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On December 15 2012 14:51 Clarity_nl wrote:You mean aside from the fact that he parked his vote on zbo for 20 hours while doing nothing at all and then showed up last minute to hop on the wagon D2? His extremely scummy day 1 that I pointed out in my first case on him. Nothing about him is town, everything about him is scum. "I've had bad experiences with easy bandwagons in other games" Yeah, lynching town D1 happens. If he truly cared about not being on easy bandwagons he would've ignored thrawn and looked elsewhere, but his entire focus was on Thrawn. + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2012 13:26 Clarity_nl wrote:Jay is total scum yo. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey guys just finished work ten hour shift zzzz.
Reading up so far. It appears. That thrawn either made a pretty big scum slip. Or maybe he just made a big mistake as town.
There wasn't any point to claiming miller. As if anyone read the OP (as they should it) they would know millers arent self aware.
So first your lying. I only seeing this make sense as scum. If you didnt know that miller was self aware. Then your thought process is that you self claim miller. A you can waste a DT check. Or make DT's ineffective against you.
As town i see no reason to lie about your role. Please give your reasoning. Because as far it doesn't make any sense.
Also I thought the point about debears. Posting a video to not enage in conversation was interesting. Not a scum tell or anything. But a video wont help us find scum some good solid conversation will. Okay, so you call him town or scum, then you call him a liar which only makes sense as scum (your words) This is your first post regarding thrawn's "miller claim" Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:32 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 10:29 thrawn2112 wrote:All the people in the past, present, and future who ask why I lied about being miller..... can go and read this post. If they don't like it then they can just continue reading it because that's all I've got to say about it. You tried to brush off bears vote. And then when the whole thread is asking you to explain you dont give an answer. Ok heres my thought of process. IF you dont wanna get lynched today your gonna have to try harder then that. If your a town player then your gonna have to put some effort in your defense because as it is I could totally see my self lynching you.
I dont wanna start an early easy bandwagon. But your making a pretty good case for your self why your scum. Here you call him town again, but you "could totally see yourself lynching him" You also add you don't want to "start an early/easy bandwagon". Why not? You think he's scum, right? No wait you think he's town.... So you're threatening to start a bandwagon on someone who you think is town because he's playing anti town? Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly. Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers. Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective Wait... never mind. He's scummy again, there is no other explanation than him being scum!!!!!! Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 12:27 jaybrundage wrote:
I swear to god if thrawn doesnt explain him self. Hes the most anti town player i have seen in a while. Frustrating really. I am only hesitant to vote him because i dont like early bandwagons in general.
It hurts the conversation and shit to read if we all are voting the same person. Regardless of how unlogical his claims maybe (for town). Thrawn can you please drop your sharade and just attempt to explain your reasoning. Or as i said before your gonna get lynched Oh my god you guys he's playing so anti-town!!!!! I AM SO ANGRY, EXPLAIN OR GET LYNCHED, I DONT WANT TO LYNCH YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE TOWN!!!! Chronological order of Jay's comments: - Could be town or scum - He's lying, only makes sense as scum - He's probably town, but I want to lynch him - He's totally scum, I'm just not voting for him because it would be an easy bandwagon!- He's playing super anti-town! Thrawn please shape up because I'll lynch you if I have to! Some questions for everyone to answer: - Why does Jay think Thrawn would be an easy bandwagon? - Why does Jay care if Thrawn is easy to lynch or not, if he truly believe he was scum? - Why does Jay flip-flop so hard from town/anti-town/scum in the course of a couple of hours, without thrawn saying anything that would change his perception? I'll answer them all for you, Jay is scum. ##Vote jaybrundage
I understand that I didnt help town for yesterday. I had alot of stuff on my plate. I still have some catching up to do threadwise. But ill try to push my reads, and try to be more active. Sorry guys.
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I would be down for a djo lynch.
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I support a Djodref lynch.
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Marv your seeming to forget. That after adam got lynched. I wrote a case up on djo. Which has a lot of the same points as palmars case.
Lets killl him its been too long since we killed scum.
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On December 17 2012 09:59 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 09:46 jaybrundage wrote:
Marv your seeming to forget. That after adam got lynched. I wrote a case up on djo. Which has a lot of the same points as palmars case.
Lets killl him its been too long since we killed scum. Yeah, you also said once that you were going to review my filter and you never made a constructive comment on me since. I'm just asking for a list with your own main points against me. Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 11:39 jaybrundage wrote:On December 14 2012 11:30 Djodref wrote:
@ jay
Can you make me a list with your main points against me ?
@ thrawn
Could you do the same ?
What would be your tentative scteam ? I already have. I'll look thru your new posts later and see if they still support you being scum. So, what about my new posts ? By the way, why are you buddying with marv ? Could I have your reasoning for why you think he is town ?
All my old points still stand. I havent made a post about your new posts. But im sure they are pretty scummy too.
Why do you say im buddying with marv. I never said he was town. You would know if he was town tho cause your scum right nice slip.
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On December 17 2012 11:05 Djodref wrote:
Please notice how jay is pushing my lynch !
-> not so strong, right ?
Please notice how he ran away from the questions I've just asked him !
-> so who is more likely to be scum and town between him and me ?
Just to be clear i think it would b a mistake to lynch anyone but you;.
Palmar wanted you dead for good reason.
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On December 16 2012 09:17 Palmar wrote:
VisceraEyes cannot be anything but scum at this point. If this is his new town game, I hate it, because the VE I knew and loved was loud, didn't take shit, took random leads and stabs at people. This chilled back non-active VE is either his scum play, or some shitty ridiculous new town meta.
Djodref is almost certainly scum, the resistance to his wagon on day 2 was just ridiculous for someone who got caught lying like a retard. I have zero understanding of why anyone who is town would even consider not lynching him. It's strictly the wrong play not to kill him. He must be killed or this game is lost.
Jaybrundage has very little to defend him, but there's just so many people that need much more attention than him in this game. He could very well be scum, but after killing VE and Djodref you guys should have a clearer picture to look at. don't let scum push this false wagon.
I feel more confident in my Djodref lynch. I think his diverting attemps day 1. Also the crazy resistance to his lynch day 2 are likely cause he is mafia.
Also Palmar was having trouble reading VE.
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Z-bo right after Palmar says that. He then goes on to speculate if VE could be town. He wasnt as confident in that read as he put out.
Regardless its not just Palmar's reasoning that I want to lynch Djodref. Hes been scummy for a while.
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On December 12 2012 13:50 jaybrundage wrote:Ze Case on DjodrefSo from the begginging Djo hasn't done much. He gave some filler posts about thrawn. Soft defended adam the entire game. Sheeped on me. Then Sheeped on Tunkeg. Tried to get a policy lynch on grush (joking always has a bit of truth to it) He attempted to explain his thought process with thrawn. He then started defending himself from Z-Bo. While still not wanting to lynch Adam wouldn't wanna kill his scum buddy. Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 01:21 Djodref wrote:On December 12 2012 01:02 Z-BosoN wrote:On December 12 2012 00:51 Djodref wrote:@ Z-Boson+ Show Spoiler [for reference] +On December 12 2012 00:28 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:@ Z-Boson1) First of all, you're wrong and you have failed to show what goal my actions would serve if I was scum. I'm going to help you to read my posts because you obviously didn't understand where I was going during the early game. On December 10 2012 09:37 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 09:22 debears wrote:
##Vote thrawn
I reject your reality and substitute my own Hello everybody ! @thrawn Did you seriously not read that millers are not self aware ? @debears Are you seriously willing to enforce a "Lynch all Liars" policy ? My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it. Debears, you are jumpy as both alignments, but I wouldn't expect your town self to post a video instead of engaging the discussion to get this game rolling. FoS debears 2)My problem with debears early vote was not that it was a vote following a LAL policy but rather the seriousness of this vote. I've assumed that it was a vote for sparking discussion because this was the early game and the atmosphere was quite carefree at this time. Nevertheless, thrawn calling out debears on his vote against him would have been a good starting point for a real discussion but debears chose to post a video instead of this. The problem was not the video itself, but more what he did not do instead. Anyway, this was an early FoS, and also an attempt for me to spark some discussion.And when debears implied that his vote was not serious (which I knew because he didn't use the voting thread to vote thrawn), I wondered why debears would throw early mindless votes like this, and I wanted him to explain this as well. All in all, I think that he didn't really care about what he was doing, and I don't read anything of it. I don't like how debears is focused on Adam so I didn't remove my Fos on him so far. 3)Regarding thrawn, I wanted him to explain his move. I didn't see this coming from a mafia player, but still, I wanted him to explain his motivations for it. And then thrawn goes like On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible and then On December 10 2012 10:29 thrawn2112 wrote:All the people in the past, present, and future who ask why I lied about being miller..... can go and read this post. If they don't like it then they can just continue reading it because that's all I've got to say about it. which was pretty stubborn and stupid. I used a pressure vote (which didn't work) to get him talk, regardless of his alignment. And he deserved this pressure vote. When I unvoted him, I was expecting him to explain himself as putting himself in a position where he is going to get some pressure, especially mafia pressure. So, yeah, it matches its town mindset. And then, Clarity came in this thread with a case worth sheeping, so I sheeped. At the light of Clarity case, jay was more likely to be scum than debears. But now, as many people started to participate overnight, I'm going to update my reads. 1) Yes I have. I mentioned "scum getting lost in the sidetracks", because that's what's going on. You are trying to make it seem like you are contributing, when in fact, you are not. More on that later. 2) I don't buy this. You assumed that it was a vote intended to spark discussion, because it was in early game and had a "carefree" atmosphere, made by debears. You then pressure FOS debears to make sure he sparks discussion as his townie self. Then, he goes after adam, and you keep the FOS because you disagree with his case?? You can disagree with his case, just like you did somewhere, but that is only warranted of your suspicions is if you think it's fake comes from scum. Yet what do you do? You go on to drop debears entirely and go around asking questions about other aspects of the game without taking a proper stance yourself. 3) This still doesn't make sense. Why in gods name are you so interested in thrawn explaining himself, if you think he's town??. Why did you pressure vote him, whom you had a town read on, instead of going after debears, someone you've made quite clear you don't like the play this game?
Also, to those who aren't feeling Djo, notice his complete lack of scumhunting in this game. Here's a summary of his entire play this game: - The whole debars/thrawn extravaganza I've already gone over which makes no sense.
- Probing WBG's weird logic on palmar.
- Giving munk-E a questionable town read
- Flock of non-conclusive questioning and a ton of fluff.
And that's IT. Zero stances, zero cases. It's scum feigning contribution. 1)So, basically, you are saying that I couldn't keep my story straight. And that shows that I'm scum. I would say that I've been inconsistent as townies can be inconsistent. Basically, my FoS on debears was not a very serious one (like all early FoS are) and I didn't feel like I had to follow it up when thrawn put himself at the center of the attention. 2) I was disagreeing with debears view on Adam and I still disagree with it because I think he is exaggerating some points. But debears has done nothing to deserve a vote. So I don't see why I should have not the right to use my vote on thrawn to pressure him. And yeah, I was leaning town on thrawn when I voted him but I needed his explanations for his miller claim to assess my read on him. 3)Putting pressure on thrawn was fulfilling two goals. The first one was to help me to assess my town read on him when he was going to reveal us his "plan". It was kind of obvious he was going to say something like this but I was interested to know how he was going to present things, and he did say almost exactly what I expected. The second goal was to show him that he was putting himself in a bad situation and that he should better explain himself asap so that the thread could move on to another subject because all this situation was a bit stupid and not helping us to have constructive discussions. 1) Scummies are more likely to be inconsistent than townies, so it's a small tell, but still a tell. What bugs me is the logic you had regarding debars/thrawn I've already went over.
2) Wait a minute. Bolded part. Whatever happened to: On December 11 2012 13:01 Djodref wrote:
I've watched Palmar's video and I've changed my mind a little bit about your interactions with Adam. As a result, I would lean town on you and slightly scum on Adam but I'm not yet sold on him being scum.
The latest "scumslip" is not a scumslip in my opinion because it would have been one if he was totally sure that you were scum, which doesn't look to be the case.
The fact that he dropped you is reasonable but it's not very indicative of his alignment because it was the best thing to do as scum and as town. I'm waiting to see where he is going to go with Vivax but I think that jay is more likely to be scum than him at this point.
Still not keeping your story straight. You say you lean him being town, now you lean him being scum. Worst of all, where is the reasoning, where is the justification for this??
3) It's counter-productive. You are wasting time reassessing a "town-read" you had, and you STILL are flimsy and not moving on: On December 11 2012 13:12 Djodref wrote:On December 11 2012 12:54 thrawn2112 wrote:debears could you respond to the question I asked you at the bottom of page 22? It's in the last post on the page sorta near the bottom of my post. Djo: bleh I've probably waited too long to ask this, but I'd like you to go back to this post. When did you write it in relation to the post you made right before it? Was it one right after the other, did you make them simultaneously, did you write the 2nd one first but post the 1st one 1st, etc. please be as specific as possible @ thrawnThe two posts you are talking about were independent if you are talking about these. On December 10 2012 15:31 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 14:52 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.
I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out.
@ jay
It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ?
As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big.
##Vote jay
I like Clarity's points on jay, and clarity seems to satisfactorily have jay covered. I'm gonna work on Adam/whoever I feel like So, I guess you are satisfied with your vote on Adam right now. According to me, Adam has been pretty clear on his stance on thrawn and I disagree with you about him: I don't see anything to blame him for right now. I'll let you do what you feel like but I'll voice my concerns if you seem mistaken. For example, right now, I feel like you should better vote for jay instead of Adam. On December 10 2012 15:34 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 14:53 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 14:34 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 14:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
So someone makes a big case on you and you react by saying "glad someone is reading my posts"?
It's not that you don't put your vote where your mouth is, it's the REASON you don't vote. You shouldn't care what's easy and what's not, all you need to care about is who is scum, and try to get your strongest scumread lynched.
I would love it if you linked some games in where you claimed this has happened to you. I would also love it if you walked us through a scum thrawn's reasoning for doing what he did. Lol is my reaction not what you expected  Wait a second, the reason i didn't vote is because i don't feel i have too. A vote doesn't mean anything till the end of the cycle. I have been going after thrawn and trying to get him to respond to me. And get some kind of explanation from him. However he has yet to respond to me. THRAWN STOP GAWD DAMN IGNORING ME. And yes i do care if the lynch seems to easy. Because then from my experience, its likely a bus or a townie were killing. I'll try to find the games if i can. Its been almost a year tho. And i already gave you a scum reasoning to do what he did. On December 10 2012 10:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey guys just finished work ten hour shift zzzz.
Reading up so far. It appears. That thrawn either made a pretty big scum slip. Or maybe he just made a big mistake as town.
There wasn't any point to claiming miller. As if anyone read the OP (as they should it) they would know millers arent self aware.
So first your lying. I only seeing this make sense as scum. If you didnt know that miller was self aware. Then your thought process is that you self claim miller. A you can waste a DT check. Or make DT's ineffective against you.
As town i see no reason to lie about your role. Please give your reasoning. Because as far it doesn't make any sense.
Also I thought the point about debears. Posting a video to not enage in conversation was interesting. Not a scum tell or anything. But a video wont help us find scum some good solid conversation will. alright well I'm tired of the miller claim discussion so here's how it went down from my perspective. At first it was mainly a joke, but it was also intended to jump start discussion. + Show Spoiler +wow big surprise there right? Then people started taking it more seriously than I thought they would so I decided to be dickish about it in order to ignite further discussion. I actually don't mind being a potential mislynch, I think I'm better at discerning scum when they are trying to lynch me. I don't mind a bit of pressure during early D1 if it allows me to make better reads. Also.... anything is better than talking about lurker policy ffs @ thrawnIn fact, this is exactly the explanation I was waiting for you. I remembered this post from our previous Looney game when you were going to be mislynched at MYLO. On October 20 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
Cuz I'm not scum u silly. Don't worry I love being mislynched. It's the part of the game where in the past ive figured out who is scum. So, did you manage to get any clue of who could be scum after analysing the way they treated your fakeclaim ? Regarding the post you linked, it was the conclusion I came to when I was asking myself why you were being stubborn and not wanting to explain your motivations for your fakeclaim. After my pressure vote on you, I was wondering why a town thrawn would put himself in such a situation and I remembered this post you made about how you liked to be pushed as a mislynched. So, I was ready to post it before your explanation because it was what I was expecting from you. But it was not prepared, just I knew where to find this stuff. It is a strange question. Could I ask you what you are going to do with this info ? What do you expect to hear? Are you still trying to confirm thrawn as town? Thrawn has been questioned twice already regarding this and the most he said was "bugs came out looking worse". This is another example of you fooling around trying to look like you are contributing, imo. 1)Okay, I'm just saying that it was the early game and that I didn't follow up my FoS on debears so much because it was not a very serious one. 2) I have Adam as slightly scum. Debears is convinced that Adam is scum. I would lynch Tunkeg and jay before Adam today, I would say that grush might even be a better lynch choice than Adam. This is where I disagree with debears. Basically, I'm not sure that Adam is scum because some points brought against him seem to be exaggerated in my opinion. I would prefer to let him live today so I can have a better read on him when the game goes on. 3)The conversation that you quoted has been initiated by thrawn and I was answering him. His first question was weird and I wanted to know why he asked me it in the first place, it turned out that he was still unsure of my thought process. I hope that things are clear between him and me now. This conversation was productive in my opinion. I'm not 100% sure that thrawn is town at the moment and it helped me to confirm my view on him. What would be the benefit of a scum Djodref to ask this ? Here he says hes willing to lynch Adam but in the same sentence discredits it. This is important tho. He states he wouldnt mind lynching Adam BUT THEN COMPLETLY FAILS TO DELIEVER when we need him.Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 01:45 Djodref wrote:On December 12 2012 01:25 Vivax wrote:
Fucking hell Djodref, stop writing a river, noone's voting for you.
Instead, tell us about your reads. Who is scum and who is town in your opinion? I think that Tunkeg is mafia, less sure about jay now. I wouldn't mind to lynch Adam but I'm not sure that he would turn out to be mafia. It pains me to see that all these players are not active right now because I cannot get better reads on them. I think that Clarity and thrawn are town, less sure about debears or marv but I have them as town as well for the moment. I have Munk-E has a very slight town read because he went directly after wbg when entering the thread but I thought he was a newbie at that time. I would like Z-Bo to move on so I can see what he thinks of other players than Tunkeg and me. For the rest of the players, I'm not familiar with them so they are in a grey area. Attemps a half joke on lynch grush who while hasnt done much has had decent reads imo Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 01:48 Djodref wrote:EBWOP: I wouldn't mind to lynch grush as well by the way  Tries a desperate attempt to save his scumbuddy adamShow nested quote +On December 12 2012 08:06 Djodref wrote:
Anyone up for a counter bandwagon on jay ?
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##Vote Jay He says he will vote for adam. But never follows thru!!!!!He is half claiming to be on the adam lynch but never wants to go with it. Saying he will vote or doesnt mind lynching adam when his actions differ completely. He had no intention to lynch adam his scum buddy Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 08:12 Djodref wrote:I'll vote Adam if I need to but I really don't think it's the best lynch for today... I've seen successful late (like 5 min before deadline) counter bangwagon in Mario Mini Mafia so it's never too late And when going for me shows no results he goes for Tunkeg. Another pathetic attempt to divert the adam lynchShow nested quote +On December 12 2012 09:23 Djodref wrote:
And, seriously guys, you still prefer to lynch Adam to jay after Adam's latest post ?
Counter wagon ! GO GO GO !
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##Vote jay
I think Djodref is scum. Thoughts? [/b][/b]
On December 14 2012 19:04 Palmar wrote:##Vote DjodrefWhen in doubt policy lynch. I'm not sold on a tunkeg lynch. Hapa is defending all the wrong people and I didn't like Munk-E from day 1, but I don't think I can reasonably attack him for scum without more information and analysis. The Bluelightz thing is another instance of someone whose only possible defense is being too scummy to be scum. I'm not gonna defend him based on that, and I wish we could like quadruple lynch today. I'm also very wary of VisceraEyes. But, in the end, I'm kinda confused because so many people are playing like retards. Jay's Clarity&Palmar are scum theory is so out there that it's almost lynchworthy, but hey, apparently it's okay to be retarded and thus make the game 10x harder than it should be.
And so, I'm voting Djodref. I am suggesting a lynch on Djodref for three reasons: 1. Attempting twice to go after another player over AdamThe only defense for Djodref here is that he's too scummy to be scum. The theory is that no scum would so openly and ridiculously blatantly attempt to derail a scum lynch. It's a valid point, but maybe Djodref knows that? Here's his attempt to go after Tunkeg: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17206691Here's his attempt to start a wagon on Jay: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17210095I would like to additionally point out that both these attempts come after Djodref claims to be slightly leaning scum on Adam: Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 13:01 Djodref wrote:
I've watched Palmar's video and I've changed my mind a little bit about your interactions with Adam. As a result, I would lean town on you and slightly scum on Adam but I'm not yet sold on him being scum.
The latest "scumslip" is not a scumslip in my opinion because it would have been one if he was totally sure that you were scum, which doesn't look to be the case.
The fact that he dropped you is reasonable but it's not very indicative of his alignment because it was the best thing to do as scum and as town. I'm waiting to see where he is going to go with Vivax but I think that jay is more likely to be scum than him at this point.
Generally people don't go so much out of their way to protect their scumreads? 2. Defending flipped scum repeatedly, yet never seeing any reason to interact with said scumDefending someone you think is town is fine. The problem is that generally you have a good reason for defending them. The fact that Djodref never tried to directly interact with someone who clearly was a pretty strong townread at the time looks kinda bad. I have a serious problem with this. Head to Djodref's filter, look at how much he talks ABOUT adam, but never TO adam. Coincidence? Maybe. But it's enough to raise alarms for me. Here's a link to his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=284165¤tpage=AllHere's a link to my post where I checked all the people he interacted with: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=172249513. When I asked about this strange lack of interactions, Djodref directly lied to me.Lynch all liars is a good policy. I think we should enforce it. Djodref's lie can be seen in the following posts: Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 20:52 Palmar wrote:
I also find it intriguing you never once addressed Adam, yet you have 93 instances of his name in your filter (including inside quotes). You directly interacted with both Tunkeg and Jay. You also attempted to counter-wagon Adam's lynch using both of them as targets. Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 20:59 Djodref wrote:
I was persuaded that jay and Tunkeg were mafia yesterday and far less sure about Adam. The lack of interactions with Adam could be explained because I was a bit wary of the debears/Adam interactions and didn't want to step in. After, I went sleeping and Adam went lurking.
I didn't feel the need to interact with him yesterday, that would be my best explanation. But this is clearly false. As Djodref was indeed more than comfortable with stepping in to defend adam, as can be seen on multiple occasions in his filter, and I showed an example of three such posts in this reply to his explanation: Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 21:03 Palmar wrote:List of Djodref not stepping in debears/Adam interactions:On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.
On December 10 2012 15:31 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 14:52 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.
I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out.
@ jay
It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ?
As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big.
##Vote jay
I like Clarity's points on jay, and clarity seems to satisfactorily have jay covered. I'm gonna work on Adam/whoever I feel like So, I guess you are satisfied with your vote on Adam right now. According to me, Adam has been pretty clear on his stance on thrawn and I disagree with you about him: I don't see anything to blame him for right now. I'll let you do what you feel like but I'll voice my concerns if you seem mistaken. For example, right now, I feel like you should better vote for jay instead of Adam. On December 10 2012 19:59 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
Could you explain me how Adam implied heavily that thrawn was scum ?
Could you show me a post where you think his reaction was forced ?
I don't think that posting only post from a previous post-game to show an apparent contradiction is really using meta. Adam just pointed out a contradiction.
To be fair, he did claim he forgot about those posts. I don't believe a word of it.
Djodref, your time has come. You are a protector of filth, and a liar. The good people of Liquidia shall see you hang in the name of justice. ##Vote Djodref
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I'm not trying to convince you that your scum.
I dont know why you expect me too.
If anyone else has any comments on my case and the case I stole from Palmar lets hear it.
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Hmm I dont think VE is scum. In fact i would say that im pretty dam postive VE isnt scum. Seeing how easily this lynch is going.
And considering that my vote isnt on VE and they already hit 7. This isnt a bus. This is a Mislynch. Switch to Zboson plz.
##Unvote
##Vote Z-Boson
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If your townie it should be obvious that this lynch is going way to fucking easy. The adam lynch was extremely difficult to get . This lynch how ever is going so easily. Switch to Z-Boson. I rather have no lynch then mislynch VE
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Ok we have ten people left to vote. If marv is right about 4 mafia then we have 7 town and 3 mafia left.
That means that out of the 7 people that voted VE 1 of them is mafia. As i as town have not voted for VE
There is no reason to bus VE as Djo was a easy option considering if hes town.
Also if VE is townie that means that there are 2 scum on this lynch.
So therefore we shouldnt lynch VE cause 2 scum on on VE's lynch wagon
Any questions?
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Marv i dont care who we lynch but it cant be VE hes not scum.
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I rather have a no lynch then a mislynch.
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Lets go people GTFOFF of VE
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Guys its fucking math. VE isnt scum. I dont care if we dont have a lynch. But it should be obvious if you read my post that hes not scum
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Why the HELL WOULD I AS SCUM BE TRYING TO STOP A VE LYNCH. HES EITHER A TOWN AND IM THE DUMBEST MAFIA PLAYER EVER. OR HES SCUM IN WHICH CASE I WOULD JUST BUS HIS ASS.
BUT if im town. And then that means that the fucking math makes perfect sense. VE ISNT SCUM
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EPT
