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On December 11 2012 12:34 Clarity_nl wrote:Eh, sure it's a bit milder than his other posts, but note how his aggression is always reactionary to aggression...... I dunno, I just don't see how it's a scum thing. Saying he forgot who he was pressuring is like saying BH forgot who his mason partner was, so it was just him being... nicer than his other posts? Adam might be scum but I don't see how that "scumslip" suddenly condemns him, and like Thrawn am rather confused you "dropped" (yes I realize you said you didn't drop it) your vote on Tunkeg. Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 12:32 debears wrote:
Clarity there are two problematic parts with the adam post
1) he uses the word "misunderstand", which implies that he thinks I am town. Yet, he has his vote on me and has called me scummy
2) He goes out of his way to explain his thrawn thing with someone who he thinks is scummy and he has a vote on
That's scummy. No questions asked What are you saying, that scum are incapable of misunderstanding anything?
so i'm still awake. how are the two remotely similar? stop talking nonsense. BH was just a total moron for a while. Would you suggest that's what's going on here??
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thank you VE for being awake. I salute you.
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Hi Palmar.
Taking Adam out, do you prefer Jay over Tunkeg or vice versa?
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And also, hi bugs.
How are you 'almost certain' Djo isn't scum?
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On December 11 2012 22:20 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:06 marvellosity wrote:
Hi Palmar.
Taking Adam out, do you prefer Jay over Tunkeg or vice versa? Jay
Is there something you've seen from Tunkeg that suggests to you he is town?
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I also don't get how he likes Jay over Tunkeg. But generally I like the pushes on both Adam (Palmar) and Tunkeg (bugs), which means something odd's going on
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On December 11 2012 22:42 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
I also don't get how he likes Jay over Tunkeg. But generally I like the pushes on both Adam (Palmar) and Tunkeg (bugs), which means something odd's going on I don't think we can necessarily credit Palmar with the push on Adam, given that everyone so far in the game has found him scummy, but I agree with you. I like both pushes but I disagree with Palmar's other reads, which almost certainly means something is off. I'm curious, though. If you had to name 4 scum right now, who would you name?
4 is a pretty irritating number. Adam/Tunkeg/VE... Djodref?/BL?
VE precisely because he's null.
BL because ??? and I've seen Djo play an active scumgame (Looney lynching) so I don't grab the same towntells as you have from his play, plus I get the feeling the things he posts are a bit off timing-wise with the rest of the thread.
Z-Bo was almost on there, but I kinda like his Djo case and how he sounded in his posts after.
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On December 11 2012 22:49 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 20:54 Palmar wrote:
I'll admit that I find it easier to roll with the crowd wanting to lynch adam (myself, debears, marv) than with the crowd wanting to lynch jay (djodref, bluelightz, VE etc). It's a ridiculously dangerous game trying to guess someone's alignment based on the actions of others (the people voting him), but I just like the Adam lynch a whole lot better. I admit this has been a nagging doubt all game for me. The "wrong" people are on the wagon I started. Although I had the same feeling with Sandroba in Chrono and he flipped red just fine. marv could you explain why jay is such an easy mislynch? Did you mean in the context of this game? Because the way you said it you made it sound like that's his meta.
I presume you mean bugs, I never said jay was an easy mislynch
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On December 11 2012 22:55 Vivax wrote:
I think you have to PM the host for questions, clarity. Non-standard rules.
Marv, why do you have a townread on jay?
I don't particularly have a townread, I just don't have a scumread. I don't particularly see why what he's done so far can't have come from either alignment.
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On December 11 2012 22:58 Adam4167 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 19:12 Palmar wrote:I don't understand what that "scumslip" is either. I think I explained in the video why I don't like Adam's first post: Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 09:56 Adam4167 wrote:
Thrawn,
I don't know you, can you link me some of your games as scum on here. Basically, it's a legit question, but it's very easy to just click on someone's profile, go to posts and find recent games. Maybe Adam's just being lazy, but this post reeks of him trying to convey to the thread that he's going to be actively looking at people. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly. Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. Again, I'm working on the assumption Adam isn't dumb. It's pretty clear what thrawn is doing, and trying to wonder about it is dumb and pointless. Adam is lingering way too much on a silly stunt pulled by a random person, and asking all the wrong questions. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 11:55 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo
The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.
His reaction is feeling very forced That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions. Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category. Again, he's coming on with this idea that thrawn's actions require extensive analysis, it's very clear (to me at least) what thrawn is doing, and either it means he's scum and fucked up, or he's town and has a terrible plan-idea-thing. I concluded the latter to be the case, but adam seems really confused by something so elementary. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 12:45 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 10 2012 12:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah, but there's a difference between the original intentions of what I did and what comes out of it no one knows your original intentions because you made a stupid play and then refused to explain it (I'm going to presume out of embarrassment, since anything else is just pathetic) Adam, thoughts on debears? He announced in thread to be voting for Thrawn, but the vote never made it into the voting thread, then he builds a case on me around not voting on someone that I had said I wasn't sure of the alignment of. Ill be watching him closely today. Not putting shit in the voting thread is not scummy at all, and hardly worth talking about. I don't know why Adam keeps obsessing about irrelevant things this game. Also "I'll be watching him closely today." made me laugh. It's just how he's saying it that gets my lynchfinger all twitchy. --- In addition to this Adam calls debears out for not voting him, which is yet another thing I find fairly irrelevant, the action of voting adds or relieves no pressure at all in this game, it's the mind behind it that does. Everything Adam has done and said this game feels careful, calculated and often irrelevant and inconclusive. He should be the lynch for today. I've already defended mostly this same case from dabears, so I'm not going to go over it all again. How is playing carefully and calculated alignment indicative at all? You may have found my line of questioning irrelevant, but I didn't, hence why I did it. Vivax, can you expand on your thoughts on VE and Thrawn and why did you drop pursuit of them so suddenly?
What did you hope to gain? Or, what did you gain and how? What would have been the sequence of events/responses that would have led you to a scumread on thrawn?
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On a sidenote, why can no-one spell debears?
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On December 11 2012 23:20 Palmar wrote:
Shoot them. Honestly it's the only good way to deal with people trying to lose.
But honestly, there's plenty of targets to go after right now.
@Marv, do you really think bugsface is town?
I have no idea what bugs is.
On December 11 2012 19:14 Palmar wrote:
Well you did do dumb shit twice now
a) trying to kill thrawn for something that probably is just an idiot townie move and you know it.
b) trying to kill me for doing something I think I even mentioned doing before the game, even after I told you exactly when and how I would contribute.
So don't act all surprised.
These things are not scummy things (from bugs at least).
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I'd be eternally grateful if people would read thread ----> post.
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On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch.
Aye.
Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game)
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On December 11 2012 23:49 Djodref wrote:
And I was having a crazy idea that I would like to share with everybody...
Let's say that we cannot get a consensus on who to lynch among jay, adam and tunkeg. Would anyone mind to policy lynch grush following a "Lynch the Trolls" policy ?
No, we're not doing that, that's stupid.
Answer me something Djo - why is playing emotionally rather than rationally a scum trait?
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On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game) generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive.
Tunkeg's play has been more useless than complacent. What I was actually getting at with my question is that in general terms I view Adam's ability to contribute productively as significantly higher than Tunkeg's. Would you agree with this? And if so, do you see where I'm going? 
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On December 12 2012 00:08 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game) generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Tunkeg's play has been more useless than complacent. What I was actually getting at with my question is that in general terms I view Adam's ability to contribute productively as significantly higher than Tunkeg's. Would you agree with this? And if so, do you see where I'm going? Take a gander at Whose Line where Adam caught two scum in the first cycle or so no, I don't agree with that. Maybe that's because I don't find anything that either player has done to be particularly memorable from a town perspective. If you're right then yes, I'd see why Adam would make a better lynch.
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On December 12 2012 00:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 00:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 12 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game) generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Tunkeg's play has been more useless than complacent. What I was actually getting at with my question is that in general terms I view Adam's ability to contribute productively as significantly higher than Tunkeg's. Would you agree with this? And if so, do you see where I'm going? no, I don't agree with that. Maybe that's because I don't find anything that either player has done to be particularly memorable from a town perspective. If you're right then yes, I'd see why Adam would make a better lynch.
Fucked that one up
Take a gander at Whose Line where Adam caught two scum in the first cycle or so
is what I meant to say
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The thing I like least about jay at the moment is where his vote is parked.
Z-Bo, what's your opinion then between Tunkeg and Djodref? Which is more likely to be scum now if you think it's unlikely it's a bus? I don't see you write anything at all on Adam, what's your read on him?
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BL, do you still think jay is the scummiest?
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