Hero Mini Mafia - Page 16

On December 10 2012 10:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Given what Adam posted about thrawn's stance on self-aware millers claiming, I'm willing to rule out fake-claiming (town OR scum), so that leaves us with town joking or scum joking.

Between those two, I'd say that thrawn is more likely town than scum. It seems that scum would be more afraid to jokingly claim something that's going to draw attention to him, if not by virtue of the claim alone then because it's not possible for him to even know that.

On December 11 2012 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
*snip*

The case on jay seems to revolve around his lack of commitment to his "scumread" on thrawn based on the miller claim. First of all, I have to say - I don't find that to be particularly damning.

*snip*

But Vivax....Vivax is in here actively trying to put suspicion on me for having a townread on thrawn.

On December 10 2012 10:50 marvellosity wrote:


we're like an hour in -.-

pretty likely to be dumb town, especially coming from thrawn who was super-lurky as scum in Mario and I don't particularly see him pulling a stunt like that as mafia.

On December 10 2012 21:59 marvellosity wrote:
debears, I don't really get whatever your thing on Adam is. You seem to have a problem with him not immediately denouncing thrawn as scum or declaring him town. What's actually wrong with it?? It seems like you're manufacturing something out of nothing.

On December 14 2012 12:11 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, picking up where I left off ^^

Now there's Djodref. There are more things I find scummy in his filter than BL, but there's also some things I find townier too.

His vote on thrawn was bad and was kinda along the lines of falling into what Adam did. He questioned him repeatedly, and even when it should have been clear that thrawn was probably town, he still ended up chucking a vote on him. Tied into this is that he concentrated on wbg's random 80% number way more than seemed necessary.

Generally Djo's whole handling of the Day 1 stuff with adam doesn't look good.

On December 11 2012 11:11 marvellosity wrote:

Tunkeg has done jack shit to make me think he's town which I love to lynch for on Day 1, but Adam has betrayed a scum mentality right there.

##Unvote
##Vote: Adamsomenumbers

On December 11 2012 10:06 Adam4167 wrote:
I found his initial opening to be strange as its not something I can imagine myself doing, so I wanted him to explain his motives behind it. He did, eventually and I can relate to hating the initial policy discussion. I find Thrawn most likely a town with a risky opening. I did what I did early game to try and get a reaction out of him, it wasn't entirely productive, but I have a tentative read on thrawn from it.

On December 10 2012 11:55 Adam4167 wrote:
That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions.

Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category.

On December 10 2012 10:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
@ marv

What do you think about thrawn? Your first post on the subject seemed to indicate suspicion, while your second seemed to elude to a more "stupid town" read. Which is it? And why are you playing like you don't give a shit?

On December 10 2012 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Then I guess you don't care really about him explaining his motivations considering the town read and scum meta and such...except you did ask him to explain himself. SEHR INTERESSANT!

##Vote: marvellosity

On December 12 2012 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm starting to think marv scum.

Marvy baby you scum?

On December 11 2012 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote:

Marv Looks Town
Marv looks like marv. AND WHILE THAT LOOKS DAMN GOOD, it doesn't look like town. At least, not to me....not yet. I'm strongly and vehemently NULL on Marv.

On December 11 2012 11:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
Adam/debears early game

I had the same initial reaction to adam's post that debears did. Here is the line that I think is the start of the conflict:



Yes, that line does imply that adam is having doubts about thrawn's alignment. And no, adam does not commit to a read on thrawn. There is no reason to compare thrawn's play this game with his play from a town game unless you are trying to show similarities/differences and therefore some sort of meta based read. However I'm fine with adam not voting for thrawn. I'm even fine with him not wanting to call him scum at that point. It happened at a very early point in the game... I don't expect anyone to be that sure of a read at that point. Do I think debears is scummy for that interaction? No, he's simply did what adam was doing, which was questioning people over weak shit that happened during the early game.

*This looks like he copypasted something not written by him lol.He's speaking of himself in third person hahah.


Adam/debears "scumslip"

I'm referring to this post.

So what's going on is adam says he thinks debears is scum, and later says he thinks debears is misunderstanding posts. The logic is that if adam thinks debears is scum, he wouldn't think debears's problem would be that he's misunderstanding posts.

Yet again I think debears is probably being overzealous because of two reasons... confidence and compartmentalization. If adam is town is he 100% sure about debears being scum? I'm assuming not, and when there is any doubt you always should compartmentalize your reads so that you don't make assumptions based off of unflipped players. (yes I know it's specific to the situation, but in general and especially on D1)

On top of all of that, debears can be both scum and misunderstanding adam's posts. I see just about as many possibilities where it's a scumslip as where it isn't a scumslip, so I do not think it's a scumslip.

(*LOL awesome logic, equal measure, different outcome?)


Something that's been irritating me is the discussion about debear's vote for me. The actual vote itself and the manner in which he did it.... I'm leaning mostly null on but maybe just a little bit town. Djo... do you / did you realize that the matrix video was a direct representation about how debears felt about his vote? It was a joke video response to a question about a joke vote because of a joke claim. In fact, debears' reaction to thrawn's posts was what I was expecting from most people regardless of their alignment. You are questioning him for not engaging in the discussion, when it was (to me) obvious that he didn't find the discussion worth his time. I'm not seeing what's scummy about the first interactions between debears and thrawn.

Palmer's video

-his town group of debears/clarity/marv

This might be what I agree with the most from the video, even down to the order of most town to most scum (clarity, debears, marv) Debears has been derping recently but not in a way that I think makes him scum. I've been getting a gut town read on marv because of how he jumped on me for being a jackass. I thought he was telling the truth about his opinion of my play. His overall involvement hasn't been quite up to my expectations but it's nothing extreme so I'm not worried about marv yet.



When did you realize you were wrong?

tldr
-clarity/debears/marv are probably the people I'm least likely to lynch (*but he doesn't say he won't lynch Adam here lol)
-the adam/debears conflict is interesting but I'm not convinced of either of debears' cases against adam and I don't want to lynch adam

On December 11 2012 14:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
wbg, when marv first voted for tunkeg I liked his case. I agree with yours too and I could lynch tunkeg tomorrow. What are your thoughts on marv voting tunkeg and recently changing to voting adam?

On December 11 2012 14:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
tomorrow as in after i go to sleep, wake up, and vote

and atm i'd be opposed to an adam lynch if it was in opposition to say, a tunkeg lynch. i think a lot of the stuff about adam has been blown out of proportion

On December 11 2012 17:28 thrawn2112 wrote:


that's what I was getting at here, it just took a lot more words. I think it's more likely to be a scumslip than what happened between adam and debears

On December 11 2012 18:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
atm i'd rather lynch a lurker than adam

On December 12 2012 01:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax's posts are annoying to try and read because he's an asshole to everybody and he accuses lots of people of being scum without following it up. but my read is that it's townie asshole-ness

I don't like the jay lynch. It was ok earlier on but now it just looks like an obvious mislynch. somehow 3 people are voting for him? I dont understand those votes.

I don't like adam as the lynch either. Here is the series of events I see....

He asks a question about my meta. Other people have brought up that this doesn't have to be bad but it's at least pointless as he can look at my meta himself. However I don't think that anyone has pointed out until now that his very next post was directly about my meta, and it specifically referenced a game that was not linked to by anyone in this thread. Regardless of his alignment he at least did the work so that point against him is invalid. Not only is it invalid but I'm actually getting a town read from it. Can scum do this? Sure, but my read from this specific situation is that town did it. Another point against him is his mindset when talking to debears... but tunkeg has done the same thing and it's more extreme of an example imo.

Other than that, there is a weird tone to adam's posts that will make me not be surprised if he's red, but I don't expect that to be the case. (*hahahahaha fail)

I'm thinking about a tunkeg or maybe a lurker lynch. I don't like any of the other lynches too much.

On December 12 2012 05:25 thrawn2112 wrote:

debears, why are you so irrational and emotional this game?

On December 12 2012 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
how does everyone seriously feel about a lurker lynch?

On December 12 2012 08:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
marv do you feel good about the adam lynch?

On December 12 2012 08:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
what does everyone think is the most damming part of the adam case? I don't buy the stuff about the scumslip. I think the most interesting part of the case is how he took the early game stupidity too seriously.

+ Show Spoiler [this post] + is pretty lol and if I stare at it long enough without blinking I start thinking adam might be scum

On December 12 2012 09:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm not in favor of the adam lynch but i'm even less in favor of lynching jay instead of adam. i'll go for adam if it comes down to adam vs jay

On December 12 2012 10:51 thrawn2112 wrote:


but are you scum?

so now it seems natural that among thrawn, boson, and djodref, each of them should be expecting to find at least 1 scum between the other two..... unless any of them think that all the scum were bussing adam, which thrawn doesn't