Paranoia Mafia - Page 9

On December 05 2012 03:03 Keirathi wrote:

I could almost agree with that second part if it wasn't for the fact that the counterwagon was on the vig.

I know bugs has an ego though, and I dunno, it just doesn't seem unlikely for a town bugs to say "fuck you guys" before and after the flip.

I'm not even a highly regarded player and I've gotten so frustrated at times that I had to take a break from the thread. So I can definitely see someone like bugs doing it.

On December 02 2012 05:20 wherebugsgo wrote:


yes, let's call scum one of the only players in the game who is not afraid to put forth his opinion.

The fuck are you smoking? Where is your meta read of DP coming from? Based on my cursory reads of his meta and past games, I have to agree 100% with his defense (to BH) and that you're completely wrong about how he plays both mafia and town.

In addition, since when is calling people dumb a scumtell? DP is clearly not afraid to draw attention to himself by saying the thread has so far been useless. I don't find that particularly scummy in most situations, so I don't understand how DP is suddenly the exception.

On December 02 2012 05:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Explain why DP is scummier than Zealos.

Also everything you just said is not backed up by any evidence. I took a completely different interpretation from my reading of DP's posts in past games. Why don't you actually provide some evidence for your claims, since the burden of proof is on you to establish why DP is scum?

On December 02 2012 05:31 wherebugsgo wrote:


Come up with some comparisons of his play here to play in past games that actually show what you're saying.

So far you just seem like you're full of shit, since I can't see what you're talking about. Prove me wrong or I'll start gunning to kill you, since your reasons so far all game have been god awful.

On December 02 2012 05:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
let's kill marvellosity.

Firstly:

he has 6 pages of almost nothing but aggressive one liners. He calls out DP for being aggressive and antitown, yet he's arguably been the most "aggressive" and antitown player all game. I chalked this up to him just being his normal town self, but something seems off in his reasoning this game. He seems artificially bold and he doesn't actually have good reasoning for anything that he's saying.

Indeed he just tried to use a position of authority on DP ("I got his alignment right before" bullshit) instead of actually furthering his case with evidence. When I asked for evidence that supports his claims, he just told me to fuck off. It's clear he's full of hot air and is just a scum flailing around trying to make accusations stick. His accusation on me clearly didn't stick after his half-assed shitty "contradiction" case. It was clear to anyone who was reading the thread that I am not scum, and only the bandwagon-happy and lazy players actually agreed with him.

Check this out:



How does he know what I think based on one post I made at the time? He says I had no intention on following up on my questions, before i had posted anything. ??? He calls out Zealos at some point for misrepresentation, yet this is as shining of an example of misrepresentation as one could ever find.

##unvote Zealos
##vote marvellosity

On December 02 2012 06:23 marvellosity wrote:


It's very hard to explain a feel meta-read on a guy. Bear in mind I've pretty much coached/hosted/played in every single game he's played in if I recall.

Town tells I pick up on his play are when he's lighthearted in the middle of otherwise serious discussions.

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Other than the initial phase of trolling, I've not seen that here.

On Day 1s DP is also less aggressive than he's inclined to be as scum. More constructive, like I said. Look at his attitude here as town:

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Also remember in Mario he was quite apologetic for quite a while about being absent and busy, and was only later in the day he started getting aggressive as he felt he might get lynched.

Here he viciously attacks Lazermonkey (oh by the way, also in the quotes above are how he deals with scumreads day 1 - he's not sure!). Having treeated Xatalos 'protectively' he lays into Lazer and after shouting at him a lot finally says that he's not going to bother dealing with him anymore.

DP feels much more confident unilaterally calling things shit or retarded day 1 as scum because he knows people's alignments and he knows how the game is running and he has some sense of control. Unlike when he's town when on one hand he firmly believes in his reads but at the same time recognises that his reads are often wrong, and so he interacts with the town more on them.

Town DP I know doesn't call the whole town retarded when town is actually working to try to get somewhere.

On December 02 2012 08:45 wherebugsgo wrote:


Keep talking, you give me more ammo every time you do.

You complain that no one had "adequate reason" to vote you, yet you simply throw around unsubstantiated shit like "you're misrepresenting the thread".

The simple fact is, there exists documented evidence that I was right about DP and that you were full of hot air. If you are town you need to realize this. The fact that you refuse to realize it either means you're just a stubborn townie who's playing badly (certainly possible) or, my hypothesis, that you're pressured scum.

On December 05 2012 05:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
debears, am I correct when I say you got down Keir and WBG as scum team?

On December 05 2012 05:33 Xatalos wrote:


I suppose MrZentor can wait, since it's close to deadline and he isn't even really related to the lynch at hand.

By the way, I just had a strange thought. What if the remaining scum were ShiaoPi and austinmcc? I've had austinmcc as a townread for so long, but he's been pretty unimpactful during Day 2 - and recently he's been soft defending ShiaoPi, and simultaneously boarding the opposing bandwagon (WBG). Them being a team would make lots of sense (at least if it wasn't for my original townread on austinmcc).

Now, back to WBG. I sometimes start doubting him when reading your (debears etc.) arguments against him, but I have the terrible feeling that I would regret heavily voting for him instead of ShiaoPi. Yeah, he hasn't been as helpful as he could/should have, but the same applies to marvellosity - and he was town of course. The points against WBG aren't really scumtells - they're nulltells that could mean either town or Mafia. They would also mostly apply to marvellosity. There are always two people in a flamefest, and they were both equally guilty for it IMO. Both were caught up in a senseless waste of time, resorting to petty insults and otherwise ignorant posts. I don't think this is condemning for either of them though. In fact, looking at where it has gotten WBG (half the players wanting to lynch him) I doubt he would have entered such a useless interaction with marvellosity in the first place as Mafia. It just makes no sense. Okay, there's the theory that scum WBG wanted to "neutralize" marvellosity's contributions before he could be shot. Is something bizarre like that really worth reducing your own credibility and raising yourself to the spotlight (and to the lynch candidates)? It's far too risky for far too little gain. Occam's razor again points to the simplest explanation: it was just two townies having a stupid argument where neither of them was going to benefit from it in any concrete way. There's always the chance that I'm wrong, but I'm pretty confident that I'm making the right choice right now.

On December 05 2012 06:11 Lazermonkey wrote:
Jesus christ this is hard. I really don't know if I'd rather kill ShiaoPi or WBG tbh... The fact that WBG is absent with less than 2 hours untill lynch is strange.

On December 05 2012 06:44 austinmcc wrote:
To some extent here Keirathi, you're ... not backing up far enough.

Part of your argument here is that you know Marv well enough to know that he didn't think WBG was scum during N1. Yes, you've got some reason to think that, but you've also got to understand you're two generations removed.

You're relying on yourself being able to interpret marv's actions/thoughts. You're also relying on marv's thoughts being correct. Doesn't mean that your arguments shouldn't be given weight, but you need to recognize that you're stringing two possibilities together here in order to get to your argument, and we can't be certain about either.

On October 27 2012 09:43 debears wrote:
Very impressive guys

We lynch the fucking jailkeeper, and all I see is "he should of claimed" and "hrm".

What the hell? This isn't suspicious as hell. Inig was at the top of the vote column and then suddenly this dauod lynch gains momentum for reasons that differed slightly from Inig's case? Not only that, he wasn't there to defend himself and NO ONE ELSE WAS DEFENDING HIM FFS. How is that not a sign of town???? WHY THE FUCK WOULD MAFIA BUS SOMEONE LIKE HIM WHEN INIG WAS THE LEADING VOTE GETTER. Is it not telling how suddenly momentum on Dauod came about? Inig comes in and says some stuff and everyone goes "oh he's noob town obviously". Just awesome.

double FOS Inig

I'm going to fucking cool off so I don't shoot myself. I'll look over the thead and figure this out

FOS anyone who voted for Inig