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THRAWN & MARV :______________________________________________________________________________________________________ On December 10 2012 10:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Given what Adam posted about thrawn's stance on self-aware millers claiming, I'm willing to rule out fake-claiming (town OR scum), so that leaves us with town joking or scum joking. Between those two, I'd say that thrawn is more likely town than scum. It seems that scum would be more afraid to jokingly claim something that's going to draw attention to him, if not by virtue of the claim alone then because it's not possible for him to even know that. On December 11 2012 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote: *snip* The case on jay seems to revolve around his lack of commitment to his "scumread" on thrawn based on the miller claim. First of all, I have to say - I don't find that to be particularly damning. *snip* But Vivax....Vivax is in here actively trying to put suspicion on me for having a townread on thrawn. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ On December 10 2012 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote: are you actually saying that I, as scum, in a game where millers aren't aware, because of my past experience in dealing with miller claims, fakeclaimed in order to get people to be extra confused about my alignment? I don't like that you're policy voting, but whatever sometimes emotions get in the way of logic. However I just can't understand the reasoning you're using to call me scum. This is a pretty accurate summary of what he has been doing. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ On December 10 2012 10:50 marvellosity wrote: we're like an hour in -.- pretty likely to be dumb town, especially coming from thrawn who was super-lurky as scum in Mario and I don't particularly see him pulling a stunt like that as mafia. On December 10 2012 21:59 marvellosity wrote: debears, I don't really get whatever your thing on Adam is. You seem to have a problem with him not immediately denouncing thrawn as scum or declaring him town. What's actually wrong with it?? It seems like you're manufacturing something out of nothing. On December 14 2012 12:11 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, picking up where I left off ^^ Now there's Djodref. There are more things I find scummy in his filter than BL, but there's also some things I find townier too. His vote on thrawn was bad and was kinda along the lines of falling into what Adam did. He questioned him repeatedly, and even when it should have been clear that thrawn was probably town, he still ended up chucking a vote on him. Tied into this is that he concentrated on wbg's random 80% number way more than seemed necessary. Generally Djo's whole handling of the Day 1 stuff with adam doesn't look good. On December 11 2012 11:11 marvellosity wrote: Tunkeg has done jack shit to make me think he's town which I love to lynch for on Day 1, but Adam has betrayed a scum mentality right there. ##Unvote ##Vote: Adamsomenumbers This is also the reason that Djo is probably town.Thrawn also agreed on finding him scummy. ___________________________________________________________________________________________ On December 11 2012 10:06 Adam4167 wrote: I found his initial opening to be strange as its not something I can imagine myself doing, so I wanted him to explain his motives behind it. He did, eventually and I can relate to hating the initial policy discussion. I find Thrawn most likely a town with a risky opening. I did what I did early game to try and get a reaction out of him, it wasn't entirely productive, but I have a tentative read on thrawn from it. On December 10 2012 11:55 Adam4167 wrote: That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions. Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category. Adams' vagueness is the nail in the coffin. Thrawn made the most ballsy scum move I have ever seen, and it backfired on their team by getting Adam lynched. So, first of all: + Show Spoiler + HAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT A FAILURE Kill Thrawn first, then decide if you want to kill marv immediately or at lylo to be safe. If you don't go for marv, you should probably pick between grush or BL. I have no time to post more analysis before I might die, I just came back from a dinner and have to depart tomorrow, so I hope I'm not gonna die tonight. If marv is really scum this game, which I believe, then my compliments for your play. Out of the three you're the hardest to estimate in regard to your connection with thrawn. Djo is probably not scum cause Thrawn agreed with me on him being scummy in the last pages (lol) when there's no chance he's going to be lynched. Z-Boson has been targeted by cases made by thrawn and VE at pretty close timings. Marv has been basically been an extremely agile guy, noone except me and Palmar even thought for a second about him being scum, but there are some interactions with VE that strike me, which I will post now. | ||
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On December 10 2012 10:46 VisceraEyes wrote: @ marv What do you think about thrawn? Your first post on the subject seemed to indicate suspicion, while your second seemed to elude to a more "stupid town" read. Which is it? And why are you playing like you don't give a shit? On December 10 2012 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Then I guess you don't care really about him explaining his motivations considering the town read and scum meta and such...except you did ask him to explain himself. SEHR INTERESSANT! ##Vote: marvellosity On December 12 2012 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm starting to think marv scum. Marvy baby you scum? On December 11 2012 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv Looks Town Marv looks like marv. AND WHILE THAT LOOKS DAMN GOOD, it doesn't look like town. At least, not to me....not yet. I'm strongly and vehemently NULL on Marv. | ||
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On December 11 2012 11:51 thrawn2112 wrote: Adam/debears early game I had the same initial reaction to adam's post that debears did. Here is the line that I think is the start of the conflict: Yes, that line does imply that adam is having doubts about thrawn's alignment. And no, adam does not commit to a read on thrawn. There is no reason to compare thrawn's play this game with his play from a town game unless you are trying to show similarities/differences and therefore some sort of meta based read. However I'm fine with adam not voting for thrawn. I'm even fine with him not wanting to call him scum at that point. It happened at a very early point in the game... I don't expect anyone to be that sure of a read at that point. Do I think debears is scummy for that interaction? No, he's simply did what adam was doing, which was questioning people over weak shit that happened during the early game. *This looks like he copypasted something not written by him lol.He's speaking of himself in third person hahah. Adam/debears "scumslip" I'm referring to this post. So what's going on is adam says he thinks debears is scum, and later says he thinks debears is misunderstanding posts. The logic is that if adam thinks debears is scum, he wouldn't think debears's problem would be that he's misunderstanding posts. Yet again I think debears is probably being overzealous because of two reasons... confidence and compartmentalization. If adam is town is he 100% sure about debears being scum? I'm assuming not, and when there is any doubt you always should compartmentalize your reads so that you don't make assumptions based off of unflipped players. (yes I know it's specific to the situation, but in general and especially on D1) On top of all of that, debears can be both scum and misunderstanding adam's posts. I see just about as many possibilities where it's a scumslip as where it isn't a scumslip, so I do not think it's a scumslip. (*LOL awesome logic, equal measure, different outcome?) Something that's been irritating me is the discussion about debear's vote for me. The actual vote itself and the manner in which he did it.... I'm leaning mostly null on but maybe just a little bit town. Djo... do you / did you realize that the matrix video was a direct representation about how debears felt about his vote? It was a joke video response to a question about a joke vote because of a joke claim. In fact, debears' reaction to thrawn's posts was what I was expecting from most people regardless of their alignment. You are questioning him for not engaging in the discussion, when it was (to me) obvious that he didn't find the discussion worth his time. I'm not seeing what's scummy about the first interactions between debears and thrawn. Palmer's video -his town group of debears/clarity/marv This might be what I agree with the most from the video, even down to the order of most town to most scum (clarity, debears, marv) Debears has been derping recently but not in a way that I think makes him scum. I've been getting a gut town read on marv because of how he jumped on me for being a jackass. I thought he was telling the truth about his opinion of my play. His overall involvement hasn't been quite up to my expectations but it's nothing extreme so I'm not worried about marv yet. When did you realize you were wrong? tldr -clarity/debears/marv are probably the people I'm least likely to lynch (*but he doesn't say he won't lynch Adam here lol) -the adam/debears conflict is interesting but I'm not convinced of either of debears' cases against adam and I don't want to lynch adam On December 11 2012 14:51 thrawn2112 wrote: wbg, when marv first voted for tunkeg I liked his case. I agree with yours too and I could lynch tunkeg tomorrow. What are your thoughts on marv voting tunkeg and recently changing to voting adam? On December 11 2012 14:56 thrawn2112 wrote: tomorrow as in after i go to sleep, wake up, and vote and atm i'd be opposed to an adam lynch if it was in opposition to say, a tunkeg lynch. i think a lot of the stuff about adam has been blown out of proportion On December 11 2012 17:28 thrawn2112 wrote: that's what I was getting at here, it just took a lot more words. I think it's more likely to be a scumslip than what happened between adam and debears On December 11 2012 18:56 thrawn2112 wrote: atm i'd rather lynch a lurker than adam On December 12 2012 01:56 thrawn2112 wrote: vivax's posts are annoying to try and read because he's an asshole to everybody and he accuses lots of people of being scum without following it up. but my read is that it's townie asshole-ness I don't like the jay lynch. It was ok earlier on but now it just looks like an obvious mislynch. somehow 3 people are voting for him? I dont understand those votes. I don't like adam as the lynch either. Here is the series of events I see.... He asks a question about my meta. Other people have brought up that this doesn't have to be bad but it's at least pointless as he can look at my meta himself. However I don't think that anyone has pointed out until now that his very next post was directly about my meta, and it specifically referenced a game that was not linked to by anyone in this thread. Regardless of his alignment he at least did the work so that point against him is invalid. Not only is it invalid but I'm actually getting a town read from it. Can scum do this? Sure, but my read from this specific situation is that town did it. Another point against him is his mindset when talking to debears... but tunkeg has done the same thing and it's more extreme of an example imo. Other than that, there is a weird tone to adam's posts that will make me not be surprised if he's red, but I don't expect that to be the case. (*hahahahaha fail) I'm thinking about a tunkeg or maybe a lurker lynch. I don't like any of the other lynches too much. On December 12 2012 05:25 thrawn2112 wrote: debears, why are you so irrational and emotional this game? On December 12 2012 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote: how does everyone seriously feel about a lurker lynch? On December 12 2012 08:01 thrawn2112 wrote: marv do you feel good about the adam lynch? On December 12 2012 08:10 thrawn2112 wrote: what does everyone think is the most damming part of the adam case? I don't buy the stuff about the scumslip. I think the most interesting part of the case is how he took the early game stupidity too seriously. + Show Spoiler [this post] + On December 10 2012 12:45 Adam4167 wrote: He announced in thread to be voting for Thrawn, but the vote never made it into the voting thread, then he builds a case on me around not voting on someone that I had said I wasn't sure of the alignment of. Ill be watching him closely today. On December 12 2012 09:35 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm not in favor of the adam lynch but i'm even less in favor of lynching jay instead of adam. i'll go for adam if it comes down to adam vs jay On December 12 2012 10:51 thrawn2112 wrote: but are you scum? so now it seems natural that among thrawn, boson, and djodref, each of them should be expecting to find at least 1 scum between the other two..... unless any of them think that all the scum were bussing adam, which thrawn doesn't Third person again. Also thanks for the nice acting in the end marv + thrawn, if one of you goes the other does, too. Scumteam was super active opposing the Adam lynch in earlygame, just look at VE. | ||
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VEs interactions with Z-Boson led me onto the wrong tracks regarding him. I shall thereby not be led by scum in my beliefs. I would like to know if marv could achieve the same results with a smurf account. I noticed that so many townies are afraid of pushing against him. He deviates arguments so effectively by either provoking or asking questions that make you think he's town when you try to answer them. Z-Boson was kinda lurky until the end. Still a really good play in terms of invisibility The only ones making cases on you were VE and thrawn I think. When I tried to join VE on the bandwagon against you he immediately called me out for scummy bandwagoning, I think that's indicative of it having been a fake case, in retrospect. He should have been glad to have people on his bandwagon, instead he did the opposite. Well, fuck me, I could have seen it and made the connection.. | ||
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I just don't get what you thought during the last night post. You put a pyro in there, and...he locks the door behind us. As for the VE lynch, I've learned what turnips and cloth pegs means. | ||
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