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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 20 2012 20:03 GMT
#2801
On December 21 2012 04:53 jaybrundage wrote:
I gots an idea guys what if we lynch hapa or zboson instead of me cause im town :D


The more we are waiting for this Z-Bo case, the more likely you are to flip mafia ^^
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 20 2012 20:09 GMT
#2802
On December 21 2012 05:01 Djodref wrote:
Because of your attitude towards VE fakeclaim and jay during VE lynch.



Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 07:38 Hapahauli wrote:
interesting. I'll have to think about whether it's true or not. If no one counterclaims, I could get behind a Jay lynch. His tunnel on Djo felt really forced all through today.


I'm ready to trust VE and lynch Jay.

Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 18 2012 08:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
i dont like ve's claim, it seems too easy to pull off


Well it is rather risky given he's one counter-claim away from an insta-lynch. I wouldn't dismiss his claim as an outright lie until I see some more from him.


I'm really ready to trust VE, I'm just waiting so I can see what you guys decide

Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 08:15 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 18 2012 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 18 2012 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 18 2012 08:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
i dont like ve's claim, it seems too easy to pull off


Well it is rather risky given he's one counter-claim away from an insta-lynch. I wouldn't dismiss his claim as an outright lie until I see some more from him.


scum already tried to claim vigi


This is true. Also Djo brought up the point that VE never attempted to defend him (Djo) the entire day. I'm not sure if that's due to VE being afk or just lurking though.


I really would like to believe this guy

Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I can't figure out a player that I'd feel comfortable switching onto.

Jay's reactions so far don't seem scummy. He's setting himself up to draw alot of attention to himself regardless of how VE flips. Even Z-Bo seems alright.

...and who else? Bluelightz? Seems like a coin-flip.


Ok, look ! jay is pants on head. I don't want to lynch him anymore. He is going to look good when VE is gonna flip (red)



I'm sorry if you are town, but this is how I interpret your posts at that time...


Yeah so what?

Quote #1:
I'm clearly expressing reservations, and I'm not committed to either side. Also... I want to lynch... Jay? How does that make sense from a mafia perspective?

Quote #2:
I'm clearly not ready to trust VE as you claim. I said I'm not dismissing the claim, not that I want to trust him. Again, it's stupid in such a volatile spot to turn the blinders on in either way, and I'll be damned if you tunnel suspicion on me for having the correct attitude as a townie here.

Quote #3:
How in the fuck is that "I want to believe VE?" That's me expressing some very clear reservations about VE.

Quote #4:
Jay is "pants on head" - yes that's exactly what I thought at the time until looking through VE's filter (particularly his last scum-list post) showed me otherwise. What about my attitude there was unreasonable? Hell I took an opinion directly against everyone in the thread for what reason exactly?
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
December 20 2012 20:10 GMT
#2803
On December 21 2012 05:03 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2012 04:53 jaybrundage wrote:
I gots an idea guys what if we lynch hapa or zboson instead of me cause im town :D


The more we are waiting for this Z-Bo case, the more likely you are to flip mafia ^^

I find it hilarious. How confident you are. Regardless your wrong lets lynch hapa instead.

##Vote Hapa
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 20 2012 20:10 GMT
#2804
I'm sorry if you are town, but this is how I interpret your posts at that time...


These aren't reasonable interpretations of my posts. This is you trying to read between the lines and act as if I'm implying a thousand things that I'm not.
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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 20 2012 20:19 GMT
#2805
On December 21 2012 05:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm sorry if you are town, but this is how I interpret your posts at that time...


These aren't reasonable interpretations of my posts. This is you trying to read between the lines and act as if I'm implying a thousand things that I'm not.


In my opinion, you gave VE too much of BOTD.
VE was really scummy, my case against him was good enough to convince that he was scum, I would say.
Not to mention the fact that WBG, Tunkeg and Palmar wanted to lynch him. When a guy like this comes to the thread when he is going to get lynched with a claim without breadcrumbs, with 3 blues already in the graveyard, he is most likely to fakeclaim, regardless of if there is a counter claim or not.

And yeah, wanted to switch and jay makes sense, you could 'confirm' VE as a cop and gain town credit in the operation.
Also, I don't understand how you could come from 'let's switch to jay' to go to 'him going totally nuts about VE is a town trait'
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 20 2012 20:21 GMT
#2806
@ Hapa

This is because I hold your town play in a very high standard. Don't take it wrong, but you are maybe getting mislynched because people are expecting you to play perfectly.

I would expect town Hapa to directly ring to FakeClaim Alert Bell
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 20 2012 20:27 GMT
#2807
You can scream about "I gave VE too much BOTD" now that VE has flipped red, but just because was mafia doesn't mean that his claim didn't deserve consideration. It was a last-minute cop claim. The claim is important and worth considering. Hell I'm not the only player that thought this way:

On December 18 2012 09:23 marvellosity wrote:
Z-Bo has gone according to his last post, i assume he's referring to what i pasted here.

i fucking hate this. none of his play is townie, but i hate lynching uncounterclaimed DTs.

djfnsdk

I think we have to lynch him and hope he doesn't flip DT or we feel very stupid


Also as far as my "grand plan" goes:
And yeah, wanted to switch and jay makes sense, you could 'confirm' VE as a cop and gain town credit in the operation.
Also, I don't understand how you could come from 'let's switch to jay' to go to 'him going totally nuts about VE is a town trait'


So what was my plan? That I wanted to get town-cred from lynching Jay? But then I switched to defending Jay to look as bad as possible and wanted to save Jay?

That alone should show you I'm not mafia. What was my plan? I would have had to 180 on plans with my "team" within a span of 5 minutes.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 20 2012 20:29 GMT
#2808
On December 21 2012 05:21 Djodref wrote:
@ Hapa

This is because I hold your town play in a very high standard. Don't take it wrong, but you are maybe getting mislynched because people are expecting you to play perfectly.

I would expect town Hapa to directly ring to FakeClaim Alert Bell


Good lord. The "Fake claim alert bell" isn't about "ZOMG HE'S FAKE CLAIMING LYNCH HIM NOWWWW!" It's about being willing to consider the options in a claiming situation.

When someone claims cop, you have to consider the options. You can't tunnel lynch him, because not all last-minute cop claims are mafia. Also I'm surprised you draw so much of this advice from the Dandel Ion fake-claim in that newbie game when the situations were completely different. I was on you guys for not considering the claim since Dandel...

1) Claimed town roleblocker (lol)
2) He was the 4th claimed blue in a 13 player game
3) He had scumslipped several times in his filter
4) The entire town didn't even question his claim
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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
December 20 2012 20:35 GMT
#2809
On December 20 2012 12:46 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2012 05:26 grush57 wrote:
It's definitely in the three of Z-Bo Jay and Hapa.
I'm fine with all, but I'm more sure of a Jay and Hapa scumteam.


Why do you think BL is town?

Because Palmar said so.
But him getting away with zero effort because of his meta and how he always gets lynched is making me mad.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 20 2012 20:37 GMT
#2810
On December 21 2012 05:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2012 05:21 Djodref wrote:
@ Hapa

This is because I hold your town play in a very high standard. Don't take it wrong, but you are maybe getting mislynched because people are expecting you to play perfectly.

I would expect town Hapa to directly ring to FakeClaim Alert Bell


Good lord. The "Fake claim alert bell" isn't about "ZOMG HE'S FAKE CLAIMING LYNCH HIM NOWWWW!" It's about being willing to consider the options in a claiming situation.

When someone claims cop, you have to consider the options. You can't tunnel lynch him, because not all last-minute cop claims are mafia. Also I'm surprised you draw so much of this advice from the Dandel Ion fake-claim in that newbie game when the situations were completely different. I was on you guys for not considering the claim since Dandel...

1) Claimed town roleblocker (lol)
2) He was the 4th claimed blue in a 13 player game
3) He had scumslipped several times in his filter
4) The entire town didn't even question his claim


1) VE claimed cop and his checks were weird, plus he had no breadcrumbs
2) 4th blue in a 16 players game, Cop being usually take more slots than other roles
3) VE was scummy enough
4) I did question his claim, but I didn't voice my concerns enough

But, yeah, I'm being unfair, you were not the only one.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 20 2012 20:46 GMT
#2811
Awesome. Now we're getting somewhere.

Can you address this by the way?
On December 21 2012 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:
...
Show nested quote +
And yeah, wanted to switch and jay makes sense, you could 'confirm' VE as a cop and gain town credit in the operation.
Also, I don't understand how you could come from 'let's switch to jay' to go to 'him going totally nuts about VE is a town trait'


So what was my plan? That I wanted to get town-cred from lynching Jay? But then I switched to defending Jay to look as bad as possible and wanted to save Jay?

That alone should show you I'm not mafia. What was my plan? I would have had to 180 on plans with my "team" within a span of 5 minutes.


Pretend I'm mafia for a minute. Walk me through my last posts before the deadline (regarding Jay and VE) - what was the plan I had?
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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 20 2012 20:52 GMT
#2812
Save VE, lynch jay, getting VE confirmed and you town cred. Then, victory could be achieved.
But it didn't happen like so,
VE gets obviously lynched, ask jay to go pants on head, and you try to make him look town for being that obvious.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 20 2012 20:54 GMT
#2813
On December 21 2012 05:52 Djodref wrote:
Save VE, lynch jay, getting VE confirmed and you town cred. Then, victory could be achieved.
But it didn't happen like so,
VE gets obviously lynched, ask jay to go pants on head, and you try to make him look town for being that obvious.


That's a pretty impressive plan to come up with in such a chaotic last-minute situation. I'd be impressed if I was mafia.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 20 2012 20:58 GMT
#2814
What makes that more likely than the other situation?
That VE + Jay decided to go pants-on-head, and Bluelightz didn't post once during their entire escapade?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 20 2012 21:01 GMT
#2815
Also, if you say Munk-E again, allow me to pre-emptively retort:

1) Munk-E replaced out of the game due to inactivity concerns
2) Munk-E is lynch-bait
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 20 2012 21:01 GMT
#2816
The 3rd theorem of the internet suggests that you will pay more attention to text of greater size.
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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
December 20 2012 21:13 GMT
#2817
On December 21 2012 06:01 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, if you say Munk-E again, allow me to pre-emptively retort:

1) Munk-E replaced out of the game due to inactivity concerns
2) Munk-E is lynch-bait


The admin never said that. He must of said it in qt
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
December 20 2012 21:13 GMT
#2818
SCUMMSLIP
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 20 2012 21:16 GMT
#2819
Or its something that's easily inferred from a guy who makes 4 posts and replaces out. >.>
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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
December 20 2012 21:21 GMT
#2820
idk man inactivity concerns seem like u got told.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
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