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I'll leave Hapa to defend himself against these points, but I want to point out a few things:
Hapa settles on a coinflip between BL and boson? Are you sure we are reading the same thing?It seems to me you're putting words into his mouth.
It looks to me like he's posting reasons to not switch his vote, rather than posting targets he'd switch his vote onto.
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I'm just leaving this here:
On December 12 2012 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm willing to vote jay over Adam.
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Where is grush pushing mafia objectives?
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Hapa, that's confirmation bias. There are reasons in his filter to believe he's town.
Same like there are good reasons to vote Djo, these reasons point to him to have lied after covering Adam and trying to start a counterwagon. I also noticed a little resistance in choosing VE as target before it was clear that noone believed the claim. If he was scum that'd be the reason he wrote 3 freaking cases with VE in the middle, so he could switch between them when possible.
But sadly like 5 people were thinking about switching, so it's hard to filter out the scum.
The problem is that he's managed to give an overall townie impression so far by going supertryhard when hewas about to get lynched.
Anyway, I've been reading like a madman and I can't get any decisive scumreads for tomorrow ;_; . Unsure between Djo and jay.
I just know that marv has to be lynched at LYLO, but that should be a given. No, lynch him a day before just to be sure.
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He posts about Adam quite early, defends Bugs, suspects Djo, me and BL. Then he jumps to VE and BL after bugs dies. Goes back to VE, posts wishy washy shit about Tunkeg, again BL and Djo.
Dunno, I'll give him a null.
On December 11 2012 05:44 grush57 wrote: Also Adam is reminding me of his scum play.
On December 13 2012 05:42 grush57 wrote: Why are you guys thinking that Bugs is scum. :'( He isn't. Djordef is scum. So is Vivax. But I would also like to think that Bluelightz is scum. But that doesn't make sense if Vivax is scum. So Djor + Vivax/BlueLightz + someone who isnt grush!!!!!!!!! GO GO VIGILANTES
On December 13 2012 12:42 grush57 wrote:
Why does no one listen to the Starsenses? Anyways with bugs not being scum either VE or Bluelightz is scum. ##Vote: BlueLightz
On December 14 2012 05:39 grush57 wrote:ANYWAYS VE is playing super illogical, but he seems like an honest townie. I don't know about Tunkeg he could either be bad town or scum. Clarity is town. Djordef never mentioned scumbuddy Adam and DIRECTLY tried to counterlynch bandwagon. That play is so bad as scum that is the only thing saving him. I am up for lynching him. I'm also for lynching Bluelightz because his play is extremely bad/scummy. Plus the fact that out of all the vets, I find him by far the most scummy and mafia usually has atleast 1 vet.
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EBWOP: Doesn't go back to VE in the last one, like Z-Boson already mentioned.
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What do you make of Djos lies in front of palmar grush?
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Screw this, include grush in the people I'd lynch tomorrow.
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I guess you have very clear ideas of what you're going to do then. You're fine with grush not adding anything readable right now.
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Why does this lynch suddenly make Djo less scummy for you?Cause 1 of his 3 cases was about VE?
You forgive every mistake he's done in the past cause he started posting with a gun at his head?
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How are Jays actions different from Djos?
They did the fucking same thing with two different mafia. Just that Djo didn't even bother writing his reasons. Jay instead tried to convince us with his WIFOMath. Jay at least is being honest about it, Djo lied to Palmar. I realize however, that Djos posting style resembles more that of a town, but mainly cause he isn't/doesn't look like the most clumsy player in here.
Anyway, I didn't even want to hear your opinions, I've already heard Hapas', and marv being mostly wrong in his pushes at this game rubs me wrong anyway. I want to hear something about this lurky guy avoiding my questions, grushiboi. You don't?Prefer him to remain like that?
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Yeah, nice job on Tunkeg, how is that mostly wrong right?
And ASIDE from that, those weren't lynches you pushed marvy, you joined them at convenient times.
Anyway, I'm not gonna get dragged onto the sublevel of discussion you use to start flaming and disrupt discussion whenever someone questions you. If town is remotely intelligent you'll get lynched at LYLO if not earlier.
And you seem to be so confident about the people that are hard to read to be town (BL, grush) when no one else is. Guess which team that behaviour favours, when such players aren't forced to post more.
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Fucks sake, I take it back, there, have your ego boost and now start commenting on something more productive than this personal shit, PLEASE.
I love you marv, let's be friends.
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There are a dozen of reasons on the previous pages on why grush could be what he might be, do you care commenting on them?
Also, how did Jay behave differently from Djo @ the lynch, except that Djo lied to Palmar? Essentially, what I wrote up there.
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On December 19 2012 07:53 marvellosity wrote: How did Djodref play day 3? He spent fuckloads of time making scumreads and cases and being active and pushing people. I can't be 100% he's town for reasons you mention, but I'm somewhat confident he is at this point.
He did it with the gun at his head, and you're utterly ignoring his previous actions in your argumentation. As I already stated, he's been flirting with other lynches while the VE push was gaining traction, so I don't take for granted that his VE case was genuine. And honestly, some of his cases contained imprecisions or bad arguments. One of these I replied to, he didn't respond to.
On December 19 2012 07:53 marvellosity wrote: How did jaybrundage play day 3? He kept pushing Djo without being able to come up properly with reasons he was scum and parrotting Palmar.
That reminds me strongly of someone:
On December 16 2012 09:30 marvellosity wrote: Djodref - This is probably the guy you gotta hang tomorrow. After jay I've spent the most time on him and it seems like I've been finding excuses to call him town, because I like the guy :/ Palmar has said quite enough on why Djo should be lynched, and I can't actually disagree with anything he says, except for finding reasons not to lynch him. there are simply too many facets of his play that point to a scum agenda, most notably his day 1 actions regarding the adam lynch, his passive-aggressive way of dealing with Z-Bo, and his flat-out lie about his adam-debears interactions.
So, by your logic, you are at least as guilty of being as scummy as jay in this regard?
On December 19 2012 07:53 marvellosity wrote: A scum grush doesn't bother doing any of these things.
Really? You would so easily be fooled by such undefined meta? I can't believe you could be so bad, so I don't believe you're town. Take it as a compliment.
YOU SHALL HAVE YOUR NECK STRETCHED MARV. I WANT TO CHOMP ON YOUR EARS AND SCREAM JIBBERISH
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Hapa, who are you going to lynch tomorrow?
Also, are you able to link me your last post where you've been analysing someone?
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That's a lot of effort you're putting in there Hapa.
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On December 12 2012 17:07 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP: Derp
greenVE - He hasn't done much, but his vote on Adam gave me a town feel. Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Adam
Baaaaaaahhhhh. He doesn't attempt to glorify it or justify it - he's candid about the whole thing, and that strikes me as town.
Added in haste after you forgot to put it into your main analysis post which you refused to post after I asked. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=52#1021
I think I'll join other townies in voting you tomorrow. Shoot me bitches.
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Hapa Hauli, als known as the scumdumpster
His train of thoughts
+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 06:05 Hapahauli wrote: Meh, I'm not feelin a VE lynch right now. His thing with clarity reads more as a misguided tunnel than something malicious.
Bluelightz on the other hand is ripe for some lynching. Lynch-bait or not, he's one of the few players in the game that hasn't given me any reason to think he's town. Tunkeg being the other, but I rather like that last longer post of his.
OH WELL I DON'T THINK VE IS SCUM.LET'S GET BL. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________
+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 12:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 11:45 Djodref wrote: I also think that Hapa could be buddying me because He spends more tiㄷ defending me than fi.ding scum. But I still thi.k that my previous point for a town munke is valid.
Hapa, I appreciaye your read on me but I would like you to find scum.
Honestly I think that BL ahas the least cjances to flip scum among Bl Tu.keg and Ve.
Would you like to lynch VE today ? I"ve made my reads really really clear. VE's giving me more of a dumb town vibe than malicious scum. I want to lynch Bluelightz, but Tunkeg is rapidly climbing my list and is a clear #2.
I'VE PROTECTED VE WITH ONE LINE OF WIFOM AND CAUSE HE'S MISGUIDED, SO I'VE MADE MY READ REALLY CLEAR.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2012 12:31 Hapahauli wrote: Whaddy'a thinking of VE at the moment? Haven't seen you give a clear opinion on him
OH I DON'T THINK VE IS SCUM BUT LET'S ASK SOME OPINION ABOUT HIM.AFTER ALL I'VE MADE MY READS REALLY CLEAR.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 10:02 Hapahauli wrote: I'd read dump, but I don't have much to add to what Palmar had said. I'm still much more hesitant on Djo however. VE will probably be my lynch target of choice if I'm alive. OH AFTER PALMAR POSTED HIS READS I WILL OF COURSE VOTE VE, I'VE JUST BEEN SAYING HE'S TOWN FOREVER WITH <10 LINES OF ANALYSIS.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 17 2012 08:36 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding VE, he hasn't given me any sufficient reason to think he's town. He's my top scumread at the moment. As for Bluelightz, I came away from his "demotivated" conversation much the same as you did. Whiney, but townie. Or at the very least, more townie than VE.
OH EVERYTHING I POSTED EARLIER WAS JUST BULLSHIT. FORGIVE ME GUYS. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________
Lynch him tomorrow. Especially if I die.
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And you know what to do with marv at LYLO
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