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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 16 2012 00:41 GMT
#1981
He claimed vigi at a scummy timing and I'm vigi, why wouldn't I immediately jump on him? Ugh.
"Has been doing no analysis" goes for half the people in this fucking game.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 16 2012 00:44 GMT
#1982
Nontheless, he could have pulled the same show with a scum vigi. And his promise of demonstration at night makes on think about it, at least.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 16 2012 00:44 GMT
#1983
wait clarity.... why didnt you counter claim vigi?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 16 2012 00:45 GMT
#1984
You also were willing to vote for someone else 15 minutes before, and when you did, at least 10 votes were already on Adam, so you actually cared of how you look.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 16 2012 00:46 GMT
#1985
On December 16 2012 09:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
wait clarity.... why didnt you counter claim vigi?


Why would I, he was gonna get lynched.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 16 2012 00:48 GMT
#1986
I've got a semi finished case in the closet if you wanna know, I'll show you the first part. Call me stupid or whatever:

VE's argument about the existence of a scum vigi made me think a bit again.
We've all been taking for granted that clarity is town, all game long.

But if you look at the timing of the posts:

Adams list:

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 12 2012 09:07 Adam4167 wrote:
Alright, seeing as I am the leading vote getter today, Ill get some reads out for you guys so my death isn't a complete waste.


Obvious town to me:
Palmar, Clarity, dabears, Marv, Thrawn and Vivax.


Jaybrundage
Jay is lurky when he plays scum, and right now he's fitting the bill. In Arkham City I fell into the trap of thinking that he was too scummy to be scum, and largely ignored him for the entire game until he obviously fakeclaimed and outed himself. This game he looks mostly the same here, ultra lurky, and non-contributive. He's jumped onto my wagon with the reason of " Id rather lynch bluelightz, but I don't want a no lynch". Probably scum.


Bluelightz
Bluelightz is another one that ultra lurks when he is scum. He was literally afraid to post in Student mafia after replacing in and just sat around in the scum QT. His play in Aperture mafa as scum was similar to his play this game, he throws out a couple of reads and then lurks until someone takes an interest in him. Probably scum.


WBG
He looks to be bending his reads to please palmar, which is never a good sign from someone as headstrong as WBG. Look at his attitude towards myself, early game he has no problem with my gameplay, after declaring nobody in the thread looks suspicious and turning his attention towards the lurkers. Then, palmar posts his video and I become a suspect, he adds me to his list of scum targets, but with flimsy reasoning and 'meta' but would still rather push other people. Probably scum.


Tunkeg
Tunkeg is an interesting one. His emo routine after being questioned is not what I would consider 'townie', but his list of reads is at least somewhat helpful and actually looks somewhat similar to mine. I'd keep him alive for now, but keep an eye on him, as he so happily points out, we have no idea what to expect from his scum play. Mostly Null, make him work to show his alignment.


VisceraEyes
VE has mostly lurked today and really hasn't put much into this game. He's capable of this as either town or scum. He seems pretty content to sheep most of Palmars reads this game, something I wouldn't expect from him but I do like his case on jaybrundage. Mostly null, some small contributions.


Djodref
Djodref's biggest scum tell from Mario Mafia was that he did absolutely no scum hunting and sat around setup speculating even at LYLO. He's pushed some cases this game, which I consider points in his favour, but he's also back flipped his read on me as soon as Palmar mentioned both of us in his video. He's spent a majority of day 1 defending himself from bad cases, and I think he's capable of being a good contributing townie, leaning town on Djodref.




Anyone else that I haven't got to either wasn't memorable or isn't putting in enough effort.


##Vote Jaybrundage



Claritys reactions:

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 12 2012 09:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
BL is the counter wagon you're looking for. I just don't see it with Adam, and I don't think I'm blinded to anything. I agree with nearly everything in his list post. Logical is the way I go down when I'm town as well, screaming and shouting does no one any good when I'm dead because people won't read my analysis if it's incomprehensible and emotional.


On December 12 2012 09:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'd be willing to vote jay over Adam, ofcourse.


Then, when the counterclaims took no traction...

On December 12 2012 09:47 Adam4167 wrote:
Alright I was hoping that I could talk my way out of this lynch without having to claim, but apparently that does not seem to be possible.

I am a Vigilante.

Give me a chance to prove i'm town tonight.


...Adam might have given Clarity the reason to bus him.
And Adam promised a shot for the night aswell (implying a scum vigi according to VE). Here a lot of options open up since they could have shot someone or said to have been roleblocked, but that would rather get Adam killed the next day since it'd have been more likely that scum would hit him.

Anyway, Clarity obviously changed vote after the claim, there were more than 10 votes on Adam at that point, but in retrospect it gives the impression he knew that Adam couldn't be vigi (although clarity could have considered a second vigi, but well, it's a small setup).

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 12 2012 09:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
Adam where's your crumb?

##Vote Adam4167


On December 12 2012 09:52 Adam4167 wrote:
I don't need to crumb anything, the proof would be in the daypost.


And that's how one of the best busses I'd have ever seen could have ended.
Clarity obviously crumbed with his fibonacci series.It's just that a vigi of either alignment can crumb that and go back to it, and in this case, the crumb was impossible to find on one's own, so I see no other purpose in it than to strengthen one's claim.

Well, this post is about clarity's obtained vigi status, the next one will be about his interactions, stance switches etc.

And here I didn't go on with looking cause I've been shat on. But I might deliver in the future if I feel like.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 16 2012 00:50 GMT
#1987
hmm..
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
December 16 2012 00:53 GMT
#1988
actually the clarity scum thing is pretty reasonable. But backwards engineering mafia powerplays is impossible to do when we have people who need to hang based on the fact they've lied, or are doing something super scummy.

It's not impossible that mafia saw the advantage of taking a shot at bugs who I was pushing very heavily to confirm one of their own as town, but it's too difficult to chase this storyline until we clear out the people who should obviously be killed. (djodref/VE for now).
Computer says mafia
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 16 2012 00:55 GMT
#1989
If marv dies I think Palmar might be scum, the way he keeps keeping a backdoor open into my lynch makes my stomach turn
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 16 2012 00:56 GMT
#1990
seriously palmar if you're town you are overestimating me.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 16 2012 00:57 GMT
#1991
What?Afaik he mentioned suspicion against you for the first time now.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 16 2012 00:58 GMT
#1992
No, he did it once before and got shot down immediately.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 16 2012 01:02 GMT
#1993
I'd read dump, but I don't have much to add to what Palmar had said. I'm still much more hesitant on Djo however. VE will probably be my lynch target of choice if I'm alive.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
December 16 2012 01:05 GMT
#1994
Day 3


[image loading]


Clarity_nl, the Vigilante, and Palmar, the Vanilla Townie, were blown to pieces.

+ Show Spoiler [Flips of Today and Night 2] +


One bullet. One opportunity. That’s all you’ve got to prove yourself to these people. Maybe then they’ll ignore the gang tattoos on your arms and the orange jumpsuit you’re wearing. Mess up though and you might just confirm yourself as everyone’s enemy. Everyone else was a passenger - you snuck on board trying to escape the law.


You are a 1-shot Vigilante. As a reminder, you may not claim or refer to any of the flavor in this PM. Claiming your role name (Vigilante) and powers is fine.


It wasn’t supposed to be like this. You were hoping for a vacation away from your normal life. No pressure or work to do, just relaxing as you flew through the clouds. If you’d known this journey was going to be dangerous, you’d have brought something special to help. Oh well. Better luck next time. Assuming you survive, that is.


You are a Vanilla Townie. As a reminder, you may not claim or refer to any of the flavor in this PM. Claiming your role name (Vanilla Townie) and powers is fine.


A test like this doesn’t worry you. You may not be the best at figuring out someone’s intentions. But you’re sure of one thing: when it comes to taking blows and surviving nobody does it better than a boxer. Cauliflower ears, concussions, detached retinas - for some people these would be dangers to worry about. For you, they’re only badges of victory. No single person on this aircraft is going to take you out.


You are a Veteran. As a reminder, you may not claim or refer to any of the flavor in this PM. Claiming your role name (Veteran) and powers is fine.




The day will last for 48 hours until 01:00 GMT (+00:00).
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 16 2012 01:06 GMT
#1995
Unexpected, gl hf town!
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 16 2012 01:07 GMT
#1996
lol that's kinda funny
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 16 2012 01:07 GMT
#1997
Holy shit, they really had a vigi.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 16 2012 01:09 GMT
#1998
Way to fight the good fight guys

##Vote VisceraEyes
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 16 2012 01:10 GMT
#1999
Occams razor tells us that Clarity actually being town vig and shooting bugs makes much more sense than this mastermind plan vivax is suggesting..

I think either scum has a vig or town has a vig. Since only one vig shot was used, and vig shots are usually used in day one, then only one faction has vig. I'd lean town vig, because Clarity seems to be playing to his townie meta.

The only weird part about this is that Adam's claim to be able to "prove" he's a vig suggests that he could actually have evidence to back it up. That or he was just simply lying through his teeth to save himself for another day.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 16 2012 01:10 GMT
#2000
When marv's still alive at this point, he needs to be looked at with care.
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