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Lazermonkey
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Can you confirm this NOT being bastard setup Jingle? | ||
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On December 05 2012 15:10 DoYouHas wrote: Why should I be lynched? Because of some random WIFOM + how VE talked to me?I had forgotten that MrZ and BH's PMs say that the other one was town (meaning they either both have to be town, or both have to be scum). That puts me back in my original thinking. Lazer needs to be lynched. | ||
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On December 05 2012 23:24 debears wrote: With BHs Pm saying Zentor is town, their both alignments are guaranteed to be the same. And not in a billion years will anyone make me belive that BH is scum. Period. I will present my read on Keir close to deadline.Keir, my main problem right now is that the role PM Mrz posted is substantially different from yours, WBG, and all the other ones 1) the highlighting 2) That their pm said the other is town That, combined with the fact that I don't think there are 4 masons. So I would have to think that BH and MrZ are scum then. I just don't see it. | ||
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On December 06 2012 02:11 debears wrote: What? Wait Laser why Keir???? | ||
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[QUOTE]On December 06 2012 02:23 Lazermonkey wrote: [QUOTE]On December 06 2012 02:11 debears wrote: Wait Laser why Keir????[/QUOTE]What? [/QUOTE] You said present ur read on keir Like do you mean scumread?[/QUOTEI don't want to reveal that right now as I feel it might get scum valuable info on getting the best kill. I will say all my reads close to deadline. | ||
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On December 06 2012 03:27 Lazermonkey wrote: I don't want to reveal that right now as I feel it might get scum valuable info on getting the best kill. I will say all my reads close to deadline. | ||
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On December 06 2012 02:59 debears wrote: I don't want to reveal that right now as I feel it might get scum valuable info on getting the best kill. I will say all my reads close to deadline.You said present ur read on keir Like do you mean scumread? | ||
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MrZentor/BH/DYH - town. The end. ShiaoPi - scum for obvious reasons. Kill with fire PLZ. Keir - While I think it's absolutely crazy that we would have 2 mason pair, where one of them are autoconfirmed to each other, I don't think we can hold such things against someone. You should vote because you find a person scummy, NOT because you find it wierd that there are too many masons(or any other role for that matter). This is especially relevant because we are in a closed setup. So, I don't actually find Keirs play scummy. His interactions with WBG during the lynch feelt geniune and town. I also think the way he pushed BH earlier was stupid in a way but it was something a scum probebly never should ever dare to do. Another, albeit somewhat WIFOMy, is the fact that I don't think scum Keir would put down SO much effort in trying to save WBG. Xata - I'm starting to reconsider my earlier town read on him. I don't like is the fact that he hasn't truly put down his foot and said ''I really think this guy is scum, we should lynch him'' yet. Yes, I know that this is basically did just this with ShiaoPi but bear in mind that he is probebly dead no matter what and that this could very well be a buss attempt from his side. Just look through his filter if you don't get what I mean. I will probebly look more into this during the day tho. Austin - I think he is quite town except for the fact that his interactions with ShiaoPi have indeed been strange as hell. Haven't looked too much into him tho, will probebly do a deeper analysis later. Debears - Probebly town. Sandroba - I haven't done very much analysis on him either. However one of his posts earlier today caught my attention a bit. On December 05 2012 21:28 sandroba wrote: Remember that Sandrobawas not present during the lynch. Not even close, He basically went afk about 12 hours before it. Also, he doesn't actually comment on anything regarding the lynch. Just that it's bad. Saying stuff like this risk to demoralize town. So why would someone as town say this? I really don't see the motivation for it. Not really lych worthy but still. I will look more closely into sandroba later.wow. you guys. really. you make me sad. | ||
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You didn't claim. You didn't make a case on him. I don't agree with the fact that you did the above points. I don't agree with that you chose to try to question sandroba. However me disagreeing heavily with you doesn't necesarily make you scum. However, the way question sandroba is so incredibly weak. After the night, you post 3 posts asking him questions. Also, during this period of time you claim to have a town read on sandroba. How does this encourage him giving out reads? Had you said that you were leaning scum/null then sandroba would be forced to convince you that he is in fact town, thus increasing the chance for him to give out his reads. Also, as a response to this post of deabears. On December 06 2012 10:00 debears wrote: This way is thinking would be good if the probebility of Sandro and Austin being scum would be equal to each other. However, I think scum Austin are far more likely.Ok here are my thoughts on the situation 1. Austin lying and we lynch him: We get a scum Sandro most likely confirmed town 2. Austin telling the truth and we lynch him: We lost our watcher Sandro scum confirmed 3. Austin lying and we lynch Sandro: Austin confirmed scum We lose an inactive townie 4. Austin telling the truth and we lynch Sandro: We get a scum Austin most likely watcher Results in which we kill scum first attempt: 1,4 Results in which we get confirmed scum as other after killing a townie: 2,3 So I think the question is which out of 2 or 3 is more favorable for town? The answer is 3 Austin has been active, he has made reads. If he is the watcher it gives the mafia someone to kill as priority Sandro has not been active. He has not made much in terms of read. Scum wouldn't be inclined to nk him quickly Based on the above, from a purely neutral view, lynching sandro is the better choice based purely on how much we lose if austin is telling the truth and we lynch him first. I will ponder the claim and how austin acted n2. But I would like to share this. As of now I would rather lynch Sandro first ##Vote Austinmcc | ||
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Also, I'm not sure which games you mean, but I usually don't look into meta very much, and if I do, it's usually never a mayor part of my read against someone. But I can check I guess. Regarding Sandroba, no I haven't looked into him. As a matter of fact, I haven't looked into anyone today because I was really busy IRL. Will probebly be able to do that tomorrow. I did have a slight scum read on him, yes. But I didn't feel like pushing his lynch would be very beneficial because my scum reads on other players were much stronger. Regarding my reads comming in late, that's what I always do. I feel like talking too much about reads during the night will help scum getting the best possible shot off. | ||
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On December 07 2012 05:24 Keirathi wrote: Well, your point is wrong. You're missing the point I was trying to make. If Austin was scum and wanted to fake claim to get sandro lynched, it would have made infinitely more sense to claim after the day post and say sandro killed DYH night 2. The problem is that if Austin is town and had a red check yesterday...well pretty much anything else would have made infinitely more sense than what he actually did. I don't know how to decide if his play was terrible scum or terrible town. There is no fucking way in hell he would get away watching anyone but Marv N1. The fact that you even try to use arguments like this makes me wonder if you actually are town. | ||
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On December 07 2012 06:02 austinmcc wrote: My bad then. But how would you claiming D3 after seeing DYH get killed make you look any better? You are missing the point. It's not that I would have claimed to watch someone else N1. It's that I could have claimed at the start of D3 to have watched DYH N2, and seen Sandroba kill him. Nobody is talking about watching other targets N1. | ||
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On December 07 2012 06:01 austinmcc wrote: This should read ''Austin, I explained why I think your TOWN play is very suboptimal in my post quite clear.'' : /. Sorry if that tricked you. I said that you made ALOT of errors in your play town, if you would be town. But the only errors that comes in mind if you are scum is that the timing of the claim is a bit peciliar. But that comes down to WIFOM abit and I also don't know what roles scum have so I don't think it's a very strong point. I cannot be more precise than this tbh.Where is the difference? If I'm claiming watcher with a red check on Sandroba, whether real or fake, and I'm behaving in a way that doesn't match up with my claim, why is the town claim less optimal? You haven't actually said that. You said said it wouldn't be optimal scum play, and gave reasons why it would be bad town play. But you didn't explain why you think one is for some reason less optimal than the other. Why is it slightly bad as scum but super duper bad as town? You may want to look into the other lynch candidate today before voting. It would probably be a good idea to actually vote based on both of us, no? Beyond that, what do you think about Xatalos right now? Yes, and I will, like I said. But the amount of time I'm able to play today is quite limited so I decided to focus on you as I felt his alignment comes naturaly after I was able to decide yours. My read on Xata is unchanged. I haven't observed him today. | ||
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Good night. | ||
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I get slight scum vibes from some parts of his filter. Like the post I mentioned earlier or the fact that he basically went ''Austin scum KKTHXBAI'' when you claimed kill check on him. I also think his filter is WAY too small given the time this game has taken. About 60% of his posts are in fact one liners. While posting very little can just be a trait of a lazy town, I still don't like it. Yes, I must agree with that Sandroba has far from convinced me that he is town. In fact, had it not been for your claim, he might've been my second or third scum read for today. But given that you and him CANNOT have the same alignment(at least you cannot both be town and I'm okay with lynching you if he is bussing you nonetheless...), I simply think It's far more likely for you to be scum than for him to be. | ||
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On December 07 2012 23:55 austinmcc wrote: I'm not sure what your point is. This basically all boils down to that I was suspcious of Sandroba and yet I am voting you but guess what? You cannot both be town and I find you more likely to be scum. If you are voting me, you are placing you vote with lazermonkey's. Lazermonkey who said N2 he hadn't done much analysis on Sandroba, and had problems with one of Sand's posts coming from town - + Show Spoiler + On December 06 2012 07:59 Lazermonkey wrote: Sandroba - I haven't done very much analysis on him either. However one of his posts earlier today caught my attention a bit. Remember that Sandrobawas not present during the lynch. Not even close, He basically went afk about 12 hours before it. Also, he doesn't actually comment on anything regarding the lynch. Just that it's bad. Saying stuff like this risk to demoralize town. So why would someone as town say this? I really don't see the motivation for it. Not really lych worthy but still. I will look more closely into sandroba later. Lazermonkey who drops a vote on me. Lazermonkey who admits that he hasn't looked at Sandroba (despite voting to lynch me), but will have lots of time today! + Show Spoiler + On December 07 2012 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote: Regarding Sandroba, no I haven't looked into him. As a matter of fact, I haven't looked into anyone today because I was really busy IRL. Will probebly be able to do that tomorrow. I did have a slight scum read on him, yes. But I didn't feel like pushing his lynch would be very beneficial because my scum reads on other players were much stronger. This is the company you're keeping. | ||
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