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On December 02 2012 05:14 marvellosity wrote: yeah i don't like any of it. I'm hesitant on Zealos because his play always comes across as super weakly to me. Although why he keeps referring to some game which was more than half my mafia career ago I have no idea. Xatalos has managed to post so much without saying almost anything which is irritating. What makes me hesitant is that I can understand his thought process on some things. I also am having an extremely hard time getting town reads this game, and the timing of your debears case did seem opportunistic at the time (not even saying that's what it was, but I had that gut reaction at the time reading the thread). Ace is a dick bugs is a dick Zentor is Zentor ShiaoPi is pointless All DYH has done is talk about Xatalos Dandel has sat on his arse doing nothing literally all day. I think... I want to lynch DarthPunk. I found his early defence of Xatalos quite bizarre and unnecessary. Not only this, it has been quite out of play with his subsequent play. DarthPunk tells us he was "feeling protective" of newbie Xatalos. But he treats Lazermonkey, someone with not many games and with similar standing in the game, as a piece of fucking shit on the bottom of his shoe. He also calls the whole thread useless and retards, which jarred at the point that a lot of us were genuinely trying to talk through Xatalos and other matters. It was just shitty ranting for the sake of shitty ranting. I'm also not picking up any of the towntells I normally get from DP. They might just be absent and he's town, but I don't think so. He's aggressive without being helpful and I think we should lynch him today. ##vote: DarthPunk I think there are many better lynch candidates out there than DarthPunk. He has been active and transparent with his opinions. Any of Zealos, ShiaoPi, VE, DYH, Dandel Ion would make for a better lynch. Why DarthPunk over all these other players? | ||
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On December 02 2012 05:25 marvellosity wrote: because I think DP has a higher chance of flipping scum than any of those players for reasons i just gave. I think you're putting too much weight into metagames. I'd say it's better to lynch someone who is acting scummy in the thread than someone who might be playing according to his scum meta (or not). You guessed my alignment correctly once when I was Mafia and you were observing based on meta, but meta shouldn't be the only or even primary tool of playing. | ||
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On December 02 2012 05:33 Ace wrote: Xata, bugs switch your votes to marv. I think he's Scum. Why do you think marvellosity is Mafia? I don't agree with everything he's said but I don't see him being this active and influential in the discussion if he was Mafia. At least show some reasoning for that. | ||
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It's not. Have you even read my posts? I only mentioned his inactivity when I compared marvellosity and Zealos. But it wasn't the reason I voted for Zealos. I clearly said that his bandwagoning and non-existent contribution with his posts was the reason. On December 02 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote: I am Detective now fuck off all of you. Well, that's a surprising move. Seems too risky for Mafia, considering the high chance of a counterclaim (forcing a 50% Mafia lynch rate and unavoidable death in 2 days' time). For now I'm quite comfortable with this not being a fake claim. This leaves Zealos and DarthPunk then. I don't like DarthPunk's absence, but Zealos is the one we should lynch. He was even online a short time ago (not sure if he's now) but he's only dug himself deeper recently and hasn't done ANYTHING truly townish so far. DarthPunk on the other hand has contributed his reads openly and participated in the Mafia hunt. Which of these should be the lynch? | ||
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On December 02 2012 05:14 marvellosity wrote: yeah i don't like any of it. I'm hesitant on Zealos because his play always comes across as super weakly to me. Although why he keeps referring to some game which was more than half my mafia career ago I have no idea. Xatalos has managed to post so much without saying almost anything which is irritating. What makes me hesitant is that I can understand his thought process on some things. I also am having an extremely hard time getting town reads this game, and the timing of your debears case did seem opportunistic at the time (not even saying that's what it was, but I had that gut reaction at the time reading the thread). Ace is a dick bugs is a dick Zentor is Zentor ShiaoPi is pointless All DYH has done is talk about Xatalos Dandel has sat on his arse doing nothing literally all day. I think... I want to lynch DarthPunk. I found his early defence of Xatalos quite bizarre and unnecessary. Not only this, it has been quite out of play with his subsequent play. DarthPunk tells us he was "feeling protective" of newbie Xatalos. But he treats Lazermonkey, someone with not many games and with similar standing in the game, as a piece of fucking shit on the bottom of his shoe. He also calls the whole thread useless and retards, which jarred at the point that a lot of us were genuinely trying to talk through Xatalos and other matters. It was just shitty ranting for the sake of shitty ranting. I'm also not picking up any of the towntells I normally get from DP. They might just be absent and he's town, but I don't think so. He's aggressive without being helpful and I think we should lynch him today. ##vote: DarthPunk Maybe I'm biased because DP indeed didn't jump on me. I wouldn't still call it a contradiction that he didn't jump on me but started pushing Lazermonkey. Aren't you allowed to decide your reads on a player-per-player basis? I see no sense in clumping all newer players together somehow. And calling the thread useless isn't a Mafia tell... If anything, it's a slight town tell. Mafia wouldn't want to gather negative attention for literally no gain at all. And the thread seriously WAS mostly useless until later on, although it was starting to get better before DP posted that. I think we're making a big mistake if we let Zealos off the hook and lynch DP while he's been AFK for quite some time. | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:27 wherebugsgo wrote: LOL what kind of shit cop claims day 1? Of all people marv would know that this is a terrible idea as town. So, guess what? HE'S NOT TOWN! To be fair, votes were piling up on him and this was perhaps the only way out of the predicament. If I were a Detective and in that situation, I'd do the same. | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:55 DoYouHas wrote: You guys are really last minute vote switching on to me... ugh. You think I'm not scumhunting? I found scum, I pursued him, and I spent the rest of my time trying to persuade the rest of you. Good luck all, you are going to need it. You vets should know better. These last minute switches never hit scum. In fact.. what have you been doing for the last 50 minutes? It looks like you've been following the thread but did nothing after bandwagoning DP without reasoning. I'm starting to feel good about this lynch. | ||
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On December 02 2012 08:25 Blazinghand wrote: Well no here's the thing: I doubt he'd have claimed last minute if his claim was TRUE. Like, if DYH claimed 30 minutes before deadline or whenever votes piled up on him it'd make sense, but why claim when there's almost no time for town to consolidate onto any wagon but DPs? This is why DYH has earned very little cred in my book. He escaped the D1 lynch but I extend him no more courtesy than that. Hmmm. I guess you're right if we assume that he estimated he might still be saved with that claim. But it was technically after the deadline, although the votes after that were still counted somehow, so I'm not so sure about that. I got the gut feeling that he would have claimed at least a bit earlier if it was a fake claim - not very likely too late. Like, what's the point in fake claiming after the deadline has passed? Something tells me it could very well be frustrated townie. But we'll see about that before tomorrow in any case. | ||
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On December 02 2012 16:11 DoYouHas wrote: I expected to catch some flak for my voteswitch onto DP, something like that always does. My vote on Xata was doing nothing. There were 3 viable lynch candidates, none of which I had a strong opinion on (with the exception of Marv, I was looking to switch to him until the claim. It also didn't sit right with me that by voting Marv I would have been agreeing with Ace, who I am leaning scum on.) That meant for me to help avoid a marv lynch and also make my vote matter, I had to switch to either Zealos or DP. I picked the person who defended my top scum read and had some points against him instead of the fairly inactive person who happened to be backing up my scum read. Not the best reasons, but the honest ones. I cannot comprehend how there is so much doubt around my claim. You all must think I have balls of steel. My claim was in a farewell post, made ON the deadline. I didn't think it would save me. Nor can I think of a single example of scum claiming like that only to have themselves proven a liar 30 seconds later with the nightpost. I also didn't think claiming earlier would have saved me (which would have been like 10 minutes earlier, as that was when I sat back down to watch the nightpost). If there is something you should have learned about me from this game, or from looking at my previous games, is that I play slow, I try to write carefully, and I can be single-minded when I think I am right. None of these aspects fit with trying to spit out my few reads before I am mislynched and then a frustrated farewell (if I am scum). They do fit with a townie me, who is suddenly pressed for time to contribute what little I can before you kill me. You have all put me in a terrible position. Why? because all scum have to do is roleblock me tonight and you will all lynch me tomorrow and do their job for them. But whatever, there isn't anything I can do about that. I'll just try and catch scum in the time I have left, and hopefully that will convince you that I'm town. I can somewhat relate to your reasons for voting DP... Although they're still narrow-minded reasons, they're not necessarily scummy reasons. Combined with my intuition telling me your late roleclaim wasn't any elaborate Mafia tactic (which it could possibly be, but I have problems believing it - Occam's razor points to the simpler explanation), I'm starting to lean slightly town on you. In addition, such heavy tunneling isn't really townish, but it's not an effective Mafia playstyle either. Mafia would rather leave their options open, not limit them willingly. What's a good point is that Mafia might have a roleblocker. If they roleblock you, we're back to square one and have to decide the truth of your roleclaim with what you've said, not with your power usage. In any case, you should claim your shot RIGHT before the deadline. Let's consider the options for Mafia if they don't have time to change their roleblock action based on your target: 1) They can roleblock you, preventing you from becoming a confirmed Vanilla Townie (after your shot has been used). But if you just shoot me or some other townie (and you're not a very threatening presence to Mafia in any case), it might be beneficial for Mafia to let the shot go through. They'd get rid of one townie and just lose one mislynch candidate. 2) They can skip using a roleblock or roleblock marvellosity instead (in case he didn't fakeclaim). This would make you a confirmed Vanilla Townie but potentially prevent marvellosity's night action and most of all likely kill 2 townies in a single night. If you claim your shot early, Mafia will have an easy time deciding their best course of action. If you do it at the deadline, Mafia will have to take a risk and decide their possible roleblock usage without information about your target. Although I guess it has to be me after all this tunneling, which kind of makes me hope you're fakeclaiming, but you never know. Reading the exchange between WBG and BH, I'm starting to lean on WBG being town and BH being Mafia. WBG's reasoning is coherent and townish, but BH looks like he's just dodging issues and ignoring facts while doing what he decided beforehand (pushing the lynch to DP, next up DYH). What's even weirder is the contradiction between his earlier and later playstyle: at first he swinged his vote around for the smallest reasons, but then he wouldn't budge from getting DP lynched no matter what. Where did this confidence suddenly come from, considering his earlier wishy-washiness? And even with his arguments being repeatedly refuted? I'm just getting more and more suspicious of BH the more I think about it. | ||
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