EPTI remember you listing something like
1 town who did some crazy thing
2 lying scum
a scum who fail fakeclaims miller without having read the op doesn't explain it away by admitting they didn't read the op. so the question doesnt make sense
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
I remember you listing something like 1 town who did some crazy thing 2 lying scum a scum who fail fakeclaims miller without having read the op doesn't explain it away by admitting they didn't read the op. so the question doesnt make sense | ||
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Vivax
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Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease. Need to see some scumhunting from you. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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thrawn2112
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Djodref
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Palmar was wrong about WBG and was wrong about me as well... | ||
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Vivax
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Vivax
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On December 16 2012 09:37 Palmar wrote: VE may be a better 1st lynch than djodref On December 16 2012 09:40 Palmar wrote: Due to the how certain it is he's scum. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On December 16 2012 21:47 Djodref wrote: Cool story bro, Palmar was wrong about WBG and was wrong about me as well... WHY HELLO WE HAVE FOUND A LIE! (Considering we have no solid info like a DT check or shit) | ||
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thrawn2112
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thrawn2112
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On December 16 2012 22:00 Vivax wrote: Thrawn who else are you suspicious of besides djo? boson bl and hapa not interested in a jay or vivax lynch, my feelings towards them are sorta similar to how I felt thinking about the tunkeg lynch | ||
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Vivax
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Can you drop them for a second and assume that your townread on marv might be wrong while going through his filter?Some more analysis of VE would be appreciated aswell, he actually was the first to speculate a scum vigi, but trying to dump it on clarity aswell...And quickly retreating when it didn't gain interest. Probably the best case against djo so far: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=81#1613 This post by Palmar would actually be reason enough to vote for djo, although Palmar refers to it as policy lynch, for lying and trying to stop the lynch. Maybe djo has only been sloppy, but he really had no interactions with Adam I actually have no clue if I should vote for him. I have to reconsider VE, marv, BL and jay aswell. Jay going so superlurky lately and voting like an opportunist stinks quite. | ||
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Djodref
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Viscera Eyes Being stupid on purpose I'm convinced that VE is scum. My case is going to boil down to the following points
Part I --- VE and his scumreads Vivax On December 11 2012 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote: *snip* "But VE, who would you like to lynch today?" Calm down bish I'm getting there. Based on what I'm seeing, I think Vivax and Palmar could be scum together. First of all, Vivax has this problem with my interest level? Goes so far as to throw times of posts into the mix to appear that he's carefully watching the thread...except, Palmar has shown that he not only doesn't care about the game, he doesn't care about his own alignment in the game. Unfortunately, I've seen Palmar do this as town, so I'm not putting much stock into Palmar's end of it. But Vivax....Vivax is in here actively trying to put suspicion on me for having a townread on thrawn. Literally. I even explained in detail why I thought thrawn was joking, which by the way, he was by his own tongue. I think Vivax is trying to fake contribution. I think he's trying to appear active while doing nothing of value. He claims that in spite of his "analysis" of my actions, he'd STILL vote for thrawn, based on the stale-ass fake-claim. I'm calling bullshit. ##Vote: Vivax This is D1. VE is voting Vivax for a weak reason. Anyway, he says then this On December 11 2012 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote: *snip* Vivax Doesn't Look Scummy Screw you buddy, yes he does. I'll show you. *snip* Does he ever mention Vivax again after this ? No. Not at all. Not a single time. He drops him completely. Even when Z-Bo and me posted case against him. No interest in Vivax anymore. Jay After defending Jay at first against Clarity's case. VE, following the thread mood, posts his own case against Jay. He doesn't push a jay lynch. Instead, he consolidates on Adam with no reason. On December 12 2012 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm willing to vote jay over Adam. But he keeps voting Adam, even when I'm proposing a counter wagon on Jay instead. Anyway, the most interesting part is that he drops Jay totally after that. On December 15 2012 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote: That's the hard question I didn't study for :/ I fell asleep writing my Djodref analysis last night and both Bz and jay were on the list of filters I wanted to get to. Jay has rubbed me the wrong way all day and now he's pushing candidates I like and without fear of going against town sentiment...need to filter. Blue is...hard to remember much of. I know I didn't like your initial case but I can't recall like anything of his play since. Need to filter. And I'm phoneposting. So yeah...have to get back with you. Did he forget that he had jay as scum or what ? Please also note his lack of interactions with Jay through the game. Z-Bo So, after him going totally derp against Clarity, VE is suddenly attracted by a Z-Bo lynch. Out of nowhere. Does he do a single thing to get his lynch. Not at all. He lets Tunkeg gets lynched. My conclusion is that VE doesn't really care about who is getting lynched. He produces some cases from time to time but there is no follow-up, no interactions with the people he made the cases against to figure their alignments. He doesn't case because he is mafia. Part II --- Discrediting marv for freep Here we go. VE has stated at least twice that he is thinking that marv is scum. Does he confront marv on his reads ? Does he go after marv with a case ? Is he serious about it or is this pure discrediting ? On December 10 2012 10:46 VisceraEyes wrote: @ marv What do you think about thrawn? Your first post on the subject seemed to indicate suspicion, while your second seemed to elude to a more "stupid town" read. Which is it? And why are you playing like you don't give a shit? On December 12 2012 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm starting to think marv scum.  Marvy baby you scum? Great job ! If marv is really town, as I think, he is spreading suspicions to undermine the positions he could take. Part III --- Being stupid on purpose VE went after Clarity D2. He has been passionate about him. Clarity necessarily was the scumvig. I've asked him several times to write a case against Clarity to show that he was scum. He has failed to do it. Scum doesn't want to contribute for real in the thread. Scum wants to tell you a story, a believable story. Like this story of a stubborn and stupid players going against reasonable and simple logic to tunnel a townie, using speculation and bad arguments. On December 13 2012 18:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I missed that in the hullabaloo. 1) That means nothing because this is a semi-closed setup. There could be more than one town vigi, so the counterclaim thing is not relevant. There's little risk in a scum Vigi claiming a shot he ACTUALLY took because we have no way of knowing if they're scum or town. 2) Why would Mafia vigi one of the stronger town players? So he can't defend himself and avoid the lynch? Maybe turn it around on one of them? Scum removing a vet from the game in a NON LYNCH situation is actually extremely strong. I don't believe a single instant that VE was serious about Clarity. He didn't push his lynch with a real case. He just kept saying over and over again that he was the scumVig. The mafia motivation is clear here. You go pants on head, nobody can get a clear read out of this. You avoid to contributing for real, so you don't out yourself or your team. VE is not stupid, Clarity's filter was really looking town. There was not way he was the scumVig. Part IV --- following the thread trends People start voting jay D1 ? Let's make a case against him ! Jay is being stupid and goes after Clarity ? Let's do the same ! Thrawn made a case against Z-Bo ? Hey, me too ! Adam is a serious lynch candidate ? Let's vote him over jay ! Tunkeg and Djo are lynch candidates ? On December 14 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar, as long as it's not me, I'll vote for whoever you tell me to. Clearly no one is interested in lynching the scumVig, so I'm trusting YOU to find his teammate for us to lynch today. For what it's worth, I'd lynch into Tunkeg, Djo if I couldn't lynch Clarity. Djo for his attempts at counterwagoning the scum lynch, and Tunkeg for his interaction with Bugs. It's clear that Bugs was not going to let Tunkeg go, and I'd bet anything that's why scum killed him. But like I said, my vote is yours. I'm proven bad this game. Fix it. Please note that he defends me shortly after On December 15 2012 00:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar, I was scum with Djodref in Looney Lynching and his play in that game was much more timid and submissive - his response to pressure was completely different and he repeatedly played the newbie card. Just throwin that out there in case you lied and are actually reading my posts. Comments ? Anyone ? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 16 2012 22:05 Bluelightz wrote: WHY HELLO WE HAVE FOUND A LIE! (Considering we have no solid info like a DT check or shit) I'm town, Palmar is dead. He thought I was mafia. He was wrong about me. You'll see unless you know it already. Just start to contribute for real, ok ? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
VE is.... hard to talk about. He, bl, and grush are the people we have the least information about. When I go through his filter I never find anything that convinces me he's scum. when he brought up the possibility of adam's vig claim hinting that clarity could be a scum vig I actually got a town read from it because I had the exact same thought when I was going back through adams' posts. I didn't mention it because thinking about things from town clarity's point of view made more sense, but VE got some town points from me for that. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 16 2012 22:25 Vivax wrote: Thrawn, I disagree on Boson and hapa. Can you drop them for a second and assume that your townread on marv might be wrong while going through his filter?Some more analysis of VE would be appreciated aswell, he actually was the first to speculate a scum vigi, but trying to dump it on clarity aswell...And quickly retreating when it didn't gain interest. Probably the best case against djo so far: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=81#1613 This post by Palmar would actually be reason enough to vote for djo, although Palmar refers to it as policy lynch, for lying and trying to stop the lynch. Maybe djo has only been sloppy, but he really had no interactions with Adam I actually have no clue if I should vote for him. I have to reconsider VE, marv, BL and jay aswell. Jay going so superlurky lately and voting like an opportunist stinks quite. @ Vivax Honestly, you shouldn't care so much about marv. If he is town, he is certainly going to be killed soon. If he is scum, he is going to bus his team mates at one time or another. What do you think ? Also, his interactions with Palmar are really genuine, and his reaction to WBG bluff as well. I don't know. I'm glad that you want to reconsider today's lynch. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 16 2012 22:34 thrawn2112 wrote: I recently went read through the voting thread several times and one of the things I picked up was that marv's adam vote doesn't look like a scum vote. I also liked his read dump during the night cycle even if I didn't agree with everything in it. VE is.... hard to talk about. He, bl, and grush are the people we have the least information about. When I go through his filter I never find anything that convinces me he's scum. when he brought up the possibility of adam's vig claim hinting that clarity could be a scum vig I actually got a town read from it because I had the exact same thought when I was going back through adams' posts. I didn't mention it because thinking about things from town clarity's point of view made more sense, but VE got some town points from me for that. What about how he drops jay after wanting to lynch him during D1 ? And Vivax ? Why didn't he try to switch the vote to jay with me ? Why didn't he bring a serious case against Clarity ? Did you feel like he was really trying to weigh in like you when you wanted to lynch Z-Bo ? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
What is the common things between these people ? WBG Tunkeg Palmar The are town, the are vets, they are dead, they wanted to lynch VE. On December 13 2012 09:12 wherebugsgo wrote: no, fuck you. go read my posts. kill tunkeg BL and VE and consider killing Palmar if his reads still suck ass. Tunkeg spoiler "In other word follow your leader, Palmar, even if he dropped the ball on this one, and got talked around by the most overrated player on TL Mafia. He won't do it again this game. Follow him for the rest of the time he is here. Also lynch VE and Hapa." Palmar On December 16 2012 09:37 Palmar wrote: VE may be a better 1st lynch than djodref On December 16 2012 09:40 Palmar wrote: Due to the how certain it is he's scum. [/QUOTE] | ||
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Vivax
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However, regarding him not voting Adam after the case on jay: That's cause him and clarity followed my proposal of not changing vote until we had enough to switch successfully. So he just repeated the line I suggested = "I'm willing to lynch jay over Adam". Thrawn You should look at marvs posts until that vote way more closely, you will notice something. | ||
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Vivax
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thrawn2112
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