game. That's quite something.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 16:25 GMT
#2716
On December 24 2012 01:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Scum bussing that hard also makes sense: He'll get all the votes and win powers. Be able to fakeclaim using powers and prevent town from checking/vetting up.


I'm also sharing some concerns about Hapa, because I know your scum meta, and I really don't fell like you are scum this game, so I'm really curious how Hapa can have you as scum right now.

What do you think about JieXian right now ? I mean, given that Eywa has flipped town.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 16:31 GMT
#2718
I'm starting to think that ghost and Hapa could be scum together. I'm quite surprised that drazak was town, and ghost has me as scum without even having caught up with the whole game. I find it strange that he didn't push me very hard yesterday and went away before the deadline, but he wouldn't care so much because the lynch yesterday was betweem town and town.
I need to read this game again to see if this team would work out.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 16:35 GMT
#2720
On December 24 2012 01:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 01:25 Djodref wrote:
On December 24 2012 01:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Scum bussing that hard also makes sense: He'll get all the votes and win powers. Be able to fakeclaim using powers and prevent town from checking/vetting up.


I'm also sharing some concerns about Hapa, because I know your scum meta, and I really don't fell like you are scum this game, so I'm really curious how Hapa can have you as scum right now.

What do you think about JieXian right now ? I mean, given that Eywa has flipped town.


I was convinced that one of Eywa/jx was scum (I didn't think that much stupid could exist in one thread, no offense JX :p).

No, you don't know my scum meta. I guarentee you I wouldn't play even remotely the same as i did against you that game. Sorry about that lynch btw. Debears told me to do it. I hate meta cases anyway.

JX could very well be Hapa's scumbuddy. But that could also be Kush, Ghost, hell even you haha. But overall I'd consider him to be fairly townie per that play last night


The thing is you have played only one scum game so far until this game. I don't see your scum game improving that much since that last game. Also, you being pissed off at Eywa looked very genuine. I can definitively understand your feelings wrt him and also you spend a lot of time fighting with him with passion, and I don't see a scum player doing that, because he would have known that Eywa was town, so I imagine less confrontational.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 16:41 GMT
#2723
On December 24 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote:
I'm starting to think that ghost and Hapa could be scum together. I'm quite surprised that drazak was town, and ghost has me as scum without even having caught up with the whole game. I find it strange that he didn't push me very hard yesterday and went away before the deadline, but he wouldn't care so much because the lynch yesterday was betweem town and town.
I need to read this game again to see if this team would work out.


You mean Eywa not Drazak right?

Could be imo. I don't think JX because he was screaming HAPA CC SCUMTEAM GG E-HANDSHAKE POST GAME. If you look at Hapa's early play he does push both jx and kush. And you. Not DYH and not Drazak for lurking.


No, I meant Drazak. I accepted that both Hapa and Drazak/ghost as confirmed town, but I have some doubts right now.
I mean, drazak didn't look townie, and ghost didn't really change this impression. Or, JieXian/Kush is the scumteam.
I don't know, I really have some doubts about JieXian being mafia now that Eywa has flipped town, and Kush has done some scumhunting, even if it was misguided.
I'm kind of lost now, I need to read this game again, and I'll consider everything.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 16:43 GMT
#2725
On December 24 2012 01:40 ghost_403 wrote:
Alright, I'm out again for the rest of the cycle. Quick post:

I agree with Hapa. Djo is pretty much confirmed scum, IMO. I think my case against him is pretty good, and yesterday didn't make him look any better, especially considering that he never addressed any of the points that I made. Looking back at his filter, he tries to distract everyone else from the crux of my arguments. For example, his immediate reply to my case was
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 01:41 Djodref wrote:
@ ghost

I didn't tunnel kush all game. Go read my cases against him which he never adressed. I was trying to push my top scumread. And don't tell me that itit's not possible for him to be mafia.

Basically, he's defending his tunneling of Kush, which is not part of my case. My case is built around the fact that (a) he defended scum while voting scum, and (b) he refused to interact with the scum until forced by the town.

After that, I think that MrCC is a decent pick for scum. He spent all day fiercely defending Djo. If/when Djo flips scum, I think that MrCC is the next logical choice for a lynch. After all,
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 14:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Tick tock tick tock who is Djo's scumbuddy, Kush? Me? If Eywa flips town I give you permission to systematically lynch me and Djo the following two days and win the game. I am the only one who makes a Djo scumbuddy possible. Eywa is town, you can just lynch us and win.

There is no reason for you not to vote Eywa. Stop trying to push this mislynch.

Boom. GG.


@ ghost

Did you even read the whole thread yet ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 16:44 GMT
#2726
On December 24 2012 01:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also, the only other thing that could be besides us is Kush + JX (provided hapa is actually town). This doesn't hold much water, right? Kush did want to lynch JX a bunch of times, ya?


I only remember Kush wanting to lynch me, I'll have to check this.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 16:52 GMT
#2728
On December 24 2012 01:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 01:44 Djodref wrote:
On December 24 2012 01:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also, the only other thing that could be besides us is Kush + JX (provided hapa is actually town). This doesn't hold much water, right? Kush did want to lynch JX a bunch of times, ya?


I only remember Kush wanting to lynch me, I'll have to check this.


Well if we're right about Hapa / Ghost, Kush or JX will die tonight. Djo, who did you vote for?


D1, I voted for thrawn, DP and Cheese.
D2, I voted for Hapa and Cheese.

I prefer to speak about my D3 vote after the NK.
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