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On December 12 2012 16:39 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 16:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
Tunkeg, let's go into a fantasy world for a second.
In this fantasy world, neither of us thinks the other is scum. Who is scum then? There is no such scenario. To find the remaining scum one would need to connect the dots between you and Adam. This will require some rereading. So given you are scum I don't have an answer atm who the rest of the scumteam. I will not speculate in anything where I have to assume you are not scum, because it is irrellevant, as I am certain you are scum...
LOL
cool story bro. Even if I am scum you can't name anyone else?
Jesus you're bad at this game.
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On December 12 2012 16:37 jaybrundage wrote:
WBG what do you think about my case on Djodref
I haven't read it, but I don't think Djo is scum. I'll read it when I have time (probably some time tomorrow.)
I have to go sleep/study for my exam tomorrow morning.
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my play is clean, so I'm scum...the fuck?
I could play like a retard, but no one likes when I do that.
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On December 12 2012 18:01 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
my play is clean, so I'm scum...the fuck?
I could play like a retard, but no one likes when I do that. "Clean" in the sense that you're not taking any risks. You're not going out of your way to comment on multiple players or make additional reads - you stick to a case on a player who looks like a lynch-bait candidate throughout D1. The reality is that I hold vets to a higher standard. Your play doesn't read like a wild and engaged townie - it looks like scum trying to blend in. If you're town, it's on you to prove it in the next few days.
How have I blended in when I made probably the strongest counter case to Adam? I didn't have to do that. If I was scum and wanted to blend in I could've just bandwagoned on what was clearly the easiest lynch of the day and taken massive town cred by bussing Adam. Instead I chose to pose an alternative because I actually took a stance on someone other than Adam. Everyone found him scummy. I found someone else scummier. And, in fact, Tunkeg's play is still quite erratic.
Secondly, the thing I absolutely hate about this type of jubjub logic is that it only makes sense when you don't think. Why are people attacking me? Because I was the only notable person who didn't hardline against Adam. This is confirmation bias. We saw a scum flip, and now everyone thinks that anyone who was late to the wagon or considered killing other people is scum. Sure, that's normal when there's resistance, but when there was never any resistance to begin with usually it's the people who sheep without reason who are the scum bussing. I.E. VE. I actually had concrete reasons to be voting Adam and I was one of the first players to make my opinion on him clear. The fact that I ultimately chose not to vote him is actually not scummy, because trust me, I'm pretty fucking lazy as scum.
So, think about it for a second. You think I'm scum and you apparently hold me to a higher standard than other players. So, what exactly have I done that is not up to your standards? I'm not taking risks? You don't need to take risks to play town! In fact, taking risks is full on retarded as town. I don't think anyone on this forum understands how I operate as scum, seeing as everyone and their mother accuses me of wildly different things as both alignments. I'm notoriously "hard to read" because my play doesn't boil down to "lazy as scum and active as town" unlike the vast majority of other players.
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On December 12 2012 18:23 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 18:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
The fact that I ultimately chose not to vote him is actually not scummy, because trust me, I'm pretty fucking lazy as scum.
I'm notoriously "hard to read" because my play doesn't boil down to "lazy as scum and active as town" unlike the vast majority of other players.
so you are lazy as town or is one of those statements wrong?
nah I'm lazy as scum.
I just don't look lazy.
Just look at how hard I trolled Storm Mafia, for example. It doesn't take much effort for me to troll a game, but I post a fuckton more than as town.
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On December 12 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote:
Hey look guys, here's some perfect logic:
Bugs didn't vote Adam, so he must be scum.
I'm completely serious, I will tunnel the fuck out of him tomorrow.
go for it, noob.
If you're town, you really are just nothing more than a noob for thinking I'm scum.
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On December 12 2012 18:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 18:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 12 2012 18:01 Hapahauli wrote:On December 12 2012 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
my play is clean, so I'm scum...the fuck?
I could play like a retard, but no one likes when I do that. "Clean" in the sense that you're not taking any risks. You're not going out of your way to comment on multiple players or make additional reads - you stick to a case on a player who looks like a lynch-bait candidate throughout D1. The reality is that I hold vets to a higher standard. Your play doesn't read like a wild and engaged townie - it looks like scum trying to blend in. If you're town, it's on you to prove it in the next few days. How have I blended in when I made probably the strongest counter case to Adam? I didn't have to do that. If I was scum and wanted to blend in I could've just bandwagoned on what was clearly the easiest lynch of the day and taken massive town cred by bussing Adam. Instead I chose to pose an alternative because I actually took a stance on someone other than Adam. Everyone found him scummy. I found someone else scummier. And, in fact, Tunkeg's play is still quite erratic. Making a case on lynch-bait isn't "sticking out" by any measure, and I have no idea why you're representing your play as such. Also, these "I would have done this as scum" arguments ring pretty hollow.
So you think no one stuck out on d1 then?
Adam was pretty fucking obvious lynch bait. He just happened to be scum. Being lynch bait is not alignment indicative, it's just indicative of playing like shit.
On December 12 2012 18:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +Secondly, the thing I absolutely hate about this type of jubjub logic is that it only makes sense when you don't think. Why are people attacking me? Because I was the only notable person who didn't hardline against Adam. This is confirmation bias. We saw a scum flip, and now everyone thinks that anyone who was late to the wagon or considered killing other people is scum. Sure, that's normal when there's resistance, but when there was never any resistance to begin with usually it's the people who sheep without reason who are the scum bussing. I.E. VE. I actually had concrete reasons to be voting Adam and I was one of the first players to make my opinion on him clear. The fact that I ultimately chose not to vote him is actually not scummy, because trust me, I'm pretty fucking lazy as scum. People aren't attacking you because only you didn't go after Adam. You haven't been very active, and you've spent most of Day 1 tunneling lynch bait.
I haven't been very active?
THE FUCK? I have been far more active than probably everyone else in this game. Yet, you call ME "not very active"? LOL.
On December 12 2012 18:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, lazy as scum? From what I've heard, you're one of the better scum-players around these parts.
Being good at something doesn't mean it takes effort. I'm not even good at scum anyway.
On December 12 2012 18:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +So, think about it for a second. You think I'm scum and you apparently hold me to a higher standard than other players. So, what exactly have I done that is not up to your standards? I'm not taking risks? You don't need to take risks to play town! In fact, taking risks is full on retarded as town. I don't think anyone on this forum understands how I operate as scum, seeing as everyone and their mother accuses me of wildly different things as both alignments. I'm notoriously "hard to read" because my play doesn't boil down to "lazy as scum and active as town" unlike the vast majority of other players I'm not saying that everyone should take "risks" by pulling a Thrawn and claiming miller. But townies (especially veteran townies) will stick their neck out and try to comment on a bunch of things, make reads, tunnel multiple players... etc. When I say you haven't taken any "risks", you haven't done anything but tunnel lynch-bait.
Name one thing I haven't commented on this game.
What have I been avoiding in discussion?
Nothing you say is backed up by any evidence, it's just a load of shit. You're just saying stuff with tinted goggles and trying to fit your preconceived notion of my alignment to actual evidence. The problem is that there is no evidence ,so you're just making things up as you go along.
If you're town, try setting aside your preconceived notions about my alignment. Go read my posts this game in context. Go read posts from my most recent game.
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also it's straight up stupid to try to comment on everything day 1 when consolidation is the number 1 priority.
Think about it carefully. Why do you think I was so opposed to lynching jay? Why do you think I questioned Palmar's motivations when he told me reads that didn't make sense to me? (i.e. the tunkeg, jay, djo, me reads etc.)
if you really think I'm avoiding commenting on things then you're probably not reading the game very carefully.
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On December 12 2012 18:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 18:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 12 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote:
Hey look guys, here's some perfect logic:
Bugs didn't vote Adam, so he must be scum.
I'm completely serious, I will tunnel the fuck out of him tomorrow. go for it, noob. If you're town, you really are just nothing more than a noob for thinking I'm scum. Oh shit you hurt my feelings. But are you not the noob for not supporting my case on Adam? Oh wait, you're not, because you're scum. I mean after all we can conclusively prove that I was right.
keep it coming noob shit
On December 11 2012 13:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
Ok, caught up on the thread. Today I had a final and tomorrow I have 2, so I'm not going to be around very much. I'll try to consolidate my thoughts briefly but here's the basic summary of my initial thoughts:
I'm almost completely certain that all of the scum are being fairly passive. Adam, Tunkeg, Vivax, Bluelightz are all good leads IMO. I would have said Zbo earlier, but I have my doubts now given how he posted later (though he didn't improve by much, it was enough).
I'm gonna get on my computer in a minute so that I can actually quote stuff I found noteworthy.
On December 11 2012 19:10 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 18:44 Palmar wrote:
So yeah, the more I read the more I'm convinced that this is the correct route to take.
##Vote Adam4167
Everything about his game seems slightly off, and I think it's the better lynch between him and Jay.
In fact, I think my other lynch options at this point would be WBG or Djodref (who has basically disappeared). yeah I'm fine with killing Adam if Tunkeg isn't getting lynched. I'd prefer Tunkeg obviously but Adam's #2 on my list.
On December 11 2012 22:30 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 21:21 Palmar wrote:
Out of curiosity, if you had to guess right now, what would your guess be? not like it really matters, but probably: Tunkeg Adam Munk-E one of ZB/VE/you/BL I feel very strongly that among the first 3 there are at least 2 scum. I don't think I am wrong about more than one of them, because Tunkeg + Adam in particular don't play like this as town from what I know. .
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anyway I'm out for the night.
In case I'm not back in time:
someone protect Palmar, he might be a noob but he's probably town.
vigis hold your shots unless you feel like shooting Tunkeg or VE. + Show Spoiler +or, shoot me so I don't have to keep fucking around defending myself against idiots
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okay, this bullshit needs to stop.
There are at least three incredibly scummy posts that pretty much just went by completely unnoticed, or at the very least were noticed but ignored.
They were made by Bluelightz, Tunkeg, and VE, all of whom I think are scum at this moment.
Working backwards:
On December 13 2012 01:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like, what if Bugs is town and scum were going to shoot Bugs overnight, but in comes the cowboy!! That's a big hypothetical obviously, at this point I agree that Bugs is probably scum. But you see what I'm saying.
Also, you two being all buddy buddy without me hurts my feelings. Maybe I'll just be buddy buddy with Hapa instead!
HI HAPA! WELCOME TO THE GAME! I THINK YOU'RE WAAAAAAY BETTER THAN MARV AND PALMAR! AND SOOOO MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE TOO!
This post is basically just VE buddying to marv and Palmar, pointing out the obvious (that Hapa looks much townier than Munk-E) and then doing exactly with me what he did with Adam and some other "reads" he has mentioned throughout the game. He casually sheeps the building sentiment toward lynching me, without any sort of justification, and without any sort of prior inclination toward this idea. He has no fucking opinions of his own. Try this: ask yourself what VE has done this game. What opinions has VE had? What has he pushed? Can you summarize what he has done in this game without looking back at his posts?
I think you'll find that, in general, the towniest players are those who you can describe their play in the context of the current game in a general sense without even looking at their posts. Their contributions are instantly recognizable and they are memorable because townies don't explicitly try to blend in like this.
also I just got ninjaed by this:
On December 13 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
jaybrundage, wherebugsgo and Bluelightz were all Adam's "probable scum" reads in his reads post.
I don't believe that Adam, in a desperation act, called out three people on his team. Therefor, it is my opinion that at least one of wherebugsgo, jaybrundage and Bluelightz, probably two, are town.
This puts me at a crossroads because I had both wherebugsgo and jaybrundage as most likely scum before the flip.
@Clarity Re: Bluelightz Case -
Going back and reading it again, I don't like it very much. It's strewn with true statements (scum care about how they look more than town, Bluelightz calls X strange instead of scummy, etc) but has too many suppositions for my liking. For instance, why is Blue calling something strange instead of scummy alignment indicative? Why can't it just be strange? Why does the fact that he found further reasoning for voting Adam NECESSARILY mean that he cares about looking like a sheep? Why can he not have just found further corroborating evidence and posted it?
To be honest, I'm not sure what I think about Bluelightz myself, but your case isn't convincing me of much - only that Bluelightz is playing, as marv said, like Bluelightz. Sorry I didn't respond sooner, but work, lynch, sleep, etc. I liked it before the flip - not so much after the flip. Especially considering Adam put Blue as one of his "probable scum". Of the three people I mentioned at the top of this post, I think Blue is the least likely to flip scum. Not saying much considering I think jay and Bugs have VERY HIGH chances of flipping scum, but Blue's the least likely in my opinion.
This post is bullshit.
Bluelightz is not playing to his town meta, but jay is! I am town. I feel strongly that jay is town. Given that Adam flipped scum, scum are in a position to preserve themselves. I would not doubt if they actively defend each other from this point onward simply to stay alive.
This furthers my idea that Bluelightz + VE are scum together, but obviously that can't be shown until one of them actually flips. Certainly I think Bluelightz is more likely to be scum though, since I am notoriously bad at reading VE. However, I haven't gotten to that yet, so here we go:
On December 12 2012 20:40 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 20:39 Palmar wrote:
Hey bluelightz, you down for killing bugs tomorrow? I'm fine if there's a consensus on bugs.
This post is shit, and it was pointed out even by Palmar himself.
I'm going to make this assertion: Bluelightz doesn't want to find scum himself and is more concerned with the momentum of town sentiment. At the moment, plenty of people want to lynch me. I am town. Bluelightz is fine with that and is not concerned with actually establishing a read on me. Why? Because he's probably scum and doesn't give a fuck because he knows I am town.
Further evidence:
On December 12 2012 21:26 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 20:44 Palmar wrote:
uh...
I asked are YOU down for killing bugs. I don't care what the popular opinion is. Personally yes I am. His obsession with supposed chance on you seems to me like an easy reason to lynch someone.
He picks the one thing in relevance to PALMAR specifically even though in the context of the thread it's almost irrelevant to my alignment. This is buddying, and pretty shitty buddying at that. The simple fact is, I would pressure Palmar regardless of alignment because I have played with Palmar a lot. I'm fairly certain Palmar himself knows this, and I'm certain Bluelightz does as well. The fact that he uses this, even though it was clear to anyone reading the thread that I was not actually going to lynch Palmar just based on some preliminary gut read, as a reason to call me scum (as THE reason, in fact) is incredibly damning.
It was painfully obvious that my vote on Palmar was intended for pressure and not an ultimate lynch vote. So why construe it as different? Again, it comes back to the idea that Bluelightz is not interested in finding scum, and is not interested in establishing his own reads either. He's certainly not that stupid, as I've seen him contribute as town in the most recent games I played with him.
On December 12 2012 23:15 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 22:23 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2012 21:26 Bluelightz wrote:On December 12 2012 20:44 Palmar wrote:
uh...
I asked are YOU down for killing bugs. I don't care what the popular opinion is. Personally yes I am. His obsession with supposed chance on you seems to me like an easy reason to lynch someone. Hi BL. Is this really the main reason you'd be down for killing bugs? Also: + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 21:34 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 18:01 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 12 2012 17:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Also he pretty clearly doesn't assume your town, since he pressure-votes you later down the line. No, he thought I was town the whole time. His first read on me was: "My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it." The other issue is him asking why I did it and pressure voting me to find out. He later says the town motivation he thought I had was that that I was hoping to attract pressure from scum. This was based on a post I made from looney. So if he thinks I'm trying to attract scum attention, why would he vote pressure me so that I'll announce it to the thread? @ thrawnI didn't know what the fuck you were trying to do at first when you said "not explaining why I did this at all". At first, I was expecting you to simply admit that you wanted to spark discussing with this obvious fakeclaim but I didn't understand why you went into that "not explaining anything at all mode". I pressure voted you because I was still not so sure I had made the right choice at that time (i.e. town move or lying scum) and I wanted you to explain yourself for the following reasons: - If town, you would have better off stopping this ASAP imo, because people would have voted you for lying and being anti-town for not explaining yourself. Also, if you were baiting mafia, it was going to be far to obvious, so it didn't matter so much for you to "come clean".
- If scum, it would have been better to force you into posting more shit
Then, I thought about the comment you made in the Looney Game... This is the kinda post I was talking about off-timing with the thread. Honestly it's the only piece of dirt that makes WBG suspicious to me, besides his defense of Adam ofc. If there is a solid case on him I'll be sure to read up though.
Confirmation that Bluelightz is not interested in actually forming his own read on me. Notice the choice of wording: "I'll be sure to read up on a solid case if one exists." He doesn't bother to say that he's going to read up on my posts, and he's certainly not saying he's going to do any work of his own. He's saying that he might consider sheeping someone.
So how is he willing to lynch me based on one thing, and one thing alone? It doesn't fucking make sense. It doesn't add up. Townies don't lynch people off singular, alignment-null tells. They lynch people when they are convinced someone is scum. Bluelightz does not seem particularly convinced that I am scum, and yet he is willing to kill me.
How the fuck do you people not notice this shit?
Lastly, Tunkeg:
On December 13 2012 00:18 Tunkeg wrote:
If we have a vig he should definately put a cap in WBG's ass. If we have a jailkeeper he should definately protect Palmar. But even if protected the chance is that scum got a vig and will double stack Palmar. WBG dies tonight or tomorrow, but Palmar who should we kill day 3?
Another case of extreme buddying. Tunkeg is clearly not interested in finding scum and I made this case earlier. He doesn't have reads, he doesn't want to make reads, and he is not approaching the game with a town mindset. A townie accepts the chance that he may be wrong. Only scum and particularly arrogant players (like Palmar, and I don't believe Tunkeg is one, from what I have experienced playing with him) will say things like this.
He is trying to line up lynches. So what happens tomorrow? We lynch me, and nothing else happens? no discussion? No reads? Nothing? I asked Tunkeg who would be scum if I am not. He did not answer, saying that it did not matter. I then asked him who would be scum if I am scum. He didn't answer that either. Why would a townie refuse to answer such questions? Why would a townie have 0 reads at this point in the game, given that a scum has flipped?
In particular, I have NEVER seen a town tunkeg have 0 reads at this point in the game. If he is indeed town his play has reached a new level of pathetic low. For his sake and for the sake of town itself I hope that's not the case. It's far better for me to assume he is scum, since I just cannot fathom how any townie, no matter how bad, would not have anything more than one read 60+ hours into the game. (not to mention his "read" on me is nothing more than OMGUS backed up by absolutely fuck all)
I'm not going to put much weight behind Tunkeg's comments on dumb people, since that can be interpreted a variety of ways depending on your predisposition toward Tunkeg's alignment. I personally found it as an overcompensation for the "aggressive townie" stereotype, but it could mean almost anything and I do not think it is particularly alignment-indicative.
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On December 13 2012 03:27 Vivax wrote:But well, the more I think about my last post, the more circlejerking it becomes. Depends on how ballsy scum plays.I sure didn't defend my sucmbuddies in my last scumgame. Anyway, I found a massive scumslip by WBG: + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 18:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Being good at something doesn't mean it takes effort. I'm not even good at scum anyway.
wut?
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On December 13 2012 03:39 Vivax wrote:
Shit, Buggy, you are a vet, you don't need to post this much to defend yourself.Anyway, that post was just a joke.
On a more serious note, I will look at you more thoroughly when I'm back in 2 hours.
Although I will add to your defense that Bluelightz' post regarding you really sucks, it's like he felt forced to give an opinion while in truth he had no fucking clue what to think about you.
actually, I do, given that I think the majority of the players in this game are stupid enough to repeat what happened last game. It already seems to be happening, given that most of these very same players are willing to lynch me.
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On December 13 2012 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bugs you right...me trying to lynch jay like all game is the same as not having an opinion of my own. Spread lies elsewhere...I won't let you do it with me.
You don't even read my fucking posts when you're town because you think I'm a fucking joke so thanks for just CLAIMING scum to me. That makes things easier tomorrow for everyone.
oh, you mean that massive derail I pointed out was nothing but a bunch of horseshit?
Yeah, I read that. It was a nice attempt at a derail, though. I'll give you that.
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VE if you're town, then some things are confusing me.
Have you ever played with jay before?
Why did you post this:
On December 12 2012 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 09:07 Adam4167 wrote:
Alright, seeing as I am the leading vote getter today, Ill get some reads out for you guys so my death isn't a complete waste.
Obvious town to me:
Palmar, Clarity, dabears, Marv, Thrawn and Vivax.
Jaybrundage
Jay is lurky when he plays scum, and right now he's fitting the bill. In Arkham City I fell into the trap of thinking that he was too scummy to be scum, and largely ignored him for the entire game until he obviously fakeclaimed and outed himself. This game he looks mostly the same here, ultra lurky, and non-contributive. He's jumped onto my wagon with the reason of " Id rather lynch bluelightz, but I don't want a no lynch". Probably scum.
Bluelightz
Bluelightz is another one that ultra lurks when he is scum. He was literally afraid to post in Student mafia after replacing in and just sat around in the scum QT. His play in Aperture mafa as scum was similar to his play this game, he throws out a couple of reads and then lurks until someone takes an interest in him. Probably scum.
WBG
He looks to be bending his reads to please palmar, which is never a good sign from someone as headstrong as WBG. Look at his attitude towards myself, early game he has no problem with my gameplay, after declaring nobody in the thread looks suspicious and turning his attention towards the lurkers. Then, palmar posts his video and I become a suspect, he adds me to his list of scum targets, but with flimsy reasoning and 'meta' but would still rather push other people. Probably scum.
Tunkeg
Tunkeg is an interesting one. His emo routine after being questioned is not what I would consider 'townie', but his list of reads is at least somewhat helpful and actually looks somewhat similar to mine. I'd keep him alive for now, but keep an eye on him, as he so happily points out, we have no idea what to expect from his scum play. Mostly Null, make him work to show his alignment.
VisceraEyes
VE has mostly lurked today and really hasn't put much into this game. He's capable of this as either town or scum. He seems pretty content to sheep most of Palmars reads this game, something I wouldn't expect from him but I do like his case on jaybrundage. Mostly null, some small contributions.
Djodref
Djodref's biggest scum tell from Mario Mafia was that he did absolutely no scum hunting and sat around setup speculating even at LYLO. He's pushed some cases this game, which I consider points in his favour, but he's also back flipped his read on me as soon as Palmar mentioned both of us in his video. He's spent a majority of day 1 defending himself from bad cases, and I think he's capable of being a good contributing townie, leaning town on Djodref.
Anyone else that I haven't got to either wasn't memorable or isn't putting in enough effort.
##Vote Jaybrundage
GOD DAMNIT I FUCKING LOVE THESE READS!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ME ADAM?!?!?!
When there was nothing special in Adam's read post?
And lastly, why do you think I am scum?
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Until about an hour ago you would have characterized my attitude toward you as ignoring you, would you not?
I do routinely ignore you, and that's not any different this game. However, that doesn't mean I haven't been watching you play. I may be wrong about you but I think the way you've approached the game so far warrants me to stop ignoring you and actually call you out on it.
Also, would you like to present evidence for your assertion that I interact with you more as scum than town? Are you conveniently forgetting LI, where I tunneled you nonstop for 48 hours? Or Magic Mini, where I called you dumb for 48 hours? Or pretty much any game other than the one or two that I played after Magic?
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On December 13 2012 04:44 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 01:27 Djodref wrote:@ HapaCan I ask more details about how you went from this On December 12 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:Regarding DjoI'm not sure if anyone's brought it up, but I watched Palmar's video and was really surprised he skipped over one of his posts in his analysis: On December 10 2012 16:28 Djodref wrote:
@ WBG
If I take your word for jay and assume that you are not scum yourself, I'd say that I don't have huge concerns about anyone at the beginning of this game. Why did you single out Palmar among all the people who didn't participate yet ?
What about Bluelight, Z-Bo, Munk-E, Vivax and Tunkeg ? All of them scum by elimination ? The underlined bit is a very strange thing for a townie to say. Townies are a naturally suspicious folk, and a line of reasoning that assumes someone is not scum really goes against this mentality. Of course I'm not going to judge him on one post, but if there's anyone I could call a scum-read right now, it would be Djo. to this ? On December 12 2012 17:05 Hapahauli wrote:*snip* Djodref - This one probably needs some 'splainin. The shit that he pulled at the end of the Day 1 lynch in no sane way came from a scum player. He was really enthralled with this idea of starting a last-minute wagon on a player when it was clear that adam would be getting lynched. I can't see hypothetical scum Djo pulling stuff like this, since he would have known that Adam would flip red. The dynamics of the game suggest that Adam was bussed by scum in the later hours. Djodref's play is far too attention-whoring and suicidal to be from scum. In addition, there are posts like this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=13#260...where he displays a really convoluted thought process that I attribute more to town than scum. *snip* Also, I would like to know if you had ever read the Looney Lynching Mafia game ? Don't you feel like you are maybe the only one with a town read on me ? What do you make of it ? Sure thang, I changed my read when I caught up in the thread. In particular, I hadn't read the actions around the D1 lynch, and that's what convinced me you are town. Yes I loosely read Looney. I really don't care if I'm the "only one" with a town read on you, because I think I'm right.
it's like I don't exist or something
or I just exist to get called scum :p
+ Show Spoiler +hint: I've been calling him town since before you were even in the game
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On December 13 2012 06:30 Hapahauli wrote:
@ WBG
Throughout your recent day filter, you seem to be awfully trusting of me despite having some serious reservations about Munk-E. Care to explain?
He was fairly inactive and didn't say anything of substance. You're the polar opposite of that.
On December 13 2012 06:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Also regarding Paranoia, you seem to be pointing that "the same shit is happening" in your defense, but I fail to see the similarities in gameplay. At the end of Day 1 in Paranoia, you had just over 1 page of filter. I also think this quote is rather telling of your town mentality in that game: Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 15:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
it's always amusing when on day 1, every time I roll town, I get the same shit for the same stupid reasons. There is a pattern to how I play town: I don't say anything useful for almost all of day 1 because on day 1 I like to observe. That's why my opening votes are usually intended to create reactions, and while they almost always are intentional and on pseudo-scum reads when I post them, my day 1 reads usually change very very quickly.
It's also amusing that every time I roll scum no one calls me scum and then I get shot by some faggot 3rd party or a vigi who is scared of my scum play. So then I see things like this... Show nested quote +I haven't been very active?
THE FUCK? I have been far more active than probably everyone else in this game. Yet, you call ME "not very active"? LOL. ...which is super odd for two reasons. 1) you really haven't been all that active - you've had ~2-3 pages of Day 1 filter. That's far from "more active than... everyone else in this game". 2) It seems to go against your stated "town mentality" that you like to sit back, be less active, and observe the thread.
I like to observe on day 1. That hasn't changed, you can observe while posting. Clearly though I did something wrong last game, since I got lynched. So, this game I've been more proactive about that. (not like it's helping currently)
Also I tend to post a lot regardless of alignment so it doesn't really say anything. However 3 pages for day 1 is almost always a lot for anyone. I don't know what kind of spammy games you've been playing, but in most games I've played I've had the most posts or close to it-if you think 3 pages on d1 is not a lot, then clearly we have different definitions of active. (I'm also curious as to where you are getting your benchmarks from, since in almost all the games I've played, I'd define "active" as about a page of filter per day.)
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honestly though these posts of yours are really dumb. I'm going to assume for now you're just an overzealous townie, but it's bothersome that your logic is so bad.
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On December 13 2012 07:10 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 07:06 Vivax wrote:
Yes I totally think we should be defining the standard measure of activeness in this game.
Even worse than policy discussion. Le sigh. WBG claimed he was more active than virtually everyone in the thread in his defense. I pointed out this is clearly not the case.Inquiring into misrepresentation is useless because?
You didn't show anything, you just asserted it.
There are only 3 players in this game with more posts than me: marv, debears, and thrawn. The vast majority of all three of their posts are one liners or at the very least very very short.
This line of questioning is fairly pointless though, given that I don't think activity is alignment indicative for me.
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