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Hello everyone !
I've been inactive lately because it's the week-end and Christmas is coming soon. It appears that I'm a good lynch candidate for today so I'll try to fight my mislynch the best I can.
I also think I have a good grasp at who are the remaining mafia players by elimination. I'm not going to focus too much on my defense today but I would like you to try to be as much as objective as you can when you read my posts. Don't get confirmation bias get into you because I'm going to flip town at the end of the day and you are still going to have to find the remaining mafia players.
I require everyone to make a clear and concise post giving the own reasons they have to vote me.
If you are town, you might look bad after my mislynch if you sheep me mindlessly.
If you are mafia, we are going to show that you are full of crap.
For example, let's look at jaybrundage latest vote on me. He gave no reasoning of his own for this vote. I've asked him several times to make a list of the main points he has against me (after he was supposed to check my filter again) but he has failed to provide it so far.
It's also worth noticing that he never delivered his Clarity case when he was voting Clarity.
Jaybrundage vote right now is unacceptable and I encourage you to pressure him (because I'm not in a good position to pressure anyone today) to give his own reasons.
I'm going to give you my town reads in my next post.
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Let's have a look at the remaining players list- jaybrundage
- thrawn2112
- grush57
- Hapahauli
- Bluelightz
- marvellosity
- Vivax
- Djodref
- VisceraEyes
- Z-BosoN
I have already explained my town reads on Marv and Vivax in this post + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2012 17:56 Djodref wrote:
Disclaimer: Important Read Post
WBG beautiful bluff
So, there is something important that some of you may have missed. Just before being shot, WBG did this: and then Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 09:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 13 2012 09:33 debears wrote:On December 13 2012 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 13 2012 09:28 Palmar wrote:On December 13 2012 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok palmer, was that wbg stuff for real? he's scum, lynch him Palmar 2 good how did you know I was scum Palmar? I'm curious, cause no one has ever caught me like that before. Your play and personailty this game is vastly different this game really? how so? I'm really curious to know this, so I can improve my scum play for the future.
At this point, only the mafia team could have known that he was lying about his alignment.When I read this, I thought, "ok, bugs was really scum, Palmar imb4, gg mafia, time to concede noaw". So I think we can get very valuable information from the reactions of the people present in the thread to WBG's last move. Town players were going to react like me, I mean that they are going to fully believe Bugs. Mafia players were going to feel awkward in front of this fakeclaim, and maybe avoiding participating at this point.
Marv
For example, marv is certainly town, due to this post, which I cannot see as anything but genuine. This is the reaction to expect from town marv. @ VEWhat do you make of this one ?
Vivax
Vivax reactions look also quite townie. I think I was wrong about him. He looks to have a carefree town style. Please check all page 65 to see Vivax's reaction as he gets uber-sniped and the his WBG's eulogy. Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 09:41 Vivax wrote:
But actually, I can see a scum Bugs fit in there too. Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 10:00 Vivax wrote:
I'll rather remind myself to swear less in future posts, it's even getting boring for myself. Sorry for that, I think it's addictive to post so many insults on TL and get away with it :> .
Anyway, Bugs' initial play looked so damn townie to me I didn't even bother reading on. You looked pretty pro-town there, I'll give you a props for that.
Palmar?
I'm not so sure what to think about Palmar's reactions. I like this one Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 09:34 Palmar wrote:On December 13 2012 09:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 13 2012 09:33 debears wrote:On December 13 2012 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 13 2012 09:28 Palmar wrote:On December 13 2012 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok palmer, was that wbg stuff for real? he's scum, lynch him Palmar 2 good how did you know I was scum Palmar? I'm curious, cause no one has ever caught me like that before. Your play and personailty this game is vastly different this game really? how so? I'm really curious to know this, so I can improve my scum play for the future. Stop trolling me. Because he is anwering to a post that even wasn't addressed to him at the first place. But this one a just pure back tracking.Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 09:47 Palmar wrote:
This doesn't prove you're scum, just means there's a good reason you need to die. But, still, I don't see scum Palmar posting this, if he knew that WBG were going to flip town. But still, posting this after flooding us with "Bugs is scum" posts is quite bad. I don't know what to think of this post. Another thing speaking for a town Palmar is this post Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 10:47 Palmar wrote:
It's also very legitimate that Bugs jailed Marv, seeing as he had basically decided very early marv was town.
Marv gets some relief because of how early he joined the Adam wagon, but I'm not completely sure on him. But it makes very little sense to go for him now.
Dabears is also pretty clear.
I don't think that scum Palmar would have forgot who was NKed. So, all in all, still leaning town on Palmar but I don't think he took this game very seriously until now... @ PalmarCould you start to play this game more seriously ? Like reading the thread for real and stuff ? By the way, I'm town, so I recommend you to reassess your reads because you are going to look bad if you keep lynching townies.
Clarity
All in all, I have a strong town read on Clarity. I don't see any reason to doubt his claim because it would have been stupid for the mafia to kill a potential mislynch. His reactions before and after the flip look really genuine as well. Anyway, I already had a town read on Clarity before all this so, yeah, Clarity is Vig. @ jayDon't be stupid, don't waste your time and ours, don't write this Clarity's case and come back to your senses.
Thoughts anyone ? Do you think it is far-fetched ? I think it's quite reasonable... @ HapahauliWhy didn't you comment on WBG's confession just before the flip ?
I believe that Vivax is town. His whole interaction with Clarity looks genuine, and the general feeling I got from his posts is that he is carefree. He doesn't really care when people are suspicious of him, which shows a townie mindset. He might be wrong sometimes and also stupid, but he that's because he is spammy and all over the place.
Even if he has some suspicious posts wrt Adam, his general posting style indicates that he is town. Plus you have this post + Show Spoiler [blackborad] +On December 11 2012 03:07 Vivax wrote:Here, I have some explications on a notepad advertising rectal gel. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/k9gNk.png) That reminds me that you've pressured thrawn a little at 10:18, marv, but quickly lost interest. So what's your opinion on him?
Marv is town because he convinced Palmar that his lynch was better than Palmar's lynch. As I'm town, I don't see why marv would have pushed Tunkeg lynch over mine if he was mafia. He has shown that he was really trying to figure me out and him doubting that I was the best lynch yesterday shows that he really cares about this game and who is getting lynched. Moreover, his reaction to WBG bluff looks really genuine, as well as his interactions with Palmar.
I have also a strong town read on thrawn. Him derping at the beginning at the beginning of the game, the general tone of his posts, his activity level, his case against Z-Bo, all this is indicating a town thrawn. Moreover, thrawn has almost no experience as a mafia player, and he was pretty obvious, detached and lurky, in the Mario Mini Mafia game.
I believe that Z-Boson is town, but this read is less strong than the other ones. His defense against thrawn's case just sounds right. He has shown some good scumhunting and good cases. I would like him to invest himself more in this game because he is a good town player who usually find the mafia.
I believe that Hapa is town. I know you don't like Munk-E behavior but I don't think that a mafia player would blatantly go after a town WBG like that, if he knew WBG reputation. Moreover, Hapa knows my meta pretty well and he has correctly identified me as town and defended me, when there is no mafia benefit to do that, given that I'm a potential mislynch here. I'm really curious to see what he is going to do today though 
So, by elimination, I have the remaining scum in jay, VE, Bluelightz and grush. No wonder that Clarity has been NKed ^^
I'm going to present extensive cases against all of them today.
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I anyone has a problem with my list, at the exception of the mafia players of course, please let me know.
Z-Bo, what do you think about Vivax reaction to WBG's bluff ?
I would like to know if anyone has a town read on jay !
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On December 16 2012 21:09 Vivax wrote:
You know, your arguments about marv are that he pushed Tunkegs lynch over yours, and that he replied to WBGs bluff. I think putting yourself as obvious town isn't correct, you should assume that noone knows you're town when you argue in this situation. Also, you like spewing around "I'm town" a lot, it's getting inflationated.
I know I'm town and we know for sure that Tunkeg was town. Why would a scum marv pushing a town lynch over another one ?
I didn't have time to make the cases this afternoon. I'm getting to it now...
And, yeah, I'm town, and you're wrong about me. I'll keep saying it until the end because it's just the thruth.
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On December 16 2012 21:15 thrawn2112 wrote:djo's first question to me was: What on earth is the possible town purpose behind this question? I didn't understand it at the time and I still don't. His next statemen about me (same post) was this: Show nested quote +"My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it." That looks like a town read... doesn't say town exactly but it directly goes back on the original premise that djo gave for me being scum. Lets look into all possible worlds where djo is town, thinks thrawn is town, and asks if thrawn read the op before making the claim:
You are reading to much into this. I wanted to know if you knew that everybody was going to take this as a blatant fakeclaim or not.
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Cool story bro,
Palmar was wrong about WBG and was wrong about me as well...
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Viscera Eyes
Being stupid on purpose
I'm convinced that VE is scum. My case is going to boil down to the following points- Not pushing is scumreads, not following up on them, not really interacting with them
- Discrediting marv for free
- Being stupid on purpose
- Following the thread trends
Part I --- VE and his scumreads
Vivax
On December 11 2012 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
*snip*
"But VE, who would you like to lynch today?"
Calm down bish I'm getting there. Based on what I'm seeing, I think Vivax and Palmar could be scum together. First of all, Vivax has this problem with my interest level? Goes so far as to throw times of posts into the mix to appear that he's carefully watching the thread...except, Palmar has shown that he not only doesn't care about the game, he doesn't care about his own alignment in the game.
Unfortunately, I've seen Palmar do this as town, so I'm not putting much stock into Palmar's end of it. But Vivax....Vivax is in here actively trying to put suspicion on me for having a townread on thrawn. Literally. I even explained in detail why I thought thrawn was joking, which by the way, he was by his own tongue.
I think Vivax is trying to fake contribution. I think he's trying to appear active while doing nothing of value. He claims that in spite of his "analysis" of my actions, he'd STILL vote for thrawn, based on the stale-ass fake-claim. I'm calling bullshit.
##Vote: Vivax
This is D1. VE is voting Vivax for a weak reason. Anyway, he says then this
On December 11 2012 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
*snip*
Vivax Doesn't Look Scummy
Screw you buddy, yes he does. I'll show you.
*snip*
Does he ever mention Vivax again after this ? No. Not at all. Not a single time. He drops him completely. Even when Z-Bo and me posted case against him. No interest in Vivax anymore.
Jay
After defending Jay at first against Clarity's case. VE, following the thread mood, posts his own case against Jay.
He doesn't push a jay lynch. Instead, he consolidates on Adam with no reason.
On December 12 2012 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm willing to vote jay over Adam.
But he keeps voting Adam, even when I'm proposing a counter wagon on Jay instead.
Anyway, the most interesting part is that he drops Jay totally after that.
On December 15 2012 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 04:30 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 15 2012 04:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marv is at least 100% the player you are Tunk.
Djodref I want to lynch ZBo but would settle for Tunkeg. What do you think about BL and jay currently? That's the hard question I didn't study for :/ I fell asleep writing my Djodref analysis last night and both Bz and jay were on the list of filters I wanted to get to. Jay has rubbed me the wrong way all day and now he's pushing candidates I like and without fear of going against town sentiment...need to filter. Blue is...hard to remember much of. I know I didn't like your initial case but I can't recall like anything of his play since. Need to filter. And I'm phoneposting. So yeah...have to get back with you.
Did he forget that he had jay as scum or what ? Please also note his lack of interactions with Jay through the game.
Z-Bo
So, after him going totally derp against Clarity, VE is suddenly attracted by a Z-Bo lynch. Out of nowhere.
Does he do a single thing to get his lynch. Not at all. He lets Tunkeg gets lynched.
My conclusion is that VE doesn't really care about who is getting lynched. He produces some cases from time to time but there is no follow-up, no interactions with the people he made the cases against to figure their alignments. He doesn't case because he is mafia.
Part II --- Discrediting marv for freep
Here we go. VE has stated at least twice that he is thinking that marv is scum. Does he confront marv on his reads ? Does he go after marv with a case ? Is he serious about it or is this pure discrediting ?
On December 10 2012 10:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
@ marv
What do you think about thrawn? Your first post on the subject seemed to indicate suspicion, while your second seemed to elude to a more "stupid town" read. Which is it? And why are you playing like you don't give a shit?
On December 12 2012 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote:I'm starting to think marv scum.  Marvy baby you scum?
Great job ! If marv is really town, as I think, he is spreading suspicions to undermine the positions he could take.
Part III --- Being stupid on purpose
VE went after Clarity D2. He has been passionate about him. Clarity necessarily was the scumvig.
I've asked him several times to write a case against Clarity to show that he was scum. He has failed to do it.
Scum doesn't want to contribute for real in the thread. Scum wants to tell you a story, a believable story. Like this story of a stubborn and stupid players going against reasonable and simple logic to tunnel a townie, using speculation and bad arguments.
On December 13 2012 18:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
I missed that in the hullabaloo.
1) That means nothing because this is a semi-closed setup. There could be more than one town vigi, so the counterclaim thing is not relevant. There's little risk in a scum Vigi claiming a shot he ACTUALLY took because we have no way of knowing if they're scum or town.
2) Why would Mafia vigi one of the stronger town players? So he can't defend himself and avoid the lynch? Maybe turn it around on one of them? Scum removing a vet from the game in a NON LYNCH situation is actually extremely strong.
I don't believe a single instant that VE was serious about Clarity. He didn't push his lynch with a real case. He just kept saying over and over again that he was the scumVig.
The mafia motivation is clear here. You go pants on head, nobody can get a clear read out of this. You avoid to contributing for real, so you don't out yourself or your team.
VE is not stupid, Clarity's filter was really looking town. There was not way he was the scumVig.
Part IV --- following the thread trends
People start voting jay D1 ? Let's make a case against him !
Jay is being stupid and goes after Clarity ? Let's do the same !
Thrawn made a case against Z-Bo ? Hey, me too !
Adam is a serious lynch candidate ? Let's vote him over jay !
Tunkeg and Djo are lynch candidates ?
On December 14 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar, as long as it's not me, I'll vote for whoever you tell me to. Clearly no one is interested in lynching the scumVig, so I'm trusting YOU to find his teammate for us to lynch today.
For what it's worth, I'd lynch into Tunkeg, Djo if I couldn't lynch Clarity. Djo for his attempts at counterwagoning the scum lynch, and Tunkeg for his interaction with Bugs. It's clear that Bugs was not going to let Tunkeg go, and I'd bet anything that's why scum killed him.
But like I said, my vote is yours. I'm proven bad this game. Fix it.
Please note that he defends me shortly after
On December 15 2012 00:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar, I was scum with Djodref in Looney Lynching and his play in that game was much more timid and submissive - his response to pressure was completely different and he repeatedly played the newbie card.
Just throwin that out there in case you lied and are actually reading my posts.
Comments ? Anyone ?
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On December 16 2012 22:05 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 21:47 Djodref wrote:
Cool story bro,
Palmar was wrong about WBG and was wrong about me as well... WHY HELLO WE HAVE FOUND A LIE! (Considering we have no solid info like a DT check or shit)
I'm town, Palmar is dead. He thought I was mafia. He was wrong about me. You'll see unless you know it already.
Just start to contribute for real, ok ?
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On December 16 2012 22:25 Vivax wrote:Thrawn, I disagree on Boson and hapa. Can you drop them for a second and assume that your townread on marv might be wrong while going through his filter?Some more analysis of VE would be appreciated aswell, he actually was the first to speculate a scum vigi, but trying to dump it on clarity aswell...And quickly retreating when it didn't gain interest. Probably the best case against djo so far: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=81#1613This post by Palmar would actually be reason enough to vote for djo, although Palmar refers to it as policy lynch, for lying and trying to stop the lynch. Maybe djo has only been sloppy, but he really had no interactions with Adam I actually have no clue if I should vote for him. I have to reconsider VE, marv, BL and jay aswell. Jay going so superlurky lately and voting like an opportunist stinks quite.
@ Vivax
Honestly, you shouldn't care so much about marv.
If he is town, he is certainly going to be killed soon.
If he is scum, he is going to bus his team mates at one time or another.
What do you think ?
Also, his interactions with Palmar are really genuine, and his reaction to WBG bluff as well. I don't know.
I'm glad that you want to reconsider today's lynch.
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On December 16 2012 22:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
I recently went read through the voting thread several times and one of the things I picked up was that marv's adam vote doesn't look like a scum vote. I also liked his read dump during the night cycle even if I didn't agree with everything in it.
VE is.... hard to talk about. He, bl, and grush are the people we have the least information about. When I go through his filter I never find anything that convinces me he's scum. when he brought up the possibility of adam's vig claim hinting that clarity could be a scum vig I actually got a town read from it because I had the exact same thought when I was going back through adams' posts. I didn't mention it because thinking about things from town clarity's point of view made more sense, but VE got some town points from me for that.
What about how he drops jay after wanting to lynch him during D1 ? And Vivax ?
Why didn't he try to switch the vote to jay with me ?
Why didn't he bring a serious case against Clarity ?
Did you feel like he was really trying to weigh in like you when you wanted to lynch Z-Bo ?
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Another thing speaking against VE.
What is the common things between these people ?
WBG
Tunkeg
Palmar
The are town, the are vets, they are dead, they wanted to lynch VE.
On December 13 2012 09:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
no, fuck you. go read my posts.
kill tunkeg BL and VE and consider killing Palmar if his reads still suck ass.
Tunkeg spoiler
"In other word follow your leader, Palmar, even if he dropped the ball on this one, and got talked around by the most overrated player on TL Mafia. He won't do it again this game. Follow him for the rest of the time he is here. Also lynch VE and Hapa."
Palmar
On December 16 2012 09:37 Palmar wrote:
VE may be a better 1st lynch than djodref
On December 16 2012 09:40 Palmar wrote:
Due to the how certain it is he's scum.
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BlueLightz
The fact that we have failed to lynch this guys when he has given absolutely nothing to make us think that he is town is speaking against him. How come that it is not possible for us to agree on lynching this guy ?
BlueLightz has shown absolutely no scumhunting, absolutely no interest on who was getting lynch. Too obvious to be scum ? The answer is no, we have to get rid of him...
Here is a compilation of BL's best quotes
On December 12 2012 01:45 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 01:42 marvellosity wrote:
BL, do you still think jay is the scummiest? Losing confidence in his lynch, so I switched to Adam because it will probably be the lynch (barring any new cases while I sleep) and because of the reasons I have listed.
On December 12 2012 20:40 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 20:39 Palmar wrote:
Hey bluelightz, you down for killing bugs tomorrow? I'm fine if there's a consensus on bugs.
On December 15 2012 09:02 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 09:01 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 15 2012 08:59 Bluelightz wrote:On December 15 2012 08:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
BL, you're still around. How about you give us some of your reads? As I can recall zero of them and would have to look at your filter to even remember any of your stances. Nill scum reads today. Looking at Tunk right now... grush57 is really useless though but I guess we can save him till after today. You and Palmar I think are town. Well that's just great, I'm sure someone will present you with a participation award shortly. Frankly I don't care when I do participate. My challenge is just not getting mislynched while looking at scum.
Note that he doesn't want to get lynched first...
On December 15 2012 09:09 Bluelightz wrote:
Ah fuck this conversation. So, ##Vote Tunkeg. Tunk doesn't really need consolidation or any of that but I don't care. Can't give my own reasons on this one (complete sheep).
On December 15 2012 09:10 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 09:07 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 09:02 Bluelightz wrote:On December 15 2012 09:01 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 15 2012 08:59 Bluelightz wrote:On December 15 2012 08:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
BL, you're still around. How about you give us some of your reads? As I can recall zero of them and would have to look at your filter to even remember any of your stances. Nill scum reads today. Looking at Tunk right now... grush57 is really useless though but I guess we can save him till after today. You and Palmar I think are town. Well that's just great, I'm sure someone will present you with a participation award shortly. Frankly I don't care when I do participate. My challenge is just not getting mislynched while looking at scum. Well in Rockband, you posted some cases and were trying to do something. This game... not so much. Not very spirited this game.
On December 04 2012 23:06 Bluelightz wrote:
/in
IM BACK BROS :D
How could you lynch me over this guy ?
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Among VE, BL and jay, I feel the most confident in a VE lynch.
BL has to be lynched at some point, and he has good chances to be scum (elimination process).
I'm less sure about jay. I can bring up a case against him if you ask me to, but I would like the focus to stay on VE and BL.
I should also on the spotlight, and I'm ready to defend myself "becs et ongles".
I strongly request anyone voting me to give a short list of their main points against me. You cannot get lazy and vote me as a mindless sheep or for bad reasons. Check my filter again and ask yourself if I'm really mafia. Please !
##Vote VE
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On December 17 2012 04:02 grush57 wrote:
Hey!
##Vote: Djordef
VOTE HIM NOW EVERYONE.
GOGOGOGO
@ grush
I request you to give me your list with your main points against me that would justify your vote on me.
I would appreciate to see original thoughts.
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In fact, I would even like to see you build a case for a change.
It's my wet dream
Could you realize it for me ?
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On December 17 2012 08:40 Vivax wrote:
It's a possibility. I could imagine a 2 shot vigi + rolecop setup by now, since we didn't see any roleblocks N2, that against a Veteran, a JK and a vigi.
Maybe we didn't see any roleblock N2 because the JK is dead ?
Did you consider this possibility ?
@ marv
What do you think of my case against VE ?
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grush,
I really want you to make your list.
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I also want thraw and especially jay to make their lists...
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On December 17 2012 09:29 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 09:23 Djodref wrote:
grush,
I really want you to make your list.
Naughty. I checked twice.
Come on, grush, it's once in a lifetime !
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On December 17 2012 09:46 jaybrundage wrote:
Marv your seeming to forget. That after adam got lynched. I wrote a case up on djo. Which has a lot of the same points as palmars case.
Lets killl him its been too long since we killed scum.
Yeah, you also said once that you were going to review my filter and you never made a constructive comment on me since.
I'm just asking for a list with your own main points against me.
On December 14 2012 11:39 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 11:30 Djodref wrote:
@ jay
Can you make me a list with your main points against me ?
@ thrawn
Could you do the same ?
What would be your tentative scteam ? I already have. I'll look thru your new posts later and see if they still support you being scum.
So, what about my new posts ?
By the way, why are you buddying with marv ?
Could I have your reasoning for why you think he is town ?
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