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On November 19 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: /in FOREWARNING: WON'T POST AS MUCH AS USUAL. Nicely done. /in | ||
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On November 19 2012 16:25 Rad wrote: awesome /obs I might /in instead if I can talk myself into it. You totally should | ||
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##Go to elder's house and act like a chicken for 10G, leave, return, repeat | ||
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Just got lynched in my other game so can focus on this starting tomorrow. I nominate myself as our heroic leader because almost everyone here doesn't know me. That way you won't be fooled by people playing wifom games with their meta! | ||
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On November 21 2012 11:56 sandroba wrote: I think I would rather avoid name claiming for right now given the HP issue. It will probably help mafia assort their kp more effectively. Do you know something we don't about scum kp system? | ||
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On November 21 2012 11:59 sandroba wrote: Yes. I have the power of logic on my side. It's very rare these days. So you're saying that you deduced that scum will know hp by flavor claims, or anything for that matter? Please explain to us idiots. | ||
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I agree that any claim idea right now is terrible and shouldn't really be discussed. | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote: Useless. Don't post like this. Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong. | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:29 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 12:27 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote: On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote: random fluff post, Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong. Scum will have to choose another person or risk showing their hand and causing the event to fail. Town can freely choose themselves since they know they'll only help with the event. Doesn't seem chaotic to me. Why is it seeming chaotic to you? Because you're throwing a second layer of wifom into the mix. | ||
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Moving on... I agree with hapa that the person we vote for has to be clear town, but not newbie town as they need to be strong analytically. | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:57 Promethelax wrote: Sharing is great when votes are made, It is early in the day and allowing everyone to continue to play without knowledge of each others town reads is probably for the best. No need for scum to get a chance to plant seeds of doubt on our town reads or to keep working on rowing themselves as townies if we have green reads on them right now. You'll know my town read when I am confidant enough in it to place a vote. I'd like to learn Acro's at the same time. I'd rather have scum trying to fuck with us than not. | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:13 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 13:05 iamperfection wrote: also why do we have to have the leader select all 3 wouldn't it be best for the town to put some input on the other team members? That was my original train of thought. But should the decision become the leader's, that puts a TON of pressure on him (if he is very transparent in his thoughts), and helps consolidate our read on said leader. But if we put up our strongest townread, doesn't that defeat the purpose? I think we should play more to our wincon when it comes to missions and just scumhunt like it's a regular game. | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:24 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 13:21 Clarity_nl wrote: It would make sense if it wasn't actively against town wincon. We want mafia dead, sure, but we want lavos dead more. Lavos appears at a predetermined time we can't control OR when all mafia are dead. We want mafia dead. I stand corrected. Still I don't believe using who we elect as a way to scumhunt is the proper way to go about things. We don't know what happens if we fail a mission. | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 13:24 Z-BosoN wrote: On November 21 2012 13:21 Clarity_nl wrote: It would make sense if it wasn't actively against town wincon. We want mafia dead, sure, but we want lavos dead more. Lavos appears at a predetermined time we can't control OR when all mafia are dead. We want mafia dead. I only saw the town win con as So yeah.. No, zbo is right. Lavos will spawn at a predetermined time in the game. If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately. | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:33 Dienosore wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 13:29 Z-BosoN wrote: On November 21 2012 13:27 Dienosore wrote: I'm friendly and wise, so really there is no reason NOT to vote for me :D No, you don't get to come in here all nice guy and shit. What do you think of what has happened so far? Reads? Thoughts on who should be party leader? Tip: it's not you. I don't think anything has happened so far, because it hasn't. Just mindless dribble pouring out from people trying to turn nothing into something. Why don't we let the game develop a little first so at least we know what we have to work towards? Because if we all have your attitude nothing would get done. | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:34 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 13:34 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 21 2012 13:33 Dienosore wrote: On November 21 2012 13:29 Z-BosoN wrote: On November 21 2012 13:27 Dienosore wrote: I'm friendly and wise, so really there is no reason NOT to vote for me :D No, you don't get to come in here all nice guy and shit. What do you think of what has happened so far? Reads? Thoughts on who should be party leader? Tip: it's not you. I don't think anything has happened so far, because it hasn't. Just mindless dribble pouring out from people trying to turn nothing into something. Why don't we let the game develop a little first so at least we know what we have to work towards? Because if we all have your attitude nothing would get done. yes thats true but what do you think town or scum for him. No noob gonna do what he did right? If you're new you don't do that, no. But do we know he's not a smurf? | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:36 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 13:35 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 21 2012 13:34 iamperfection wrote: On November 21 2012 13:34 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 21 2012 13:33 Dienosore wrote: On November 21 2012 13:29 Z-BosoN wrote: On November 21 2012 13:27 Dienosore wrote: I'm friendly and wise, so really there is no reason NOT to vote for me :D No, you don't get to come in here all nice guy and shit. What do you think of what has happened so far? Reads? Thoughts on who should be party leader? Tip: it's not you. I don't think anything has happened so far, because it hasn't. Just mindless dribble pouring out from people trying to turn nothing into something. Why don't we let the game develop a little first so at least we know what we have to work towards? Because if we all have your attitude nothing would get done. yes thats true but what do you think town or scum for him. No noob gonna do what he did right? If you're new you don't do that, no. But do we know he's not a smurf? because he has a bunch of posts outside of the mafia section of tl. Ehhh, a fair point. Maybe Dieno can just tell us himself, Dieno? | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:49 Dienosore wrote: Are you under the impression that I'm not serious about wanting to be elected? So you don't care what we'll think about your future reads or opinions, then? | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:53 Dienosore wrote: You sure are giving me an easy route to fly under the radar as long as I stay silly... There is a special place in hell for people like you. | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:55 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 13:53 Dienosore wrote: You sure are giving me an easy route to fly under the radar as long as I stay silly... There is a special place in hell for people like you. Okay I should clarify on this, so let me ask you a question. If you are town why would you want to remove your own credibility? | ||
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On November 21 2012 17:34 Dienosore wrote: In an effort to gain your trust so that I can become the first leader, I have two solid scum reads that I feel need to be shared. Djodref: Supports sandroba, though he (weakly) nominated himself. Wants Clarity and Lamp on his team. Has asked a few times to different people what their reads are. Maybe mining for info? Said "I don't think it would be fair for the scum team not being able to kill the party members" Also, put out a hit on a town marv and town Hapa for being dangerous to the mafia. I'd say 80% sure he is scum goodkarma: Seems to be in favor of Sandroba for pres, even though he nominated himself for it. wants sandroba and promethelax on his team. Put emphasis on finding townies, not scummies, which could mean he is scum. Asked questions that feel as if they come from mafia perspective (dealing with towny death and kill immunity). Attacks back at Keirathi after he explains that we dont know HOW the scum kills by saying "scum must be able to remove it somehow" Uses distancing language "town" when talking about possible medics. I'm 70% sure he is scum. Seems to be town hunting. Okay so you explained what both of them are doing but you have not explained why it is scummy. Djo is "mining info" and goodkarma is "town hunting". Both of which are perfectly reasonable ways to play this game as either alignment. Please don't drop random percentages, and stop posting that poster. | ||
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On November 21 2012 18:14 Dienosore wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 17:55 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 21 2012 17:34 Dienosore wrote: In an effort to gain your trust so that I can become the first leader, I have two solid scum reads that I feel need to be shared. Djodref: Supports sandroba, though he (weakly) nominated himself. Wants Clarity and Lamp on his team. Has asked a few times to different people what their reads are. Maybe mining for info? Said "I don't think it would be fair for the scum team not being able to kill the party members" Also, put out a hit on a town marv and town Hapa for being dangerous to the mafia. I'd say 80% sure he is scum goodkarma: Seems to be in favor of Sandroba for pres, even though he nominated himself for it. wants sandroba and promethelax on his team. Put emphasis on finding townies, not scummies, which could mean he is scum. Asked questions that feel as if they come from mafia perspective (dealing with towny death and kill immunity). Attacks back at Keirathi after he explains that we dont know HOW the scum kills by saying "scum must be able to remove it somehow" Uses distancing language "town" when talking about possible medics. I'm 70% sure he is scum. Seems to be town hunting. Okay so you explained what both of them are doing but you have not explained why it is scummy. Djo is "mining info" and goodkarma is "town hunting". Both of which are perfectly reasonable ways to play this game as either alignment. Please don't drop random percentages, and stop posting that poster. It's less what they are doing, and more of HOW. I'm really good at reading language, like what verb tenses they are using or watching for specific pronoun connotations. For both of these guys, it feels very much to me like they are talking from a mafioso perspective, asking questions a scumlord would ask, etc... That being said, I am not 100% on any of my reads yet and don't really want to throw up any red herrings. All this is only based off of two pages of material. Give me another day or so (assuming these guys keep talking) and I'll have narrowed things down much better. They..... use certain verb tenses and pronoun connotations.....Asking questions a scumlord would ask? Can someone please give me a read on Dieno or tell me I should ignore him, I really want to move on from him but every time I think his idiocy stopped it returns with renewed ego. | ||
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On November 21 2012 18:32 Dienosore wrote: Clarity, is there a reason you are so intent on shutting me down after every post I make? Scared I might find something? -___- No, I actually tried helping you be useful to town, but you brush it off with a joke or with my mindless dribble. I ask you for your town motivations behind looking like a clown and discrediting yourself, and you ignore the question. I ask you for scum motivations behind your reads and you tell me "don't worry, I can read people!" How is anyone supposed to take you seriously? If you are town you are off to a terrible start. If you truly can detect scum by word choice like you claim, then prove it. Make a case and show us a pattern and compare it to a game where they are town that does not have that pattern, and THEN explain why it is scummy. | ||
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Okay, I will back off. Dieno I beg you to look at your own play up until now, and please realize how you look and how you're discrediting yourself. If you are town you want people to take you seriously, and you're going about it the wrong ways. When calling someone scum please don't just explain what they are doing, but also why the motivation might be scummy. | ||
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Feelings from your gut equate to 80% scum? There's a reason I'm the only one responding to you at this point, everyone else is smartly ignoring you. Day 1 is not useless like you claim it to be, and that mindset is a detriment to town. | ||
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On November 21 2012 17:03 Adam4167 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 16:54 phagga wrote: On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote: On November 21 2012 16:12 phagga wrote: I like Sandroba's plan, his logic is sound. However, I find it dangerous to derive a town read from it, nothing is stopping scum to put up this plan to get themselfes elected. Why is everyone asking for town reads? I understand that the mechanics are working differently, but everyone just spreading their townreads like the flu will only make it easier for scum to decide who to shoot at night. People like Keirathi and me who have no desire in being elected D1 should not be giving out any townreads, instead we can actually scum hunt in the traditional way and establish ourselfes as town this way. I even think that most candidates should not be throwing out their town reads unless they seem to be a serious candidate (meaning several people have voiced interest in voting that person). The reason we're not doing traditional scumhunting is because we don't have the power to lynch scum. Our time is best used determining who is most likely town, as we're (hopefully) voting for townies as party leader. I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting. Ok, looks like I need to clarify myself. Townhunting is stupid. Do you know why? Because scum can fake it to no end, since they know who is not scum. Talking about who is townie makes it much easier for scum to blend in, which then makes it much harder for town to choose the right people for their teams. Yes, there may be multiple factions in this game. Still, if we force scum to scumhunt they are more likely to trip as if they can just give their townreads out. So, no, I disagree that this game revolves around townhunting. We find out who is townie by scumhunting, not by townhunting. The issue with forcing people to scumhunt is we have no real way of checking if they're right other than sending the scummy people on a mission and watching it fail, which is not optimal. Apparently, this game is going to play much like the Resistance games - find townies. Eventually, the scum will be forced to disagree with the selected team if it contains no scum, which is where they'll have to display scummy logic to back up their disagreement and that's where we catch them. Just because we cannot confirm it with a lynch does not mean we should not be scumhunting. I imagine there are some blue roles akin to vigilantes, and although we should not direct them, scumhunting will help. Whoever said it earlier is right, if we do nothing but townhunt it will be real easy for scum to hide among town, because townhunting is easy as scum. Scumhunting as scum, that's where the problems begin to show for them. | ||
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On November 21 2012 19:21 Dienosore wrote: I never said day 1 was useless... just that it's nearly impossible to have a perfect read on anyone at this point. And no, I don't expect anyone to actually listen to what I'm saying, especially when there are so many other solid players in the game with us. Maybe once I establish some credibility, sure, but until then I'd imagine I'm going to be generally ignored. Yes, but no one is asking you to make perfect reads. But when you claim you have a "80% scumread and 70% scumread", or when you keep posting that poster that takes up half my screen, is that you trying to be taken seriously? You say you want to be elected party leader and your reasoning is "I'm trustworthy and nice" | ||
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On November 21 2012 21:12 Adam4167 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 21:02 Djodref wrote: On November 21 2012 20:52 Acrofales wrote: On November 21 2012 16:55 Djodref wrote: I would like you to vote for me ! I don't know if I'm going to get the answers from my latest questions to the hosts but I know believe that the best way for the party leader to chose his party members is to do it in complete secrecy. The next day, I would reveal the members if the event resolves in a failure and I would not reveal them if the event resolves in a success. I'm going to base my election campaign on this plan. In a battle of information, you should give the least possible clues to your enemy. Of course, it would mean that you have to totally trust me on this one. Trust me on the fact that I'm town and trust me on my reads ! I'm ok if people would rather townhunt than scumhunt but I think I'll spend the rest of my day scum hunting rather than town hunting and of course promoting my own election ! I'm totally open to discuss the validity of my plan and if anyone has some ideas to contribute to it ##Vote: Djodref Djodref for party leader ! Trust me, I'm town and I have good intuition. I'll take my responsibilities in case of failure, I'll keep the info outside of mafia reach in case of success ! I'll give you everything in due time and I'm promoting traditional scum hunting for day ! What if you get shot? What if the party succeeds and you get shot before you tell us who was on it? Party leader and formation (and the team's subsequent success or failure) seems to be our ONLY source of town-controlled information this game. If you die before you can give this info to town, we lose that information. Seems like a heavy price to pay and a giant target on your head. Also, I somewhat expect the game will reveal the party members. Without that, the mechanics would give us very very little modconfirmed information, which seems unbalanced (although if there is enough KP flying around we probably have flips, etc). Well, obviously, being the only visible target, I'm counting on a doc or a protective role to keep me alive for the night. I'm not sure if the party is going to be revealed or not the day after but I don't see any way for us to be sure if the party leader is going to respect his word concerning his choice for the party members. I would like to get some answers from the hosts before speculating too much on his though. Party revealed or not, there is no way any of us can know that the person we are picking is going to stick to their word and select the team they indicate. The best you can do is put your vote on someone whom you find most likely to do as they say, and who will be transparent about why they are taking the people they are taking. The easiest way to get yourself (mis)lynched (or shot by a blue or whatever this games equivalent will be) is to say one thing as party leader and do the other. The question becomes if it's worth it for scum to sacrifice a mafia member to make town fail a mission, and this all depends on the length of the game, which we know nothing about. I think for now it's safe to assume that it is not, until we get information that says otherwise. I think there's no reason for a candidate to withhold who they will choose for their party though, Djo. As pointed out this is the only information that town has reasonable control over. Transparency is key for any candidate, and lack thereof should be viewed as inherently scummy or misguided. | ||
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On November 21 2012 21:32 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 21:23 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 21 2012 21:12 Adam4167 wrote: On November 21 2012 21:02 Djodref wrote: On November 21 2012 20:52 Acrofales wrote: On November 21 2012 16:55 Djodref wrote: I would like you to vote for me ! I don't know if I'm going to get the answers from my latest questions to the hosts but I know believe that the best way for the party leader to chose his party members is to do it in complete secrecy. The next day, I would reveal the members if the event resolves in a failure and I would not reveal them if the event resolves in a success. I'm going to base my election campaign on this plan. In a battle of information, you should give the least possible clues to your enemy. Of course, it would mean that you have to totally trust me on this one. Trust me on the fact that I'm town and trust me on my reads ! I'm ok if people would rather townhunt than scumhunt but I think I'll spend the rest of my day scum hunting rather than town hunting and of course promoting my own election ! I'm totally open to discuss the validity of my plan and if anyone has some ideas to contribute to it ##Vote: Djodref Djodref for party leader ! Trust me, I'm town and I have good intuition. I'll take my responsibilities in case of failure, I'll keep the info outside of mafia reach in case of success ! I'll give you everything in due time and I'm promoting traditional scum hunting for day ! What if you get shot? What if the party succeeds and you get shot before you tell us who was on it? Party leader and formation (and the team's subsequent success or failure) seems to be our ONLY source of town-controlled information this game. If you die before you can give this info to town, we lose that information. Seems like a heavy price to pay and a giant target on your head. Also, I somewhat expect the game will reveal the party members. Without that, the mechanics would give us very very little modconfirmed information, which seems unbalanced (although if there is enough KP flying around we probably have flips, etc). Well, obviously, being the only visible target, I'm counting on a doc or a protective role to keep me alive for the night. I'm not sure if the party is going to be revealed or not the day after but I don't see any way for us to be sure if the party leader is going to respect his word concerning his choice for the party members. I would like to get some answers from the hosts before speculating too much on his though. Party revealed or not, there is no way any of us can know that the person we are picking is going to stick to their word and select the team they indicate. The best you can do is put your vote on someone whom you find most likely to do as they say, and who will be transparent about why they are taking the people they are taking. The easiest way to get yourself (mis)lynched (or shot by a blue or whatever this games equivalent will be) is to say one thing as party leader and do the other. The question becomes if it's worth it for scum to sacrifice a mafia member to make town fail a mission, and this all depends on the length of the game, which we know nothing about. I think for now it's safe to assume that it is not, until we get information that says otherwise. I think there's no reason for a candidate to withhold who they will choose for their party though, Djo. As pointed out this is the only information that town has reasonable control over. Transparency is key for any candidate, and lack thereof should be viewed as inherently scummy or misguided. @ Clarity I don't think that town has really control of the formation of the party members. The only thing that we control is who is going to be our party leader. I could be elected, stating that my party members are going to be players X,Y and Z, but then send a PM to the hosts during the night action resolution that I'm going to constitute a party of A,B and C. I'm not sure if we can control or at least check this or not. Maybe the following day, maybe not. A mafia player would certainly lie about who is really going to constitute his party but not a town member. If I get elected, I'm going to retain the information of the party members for at least one day, to be sure to keep the mafia in the dark. I've been under the assumption that once the mission happens the day/night post will say who the party consisted of and what the result was, do you think that is not the case? Because if it is the case then it would be a death sentence to lie to everyone and do something you didn't say you would. That leads me back to the "Is it worth it for a scum to sacrifice himself in order to make town fail a mission". The answer to that, for me so far, is no. | ||
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Ok so Djo, do you still believe your plan is the best for a party leader to employ? | ||
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On November 21 2012 22:54 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 11:03 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm reading up on resistance mafia, as it was said the setups might be simillar in some ways and I'm not familiar with it. Just got lynched in my other game so can focus on this starting tomorrow. I nominate myself as our heroic leader because almost everyone here doesn't know me. That way you won't be fooled by people playing wifom games with their meta! this is probably a joke/troll post but if he's serious this is some terrible logic It was a joke/low blow at someone who posted something similar, saying that because we don't know him there's no meta and that's a good reason. | ||
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On November 21 2012 23:01 Oatsmaster wrote: The comments are above the quotes :D Yes, but you accuse me of sheeping hapa when I end the conversation with "quantity of information is not quality of information" Which is what I basically said just before. | ||
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Why did you announce to me that you were making a case, instead of just making it? Do you actually believe I've tunneled Djo? | ||
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On November 21 2012 23:27 iamperfection wrote: also its a null tell because he is well aware of it now. Aren't we clarity? I like my day 1 play, I see no reason to change it. Marv and zbo both had town reads on me last game. | ||
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On November 21 2012 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyone want to say how Clarity acts when he is scum? Djo/iamp/marv? I thought you didn't care for meta reads. | ||
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On November 21 2012 23:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes, I dont really care but since other people are basically using them, why not ask? It doesnt hurt you if you are town right? I really suggest you start giving opinions on matters so that the players are able to make a read on you..; I think dieno is newbie town, I think you are newbie town. Marv seemed sincere in his reasons of why he isn't running. If I had to pick a party leader at this instant, it would be syllo. But I have not read any of his older games yet so I'm going mostly off of what others are saying. The reason marv is saying I haven't been as constructive yet has a couple of reasons, but the main one is that this is a bigger game than I'm used to. I'm fine with the activity but the interactions are much more complex as a result. I think my first 16-24 hours are just me getting my bearings though. | ||
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On November 21 2012 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 23:44 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 21 2012 23:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes, I dont really care but since other people are basically using them, why not ask? It doesnt hurt you if you are town right? I really suggest you start giving opinions on matters so that the players are able to make a read on you..; I think dieno is newbie town, I think you are newbie town. Marv seemed sincere in his reasons of why he isn't running. You know when you say things like this, it really makes it hard for me to think that you are town... You repeated what sandro said earlier without giving any reason on why Dieno and me are town... Yeah I'm sure it's really hard for you to see me as anything as scum, already. Do I have to give reasons for dieno town? I "tunneled" him, and he acted like town, be it dumb town. As for you, you're a new player as far as I'm aware, at least you've mentioned you were multiple times. If you're scum you don't make a case like that early D1 and stick to it after multiple people tell you you're wrong. You didn't "force" any reads out of me, but somehow you already seem obsessed with me which is bad because I'm town. I gave you reads to silence you and go look somewhere else. | ||
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On November 21 2012 23:51 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 23:44 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 21 2012 23:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes, I dont really care but since other people are basically using them, why not ask? It doesnt hurt you if you are town right? I really suggest you start giving opinions on matters so that the players are able to make a read on you..; I think dieno is newbie town, I think you are newbie town. Marv seemed sincere in his reasons of why he isn't running. If I had to pick a party leader at this instant, it would be syllo. But I have not read any of his older games yet so I'm going mostly off of what others are saying. The reason marv is saying I haven't been as constructive yet has a couple of reasons, but the main one is that this is a bigger game than I'm used to. I'm fine with the activity but the interactions are much more complex as a result. I think my first 16-24 hours are just me getting my bearings though. What has people been saying in particular that makes you feel confident in syllo? Mainly marv's opinion maybe an hour or so ago. I think even a scum marv would be truthful about this matter. Your interaction with him also seems sincere from both sides. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 21 2012 17:16 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 17:04 Keirathi wrote: On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote: On November 21 2012 16:12 phagga wrote: I like Sandroba's plan, his logic is sound. However, I find it dangerous to derive a town read from it, nothing is stopping scum to put up this plan to get themselfes elected. Why is everyone asking for town reads? I understand that the mechanics are working differently, but everyone just spreading their townreads like the flu will only make it easier for scum to decide who to shoot at night. People like Keirathi and me who have no desire in being elected D1 should not be giving out any townreads, instead we can actually scum hunt in the traditional way and establish ourselfes as town this way. I even think that most candidates should not be throwing out their town reads unless they seem to be a serious candidate (meaning several people have voiced interest in voting that person). The reason we're not doing traditional scumhunting is because we don't have the power to lynch scum. Our time is best used determining who is most likely town, as we're (hopefully) voting for townies as party leader. I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting. Hope that helps. I see a couple people have questions for me. I'll make a followup post for them within the hour and then I'm calling it a night. Damnit, I was in bed and checked the thread once more from my phone and had to get up to come back and reply to this because of how vehemently I disagree. First: On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote: This game employs a Party Election system. Most of the time (in place of the lynch) players will be voting on a “Party Leader”. The party leader will be elected each day the town is faced with an “event” (this will be notified in the daypost). Notice that it says MOST OF THE TIME there won't be a lynch, implying that there will be a traditional lynch at some point (presumably on non-event days). Also: On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote: Factions and win conditions At some point in the game Lavos will be summoned. The powers and nature of Lavos are hidden until 1999 AD. Win conditions are based around Lavos. Lavos will spawn at a predetermined time in the game. If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately. Notice the "If all mafia die." How exactly are mafia ever going to die in this game if all we do is townhunt the whole game? I'm going to guess they aren't going to get punished for being selected into the party (and actually, probably rewarded), so they won't be dying from that. So, that only really leaves 1) lynch whenever that's what we do for the day 2) town vigs shooting the scum and 3) third party having some sort of KP Both 1 and 2 require scumhunting. Also, scumhunting narrows down possible town reads. Basically I 100% disagree with you that the only thing we should be doing is townhunting. This is a good catch. I was under the impression that the party minigames would alter the fate of the game, and be our means for outing scum. It would seem there might also be a traditional component as well. It still, however, doesn't change the fact that whoever we choose it's going to be because we think they're town, and that they will automatically become a high priority for the scum team. We can't be as hesitant to share some town reads + Show Spoiler + (and I'm not suggesting, to be clear, people provide a full list of reads for every player or any other such nonsense) I should reword what I said, then, as follows.: Until such a time where lynching becomes an available option, we should be prioritizing townhunting over scumhunting as we choose our party leader and members. | ||
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On November 22 2012 00:15 goodkarma wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 00:07 Clarity_nl wrote: Goodkarma do you still believe we should be focusing on townhunting until there is a possibility to lynch? -snip- At the very least, I believe we should townhunt until we have chosen a party leader. If we argue who is scum, while working towards choosing who is town for our party, I fear we'll get a bit overwhelmed. Scumhunting very well might derail conversations for party selection, and townhunting might derail scumhunting discussions... I am a strong supporter of establishing scum by process of elimination this game for that reason, and this is the approach I plan on taking as I just discussed in my last post. What do you think about this: We want to consolidate on who to elect rather quickly, or at least narrow the field significantly. Once we've done that everyone but the elected person can go scumhunting, people end up finding town when they scumhunt anyway. As long as the elected person is transparent about his reads and choices, we can simply read his analysis rather than have 20 people make their own. | ||
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On November 22 2012 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 00:38 Clarity_nl wrote: Oats now I'm even more curious why you made a case on me, with that comment. Sorry, which comment? Also thread is kinda slow, I like to talk about stuff :D + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote: kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that. Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by. I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern | ||
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On November 21 2012 18:22 CaveJohnson wrote: I just woke up to 200 messages in the thread so you are going to have to give me a while to read them. Don't vote for me Don't bring me on events (At least not this cycle) We will need a Medic, Vigilante and probably someone with 999 hp for Lavos so if you can only use your ability once you might want to think about that. I'll be back in a few hours. I just needed to /confirm Does it strike anyone else as odd that CaveJohnson mentioned an actual hp number? I've been trying to figure it out, but isn't this either a bad move as town (gives scum information about you) or .... some weird scum ploy that I can't see because I would need more information. | ||
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On November 22 2012 04:14 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 13:05 iamperfection wrote: also why do we have to have the leader select all 3 wouldn't it be best for the town to put some input on the other team members? I feel like this was already discussed to death (with thechronicler's terrible plan, among others); why bring it up again just then? Oh the irony. Anyway I'm back and catching up =] | ||
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While I appreciate the fact that you're trying to "think of the endgame" we don't know what an endgame will look like at all in this format. We don't know how many (if any at all) lynches we'll have. For all we know there is no such thing as lylo. Yet you are suggesting we get rid of people who give off a newb town vibe because they might be a problem later? Seriously, our win con is defeating Lavos, with a secondary objective of killing scum. How will getting rid of a newb towny help town? | ||
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On November 21 2012 22:25 sandroba wrote: I wont take clarity with me if I get elected. He smells funny. This post has been begging for a follow up for a while now. Where is it? | ||
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You say the only definite thing we need for Lavos (endgame, win condition) is firepower. But you think of newb townies as a liability, rather than an asset? Yes of course if they contribute more/better that will help, but do you really believe you're going about this the right way? Lylo is lynch or lose. It MIGHT not apply to this game. You're talking about reaching a state where town cannot win, there is a difference. | ||
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On November 22 2012 05:28 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 05:26 CaveJohnson wrote: On November 22 2012 05:23 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, so walk me through how failing an event will be a newbie's fault. Especially if you know they're newbies. When all the "vets" are dead with only them alive do you really believe they will have the knowledge and experience to make the correct choice? No. Failure of events = newbies fault Go. Yeah, this. Also.. On November 22 2012 05:26 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 05:23 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, so walk me through how failing an event will be a newbie's fault. Especially if you know they're newbies. When all the "vets" are dead with only them alive do you really believe they will have the knowledge and experience to make the correct choice? So you're not comfortable making scumreads and acting on them? You expect to win by killing/lynching the newb town players? All you'd be doing is securing a loss. If town kills/lynches a newb town, that doesn't suddenly stop scum from killing vets. It just gives us one less chance to kill/lynch scum. | ||
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On November 22 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 05:42 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote: On November 22 2012 05:36 phagga wrote: On November 22 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote: CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal. why is that townie? I would expect a townie to want to be part of every mission if possible, as it will make sure that at least that spot is not occupied by scum (from that specific townies point of view). If a townie has a low "success modifier". I could see him not wanting to be picked especially in the early game where its much more likely that a scum (or two) are picked for the team inadvertently and it could cause mission loss. How the hell do you have any idea what your HIDDEN success modifier is? What CaveJohnson's post made me think of was 3rd party. I thought syllo was referring to the fact that a 3rd party didn't want to come along on the mission was "townie", because he at least cares enough about the town to warn them off. So why do you think I said that, then? Don't do that, just answer his question. | ||
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On November 22 2012 05:53 iamperfection wrote: well like clarity my info is different so different from me is usually not good I think we can't read too much into it, nor should we try to extract more information like this. Scum just make everyone post their role pm in the QT and they have a pretty good idea of how roles work and what town might have. Town on the other hand does not know anything, so any information that is in our pms should not be shared, as it benefits scum more than town. Does that make sense? | ||
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On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote: Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in a separate thread. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses). 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. #4 | ||
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On November 22 2012 06:33 BioSC wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 06:16 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm not that impressed Bio. A townread on marv, syllo, sand and the fact that we shouldnt be scumhunting, but we should. If you aren't going to read my one post, why should I be impressed with you? I did read it. Tell me what I got wrong. | ||
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The list of people who are not answering questions asked to them is growing, and it's rather infuriating. Guess I'm gonna go look at some filters and then head to bed. Will be around for a bit longer. | ||
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On November 22 2012 07:40 BioSC wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 07:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Bio please answer Acro's question. Please expand on your townread on marv. Would you like me to state for the third time why? I said, I agree with his stance on what we should be doing in regards to the Party Election. I agree with his stance on CJ looking back through CJ's filter. I wanted to have 3 people whom I believed to be town in my party, based on early play, so there it is. It's based on him being in my top 3 town reads at the moment. Why is it not ok for marv to be one of my town reads this early, when it's ok for you to sheep him? Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 01:20 Clarity_nl wrote: I am sheeping marv. I believe that whether marv is town or scum, the way he plays scum from what I've read is he tries to lie as little as possible. I think consolidating at the moment is important so people can stop focusing on townreads and focus on scumreads, and I don't have time to read 3-4 games of every player that is being nominated if I still want to contribute today. Because in my sheeping I reasoned that even sheeping a scum marv on that issue would be fine. It says it right there, after the part you bolded. It's fine if marv is one of your town reads, but I don't like/understand your reasoning. The only thing you mention is that he has the same view on how to handle party creation as you, but I don't think there are many people who disagree with that... so why marv? | ||
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On November 22 2012 07:00 iamperfection wrote: well marv you said you can see how he could give you a town read on that. Could you explain that a little better On November 22 2012 07:03 marvellosity wrote: no, iamp, you can wait for Bio to answer himself. Which seems reasonable to me. | ||
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On November 22 2012 08:00 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 06:45 Clarity_nl wrote: marv how do you feel about cave's recent interactions with me, and sudden disappearance? I (if lynching exists in this game) want to lynch Clarity. 1 He's spamming. It's all asking people questions, promoting more spam. He is someone who is making this game very hard for town to keep up on. 2 Despite all his spam, he has very few ideas of his own. 3 The above quote: why would you call that a "sudden disappearance"? Just because they aren't currently spamming as hard as you? Looks like he is trying to goad suspicion. I really wish we could lynch him, No, it's because we were having a back and forth conversation but when he was talking himself into a corner and I had no idea how he would talk himself out of the giant contradiction he built, he suddenly stopped talking. You don't believe it was a sudden disappearance? | ||
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On November 22 2012 08:06 BioSC wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 08:03 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 22 2012 08:00 kushm4sta wrote: On November 22 2012 06:45 Clarity_nl wrote: marv how do you feel about cave's recent interactions with me, and sudden disappearance? I (if lynching exists in this game) want to lynch Clarity. 1 He's spamming. It's all asking people questions, promoting more spam. He is someone who is making this game very hard for town to keep up on. 2 Despite all his spam, he has very few ideas of his own. 3 The above quote: why would you call that a "sudden disappearance"? Just because they aren't currently spamming as hard as you? Looks like he is trying to goad suspicion. I really wish we could lynch him, No, it's because we were having a back and forth conversation but when he was talking himself into a corner and I had no idea how he would talk himself out of the giant contradiction he built, he suddenly stopped talking. You don't believe it was a sudden disappearance? I haven't dissapeared, I'm just tired of responding to the same question over and over. I'm not talking about you. But you still haven't answered properly. Do you believe that with just the reasons you've described, marv deserves to be in your "top 3 townreads"? On November 22 2012 08:06 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 08:03 Clarity_nl wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2012 08:00 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 06:45 Clarity_nl wrote: marv how do you feel about cave's recent interactions with me, and sudden disappearance? I (if lynching exists in this game) want to lynch Clarity. 1 He's spamming. It's all asking people questions, promoting more spam. He is someone who is making this game very hard for town to keep up on. 2 Despite all his spam, he has very few ideas of his own. 3 The above quote: why would you call that a "sudden disappearance"? Just because they aren't currently spamming as hard as you? Looks like he is trying to goad suspicion. I really wish we could lynch him, No, it's because we were having a back and forth conversation but when he was talking himself into a corner and I had no idea how he would talk himself out of the giant contradiction he built, he suddenly stopped talking. You don't believe it was a sudden disappearance? As succinctly as possible, please describe his "giant contradiction," I will do it without quotes then, but please do open his filter. He starts by saying he wants newb townies to die, as in, get lynched or killed. When I ask him to elaborate he explains he doesn't want them around at lylo. I point out (although hopeless did this too, and much better) that there might not be such a thing as lylo in this game. Here's where he kind of flip flops and says "yeah maybe I've been going about the newbie thing the wrong way" Then he says he doesn't want newb townies around because they will make us fail missions. When I ask him about this he ignores the question and answers something else, and when it gets pointed out to him that he didn't answer my question, by both hopeless and myself, he stops posting. Then much later he returns with this gem of a post: On November 22 2012 07:03 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 06:51 marvellosity wrote: On November 22 2012 06:46 iamperfection wrote: @ Marv What do you think of bios town read on you. I think it is bs and it seems like to me it was a pre calculated move to come into the thread with. I dont see how anyone can drop a strong town read and i can see you easily saying that quote in his post regardless of alignment Bios post also doesn't say much at all just that he doesn't have a problem what is going on. Im thinking scum Clarity - Cave is still bad or scum or both, and the important thing is that he doesn't get invited on today's event. Read my first post and pretty much the last page and a bit of discussion... Anyway I'm gonna sleep I'll probably cast my vote in the morning after I sleep on a few things. If you can figure out what he means I would love to know. | ||
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Kush do you agree with my phrasing "sudden disappearance"? If you do, do you still believe I should be "lynched" for what you call spam? | ||
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On November 22 2012 08:42 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2012 08:06 BioSC wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 08:03 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 22 2012 08:00 kushm4sta wrote: On November 22 2012 06:45 Clarity_nl wrote: marv how do you feel about cave's recent interactions with me, and sudden disappearance? I (if lynching exists in this game) want to lynch Clarity. 1 He's spamming. It's all asking people questions, promoting more spam. He is someone who is making this game very hard for town to keep up on. 2 Despite all his spam, he has very few ideas of his own. 3 The above quote: why would you call that a "sudden disappearance"? Just because they aren't currently spamming as hard as you? Looks like he is trying to goad suspicion. I really wish we could lynch him, No, it's because we were having a back and forth conversation but when he was talking himself into a corner and I had no idea how he would talk himself out of the giant contradiction he built, he suddenly stopped talking. You don't believe it was a sudden disappearance? I haven't dissapeared, I'm just tired of responding to the same question over and over. I'm not talking about you. But you still haven't answered properly. Do you believe that with just the reasons you've described, marv deserves to be in your "top 3 townreads"? On November 22 2012 08:06 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 08:03 Clarity_nl wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2012 08:00 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 06:45 Clarity_nl wrote: marv how do you feel about cave's recent interactions with me, and sudden disappearance? I (if lynching exists in this game) want to lynch Clarity. 1 He's spamming. It's all asking people questions, promoting more spam. He is someone who is making this game very hard for town to keep up on. 2 Despite all his spam, he has very few ideas of his own. 3 The above quote: why would you call that a "sudden disappearance"? Just because they aren't currently spamming as hard as you? Looks like he is trying to goad suspicion. I really wish we could lynch him, No, it's because we were having a back and forth conversation but when he was talking himself into a corner and I had no idea how he would talk himself out of the giant contradiction he built, he suddenly stopped talking. You don't believe it was a sudden disappearance? As succinctly as possible, please describe his "giant contradiction," I will do it without quotes then, but please do open his filter. He starts by saying he wants newb townies to die, as in, get lynched or killed. When I ask him to elaborate he explains he doesn't want them around at lylo. I point out (although hopeless did this too, and much better) that there might not be such a thing as lylo in this game. Here's where he kind of flip flops and says "yeah maybe I've been going about the newbie thing the wrong way" Then he says he doesn't want newb townies around because they will make us fail missions. When I ask him about this he ignores the question and answers something else, and when it gets pointed out to him that he didn't answer my question, by both hopeless and myself, he stops posting. Then much later he returns with this gem of a post: On November 22 2012 07:03 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 06:51 marvellosity wrote: On November 22 2012 06:46 iamperfection wrote: @ Marv What do you think of bios town read on you. I think it is bs and it seems like to me it was a pre calculated move to come into the thread with. I dont see how anyone can drop a strong town read and i can see you easily saying that quote in his post regardless of alignment Bios post also doesn't say much at all just that he doesn't have a problem what is going on. Im thinking scum Clarity - Cave is still bad or scum or both, and the important thing is that he doesn't get invited on today's event. Read my first post and pretty much the last page and a bit of discussion... Anyway I'm gonna sleep I'll probably cast my vote in the morning after I sleep on a few things. If you can figure out what he means I would love to know. See this is why I haven't been talking, because that does actually seem pretty scummy from CJ. Why didn't you mention Marv in your explanation though? Are you trying to distance yourself from him or what? You mention Hopelessleader twice though. Especially since Marv was the person who was primarily pushing CJ, and you were just sheeping him, it seems a little weird not to even mention marv. Because hopeless was there when I was interacting with CJ, marv wasn't. Yes, marv did lay the groundwork on this, I don't deny that. I was kind of looking into him when I mentioned (much earlier) the fact that he gave an actual hp number though, sure it's just 999 but I figured I could get him out of the woodwork. | ||
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On November 22 2012 21:49 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote: I just caught up, there's actually not a lot in the last 10 pages. The most interesting thing was kush's "action", which could be real or false given the heavy flavor. People seemed to ignore it for a bit, djo pointed it out and people still ignored it. Marv finally ended up reacting to it quite violently as if he was really pissed and knew what was going to happen...? I mean "nirvana strike" isn't exactly the most imaginative, what makes you so sure it's an actual thing, marv? where did you get "makes marv so sure it's an actual thing" from me saying "if he's telling the truth"? Kind of because of the order of your post: You get very pissed at him, and you'll never play with him again.... if it's true. I don't know what the point of faking it is, Oats, but from the games I've read if anyone would do such a thing it's Kush. I'll get back to you about the candidates as I'm still reading. | ||
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On November 22 2012 21:55 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote: I just caught up, there's actually not a lot in the last 10 pages. The most interesting thing was kush's "action", which could be real or false given the heavy flavor. People seemed to ignore it for a bit, djo pointed it out and people still ignored it. Marv finally ended up reacting to it quite violently as if he was really pissed and knew what was going to happen...? I mean "nirvana strike" isn't exactly the most imaginative, what makes you so sure it's an actual thing, marv? It's an ability that Cyrus has in Chrono Trigger (yes, I looked that shit up in the chronopedia). Kush claims Cyrus and Nirvana Strikes marv. I can see no reason for Kush, who is playing a lousy game (even lousier than usual), to jump out of nowhere, fakeclaim and fake-ability Marv. It just makes way more sense for this to be real. And given the way he did it, he is expecting to suicide with it. It is pathetic, but I see no reason to mistrust its authenticity. Yeah I'm not planning to let it affect me until we get flip information but marv's post just seemed oddly made. I guess I should keep stuff like that to myself until it actually tells me something. As for the candidates, since you asked Oats, I see no reason to switch from syllo. I'm glad Kita became active again but I don't like his "I am back, let's make a big fuss and make jokes!" It's really good he's making reads though, or at least giving reasons to not take people. If I were to switch it would be goodkarma and I might do that if syllo doesn't come back and add some more of his thoughts. | ||
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On November 22 2012 22:06 marvellosity wrote: Clarity, you know very well I have an extremely low tolerance threshold for stupidity. You and me both, although the difference is I say stupid things myself sometimes. Like I said, never mind, it's just the ordering that turned me off. | ||
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On November 22 2012 23:19 marvellosity wrote: All my questions have a point, I'm always somewhat spammy, and I never get mislynched. Why did you even say that? On November 22 2012 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Stop posting 1 liners Clarity or you'll be deemed useless/spammy/scummy. :D which you already are kinda on the verge of :D Oats answered for me. Hence the bitter part. | ||
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My goal for today is to scumhunt. I think the election thing is important but I don't have to post much for it, just have to find my biggest townread who is running and look at their reads and see if I agree. If I do, that's great, back to scumhunting. I haven't been as succesful, or I guess felt as succesful, as I did last game. I'll definitely have some reads ready before resolution period though. I'm just bitter that you get away with playing the way I want to play, but I don't, I guess. | ||
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On November 22 2012 23:46 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 23:29 Clarity_nl wrote: I like questioning people, and I think it works best if it's like a conversation rather than me post a blurb of text followed by a single question, when that method of gets shut down as being called spammy or useless I guess it got me down. My goal for today is to scumhunt. I think the election thing is important but I don't have to post much for it, just have to find my biggest townread who is running and look at their reads and see if I agree. If I do, that's great, back to scumhunting. I haven't been as succesful, or I guess felt as succesful, as I did last game. I'll definitely have some reads ready before resolution period though. I'm just bitter that you get away with playing the way I want to play, but I don't, I guess. <coaching mode> I think the main difference between Marv's questions and your questions is that Marv's always seem to lead somewhere. They are poignant things that, when read, make one think "hey, I would like to know that". For instance, his questioning me just now made me actually think MORE about my own posts and Kita, and analyze my own thought process. Me being forced to post that, gives everybody an insight into how I think and that is an incredibly important tool for scumhunting. However, your questions seem to be more sidetracks. Something like this: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 12:02 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 21 2012 11:59 sandroba wrote: Yes. I have the power of logic on my side. It's very rare these days. So you're saying that you deduced that scum will know hp by flavor claims, or anything for that matter? Please explain to us idiots. Questions like this are not scumhunting, they are questions about setup, and Sandro's thought process will not be laid bare in this way. A couple of questions like this is fine. Too many and people get tired and label you as unproductive. Questions/statements like this: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 13:16 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 21 2012 13:13 Z-BosoN wrote: On November 21 2012 13:05 iamperfection wrote: also why do we have to have the leader select all 3 wouldn't it be best for the town to put some input on the other team members? That was my original train of thought. But should the decision become the leader's, that puts a TON of pressure on him (if he is very transparent in his thoughts), and helps consolidate our read on said leader. But if we put up our strongest townread, doesn't that defeat the purpose? I think we should play more to our wincon when it comes to missions and just scumhunt like it's a regular game. are somewhere between meaningless and stating the obvious. There seems to be quite a lot of that in your filter. In general, going through your filter it is hard to find what you are trying to accomplish with your questions. That is not a good thing. The disconnectedness and one-liners make your filter hard to read and seem very fluffy. I think that is probably what Marv is getting at when he asks what you are trying to accomplish. </coaching mode> I have no clue what to think of you atm, Clarity, which is why I'm bothering with the coaching. If I thought you were scum that would be pointless. Okay let me address this. I do actually believe you are trying to help me. First quote of me, it was a follow up to my first question. On November 21 2012 11:58 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 11:56 sandroba wrote: I think I would rather avoid name claiming for right now given the HP issue. It will probably help mafia assort their kp more effectively. Do you know something we don't about scum kp system? This question should clear up what sand means, because he seemed to talk like he knew how mafia kp worked (note this was super early in the game). The second quote is criticizing iamp's logic. He says we should put the towniest player as leader, and then he talks about how we will get a strong read on said person, which seems contradictory. The "your filter will look like crap and fluff" is a valid one and one I didn't really think about it that way. The reason I don't give reasoning with my questioning is because I'd be providing a convenient answer to whoever I'm questioning. Perhaps I should give my reasoning after the fact. When my questioning leads to a dead end or a reasonable defense then there's generally no point in talking about it more. I guess at the end of the process I feel like I learned something about someone, and I kind of figured others would too. In about 2 hours I'll be around again, and I'll try to contribute/get information in a way that is more pleasing to others, I guess. | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:11 Dienosore wrote: @phagga I identified them as scum early game due to their posturing and grammar. I didn't have much to go on then, so I had to make some advanced reads based on 1-2 pages of filter. I wasn't entirely sure. Since then, however, there has been so many indicators that if I were to compile them all here it would take up too many hours of my Thanksgiving. Dieno you've used this comment about grammar before, could you please give us an example of where someone's grammar is alignment indicative? | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:30 marvellosity wrote: just emphasising. What 2 data points were you referring to, though? Yeah as acro stated, your own and Cyrus. I mentioned that we only had a single data point during the time Keir was talking about his "succes modifier" On November 23 2012 02:32 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 02:25 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 02:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Oh, kush modkilled. He completely read his ability wrong too. He basically suicided. The one good thing is all town people now have two data points when it comes to HP. This needs to be made clear, please read this. The ability is on PERCENTAGE HEALTH. Thus if kush has 600 max HP and I have 50 max HP, kush still dies as we both have 100% HP. From a town perspective, I'd think you would want it the other way around. Why wouldn't you brush over this fact and let the mafia team think you have tons and tons of hp if you are worried about being hit? I'm not sure I understand, could you phrase this differently? | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:34 Dienosore wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 02:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Dieno you've used this comment about grammar before, could you please give us an example of where someone's grammar is alignment indicative? I'm sorry, but I'd rather not just yet. What I look for is hard to hide because it's essentially coming from the subconscious. But if I start giving examples of my exact lines of thought, then it's easier for someone to use my detection methods against me or fall off my radar completely. Okay I guess I can see the logic in that. Could you post it before the resolution period then, please? | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:44 Dienosore wrote: The modkill is actually a big blow to the town. It sounds like his ability would have been perfect to easily destroy lavos. No, it's an ability targeting a player, not an npc. | ||
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On November 22 2012 11:08 sandroba wrote: @kita I was under that impression because your filter is rather short and I fail to find anything in there that provides your reads or opinions on subjects being discussed. When you came back you posted a generic post with several names in red including mine and no reasoning and still never commented on anything. Let us work our way backwards in his filter, starting from this post, where he advocates against electing Kita because Kita has not provided his reads or opinions on subjects being discussed. On November 22 2012 10:10 sandroba wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 04:05 syllogism wrote: Sandroba: when you are back, I would like to know if you have reconsidered Dienosore at all based on new content, in addition to explaining what about clarity_nl's play you find suspect. Some kind of mafia reads would also be helpful. Also any thoughts regarding the current candidate situation? I had clarity as scum, but I'm kinda torn on it right now after the marv/clarity exchange. I took a look at mario and it does look similar. Earlier he was pouncing with one-liners on weak stuff people posted and that tipped me off. And about Die, yeah I still think he is town. What makes you dissagree? The first mention of any kind of read he has (remember, we're working backwards), it's on me, he found me scum but now he doesn't know. Null. Why did he used to find me scum? Not sure, the only other mention of me is the reason he had to make the above post, that mention being this: On November 21 2012 22:25 sandroba wrote: I wont take clarity with me if I get elected. He smells funny. So we never got to know why I was scum to him, but that's okay because he's no longer sure, right? I don't think so. To me this seems like jumping on the (at the time) easy "lynch" I'd make. But then backing off because it was hard to pin me on something. Next up, we have this: On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote: I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. I'm fairly certain he's town, is his entire read. Only when asked does he explain why. On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote: On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote: I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion? He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah. This boils down to a meta read. If you take away the meta, all that is left is him saying: "He said he'd be lazy but he isn't" Meta reads aren't always bad, of course, but it should never be the crux of your argument unless someone is WAY off their town meta. On November 21 2012 18:26 sandroba wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 18:13 Keirathi wrote: Syllogism/sandroba: You guys have ignored us, but what do you think of Toads reasoning for me being scum? Do you think I'm scum? What about Deinos 2 scum reads and 2 town reads? Agree or disagree with any of them? I wouldn't put you as a town read, but I don't agree with toads case on you. I'll say nothing point to me one way or another so far. About deinos I agree on oats as I've said before. Not quite sure on acro still, I'd put him the same as you. GK and djo I'm slightly leaning town so far. "I don't know, you're null. Here's a list of slight townreads with no explanation." Moving further back. On November 21 2012 17:52 sandroba wrote: come'on look at the way he entered the thread. that's like as townie as it gets =P either way you have your share bit of work to do to =P. I guess I'll know by day 2? His very first strong read, yet somehow it is much earlier in the thread than the stuff covered above. This post is referring to Dieno. There's not much reasoning to it, the only being that scum wouldn't enter into the game like that. I think this is fair and not alignment indicative, but since we're pointing out all the reads I think it's only fair to point out his only strong read thus far. This is also where the reads end, because we are in the early earlygame at this point. There is some setup speculation, which makes sense given we're in a heavily themed game. My point to all of this, is this: Sand has not had any strong reads, and the reads he has had have had bad or no reasoning. He's is currently trying to get elected, and has had some backing. Why are people not demanding stronger reads from him? Especially when he is demanding them from others? Why is sand not working harder at making reads, when he is running for the election? Wanting to get elected is not alignment indicative. His reads or logic isn't alignment indicative. Why does he not look/try to look townie when he is running for the election? In my eyes, this makes him badly played scum or a third party role because a townie who is running for election would be trying harder to get elected, or at the very least to get strong reads out there. | ||
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On November 23 2012 03:22 marvellosity wrote: Dienosore, partly in Djo's defence, in every game Djodref has played town in people have gotten scumvibes off him due to his peculiar use of language. I second this. | ||
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On November 23 2012 03:30 kitaman27 wrote: There are plenty of people who have stated that a player is likely third party. At this point of the game it is quite silly to come to this conclusion. Most of the time it is just a justification made by a mafia player who knows an anti-town player can't be scum. The reason for my post is not to conclude he is third party, it's to make sure he doesn't get elected. | ||
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On November 23 2012 04:37 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 04:34 Clarity_nl wrote: I think hapa is acting like his town self more and more. Hapa instead of us convincing we shouldn't vote cyllo, perhaps convince us to vote for you? I've offered my reasons. I've offered my party. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=73#1444 Do you agree with me? Then vote me. I'll be voting for myself: ##Vote Hapahauli Right now I'm trying to show you guys that putting blind faith in Syllo is stupid. There's no sane reason for him to withhold reads. There's no threat to members on the party. There's no risk of "mafia manipulation" or whatever the fuck he things the "reasons" are. Could you expand on your goodkarma town read? | ||
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Hapa, would you consider changing out goodkarma for someone else? Perhaps phagga? | ||
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On November 23 2012 05:46 Promethelax wrote: bleh, Clarity why don't you like GK? And why Phagga over him? I've had a townread on phagga, but not gk. I don't think hapa's reasons for a townread are valid, although I've obviously not played with gk before and hapa's reasons are somewhat meta. | ||
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On November 23 2012 05:50 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 05:49 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 23 2012 05:46 Promethelax wrote: bleh, Clarity why don't you like GK? And why Phagga over him? I've had a townread on phagga, but not gk. I don't think hapa's reasons for a townread are valid, although I've obviously not played with gk before and hapa's reasons are somewhat meta. Why do you have a townread on Phagga though, and why not on GK? What is it about Gk that seems scum to you and what is it about Phagga in particular that seems town to you? There is nothing about gk that seems scum to me, but there's nothing that really screams town at me either, it's mainly a feeling, and I'm not telling hapa to switch one for the other, I'm asking him. How about we let him answer first? | ||
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On November 23 2012 05:56 Promethelax wrote: Marv: why aren't you being Marv? Clarity: I'm asking you why you see Phagga as more town than GK, I get having GK null (my read on him is greenish but base don his meta more than anything else), I don't get why you, as opposed to Marv, would have a town read on him. I have no idea what marvs stance on phagga is or was, but how does that matter? Marv already explained my main reason so he gives me no choice but to appear to sheep him. Double bastard. | ||
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On November 23 2012 05:59 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 23 2012 05:56 Promethelax wrote: Marv: why aren't you being Marv? Clarity: I'm asking you why you see Phagga as more town than GK, I get having GK null (my read on him is greenish but base don his meta more than anything else), I don't get why you, as opposed to Marv, would have a town read on him. I have no idea what marvs stance on phagga is or was, but how does that matter? Marv already explained my main reason so he gives me no choice but to appear to sheep him. Double bastard. I was mostly poking fun at marv for answering my question which was directed at you. So, your reason for Phagga=town is that he responded to Marv in a way you can't see mafia playing? So you read marv as non-mafia? I read phagga as non mafia as certain as it gets, I read him town from the rest of his filter. The exchange however, is not alignment indicative for marv. | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:06 Promethelax wrote: Maybe I wasn't clear. I do think that Phagga is town, I just didn't see any reasoning from Clarity and I hate no reasoning. I wanted to get it from him and not from marv but that didn't happen. Nothing I can do about it. I really wanted to get it from hapa before anyone else so you know... | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions. I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way. You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out? Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently. | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions. I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way. You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out? Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently. If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me. And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow. Wait, I think syllo is scum now? You need to read the thread more. | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:42 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 06:34 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions. I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way. You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out? Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently. If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me. And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow. Wait, I think syllo is scum now? You need to read the thread more. Okay, maybe your hypothetical confused me. I don't see the reasoning in your question if you believe Syllo is town... but now that I think about it I don't think I see the reasoning in your question either way. Never mind about it. I think both syllo and hapa are town. But hapa says he'll take me on the team and syllo is saying he won't reveal his team. I am seriously considering switching to hapa but I need him to answer my question about GK. How do you not see the reasoning? I was asking marv about syllo's idea, not syllo. | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:48 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 06:44 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 23 2012 06:42 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 06:34 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions. I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way. You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out? Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently. If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me. And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow. Wait, I think syllo is scum now? You need to read the thread more. Okay, maybe your hypothetical confused me. I don't see the reasoning in your question if you believe Syllo is town... but now that I think about it I don't think I see the reasoning in your question either way. Never mind about it. I think both syllo and hapa are town. But hapa says he'll take me on the team and syllo is saying he won't reveal his team. I am seriously considering switching to hapa but I need him to answer my question about GK. How do you not see the reasoning? I was asking marv about syllo's idea, not syllo. The problem with this reasoning is that if syllo is scum, he already KNOWS how this mission is going to turn out: it will be a failure. The WHY he picked the players is not going to change. Plus, if this mission fails, as Marv said, the first person I suspect for scum is Syllo himself. I understand the argument of why witholding the names isn't bad, I fail to see the reasoning of why it's good. Again though, hapa is willing to take me, and I'm 100% town to myself, obviously. | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:49 risk.nuke wrote: Switching from syllo at this point seems futile. For at least a few hours now it's pretty much already been decided, for better or worse he was going to be elected. I'm so glad you showed up just to say it's pointless to discuss stuff. | ||
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On November 23 2012 06:52 Acrofales wrote: WTF happened? Explain your town read on Hapa. Now I am really really leaving He was scum last game I played him and he wasn't nearly as engaged. Someone pointed out he's harping on little things (snb I think) and for hapa this actually seems like a townie trait to me. His reasoned yet emotionally charged attack on syllo's campaign seems sincere to me. His town read on me when compared to the general consensus also strengthens it. That's the gist of it. | ||
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On November 23 2012 07:08 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 07:05 Clarity_nl wrote: Phagga. Is your meta read on GK really that strong? Other then meta you don't seem to have much reasoning. I'm pretty comfortable with the meta read. I really don't know much about Phagga - can you give me the rundown? His interaction with marv seems genuine. Basically he called marv's post about not wanting to lead as "weird" and when marv questioned him about it... it just all seemed very genuine. His thoughts/posts are pro-town, a prime example is this: On November 21 2012 16:54 phagga wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote: On November 21 2012 16:12 phagga wrote: I like Sandroba's plan, his logic is sound. However, I find it dangerous to derive a town read from it, nothing is stopping scum to put up this plan to get themselfes elected. Why is everyone asking for town reads? I understand that the mechanics are working differently, but everyone just spreading their townreads like the flu will only make it easier for scum to decide who to shoot at night. People like Keirathi and me who have no desire in being elected D1 should not be giving out any townreads, instead we can actually scum hunt in the traditional way and establish ourselfes as town this way. I even think that most candidates should not be throwing out their town reads unless they seem to be a serious candidate (meaning several people have voiced interest in voting that person). The reason we're not doing traditional scumhunting is because we don't have the power to lynch scum. Our time is best used determining who is most likely town, as we're (hopefully) voting for townies as party leader. I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting. Ok, looks like I need to clarify myself. Townhunting is stupid. Do you know why? Because scum can fake it to no end, since they know who is not scum. Talking about who is townie makes it much easier for scum to blend in, which then makes it much harder for town to choose the right people for their teams. Yes, there may be multiple factions in this game. Still, if we force scum to scumhunt they are more likely to trip as if they can just give their townreads out. So, no, I disagree that this game revolves around townhunting. We find out who is townie by scumhunting, not by townhunting. Other than that it's just gut for me, really. | ||
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On November 23 2012 07:34 sandroba wrote: Hey I had to come back home to vote and I have to go back out. Real quick, did anything important happened? I made a case on you, see above. | ||
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In fact I could've sworn there were people on sand, did they all switch to syllo when I wasn't looking? | ||
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On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der Things and such. Come on man that's just lazy. Vote who you believe is the best person to be party leader so we can hold you accountable later. | ||
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On November 23 2012 08:00 phagga wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 07:56 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 23 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der Things and such. What do you hope to achieve? What is your reasoning for this? I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result Does your vote have an influence on your role? Interesting thought. | ||
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On November 23 2012 08:00 marvellosity wrote: you're totes staying up Clarity and you know it. SHUT UP I like to sleep, howcome it never happens? | ||
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On November 23 2012 08:01 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 23 2012 08:00 marvellosity wrote: you're totes staying up Clarity and you know it. SHUT UP I like to sleep, howcome it never happens? because you like mafia too much <3 I like a lot of things | ||
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oooh, lynchvote ##Vote Sand | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:03 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 09:02 Clarity_nl wrote: I took a small amount of damage, for what it's worth. so you got a number too? i swear i'd read we wouldn't know how much our HP got hit by, but maybe it's different. I may as well say, I got hit for 200 damage. I got hit for 20. | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:06 Oatsmaster wrote: I also think thats its too early to lynch the lurkers in a 25 player game unless they havent done anything after this cycle. TOWN LURKERS, BUCK UP AND START POSTING. MAFIA LURKERS, keep lurking You don't want to lynch lurkers but you want mafia to keep lurking? | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:09 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 09:08 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv, are you willing to share your max hp? I guess you'll have to trust me on this. I'd rather not just give out how much damage mafia needs to knock me out, no. Okay, how about this. Is your max hp divisable by 100, so that it produces a real number? | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:41 Keirathi wrote: Also for clarification: we are still in 600AD, correct? There were some talk of portals and things in the day post, but I didn't see anything to suggest we changed positions in time. Just want to make certain though. I'm expecting the next cycle to be a vote about where to travel. | ||
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At the very least this makes syllo and dieno relatively close to confirmed town, right? | ||
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It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD) | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:51 Adam4167 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 09:48 Clarity_nl wrote: syllo was party leader, dieno claimed frog. It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD) Having to get two mafia elected onto a team of four to cause a failure hardly seems fair from a balance perspective considering the probable demographic that's being worked with (ie 3x as many town on average). Again, frog gives a bonus to likelyhood of success. So I believe with that in mind it is very much possible. | ||
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Yeah, I'm not saying anyone on the party is a good lynch whatsoever, merely trying to speculate a bit. | ||
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On November 23 2012 10:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Stop. Its fucking pointless in this cycle. What is, speculating? Why is it pointless? | ||
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On November 23 2012 10:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Speculating what hidden modifiers scum has in comparison to town is pointless CAUSE we dont actually know anything about those modifiers. Yes it makes sense that out of a 4 man team, 1 scum would fail the mission but that was already brought up last cycle. We should focus on scum hunting and leaving the party members out of the discussion is better as it narrows down the pool in which to find scum. Yes I am biased because I am in the party. I'll be nicer than marv, partly because I'm not done speculating yet. Did you lose hp? | ||
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On November 23 2012 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Clarity, no I did not take damage. Your question to me was interesting. I may look into it at a later date Someone suggested to use the same party every time we have to send a party, and I was wondering if it was viable. Quite interested in why you think I asked. | ||
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On November 23 2012 10:34 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 10:32 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 23 2012 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Clarity, no I did not take damage. Your question to me was interesting. I may look into it at a later date Someone suggested to use the same party every time we have to send a party, and I was wondering if it was viable. Quite interested in why you think I asked. the fact that the party did not take damage (if they all didn't) isn't necessarily an indicator that they cannot take damage I mean they didn't take damage from the mission. But I guess that's up in the air too. But there's no reason not to send the exact same party to the next mission if they're all alive and claim they have plenty of hp, right? | ||
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On November 23 2012 11:40 Djodref wrote: I took a 20HP damage tonight Could anyone not voting for syllo yesterday and not in the party could tell us if he took similar amount of damage ? I'm guessing that mafia had activated a power to target all syllo voters. I might be wrong... What about applying the Lynch a Lurker policy for today ? On a side note, I don't think that he is scum so far and I don't want a wagon to form until he comes back to the thread and provides some explanations and reads and all... He did disappear like this during our Looney game and he was town. ##Vote: BioSC Interesting, this could indeed be the case. | ||
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On November 23 2012 18:28 syllogism wrote: I suppose I can mention that I received a useful gift tonight, in case someone claims something later and I'm not around to confirm. Also I recommend listening to chrono trigger soundtrack while reading the thread. This so much. On November 23 2012 09:04 kitaman27 wrote: Well done I've been targeted with the guessing game. If I don't properly predict the lynch result within the next 24 hours I am hit with 200 hp of damage. I guess this is one of the ways mafia can damage people? :p Am I the only one interested to hear more of this? Kita how much can you tell us about this? | ||
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I still don't really buy Hapa's townread on GK though. I would like someone else who's played with GK to confirm he's playing to his town meta. | ||
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On November 24 2012 00:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Nothing has given me any read at all.. He has 1 giant opening post where he says a lot and nothing. Then he argues with Clarity for the rest of his posts... Null read so far. You don't think it's weird that he "argued" with me, as opposed to just expanding on his townread on marv? | ||
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I don't like a CJ lynch at this time, btw. Maybe the equivalent of a vigi shot, but not a lynch. | ||
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On November 24 2012 00:39 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 00:04 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm not sure. If I had to pick I'd lean Bio. I still don't really buy Hapa's townread on GK though. I would like someone else who's played with GK to confirm he's playing to his town meta. did you go look at bios other games? Can't say that I have, no. That's why I said "if I had to pick" | ||
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On November 24 2012 00:42 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 00:41 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 24 2012 00:39 iamperfection wrote: On November 24 2012 00:04 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm not sure. If I had to pick I'd lean Bio. I still don't really buy Hapa's townread on GK though. I would like someone else who's played with GK to confirm he's playing to his town meta. did you go look at bios other games? Can't say that I have, no. That's why I said "if I had to pick" really all we have against him at this point is that his marv read (at the time) was bs I think a bad townread can still be townie. The thing that bothers me so much is his aversion to change/expand his read. He just kinda got mad and said "stop asking the same question" when he never answered it. | ||
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This goes especially for the people sheeping without giving reasons other than him going inactive. | ||
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On November 24 2012 00:52 Clarity_nl wrote: Can everyone get over the fact that sand has been inactive and just gave a weird excuse and read his filter and my case, please? This goes especially for the people sheeping without giving reasons other than him going inactive. Wait, I'm doing that thing where I care more about the method than the result again, aren't I? | ||
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On November 24 2012 01:50 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote: marv is there anything in your colouring book that's significantly different than the general consensus? On who would you say there's a "general consensus"? I don't really get this question. I'd say sand is under the spotlight for being scummy, and all the party members and some others are considered townie. I'm just asking if you think you've noticed something that others might have not. | ||
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I think his lack of caring speaks volumes, and only further adds to my case against him. As for TheChronicler.... His plan was dumb and he's contradicted himself a lot. As everyone else I got a newbie town vibe but now he's claimed he's played quite a bit of mafia, although I am quite confused, this does not seem like scum motivation to me at all. If he's a vet pretending to be newbie town, why would he admit to having played a bunch before? Especially since a lot of people already stated they read him as newbie town. Why would scum want to break this illusion, just for pride? Contradicting yourself does not make you scum. As for GK I had a gut feeling about him day 1, but now that everyone's jumping on him I don't really see it. His answer to me asking about hapa's townread on him seems genuine. | ||
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I am posting this case mainly to show people that there is a very strong argument to be had for Sand being scum, despite everyone just brushing it off as "lurker lynch votes" Sandroba is scum. First of, if you haven't read my case from D1 yet, please do so now: + Show Spoiler + On November 23 2012 03:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Sandroba. Why are people voting for this guy? Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 11:08 sandroba wrote: @kita I was under that impression because your filter is rather short and I fail to find anything in there that provides your reads or opinions on subjects being discussed. When you came back you posted a generic post with several names in red including mine and no reasoning and still never commented on anything. Let us work our way backwards in his filter, starting from this post, where he advocates against electing Kita because Kita has not provided his reads or opinions on subjects being discussed. Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 10:10 sandroba wrote: On November 22 2012 04:05 syllogism wrote: Sandroba: when you are back, I would like to know if you have reconsidered Dienosore at all based on new content, in addition to explaining what about clarity_nl's play you find suspect. Some kind of mafia reads would also be helpful. Also any thoughts regarding the current candidate situation? I had clarity as scum, but I'm kinda torn on it right now after the marv/clarity exchange. I took a look at mario and it does look similar. Earlier he was pouncing with one-liners on weak stuff people posted and that tipped me off. And about Die, yeah I still think he is town. What makes you dissagree? The first mention of any kind of read he has (remember, we're working backwards), it's on me, he found me scum but now he doesn't know. Null. Why did he used to find me scum? Not sure, the only other mention of me is the reason he had to make the above post, that mention being this: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 22:25 sandroba wrote: I wont take clarity with me if I get elected. He smells funny. So we never got to know why I was scum to him, but that's okay because he's no longer sure, right? I don't think so. To me this seems like jumping on the (at the time) easy "lynch" I'd make. But then backing off because it was hard to pin me on something. Next up, we have this: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote: I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. I'm fairly certain he's town, is his entire read. Only when asked does he explain why. Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote: On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote: On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote: I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion? He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah. This boils down to a meta read. If you take away the meta, all that is left is him saying: "He said he'd be lazy but he isn't" Meta reads aren't always bad, of course, but it should never be the crux of your argument unless someone is WAY off their town meta. Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 18:26 sandroba wrote: On November 21 2012 18:13 Keirathi wrote: Syllogism/sandroba: You guys have ignored us, but what do you think of Toads reasoning for me being scum? Do you think I'm scum? What about Deinos 2 scum reads and 2 town reads? Agree or disagree with any of them? I wouldn't put you as a town read, but I don't agree with toads case on you. I'll say nothing point to me one way or another so far. About deinos I agree on oats as I've said before. Not quite sure on acro still, I'd put him the same as you. GK and djo I'm slightly leaning town so far. "I don't know, you're null. Here's a list of slight townreads with no explanation." Moving further back. Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 17:52 sandroba wrote: come'on look at the way he entered the thread. that's like as townie as it gets =P either way you have your share bit of work to do to =P. I guess I'll know by day 2? His very first strong read, yet somehow it is much earlier in the thread than the stuff covered above. This post is referring to Dieno. There's not much reasoning to it, the only being that scum wouldn't enter into the game like that. I think this is fair and not alignment indicative, but since we're pointing out all the reads I think it's only fair to point out his only strong read thus far. This is also where the reads end, because we are in the early earlygame at this point. There is some setup speculation, which makes sense given we're in a heavily themed game. My point to all of this, is this: Sand has not had any strong reads, and the reads he has had have had bad or no reasoning. He's is currently trying to get elected, and has had some backing. Why are people not demanding stronger reads from him? Especially when he is demanding them from others? Why is sand not working harder at making reads, when he is running for the election? Wanting to get elected is not alignment indicative. His reads or logic isn't alignment indicative. Why does he not look/try to look townie when he is running for the election? In my eyes, this makes him badly played scum or a third party role because a townie who is running for election would be trying harder to get elected, or at the very least to get strong reads out there. In this case, I clearly show that Sand is not transparent. This in itself is fine, Syllo was not transparent and people voted for him. But note the very first quote in my case, he says Kita is not being transparent enough, not giving out enough reads etc. After a grand total of 1 strong read, a read that many before him had made, he proclaims that others should be more transparent and share more reads. Even if we accept that he is just being a hypocrit, after this post he still does not share reads or thoughts. Sand comes out of the gate by saying he is running for the election, he is open, transparent and willing to listen to others: On November 21 2012 11:17 sandroba wrote: I hereby declare I want to lead you simpletons to victory. My party selection will be as following: I will choose 3 of the less known players who I read as town at the end of the day to compose the party. The reasoning is that this mechanic will greatly favor town in attempting to confirm players. This is better done for players less likely to get shot for 2 reasons: 1) They have less meta information available on them therefore harder to read. 2) Vets/Well known players are likely to get killed n1 if they are town, even more so given a successful mission, mitigating some of the advantage town might get. This serves to both preserve the good/known players and to keep the confirmed/likely town around longer. I'd like everyone to chime in on this subject of party selection and help come to the optimum way of doing things. Add to that a little confidence: On November 21 2012 11:19 sandroba wrote: I see that everyone went completely the opposite way of tackling this issue as I have so far. Of course I am right and you guys probably gave it no thought. and Sand is looking to be really eager to play in this game and share ideas. So how did he go from that, to this: On November 23 2012 21:51 sandroba wrote: Oh my it seems I'm the only person in the game that doesn't get to have a real life every so often. I spent the night at a girl's house ytd and only got home now. I thought I would give the thread a quick read before heading to bed (yes my sleep schedule is severely fucked up) and I see that suddenly I became the main wagon. Nice. Weekend is ahead and it will be extremelly busy and now I have to fight syllo induced mislynch just to prob face the same problem again the next day. Thx. I'll be here briefily if anyone want to interact, but I'm heading to bed. I took 125 dmg and got roleblocked. Now I don't know about you guys, but I read this as. "Fuck you all, I don't care, get a life, I'm gonna go back to lurking now" A complete 180 in his play over the course of 48 hours. Why? Well, we know it isn't because he desperately wanted to win the election, because in my D1 case I showed he didn't care about winning the election, especially if you take into account his absence the last 6 or so hours of D1. I believe him choosing to run for election was an easy excuse to not scumhunt. I believe him having such enthusiasm early in the game was faked. Faking enthusiasm doesn't generally last for long, as we can clearly see by Sand's changing behavior and activity. Please try to take this point of view and notice how his entire game so far suddenly makes sense. This next post just irks me: On November 23 2012 22:07 sandroba wrote: I am free to play, I'm posting more than the average person and I've contributed a lot. Mind you that 2 out of the 3 people syllo took with him I was planning on taking. I gave out a town read on syllo very early on. As to your question, obviously, since I am town. He has been paranoid about my alignment a lot of times in the past (of the top of my head merc mini mafia and that huge 80 player game), but normally he reaches the correct conclusion soon enough. His only contributions throughout the entire game has been the setup speculation at the very start. Now he claims that he was going to take two out of the three people that Syllo took. Somehow this gives him the credit? Or is he suggesting Syllo stole his idea? Regardless he is wrong and trying to paint himself as a helpful townie, now that he can't hide behind running for election anymore. Sand has shown no interest in helping town out. The only things he has shown interest in are setup speculation and running for the election. He is scum. | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:44 Hapahauli wrote: @ nl_clarity I'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives: Show nested quote + Regarding Sandroba Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving. Whaddy'a think? I understand your argument when it comes to him giving up his campaign, but this can be explained in a couple of different ways. Some scummy some townie, most for either. My point is that his behavior this game has not made sense to me at all until I looked at it from this angle. | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:48 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 06:39 syllogism wrote: But I'm not going to waste time on hypotheticals and I don't see why you are wasting time interrogating me when I'm about as confirmed town as one can be. So, I was thinking about this more earlier. The reasons you gave for picking me for the party were pretty good if you are town. But if you're scum, you would have almost HAD to pick me. Dieno claimed that he was Frog, a 600AD character who increased the party's chance of success. Therefore, you basically HAD to pick him just because of that, even if you're scum (besides the fact that he has been playing very obviously with a townie mindset). So, if he had a high success modifier, and you were scum, then me claiming that I had a low success modifier would make me almost a guaranteed pick if you wanted any chance of actually making the event fail. Now, granted, the more likely option is that you were town and just picking town reads. But I can't dismiss you as a scum possibility just yet after picking me. Why would he have to pick you as town? I was rather confused that you were picked to be completely honest. | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:53 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 06:51 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 24 2012 06:48 Keirathi wrote: On November 24 2012 06:39 syllogism wrote: But I'm not going to waste time on hypotheticals and I don't see why you are wasting time interrogating me when I'm about as confirmed town as one can be. So, I was thinking about this more earlier. The reasons you gave for picking me for the party were pretty good if you are town. But if you're scum, you would have almost HAD to pick me. Dieno claimed that he was Frog, a 600AD character who increased the party's chance of success. Therefore, you basically HAD to pick him just because of that, even if you're scum (besides the fact that he has been playing very obviously with a townie mindset). So, if he had a high success modifier, and you were scum, then me claiming that I had a low success modifier would make me almost a guaranteed pick if you wanted any chance of actually making the event fail. Now, granted, the more likely option is that you were town and just picking town reads. But I can't dismiss you as a scum possibility just yet after picking me. Why would he have to pick you as town? I was rather confused that you were picked to be completely honest. I didn't say he had to pick me if he was town. If he is scum, though, he basically HAD to pick me. I misread, my mistake. | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:56 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 06:49 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 24 2012 06:44 Hapahauli wrote: @ nl_clarity I'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives: Regarding Sandroba Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving. Whaddy'a think? I understand your argument when it comes to him giving up his campaign, but this can be explained in a couple of different ways. Some scummy some townie, most for either. My point is that his behavior this game has not made sense to me at all until I looked at it from this angle. Well I think his campaign-actions are more likely townie than the alternatives. Also, I don't think lynching someone for losing interest on D2, especially over the holidays, is a good idea. I really want to see more from Sandroba before I'd consider lynching him. He didn't lose interest on D2, that's my point. He never had interest. Notice how he opens with big well worded posts and slowly slips into smaller more insulting posts, can't fake enthusiasm for too long. He hides behind his election and once it starts gaining traction he stops, but doesn't replace it with anything. I understand wanting to see more of him but he basically proclaimed he will be mainly lurking the entire weekend. His campaign did not have any visible effort. Everyone but (maybe) third parties have a reason to run for election, but there are two scum motivations: 1) To appear active without having to make reads, 2) To actually get elected and make town fail the mission. | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:07 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 24 2012 06:46 TheChronicler wrote: On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote: On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote: On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote: On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote: On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote: I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChronicler p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me. You're suggesting that the scummiest player is the one with the most votes. That's ludicrous and is a terrible way to determine who you want to lynch. I don't think it's an unfair suggestion to say that the person with the most votes is the one who is currently thought of as most scummy. I didn't say he's scum because he has votes. I said he was a good candidate because a lot of people find him scummy and you can therefor lynch him. If your problem is that a Sandro lynch seems too easy then you need to say that. Right now you're misrepresenting what I'm saying and I have to wonder why. There is so much wrong with this train of thought. You're saying that because someone is easily lynchable this makes them scum. You're not supposed to be looking for scum you can lynch, you're just supposed to be looking for scum. Looking for easily lynchable targets is scumlike behaviour. | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:16 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 06:46 TheChronicler wrote: On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote: On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote: On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote: On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote: On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote: I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChronicler p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me. It's plurality lynch and there's another 25 hours to go until the deadline, so: HELL NO. Someone has to be the first. And if we all follow chronicler's logic all mafia has to do to win is be the first, and everyone should LOGICALLY sheep onto him because he's the easiest to lynch. | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:17 Dienosore wrote: Anyone else find it strange that Sandro hasn't actually accused anyone of being scummy? He's done about 10 different town reads, but no mafia reads. Closest he came to calling someone scummy was me. Please note that even his townreads lack reasoning. | ||
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Yes. Consolidating is something you do later in the cycle, not early. We still have plenty of time, so if you are town spending your time finding scummy things that haven't been pointed out yet is way better than sheeping onto someone and thinking you've contributed. | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:27 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote: @ TC Yes. Consolidating is something you do later in the cycle, not early. We still have plenty of time, so if you are town spending your time finding scummy things that haven't been pointed out yet is way better than sheeping onto someone and thinking you've contributed. Almost like when I said Sandro knew too much and eKeir latched onto the end of my post trying to make me look scummy then disappeared. You just told me something, I told you you were wrong, and you immediately agree and use my logic to make yourself look good? | ||
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On November 24 2012 07:32 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 07:30 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 24 2012 07:27 TheChronicler wrote: On November 24 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote: @ TC Yes. Consolidating is something you do later in the cycle, not early. We still have plenty of time, so if you are town spending your time finding scummy things that haven't been pointed out yet is way better than sheeping onto someone and thinking you've contributed. Almost like when I said Sandro knew too much and eKeir latched onto the end of my post trying to make me look scummy then disappeared. You just told me something, I told you you were wrong, and you immediately agree and use my logic to make yourself look good? Its me telling you to read my filter and see that I did go read Sandra's filter and point out why I thought he was scummy. That's great. So are you agreeing with me that taking other people's vote into consideration early during the cycle is a bad idea? | ||
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So far there's no real reason to suspect marv, given that he backed the winning horse and he was one of the first to do so. | ||
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From the way the elections went only Sand and Kita were in the running at one point or another, are you willing to say that if Prome is scum one of these two is as well, and if so whom? I realize it is, in a way, an association case with a flip, but I'm curious what you think about this. | ||
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On November 25 2012 02:38 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 02:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Hapa your case on Hapa focusses a lot on his opposition to syllo getting elected, from a scum perspective I don't see this making sense unless there is a scum running at that time and Prome is indirectly supporting that person. From the way the elections went only Sand and Kita were in the running at one point or another, are you willing to say that if Prome is scum one of these two is as well, and if so whom? I realize it is, in a way, an association case with a flip, but I'm curious what you think about this. Well that's based (as you say) on associative tells and that's not very good reason to not suspect someone. In addition, there's plenty to suggest from previous games (such as Resistance) that only 1 scum is needed in the party for the mission to fail. Prom (as scum) has plenty of incentive to support a person (kita) who wanted to take him on his team, regardless of allignment. The stuff on Syllo is valid because he tears him down for no reasoning. He just pushes passive suspicion on Syllo, which is really scummy, especially since we know that Syllo is town. I wasn't aware of that, thanks. Marv you said you were checking out Sand, any conclusions? | ||
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On November 25 2012 02:57 TheChronicler wrote: Lol djo so scummy. Finally got people to move off sand, better go for it bud! So your current scumreads are Zbo, Toad and Djo. I disagree with all of them. Please make some cases on them. | ||
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On November 25 2012 04:02 Dienosore wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 03:59 goodkarma wrote: On November 25 2012 03:45 kitaman27 wrote: Marv, in response to your case against me: -snip- @Acro, I currently have the players in the game ranked and I have TheChronicler in the top 10 for likely scum suspects due to his reactionary playstyle and his focus on his himself. I've devoted my time elsewhere however so I've only read his filter once. Could you provide your top five scum suspects? It would be a shame to let such a list go to waste... "Could you provide your top five scum suspects? It would be a shame to let such a perfect opportunity to paint a target on you if you are close". No, GK is right. He might get lynched tonight. | ||
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On November 25 2012 04:05 Dienosore wrote: Is that so, clarity? Plan on whipping a up a mob against him hours before the noose drops, eh? Totally. | ||
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If someone who IS influential does that though, and we don't get to hear his reads, it'll be a waste. | ||
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Sandro is obviously ahead, but we're still 4 hours away from lynch and a lot can happen. Kita just claimed he has a list of scumreads, but he's not sharing them. He should post them to make sure he doesn't get lynched (if he's town), or at the very least have them available to us if he flips town. How is this hard to understand? | ||
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On November 25 2012 04:08 Dienosore wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 04:05 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 25 2012 04:05 Dienosore wrote: Is that so, clarity? Plan on whipping a up a mob against him hours before the noose drops, eh? Totally. Ok well, I'll be your first supporter then ##Vote: GoodKarma He was talking about Kita, and my "totally" was rather sarcastic. I don't deny the possibility I might switch but something would have to change in a big way for that to happen. TC you are useless and I would argue with you if I thought we would get anywhere. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 25 2012 01:42 Toadesstern wrote: Okay done reading. Marv looks definitely better d2 so I'll ignore him for now. Sandroba looks the same way he did d2 so I still think he's the best way to go, not to mention that it's not that much time left. So much for the changes for d1 to d2. Drazerk looks like a madmen, like you guys said and well it's Drazerk.... Those people get shot and not lynched, it's as simple as that. A lynch on Drazerk is a (imo) random lynch as he could be doing that from both points of view and I don't have an idea what's going on in his head. Additionally I'd say that's probably not going to change that soon, which is why I'd say we let vigs deal with him, both to get rid of him and to make sure we don't have a Drazerk lynch that gives us 0 information while flipping like a dice role. The bad thing about lynching Drazerk is that anyone and their mom can hop on that lynch and say "herpa derp it's Drazerk, let's lynch him beacuse he's anti-town" and after the lynch we're in complete chaos because he either flipped red and everyone's pissed at those who thought he shouldn't be lynched because he's always like that or he's going to flip his chef / invoker thingie and people we don't get anything out of it because he was doing bullshit after all. TL; dr: Don't lynch that guy, shoot him. Completly ignore him in all other regards. Other than that I don't really like Chroniclers fashion of going after people. Can't help but feel that he thinks he needs to emphasize and point out very obvious things a lot. Could be me omgusing though, so I'd rather have some input from someone else about that. Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 01:31 Dienosore wrote: On November 24 2012 23:01 Toadesstern wrote: screw that ##vote Sandro I mapped you voting for sandro a long time ago. Why do you feel the need to vote him again, and in such a lackadaisical manner? [...] I didn't. On the start of d2 I said I'd like to vote for Sandro, maybe marv, went to the trainstation and was basicly afk for 24 hours. Now I'm back and gave a heads up on my current thoughts. I usually don't feel the need to copy&paste what I said earlier if nothing changed but I can do that from now on if it you makes you feel better :p I actually haven't understood your map yet, like Marv said I've been mainly mentioning Sand and him d1&d2 so far, maybe Keir a little d1 but I think I made it very clear that that was on purpose to get something going and I don't see arrows between Marv and me. But than again who knows what arrow belongs to what person | ||
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On November 25 2012 05:20 Acrofales wrote: Oh, looks like Sandro is cruising for a modkill too. Howso? | ||
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On November 25 2012 05:30 Djodref wrote: 1)The wagon against sandro seems quite stupid to me. I think we should better lynch CJ or some other lurker rather than sandroba. There are not so many things indicating clearly a mafia playee in sandroba filter. I could lynch TheChronicler or CJ or Toad or risk.nuke. 2)Seriuously guys, sandroba has contributed in a more useful way than any of these guys... 1) Yes you've said this, a lot. 2) No he hasn't. | ||
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I ask any town night actions to shoot Sandro. ##Vote Toadesstern | ||
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If you think they're both equal but you voted for Sandro first and that's why you stay, consider that Toad has actually stayed active but produced just as much content as Toad. | ||
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On November 25 2012 05:46 Acrofales wrote: In fact, it's not just me. There are quite a number of people reluctant to vote him. And the "the wagon is retarded" defense IS a defense. However, Toad is scum. The fact that I don't even recall you trying to defend him should be indicative of how much I thought of it. Your case on Toad on the other hand makes a lot of sense. "The wagon is retarded" is a terrible defense and more of an issue with wagons than an issue with lynching toad. People just don't want people to sheep their vote and go afk. | ||
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On November 25 2012 05:46 Djodref wrote: If sandro was scum, why would he have stopped his campaign and gona AWOL when he started to get some traction ? There are some better people to lynch. Jumping on the Toad wagon !!!? ##Unvote Vote Toad I already addressed this. There are two motivations for scum to run for election. 1) Run to win and make town fail the mission. 2) Convenient excuse to not scumhunt, just drop out later. | ||
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On November 25 2012 05:56 Hapahauli wrote: Sandro looks to be heading to a modkill, and for those of you voting for him, it's worth it to consider another voting option as to not waste the lynch for today. Toad perhaps. You're the second to mention a modkill on Sandro. Did I miss something? | ||
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On November 25 2012 06:08 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 05:03 kitaman27 wrote: On November 25 2012 04:30 marvellosity wrote: Interesting. I will have to cogitate because my first inclination is to believe this. Where do you stand with Cave now. Do you still see him as null and someone who should be left alone? I want Cave to answer for himself as he appears to be somewhat in the thread. Cave, what say you to what kita claimed (a shot on you that went through at half HP). Unlike Acro/others I'm perfectly happy sheeping syllogism if it comes down to that. I prefer a sandroba lynch to a Toad lynch. What do you think of Toad, then? | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:01 phagga wrote: hey all, i'm back. I'm currently reading from page 113. If anyone has urgent questions to me, please point them to me here, i will refresh this page every 2 minutes or so to address them. My vote is currently on CaveJohnson. I ask you to consolidate on Sandro (who might be modkilled, but as marv pointed out you shouldnt play to that) or Toad. | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:19 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 07:13 goodkarma wrote: My mind is blown that with an hour left to go people nitpick over things like this when really the only question you should be asking is: Sandroba or Toad? Really? your suggesting we shouldn't be still scumhunting and have tunnel vision. Keriharti nitpicking and aggression there is also a town tell in my view. He is suspicious in a good way. Your point there was scummy as shit. You think we should have blinders on right now really? I have to agree, we're way past the point of scumhunting, we can return to that tomorrow. Right now people need to decide, Sandro or Toad | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:21 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 07:20 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 25 2012 07:19 iamperfection wrote: On November 25 2012 07:13 goodkarma wrote: My mind is blown that with an hour left to go people nitpick over things like this when really the only question you should be asking is: Sandroba or Toad? Really? your suggesting we shouldn't be still scumhunting and have tunnel vision. Keriharti nitpicking and aggression there is also a town tell in my view. He is suspicious in a good way. Your point there was scummy as shit. You think we should have blinders on right now really? I have to agree, we're way past the point of scumhunting, we can return to that tomorrow. Right now people need to decide, Sandro or Toad wat how can you say that after mario Just because we got lucky (people's guts were in the right place I admit) I still dislike last minute shenanigans. | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:22 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 07:22 Djodref wrote: Bowser Hapahauli random lynch in 5 minutes. Never forget. Anything can happen ^^ i take offense to the word random in that sentence Random as fuck. As for the other thing, can't tell you. | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:25 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 07:24 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 25 2012 07:22 iamperfection wrote: On November 25 2012 07:22 Djodref wrote: Bowser Hapahauli random lynch in 5 minutes. Never forget. Anything can happen ^^ i take offense to the word random in that sentence Random as fuck. As for the other thing, can't tell you. uh will you be able to tell later? (for reasons i cant tell you) When is later? I'd prefer not to. | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:26 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 07:20 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 25 2012 07:19 iamperfection wrote: On November 25 2012 07:13 goodkarma wrote: My mind is blown that with an hour left to go people nitpick over things like this when really the only question you should be asking is: Sandroba or Toad? Really? your suggesting we shouldn't be still scumhunting and have tunnel vision. Keriharti nitpicking and aggression there is also a town tell in my view. He is suspicious in a good way. Your point there was scummy as shit. You think we should have blinders on right now really? I have to agree, we're way past the point of scumhunting, we can return to that tomorrow. Right now people need to decide, Sandro or Toad My guess is that we are going to be back at picking a party leader tomorrow. The problem is that I think that the final blow is going to be delivered to Frog tonight so we'll have to find a new "almost confirmed" town player for tomorrow... I don't think so, as Dieno said another blow like that would cripple him. So unless scum is going to do more than the 425/450 (I forget) damage they did, he'll be alive. | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:28 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 25 2012 07:25 iamperfection wrote: On November 25 2012 07:24 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 25 2012 07:22 iamperfection wrote: On November 25 2012 07:22 Djodref wrote: Bowser Hapahauli random lynch in 5 minutes. Never forget. Anything can happen ^^ i take offense to the word random in that sentence Random as fuck. As for the other thing, can't tell you. uh will you be able to tell later? (for reasons i cant tell you) When is later? I'd prefer not to. we can talk about(whether we want to talk about it) it later i guess. Lol, sure. | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:35 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 07:18 CaveJohnson wrote: On November 25 2012 07:17 Djodref wrote: On November 25 2012 07:14 CaveJohnson wrote: On November 25 2012 07:10 Djodref wrote: On November 25 2012 07:08 CaveJohnson wrote: On November 25 2012 07:08 iamperfection wrote: On November 25 2012 07:07 CaveJohnson wrote: On November 25 2012 07:05 iamperfection wrote: On November 25 2012 07:03 CaveJohnson wrote: [quote] Don't give him ideas for an excuse... you know when people tell me to do something i usually don't listen. That wasn't a command it was pointing out a silly post. almost as silly as pointing it out Pointing it out does nothing once its already out there Would you like to share something with wrt your abilities ? Something that we could confirm tomorrow ? Not without giving away which one I'm using and who I'm targeting with which I don't want to do right now. So I guess you'll have no problem with calling you full of shit tomorrow ^^ I'll probably be dead to be honest Drazerk just claimed scum. A fair point, because scum wouldn't kill him. Does that mean we should lynch him, though? Or assume town is killing him tonight? | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:42 CaveJohnson wrote: Also I'm saying I'll be killed by town not scum etc this time. Yet you never tried to talk anyone out of it. Ugh. | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:44 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 07:43 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 25 2012 07:42 CaveJohnson wrote: Also I'm saying I'll be killed by town not scum etc this time. Yet you never tried to talk anyone out of it. Ugh. I was dead as soon as I had to role claim to save acro / snb You think you saved acro and snb by roleclaiming? Saved them from what? | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:46 phagga wrote: why exactly would Sandro be modkilled? He hasn't voted yet. | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:46 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 07:46 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 25 2012 07:44 CaveJohnson wrote: On November 25 2012 07:43 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 25 2012 07:42 CaveJohnson wrote: Also I'm saying I'll be killed by town not scum etc this time. Yet you never tried to talk anyone out of it. Ugh. I was dead as soon as I had to role claim to save acro / snb You think you saved acro and snb by roleclaiming? Saved them from what? They was drawing heat since they knew my identity due to my posting style. Better the life of 2 than 1 Seriously? They were drawing heat? This is blazinghand JK claim day 1 all over again. Terrible. | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Acro, do you think that there are mafia on the Toad wagon? Your case is ok, but I would like to see some defense from Toad and since that is not happening, I dont feel comfortable with a Toad lynch today I think they're on both. I think focusing on motivations are more important as there are plenty of reasons to be on either. | ||
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Anyway, marv I'm guessing you only got notified of any damage you took? On November 25 2012 15:03 Dienosore wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 14:16 Dienosore wrote: On November 25 2012 07:26 Djodref wrote: My guess is that we are going to be back at picking a party leader tomorrow. The problem is that I think that the final blow is going to be delivered to Frog tonight so we'll have to find a new "almost confirmed" town player for tomorrow... Why were you so confident I would be dead? I'm beginning to rethink your spot. Oh I just found this! Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 10:27 Djodref wrote: @marv I think we can limit ourselves to one party member from the last time. Dieno is the most obvious town in my eyes. I don't know how he is still alive but I would definitively take him in my party. Why does does it surprise you so much that im still alive & kickin?! Djo he already said he took 425 or 450 dmg last night and another blow like that would cripple him, not kill him. Anyway good lynch guys! I'm inclined to believe the DT checks on Toad, now the question is, was he an obvious 'framer' target, and if so, does that change the fact that he should die? The case on hopeless seems pretty damning. | ||
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On November 25 2012 16:24 Dienosore wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 15:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Dieno, did you take any damage tonight? Sry, I'd rather not say unless you absolutely demand it of me Okay that's fine. | ||
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Oats can you tell us if your PM says something along the lines of "Check if two players have the same alignment" or "Checks two players, and you will be told if they show the same alignment" I'm thinking maybe a framer-like ability will not affect Oat's result. | ||
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On November 25 2012 17:17 Dienosore wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 17:11 Clarity_nl wrote: You know the more people call me obvious town the more I'm afraid of getting randomly lynched down the line. Why would townies lynch a fellow towny? Don't you mean "I'm afraid of getting gunned down in the night."? It's more of a joke regarding last game I played in, where the two townies who got night killed both gave me strong town reads, and the third day I got lynched. | ||
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Just resting my vote here as I believe Dieno is not a bad pick. I might still change it since Djo has a point. Syllo said he got an item and there is quite the chance that Dieno will die after this cycle, so if someone runs for election that I'm willing to back I'll end up switching. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 25 2012 09:32 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 01:21 kitaman27 wrote: On November 24 2012 17:22 Promethelax wrote: Sandroba: please claim why you targeted Syllo with your ability last nigth This is a really important post. In any game I would host or any game that I can recall playing, a player who is roleblocked does not return any results to tracking abilities. As sandroba insists he targeted syllo, but was roleblocked, either one of these two players is lying or prom really needs to clarify his role. Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 03:54 marvellosity wrote: Although, kita, I will agree with you on this - Prome's absence is completely disgraceful given his earlier revelation and the fact that sandroba is the main wagon. That's pretty much completely unacceptable, whatever real life excuses he'll give us. okay, it seems that my role is pretty contentious for Kita and Kier (and probably everyone else who has a name that stars with K) the ability I used last night Roleblocks all players who target a single player with their actions. I took a gamble and assumed that I was the only one with a roleblocking ability because only two people claimed RB'd and I assumed that they both targeted Syllo. I did not want to reveal why I knew that those players targeted Syllo or the correlation with the roleblocks (this is why I haven't yet confronted marv about his targeting Syllo but now that the cat is out of the bag: Marv, what were you trying to do to the Great Leader?). I decided to gamble that i was right and that Sand had targeted Syllo (50% chance at least just from there being only two RB claims) and force him to claim what he had done. My bread crumb should be obvious to anyone looking but here it is: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 05:40 Promethelax wrote: Hapa, you will not get my vote today. You come to late to change this election and I don't like that you push us away from Sand/Syllo but don't mention Kita except as a 'joke' I agree with you that we should not be voting Sand based on his unopposed candidacy and I didn't want to vote Syllo since he seemed intent on bringing Sand with him on the mission. I still prefer Syllo over Sand and will vote him if things get tight, as it is though I am more comfortable with Kita than either of them, his town reads are still strong to me even though he is not as townine in my mind as any of the three he chose to take with him. In my catching up I saw Kita post something asking why I was voting him if I didn't think he was the best leader. I thought I had made this clear, he was the best leader with a chance of success. If that wasn't clear my apologies, my intention was to communicate that Kita was the least of the evils which were available to me. I am sending in my night action(s) now. I will be in the thread for another hour. Syllo: I believe that it is now time for you to announce the members of your team and the reasons for their inclusion. You probably will win this election and I would like to hear your reasons for their inclusion in your team, you may not be able to give us those reads next day since you may be killed by scum/3party. I don't want to block up the thread with a lot of fluf but I think that your reasons would be a worthwhile inclusion that might protect townies from other townies at a later date. this is why I said that I was sending in my night actions there, to be clear that this is where I specified them. I'm saying that I am using my power to protect Syllo and that it will [role]block people who target him. It isn't a brilliant crumb but I think the awkward wording speaks for itself, this is a crumb. I have other powers but this is the one you need to know about. If I place this on a plyer and they are not targeted for a certain number of cycles than it will provide a certain amount of protection against damage from any in game source. That being said I would like to return to game things: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 02:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Can someone other than marv confirm that Drazerk would be a coinflip at the point? I have not played with him but the games I have read of his would suggest that this is totally true. Marv is right here. Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 02:19 Hapahauli wrote: Hmmm I see everyone ignored the stuff I posted on Promethelax... anyone care to comment? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=112#2236 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=113#2241 Hapa: you ignored everything I said in response. I think you know better that my actions follow the way I think about the game which, as should be obvious, is not always the dominant way of thinking. Since you haven't responded to me I don't have more to add except that you are a top scum read for me now. I've never seen you, as town, push that someone is scum but also refuse to engage with them. You are more hands on. I expect this disengaged sort of attack from Zbo but not from you. hah, gotcha Sand. In post game I'm going to revel in getting that one right. Just in case anyone wasn't sure. | ||
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On November 25 2012 18:16 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 18:13 Djodref wrote: On November 25 2012 18:07 iamperfection wrote: On November 25 2012 18:02 Djodref wrote: On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longer My objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno. why are we making an assumption that the assets would be better in their hands anyways? Also why would the mafia have an easier time killing oats or anyone else for that matter? 1. we dont know if a so called vet having the item is any better than a so called newer player 2. we dont know the roles of our fellow members that could be more beneficial against the lavos. 1. I'm sure a vet would make a better use of the item than the newbie. But I have no idea of the relation between item/character. 2. Me neither but I assume that it is safer to trust the vets to take better decisions than the newbies to fight Lavos, regardless of their roles and abilities. You're making a lot of assumptions that don't make logical sense. It's quite possible that whatever the 'gift' is ONLY works on Lavos, in which case it doesn't matter WHO has it. Also, we don't even know that its something you can 'use' anyways. Maybe its just a buff to all abilities used against Lavos. Or maybe its a debuff on Lavos that does something else. You're assuming too much when you know absolutely nothing. I think if you list all the possibilities of what this "gift" might be, and then answer the question "if the gift is X, does it matter if it's on a vet or not?" odds are the answer will be yes most of the time, and even if it wasn't most of the time it would still have no downsides. The only BIG downside right now is that our two close-to-confirmed town are Oats and Dieno. Who are not vets. But the argument "you don't know enough to make that call" is a bit misplaced. | ||
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On November 25 2012 18:27 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 18:22 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 25 2012 18:16 Keirathi wrote: On November 25 2012 18:13 Djodref wrote: On November 25 2012 18:07 iamperfection wrote: On November 25 2012 18:02 Djodref wrote: On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longer My objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno. why are we making an assumption that the assets would be better in their hands anyways? Also why would the mafia have an easier time killing oats or anyone else for that matter? 1. we dont know if a so called vet having the item is any better than a so called newer player 2. we dont know the roles of our fellow members that could be more beneficial against the lavos. 1. I'm sure a vet would make a better use of the item than the newbie. But I have no idea of the relation between item/character. 2. Me neither but I assume that it is safer to trust the vets to take better decisions than the newbies to fight Lavos, regardless of their roles and abilities. You're making a lot of assumptions that don't make logical sense. It's quite possible that whatever the 'gift' is ONLY works on Lavos, in which case it doesn't matter WHO has it. Also, we don't even know that its something you can 'use' anyways. Maybe its just a buff to all abilities used against Lavos. Or maybe its a debuff on Lavos that does something else. You're assuming too much when you know absolutely nothing. I think if you list all the possibilities of what this "gift" might be, and then answer the question "if the gift is X, does it matter if it's on a vet or not?" odds are the answer will be yes most of the time, and even if it wasn't most of the time it would still have no downsides. The only BIG downside right now is that our two close-to-confirmed town are Oats and Dieno. Who are not vets. But the argument "you don't know enough to make that call" is a bit misplaced. I disagree with you almost completely. The only time I think it could really make any difference on vets vs newbies is if its something like "You get a free vig shot" or something that requires the newbie to make a read, where the might not be as experienced making those kinds of decisions. My opinion is that the gifts likely aren't anything like that. But again, we don't fucking know. This is all pointless setup speculation. You disagree very strongly yet you name something that would be better on a vet than a non-vet..... Can you name something that would be better on a non-vet than a vet? | ||
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On November 25 2012 18:42 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 18:38 Clarity_nl wrote: I disagree with that argument Djo because our medic roles also have an easier time deciding who to protect. Yeah, okay, I didn't think it from the medic point of view. Good point... Would you rather vote Oats or Dieno for a party leader then ^ I think both would be decent choices, as I said though if a vet convinces me he is town and is willing to lead I would pick him. Currently my vote is on Dieno but I might change is just because Oats just claimed he's full hp, and Dieno not so much. | ||
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On November 25 2012 20:20 syllogism wrote: Yeah sure. I'm fairly certain that Prom is mafia and that his first claimed ability is real. The one he is claiming now is completely ridiculous as a town ability. It is so strong that even if it was a real ability, I don't see a town aligned player claiming it like that. Sandroba was headed for a lynch and we didn't need additional information to secure the lynch. Both of his abilities could be real, but the mass roleblock ability is extremely unlikely to be an ability of a town aligned role. I think bussing is the strongest ability Sandro had and it is very likely that it is the one he used (although frame bus is a bit ambigious). Prom targeted marv n1 with his rb+track or whatever ability. Right now I don't quite understand why he decided to change his claim, but I guess one possibility is to make marv look slightly suspicious/force him to claim and perhaps he thinks he gets more town cred like this. Isn't the ability he describes basically a jailkeeper ability? | ||
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On November 25 2012 20:29 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 20:28 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 25 2012 20:20 syllogism wrote: Yeah sure. I'm fairly certain that Prom is mafia and that his first claimed ability is real. The one he is claiming now is completely ridiculous as a town ability. It is so strong that even if it was a real ability, I don't see a town aligned player claiming it like that. Sandroba was headed for a lynch and we didn't need additional information to secure the lynch. Both of his abilities could be real, but the mass roleblock ability is extremely unlikely to be an ability of a town aligned role. I think bussing is the strongest ability Sandro had and it is very likely that it is the one he used (although frame bus is a bit ambigious). Prom targeted marv n1 with his rb+track or whatever ability. Right now I don't quite understand why he decided to change his claim, but I guess one possibility is to make marv look slightly suspicious/force him to claim and perhaps he thinks he gets more town cred like this. Isn't the ability he describes basically a jailkeeper ability? I've thought about it that way but that isn't entirely true. Instead if rb'ing the guy I target I rb the people who target him. Right, so the only difference is that if somehow people are trying to use multiple abilities, and one of them is used on your target then it won't happen. | ||
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On November 25 2012 20:42 Hassybaby wrote: 9 If anyone knows what the countdown is I would love it if you told us. | ||
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On November 25 2012 09:32 Promethelax wrote: okay, it seems that my role is pretty contentious for Kita and Kier (and probably everyone else who has a name that stars with K) the ability I used last night Roleblocks all players who target a single player with their actions. I took a gamble and assumed that I was the only one with a roleblocking ability because only two people claimed RB'd and I assumed that they both targeted Syllo. I did not want to reveal why I knew that those players targeted Syllo or the correlation with the roleblocks (this is why I haven't yet confronted marv about his targeting Syllo but now that the cat is out of the bag: Marv, what were you trying to do to the Great Leader?). I decided to gamble that i was right and that Sand had targeted Syllo (50% chance at least just from there being only two RB claims) and force him to claim what he had done. <snip> Why, though? | ||
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On November 25 2012 20:49 Promethelax wrote: I assume it is a countdown to Lavos but I want to know what tim it was supposed to be posted in case it is related to something we say. Lie if every time we say "stupid fucking butt monkey" or something it gets lower and at the end...?something bad I assume. Nah it's not a countdown to Lavos unless he shows up 3rd cycle which seems way too fast, especially since the only death so far was a lynch. | ||
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On November 25 2012 20:53 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 20:50 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 25 2012 09:32 Promethelax wrote: okay, it seems that my role is pretty contentious for Kita and Kier (and probably everyone else who has a name that stars with K) the ability I used last night Roleblocks all players who target a single player with their actions. I took a gamble and assumed that I was the only one with a roleblocking ability because only two people claimed RB'd and I assumed that they both targeted Syllo. I did not want to reveal why I knew that those players targeted Syllo or the correlation with the roleblocks (this is why I haven't yet confronted marv about his targeting Syllo but now that the cat is out of the bag: Marv, what were you trying to do to the Great Leader?). I decided to gamble that i was right and that Sand had targeted Syllo (50% chance at least just from there being only two RB claims) and force him to claim what he had done. <snip> Why, though? because I thought it was likely that in a 25 player game at least one player would target the leader of the successful d1 quest, I assumed that at least one mafia would target him with a detrimental ability. If no one targeted him he would eventually gain some protection. win-win. But you worked from the assumption that in a 25 player game you're the only one with a roleblocking ability? On November 25 2012 20:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually I think that its too fast to be for lavos, the first '10' was posted less than 12 hours ago, I think that it is related to an ability. I also think that the ability is targeted towards a scum player because a town player wouldve told us the reason. WIFOM ftw :D I don't think that's WIFOM. It would be wifom to call someone who tells us about the countdown town, however. | ||
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On November 25 2012 10:05 GreYMisT wrote: 10 On November 25 2012 20:42 Hassybaby wrote: 9 It would be weird to assume these are time-bound, just because of the times. Maybe it's something we say or it's something someone is doing. Either way we need a third data point to rule some things out. I think we should ignore this for now. | ||
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On November 25 2012 20:59 Hassybaby wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 20:57 Promethelax wrote: On November 25 2012 20:55 Hassybaby wrote: On November 25 2012 20:45 Promethelax wrote: okay guys, those of you who have played CT. Any idea what a countdown has to do with anything? how delayed? Just under an hour now. Was supposed to be at 20:00 KST exactly 20:00? Yes Oh, every 10 hours is a fair assumption then.... disregard last post. | ||
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On November 25 2012 21:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Right, I think that the timecodes are in KST right? New to TL Yep. 10 hours apart, we still should ignore it for now until we have more info. | ||
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On November 26 2012 00:21 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 00:20 Djodref wrote: On November 26 2012 00:15 CaveJohnson wrote: 25 19 7 5 Not number related I guess. It could be collateral damage if you all targeted the same person. I know mine lasts for 2 cycles so I wouldn't be too worried if that was the case. I didn't not target anyone during the first cycle :s Maybe its something targeting your time period? I do not have a specific timeperiod. | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv if something happens tonight other than you taking damage please do not share that fact, I might rely on it later. On November 25 2012 21:31 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 15:37 Clarity_nl wrote: I took 30 damage, same as Djo. And we both took 20 damage last night. I'm willling to guess we'll take 40 damage tonight. Anyway, marv I'm guessing you only got notified of any damage you took? Catching up on the thread atm. I took no damage last night, but I was healed. Dicks. | ||
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On November 26 2012 00:24 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 00:22 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 26 2012 00:21 CaveJohnson wrote: On November 26 2012 00:20 Djodref wrote: On November 26 2012 00:15 CaveJohnson wrote: 25 19 7 5 Not number related I guess. It could be collateral damage if you all targeted the same person. I know mine lasts for 2 cycles so I wouldn't be too worried if that was the case. I didn't not target anyone during the first cycle :s Maybe its something targeting your time period? I do not have a specific timeperiod. Wiki your character. Mine wasn't specified either but I know I'm from 1000AD. I guarantee you it is not. | ||
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On November 26 2012 00:27 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 00:25 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 25 2012 07:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv if something happens tonight other than you taking damage please do not share that fact, I might rely on it later. On November 25 2012 21:31 marvellosity wrote: On November 25 2012 15:37 Clarity_nl wrote: I took 30 damage, same as Djo. And we both took 20 damage last night. I'm willling to guess we'll take 40 damage tonight. Anyway, marv I'm guessing you only got notified of any damage you took? Catching up on the thread atm. I took no damage last night, but I was healed. Dicks. lol, I have no problem with you healing marv Clarity. You were so obvious by the way It was 1 shot anyway, but marv would've only gotten healed with the right circumstances that I'm not willing to share, but let me just say that marv has not been lying about his night stuff. | ||
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On November 26 2012 00:28 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 00:25 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 26 2012 00:24 CaveJohnson wrote: On November 26 2012 00:22 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 26 2012 00:21 CaveJohnson wrote: On November 26 2012 00:20 Djodref wrote: On November 26 2012 00:15 CaveJohnson wrote: 25 19 7 5 Not number related I guess. It could be collateral damage if you all targeted the same person. I know mine lasts for 2 cycles so I wouldn't be too worried if that was the case. I didn't not target anyone during the first cycle :s Maybe its something targeting your time period? I do not have a specific timeperiod. Wiki your character. Mine wasn't specified either but I know I'm from 1000AD. I guarantee you it is not. Oh am I missing something about where my character came from 0.o? No, sorry. I guarantee my character is not from a specific era. | ||
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On November 26 2012 00:44 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 00:34 Clarity_nl wrote: I think it's just a 1shot, pick 3 people, they will take incremental damage for X cycles. I don't think there's much more to read into it. I do think it makes it more likely that djo and iamp are town though, although obviously it's possible one of us is lying about the damage. @Clarity Are you the one lying about the damage ? Does it matter how I answer? No, I'm not lying. | ||
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On November 26 2012 00:51 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 00:46 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 26 2012 00:44 Djodref wrote: On November 26 2012 00:34 Clarity_nl wrote: I think it's just a 1shot, pick 3 people, they will take incremental damage for X cycles. I don't think there's much more to read into it. I do think it makes it more likely that djo and iamp are town though, although obviously it's possible one of us is lying about the damage. @Clarity Are you the one lying about the damage ? Does it matter how I answer? No, I'm not lying. So why did you say that this ability is picking 3 people ? Because I thought it was 3 people. | ||
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On November 26 2012 01:44 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 01:34 iamperfection wrote: I was healed because someone is paying attention and thats ill I will say about that @iamp I would eat my hat is this "someone" is town. Paying attention ? Like in "I should heal iamp because he is obviously the biggest asset of the town" ? You'll eat your hat? How did you go from not mentioning iamp to suddenly being so sure he's scum? Sure your case has merit but it's not a knockout by any standard. | ||
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On November 26 2012 02:08 goodkarma wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 26 2012 01:44 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 01:34 iamperfection wrote: I was healed because someone is paying attention and thats ill I will say about that @iamp I would eat my hat is this "someone" is town. Paying attention ? Like in "I should heal iamp because he is obviously the biggest asset of the town" ? Trying to cattle-prod people of the apathy that iamp has shown won't get you very far... Am I missing something, or have we not finalized a team party? I would have thought that would be our top priority. People I'm okay with seeing in a party (in no particular order): Hapa - definitely someone others here might consider an interesting choice, but he has shown a genuine interest in the thread and I am in general agreement with his reads. I have not played with him when he was scum, so not based off of meta... Oats - prior party, all but "confirmed" town Dieno - prior party, all but "confirmed" town Keir - prior party, all but "confirmed" town syllo - prior party, all but "confirmed" town Acro. - verifiable role claim, super-active and geniunely interested in scum hunting TheChronicler - Don't like his posting, and yet claim is easily verifiable. I doubt scum would have done this. Marv - I can understand the merits of taking him along with three strong town reads as a means of "confirming he's town." I've never played with him before (unless you count rockband, which I replaced out of quite early). As such, I am working off his reputation of being a strong scum player when asking we be cautious about bringing him unless we can establish him as the weak link in our party if it fails. So if I were to recommend a team it would be: Oats / Dieno / (TheChronicler or Hapa) / Marv Keir and Acro are not good picks due to their self-admitted low success modifiers. As for Clarity: Clarity made a "case" on sandroba long after his lynch was gaining traction. If this is the reason people have determined he is a good party candidate, I would ask they reconsider. It's pretty clear scum bussed Sandroba, so I don't give him much town cred for doing this... Oats and Dieno have gained the most traction as party leader. Perhaps we could spend a little time coming to some consensus as to which of them should lead before we argue about scum suspects we can't lynch today? I guess I should address this. I made the case because I easily saw the bandwagon dissappearing, although I was convinced he was scum. Everyone seemed to call the bandwagon stupid and people were saying that the only reason he has so many votes was because he went inactive, I went to prove that there was a legitimate reason to vote for him. But yeah it's fair that you shouldn't give me townie cred for my 2nd case on him. | ||
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On November 26 2012 02:42 Djodref wrote: I'm going to fight all the campaigns and parties including TheChronicler. We cannot check the truth of his claim. He isn't a beacon of townieness. Also, nobody is voting for me and I think that some of my points were wrong, especially the fact the we shouldn't concentrate too much town assets on a single player. It could make like easier for the protective roles. Regarding the point where we should try to propose 3 new players as party members, it doesn't look like this idea is popular. Conclusion - I withdraw my candidature for this election ! I would like Oats as a party leader ! It's his time period and he still has full health. I'm counting on the protective roles to take care of him. I wish him to receive a gift and to use it well. And yes I've changed my mind about it ! I would like Syllo or Dieno as second member for this party. Risk.nuke brought up an interesting point about how the HP of the players could influence the outcome of the event. It's up to the leader choice I recognize town Clarity in our Clarity and I think I could sense scum Clarity quite easily. In my opinion, Clarity should be the third member of the expedition. I'm not decided yet on the fourth and last member of my ideal team. I'm leaning on Marv right now. I would like to be brought along but I don't think my presence would be very consensual. Plus I know that Oats doesn't like my style of play Might be shooting myself in the foot by saying this but you underestimate how fast I improve at things. | ||
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On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote: My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them. He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering) | ||
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On November 26 2012 02:51 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote: My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them. He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering) He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day. My mistake. So many claimed night actions I should go make a list before I open my mouth again. I still don't think they're bad choices even for N1 though. Sandro was under scrutiny near the end of that cycle. | ||
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On November 26 2012 02:52 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 02:46 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 26 2012 02:42 Djodref wrote: I'm going to fight all the campaigns and parties including TheChronicler. We cannot check the truth of his claim. He isn't a beacon of townieness. Also, nobody is voting for me and I think that some of my points were wrong, especially the fact the we shouldn't concentrate too much town assets on a single player. It could make like easier for the protective roles. Regarding the point where we should try to propose 3 new players as party members, it doesn't look like this idea is popular. Conclusion - I withdraw my candidature for this election ! I would like Oats as a party leader ! It's his time period and he still has full health. I'm counting on the protective roles to take care of him. I wish him to receive a gift and to use it well. And yes I've changed my mind about it ! I would like Syllo or Dieno as second member for this party. Risk.nuke brought up an interesting point about how the HP of the players could influence the outcome of the event. It's up to the leader choice I recognize town Clarity in our Clarity and I think I could sense scum Clarity quite easily. In my opinion, Clarity should be the third member of the expedition. I'm not decided yet on the fourth and last member of my ideal team. I'm leaning on Marv right now. I would like to be brought along but I don't think my presence would be very consensual. Plus I know that Oats doesn't like my style of play Might be shooting myself in the foot by saying this but you underestimate how fast I improve at things. Yeah, you are certainly right, I'm underestimating you But I have some big town tells in your filter for this game, sorry ^^ You were not bad at all for a first scum in your first (I don't count the modkill one) game. I'm anticipating the next game in which I could tunnel you to death. Who would you be your ideal party for today by the way ? We'll see, because I can easily see you tunneling someone to death who turns out to be town, and you were so present for two days no one got anything done. =] Eh, ideal party. Dieno Oats myself..... fourth is the hardest. I'd have to re-check but the three I'd consider would be marv, hapa and phagga | ||
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On November 26 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 02:55 Keirathi wrote: On November 26 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 26 2012 02:51 Keirathi wrote: On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote: My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them. He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering) He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day. My mistake. So many claimed night actions I should go make a list before I open my mouth again. I still don't think they're bad choices even for N1 though. Sandro was under scrutiny near the end of that cycle. Yea, but that's my point. He checked Sandro against TOAD? Why? What purpose did that serve? Why not against Dieno, the claimed Frog? Or against syllo, the person calling sandro scum and the direct counterwagon to sandro's leadership? I agree with you absolutely that it's a weird check. However, people often handle their roles in extremely weird, and blatantly suboptimal, ways. Let me be devils advocate for a minute. Is it possible he just had a feeling about Toad and since it looked like Sandro would be lynched the following day it would be an easy way to check out Toad? | ||
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On November 26 2012 03:16 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 03:15 Dienosore wrote: On November 26 2012 03:12 Djodref wrote: EBWOP: but I'm not voting Oats until I obtain some assurance that TC is not in the party Oats and I agreed earlier on a team consisting of me/marv/clarity I would vote for that I'm totally blaming marv if the event fails ^^ Me three, no joke | ||
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It's not a defense of him at all. I return to the thread and everyone is speculating setup, grey swoops in and shuts it down and you guys start speculating about that. Hopeless is scummy as fuck as he had a case made on him that said he added nothing and he's setup speculating again. TC you keep pointing out random stuff that has no connection and try to make a big deal out of it but I have yet to see you make a coherent point. | ||
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On November 23 2012 23:24 strongandbig wrote: Hey thread I'm at the airport Flying to visit my old college roommate in Britain I'll post as much as I can but idk how consistent wifi ill have Plz not to kill me like last time I went on vacation - that's the only time I've ever been mostly chef an I'd rather not repeat it I've read this post a couple of times.... judging from snb's last game (mario mini) this could just be him being an idiot but I am so irked by him right now. You don't know ahead of time you're getting on a plane and going on "vacation"? Why even sign up. Why not say so ahead of time. | ||
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On November 26 2012 06:28 phagga wrote: K, I'm all for a party with Oats and Dieno. Since Oats has the character matching this time and is willing to listen to input of high profile town players like syllo, I will put my vote on him. ##Vote Oatsmaster Phagga if this was a lynch cycle and we couldn't lynch Toad, who'd you vote for? | ||
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On November 26 2012 06:41 marvellosity wrote: i'm quite happy with an oats/dieno/me/clarity team Apart from anything else I can't see Clarity playing silly buggers with me as mafia, it makes no sense. What's that mean? You silly british person. | ||
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On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote: haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) Seriously though isn't that the silliest thing you've ever heard? Where is the danger in saying "please vote and unvote me every cycle" | ||
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On November 26 2012 08:03 kitaman27 wrote: My current preferred party: Dienosore - Target of the bulk of the day one kp, sucessful on day one. Oats - Successful on day one, role matches the era, claims to have bused sandroba and syllo, which explains the damage that wasn't making sense to me on sandroba. Kitaman27 - I was the first person to oppose sandroba's election. I brought up my experience with sandroba in a previous election game to show how he can change his scum meta when he has something he wants. When syllo and sandroba were intent on bringing each other along, I brought up how the mafia would be content with either selection. I've been the target of 3 different anti-town roles. There was some amount of push to get me lynched yesterday with sandroba on the block. Prom - After the day post, he votes sandroba right off the bat, which matches up with the knowledge he would have that sandroba visited syllo. While his role claim came later in the cycle when sandroba was going to likely be lynched, it probably sealed his fate. As far as I can tell, his mass roleblock role was only one use. If this is the case, I disagree with syllo's assessment that the role would be overpowered for town. Prom, if this isn't the case, please claim. I don't think Marv should be selected. We know that he visited syllo, but we don't have a confirmation of his healing role. Yesterday, he came out looking quite poor leading the opposition lynch on myself, while switching to sandroba only when it was clear he wasn't returning. I don't see how he is considered one of the top four players in terms of towniness so far this game. The moment you try to explain why you're towny you're in major wifom territory. I think prom is an odd choice. | ||
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On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote: On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote: On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote: And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now. Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town. We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads. I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality. Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this. What does that mean, all people on sand are confirmed town? I don't see where you're going with this. There's no way to know, yeah some scum probably bussed him and some probably didn't | ||
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On November 26 2012 08:28 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote: On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote: On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote: On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote: And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now. Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town. We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads. I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality. Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this. What does that mean, all people on sand are confirmed town? I don't see where you're going with this. There's no way to know, yeah some scum probably bussed him and some probably didn't No. If you read the last page or two, I said I feel that sand was most likely bussed (ergo, toad). Phagga is giving gk a town read based on the fact that he didn't want people to vote for anyone other than sand or toad, and I'm not sure I agree with this logic. Scum most likely bussed Sand, therefore toad is scum.... There are a lot of reasons Toad is probably scum right now, but that is probably not one of them. As for Phagga's analysis on GK, he basically called him null by the end of it so.... don't read too much into it. | ||
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On November 26 2012 08:34 marvellosity wrote: on a sidenote, VE has done some serious disappearing. Hapa too. | ||
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On November 26 2012 08:35 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 08:30 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 26 2012 08:28 Z-BosoN wrote: On November 26 2012 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote: On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote: On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote: On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote: And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now. Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town. We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads. I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality. Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this. What does that mean, all people on sand are confirmed town? I don't see where you're going with this. There's no way to know, yeah some scum probably bussed him and some probably didn't No. If you read the last page or two, I said I feel that sand was most likely bussed (ergo, toad). Phagga is giving gk a town read based on the fact that he didn't want people to vote for anyone other than sand or toad, and I'm not sure I agree with this logic. Scum most likely bussed Sand, therefore toad is scum.... There are a lot of reasons Toad is probably scum right now, but that is probably not one of them. As for Phagga's analysis on GK, he basically called him null by the end of it so.... don't read too much into it. Clarity you are not understanding a thing I say. Sand was bussed. Evidence of this is the fact that Toad, who is almost confirmed scum, voted for him. My point is I don't see what you're getting at, like at all. You asked marv is sand was bussed and he said "probably by some" So what's your point? | ||
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On November 25 2012 16:38 Dienosore wrote: Im not going to tell you how much dmg I took last night, sorry, djo. That being said, here is the claimed dmg report so far: + Show Spoiler + Happahauli : 100 dmg Kitaman27 : 50 dmg Iamp : 30 dmg + a heal Acro : 30 dmg Djo : 30 dmg Clarity : 30 dmg Also, here is a list of notable claims and developments: + Show Spoiler + - prome claims marv targeted syllo with a spell - marv says hes a medic - kita says new game is if hapa, oats, or phagga vote for him, he dmgs ppl - keirathi claims to be 600ad char, possibly medic? - oats claims robo and has multiple abilities - Thechronicler claims he can see if two people are the same alignment, incriminated toad - acro knows chronicler is being truthful, doesnt want to come into the group, says toad is queen zeal - toad claims johnny, the attention whore robot, going to use 200 hp heal, redistrubute hp by hitting people, exposed as queen zeal scum by acro | ||
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With that, I'm off to bed. Sorry for a lazy day, it's not a lynch cycle so we have some time, tomorrow it's back to serious scumhunting. Sorry zbo for the confusion I just genuinely did not see what you were getting at. | ||
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Anyway hopeless is digging quite a hole for himself, I don't remember him being apologetic as town at all. In general I also find that people who self-analyze are more likely to be scum, town just have to play, scum have to look at their own play because it's harder to make sense to others. @ Hopeless Why do you find the need to look at your own play and conclude you look scummy? You shouldn't, even if you make the wrong decisions. Last game I tried to stop two last-minute lynches and they were both directed at scum, but I never really realized it even after the flips until it got pointed out to me. It didn't bother me either, I had my reasons at the time and since I was town they were townie reasons. Saying "well but I looked scummy" is stupid, and probably just some form of guilt because you're actually scum. Anyway, best thing for you to do is to stop defending yourself and try to scumhunt. I think the election is all sewn up anyway. Stop setup speculating and start helping us find out who to lynch other than you (if you're town). | ||
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There's nothing wrong with summarizing information like this, Dieno, but realize that there's no real original input from you when it comes to this. You put work into it and I really appreciate that, but I would like to see you make some observations of people on your own, rather than summarize those of others. | ||
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On November 26 2012 20:56 Adam4167 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 19:29 Clarity_nl wrote: I find it rather sad that I would vigi shot three people if I could: VE, Adam, CJ Any reason other than my post count? Ehhh, yes and no. Your last couple of posts are basically posts proclaiming you're still around, but then nothing comes from it. | ||
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On November 26 2012 21:11 Dienosore wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 20:47 Clarity_nl wrote: You seem to not mention Oats basically calling me scum D1, other than that that's basically how I recall the game going, yes. There's nothing wrong with summarizing information like this, Dieno, but realize that there's no real original input from you when it comes to this. You put work into it and I really appreciate that, but I would like to see you make some observations of people on your own, rather than summarize those of others. I did say that oats gave you flak on d1, maybe you just missed it And if you really think what I'm doing is just summarizing the game, then you are unfortunately misunderstanding the whole purpose. While you guys are debating each other and sifting through filters to dig up evidence for cases, I'm documenting it all. Then, I can take a step back and look for patterns and connections that you guys might miss because you are too wrapped up in what people are saying, rather than why they are saying it or who they are saying it to. Once a few more people flip, you'll be able to look back at the maps and be like, "oh snap, this guy who has been exposed as mafia has been supporting this guy all game" etc. Once one domino falls, the rest will be sure to quickly follow. I just hope I can stay alive long enough to make sure it happens. Although I need to go back and read, I generally have a good memory when it comes to how people interacted with others. I'm not saying I don't understand what you're doing, I'm saying that next to you "documenting" (which is summarizing, so you're arguing semantics IMO) you should also do some scumhunting of your own. | ||
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On November 26 2012 21:11 Dienosore wrote: I did say that oats gave you flak on d1, maybe you just missed it You said D2 actually, but it doesn't matter. | ||
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On November 26 2012 21:54 Promethelax wrote: okay so 10, 12, 14 16+18+20+22+24+26 = 126 Or 5 days 6 hours from now. Seems rather random? | ||
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On November 26 2012 22:00 Promethelax wrote: and Acro, scum will have to claim RB because I am not the only player with a RB ability so if they don't laim it and someone else rb'd them that person will know that they are claiming scum. When you were "bluffing" that marv and whoever else (I forget) got roleblocked because they targetted syllo, weren't you working under the assumption that you were the only roleblock ability? | ||
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On November 26 2012 22:13 Promethelax wrote: Clarity, you forget that this is how we found out what ability Sand used on Syllo? And that it was Sand who I bluffed into telling us that he had targeted Syllo. Acro: do you understand now with my explanation? There is no alignment revealing aspect of my ability. Could we please know the order of role resolution? Thank you I'm just trying to figure out your thinking when it came to that bluff. What if marv just got roleblocked by scum/town and he said "no I didn't target syllo, you're lying". How do you talk your way out of that? You would call marv a liar in that case? Or explain your ability at that point? | ||
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On November 26 2012 22:20 marvellosity wrote: also, could everyone agree with me about kita, please. Trying to put the pieces together, could you expand on your thoughts? | ||
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On November 26 2012 22:26 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 22:21 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 26 2012 22:20 marvellosity wrote: also, could everyone agree with me about kita, please. Trying to put the pieces together, could you expand on your thoughts? He fits the typical 3rd party profile. Kinda has town interests at heart, but only ish - for example his stuff on sandroba. But is posting less and is less incisive than I expect to see from town kita. With regards to part of his wincon being in a party, successful or no, he ran for party leader day 1, and his only meaningful post this cycle was insisting he had demonstrated his townieness and should be included in the party, even though absolutely no-one else thinks that. As regards to the games, they seem out of place as a method for anyone to deal damage. Then there is the fact that mysteriously he's had both games now and no-one else has. It makes much more sense that it's part of his role that he has to play these games than they were inflicted upon him. Yeah, I can see that that is more likely 3rd party than town, but the thing that I'm certain of is that he's not scum at this point.... Meaning we can leave him alone, right? | ||
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I definitely understand where you're coming from Djo, you want this to be something like a lurker lynch policy, but I have to go with marv, shoot for scum... not lurkers. If you can find a lurker that's scummy feel free to shoot them though. | ||
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On November 27 2012 02:16 marvellosity wrote: I imagine s&b also picked up on my breadcrumb from earlier: Made me laugh. | ||
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On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote: Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home. Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless: 1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so. 2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one). Why is everyone so much smarter than I am. | ||
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On November 27 2012 04:09 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote: Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home. Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless: 1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so. 2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one). Why is everyone so much smarter than I am. ... so you unequivocally agree with me? Yeah, it makes sense. Not to call him confirmed or anything if toad flips red but it would clear him in my book. | ||
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On November 27 2012 04:46 Dienosore wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 04:16 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 27 2012 04:09 Hapahauli wrote: On November 27 2012 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote: Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home. Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless: 1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so. 2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one). Why is everyone so much smarter than I am. ... so you unequivocally agree with me? Yeah, it makes sense. Not to call him confirmed or anything if toad flips red but it would clear him in my book. I think you are misreading what hapa wrote. He wrote that if Toad flips red, then Hopeless is town. To me this feels like a greasy move to do some damage control for the mafia. No, I understood him just fine. | ||
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On November 27 2012 08:00 Djodref wrote: lol All this talk about shooting the lurkers is something I made up to force you to participate. I have also asked several people "if Toad dies tonight, bla bla bla". I hope that a mafia RB is going to be directed at me cause I take no action tonight ^^ Sorry guys, I lied ^^ and you called me obvious. | ||
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Will put up a post later. Marv too fat had to push him off the boat, gg. (it's just flavor) | ||
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Why not Dieno or Oats? The answer is simple, I am still full hp! Meaning any item or ability or whatever we might get after a mission will go to the right person! Why not Syllo? He already has an item of sorts (or so he's claimed) so it's probably best to not put him up there again. We don't know what kind of protective roles we have but so far there have only been heals and damage preventions, but not 100% damage preventions. Meaning if scum REALLY want someone dead, they can make it happen in a cycle or two. Putting both our "items" on Syllo would be irresponsible. What is my suggested party? I (Clarity) will be your brave leader. Please not that I cannot take Oats and Dieno with me, since marv died only 1 person out of the original 4 from last party can be taken, and that would be me. Syllo, Party leader Cycle one, which was successful. That in combination with his mentality he has displayed all game I am willing to say I am certain he is town. Keirathi, he was also present in the cycle one party, despite him claiming he had a "low succes modifier". This time around he's claiming he is extra useful this mission and I have no real reason to disbelieve him. Phagga/Hapa/Djodref, one of these would be my final pick for my party. Which one? I am currently undecided. I will figure out who I would pick and then take the town's temperature on it and see where we stand. I am confident that we can make the right choice! | ||
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On November 27 2012 17:55 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 17:49 Clarity_nl wrote: I am running for party leader Why not Dieno or Oats? The answer is simple, I am still full hp! Meaning any item or ability or whatever we might get after a mission will go to the right person! Why not Syllo? He already has an item of sorts (or so he's claimed) so it's probably best to not put him up there again. We don't know what kind of protective roles we have but so far there have only been heals and damage preventions, but not 100% damage preventions. Meaning if scum REALLY want someone dead, they can make it happen in a cycle or two. Putting both our "items" on Syllo would be irresponsible. What is my suggested party? I (Clarity) will be your brave leader. Please not that I cannot take Oats and Dieno with me, since marv died only 1 person out of the original 4 from last party can be taken, and that would be me. Syllo, Party leader Cycle one, which was successful. That in combination with his mentality he has displayed all game I am willing to say I am certain he is town. Keirathi, he was also present in the cycle one party, despite him claiming he had a "low succes modifier". This time around he's claiming he is extra useful this mission and I have no real reason to disbelieve him. Phagga/Hapa/Djodref, one of these would be my final pick for my party. Which one? I am currently undecided. I will figure out who I would pick and then take the town's temperature on it and see where we stand. I am confident that we can make the right choice! I'm not claiming I'm extra useful this mission :o I get my mission bonuses in 600AD. But none of my powers can be used unless I'm in the party. And it would be beyond dumb not to include me today anyways :p Same difference, no? | ||
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On November 27 2012 18:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I DIDNT SAY IT WAS ROLE BASED I said that maybe he will get his sword back, maybe not. The item I got was not role/flavour related in anyway. Yeah I took it more as a joke than an actual thing when you said it. | ||
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On November 27 2012 20:28 syllogism wrote: Having done that, he is pretty much "guilty" of all the things you have done, except he hasn't shown the same kind of interest in the game as you have done. He supported sandroba on day 1 and was reluctant to lynch him on day 2. He hopped on TheChronicler wagon, but did not care about Toad. A lot of useless setup speculation and questions with no clear purpose. It's pretty damning but I think for now hammering on a single point isn't actually helping, you guys don't seem to be getting anywhere anyway. If it was a regular game I wouldn't want you to stop but since we don't get that many lynches perhaps it's better to make a single comprehensive case and leave it at that or focus on other things for now and revisit this on a lynch day. | ||
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On November 27 2012 21:22 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont really read damage/heals cause they dont make that much difference. We can use the next 2 days to discuss setup though :/ I mean I will get all irritated and shit but we can. What? | ||
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On November 27 2012 23:03 iamperfection wrote: Clarity-nl I can support your cause. would you consider me at all? Ehhhh. You're a hard one to figure out for me. | ||
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On November 27 2012 23:19 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 23:16 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 27 2012 23:03 iamperfection wrote: Clarity-nl I can support your cause. would you consider me at all? Ehhhh. You're a hard one to figure out for me. Really i thought you had more info on that. Info like what? | ||
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On November 27 2012 23:21 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 23:20 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 27 2012 23:19 iamperfection wrote: On November 27 2012 23:16 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 27 2012 23:03 iamperfection wrote: Clarity-nl I can support your cause. would you consider me at all? Ehhhh. You're a hard one to figure out for me. Really i thought you had more info on that. Info like what? stuff about marv and what not I had a 1-shot HP check and used it on marv and cycle 1 he was 250. I healed him for 200 with a 1-shot cycle 2. When I used the hp check I was not expecting everyone to claim damage taken but it makes sense in hindsight. | ||
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On November 27 2012 23:26 iamperfection wrote: and i healed you this cycle Ah, that does make sense. But I didn't know about you healing marv so... | ||
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On November 27 2012 23:12 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 17:51 Clarity_nl wrote: Hapa can you confirm that you took 100 damage last cycle, and 50 this cycle, please? Confirmed. Toad claimed he hit me the first time. I'm not sure where the second bit came from. What do you think of that? | ||
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On November 27 2012 23:38 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 23:31 Clarity_nl wrote: I healed him this cycle and he didn't mention it. On November 27 2012 23:12 Hapahauli wrote: On November 27 2012 17:51 Clarity_nl wrote: Hapa can you confirm that you took 100 damage last cycle, and 50 this cycle, please? Confirmed. Toad claimed he hit me the first time. I'm not sure where the second bit came from. What do you think of that? you would have to ask him i thought your heal was 1 shot? Yeah I had a couple of 1 shots. | ||
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Hapa if you really were thankful you'd vote me! Anyway, I'll be around today but I won't be reading much filters and such, will mainly just answer questions and reply to stuff if I feel like it. This is a rest day | ||
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On November 27 2012 23:48 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 23:47 Hapahauli wrote: On November 27 2012 23:42 iamperfection wrote: which means hapa wasn't dmg cycle 1 I assure you I was. If you don't believe me, I claimed 100 damage pretty early on in the cycle and Toad mentioned he shot me as a "+EV shot" or something (before he was confirmed scum to the thread). So where's the theory here? That Toad and I are scumbuddies? That he didn't just shoot me in self-preservation after I was one of the few to press for his lynch D2? then why didn't you report my heal? Either he's lying, or it's the same with me where he gets damaged more than the heal heals, so he doesn't get notified (but the damage lowers. I find the latter more likely atm but we'll see | ||
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So hapa, I healed you for 100. So you're saying you took 150 damage and I healed you for 100 so your PM said you took 50 damage? | ||
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On November 28 2012 00:35 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2012 00:28 iamperfection wrote: On November 28 2012 00:26 Hapahauli wrote: On November 27 2012 23:48 iamperfection wrote: On November 27 2012 23:47 Hapahauli wrote: On November 27 2012 23:42 iamperfection wrote: which means hapa wasn't dmg cycle 1 I assure you I was. If you don't believe me, I claimed 100 damage pretty early on in the cycle and Toad mentioned he shot me as a "+EV shot" or something (before he was confirmed scum to the thread). So where's the theory here? That Toad and I are scumbuddies? That he didn't just shoot me in self-preservation after I was one of the few to press for his lynch D2? then why didn't you report my heal? Because I didn't receive notification of a heal >> So either a) You didn't heal me (but I don't know why you'd lie about that) b) I took more than 100 damage uh let me go check something. From my understanding you receive a notification as long as the heal does actual healing. Healing and damage prevention are different things imo. Do you know if a targeted players dies after or before damage prevention ? Do you see my point ? I already asked this, I got told that all healing/damage/damage prevention happens at the same time. So if someone at 50 hp is being damage for 50 and healed for 1 the person would live. | ||
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On November 28 2012 02:26 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2012 01:31 Acrofales wrote: Shit. You people, can't you keep your conclusions about survivors to yourselves? Seeing as the cat's pretty much out of the bag, I confirm I'm 3rd party. My wincon is to survive and do some stuff that I am not telling anybody about. I promise that the extra stuff is in town's best interest. Not saying anything more, because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me. Otherwise Drazerk's solution to playing a survivor will always work: claim D1 and go AFK (or in this case, claim D1 and help town to figure out how to fulfill the other part of my wincon, THEN go AFK). This is also immediately the reason I don't want to be on a party. I asked Greymist whether my influence counts with town or scum, or whether I could choose. He told me that I cannot choose and that he's not saying what my influence counts as. I have no way of knowing my hidden influence factor. So.. no. There is no contradiction between my not wanting to be on the party and being really surprised at Keirathi's claim. Think about it, though: scum was probably not feeling too comfortable on D3. D1 went town's way, D2 went further town's way. Why would they NOT want to take any opportunity to get on the party? Claiming not wanting to be on the party would be a ridiculously stupid move, unless you think scum is so afraid of being caught out through the party mechanic that they are going to hide all game while town figures them out and kills them one by one on the few lynch days we get? Oh, I can claim some other stuff: I have a load of one-shot abilities, but don't know what they do. Part of my suspicions of Drazerk are founded on this: he claims to be able to figure out what his abilities do before using them. I am unable and have to use them and pray. I can make an educated guess using common sense and some help from the chronopedia to figure out what is likely, but I cannot know for certain. Not giving ability names either, as they are 100% linked to my character name. On D1 I used an ability that I thought would mason me with 3 other people. Instead it did 75 damage to each of them. I hit Sandroba, Dienosore and BioSC with it. I wanted to chat with Sandroba and BioSC to figure out if they were scum or not. I wanted to chat with Dienosore about setup-related stuff that largely got resolved in the thread. I already said what I did D2. D3 I cannot reveal, as it says too much about me. This is the only one I breadcrumbed, though, so if I ever feel safe in claiming my name in full, you will be able to check it. @Hopeless1derp: I have called you an idiot too many times this game, already, but here goes again. On the offchance you are really town (which I really don't think): you're an idiot. OF COURSE you want Lavos to appear when scum is dead. Fairly certain killing Lavos with scum alive is going to be harder than killing him with scum dead. It doesn't look like there's much opportunity to kill scum, so wasting whatever abilities you have to kill scum on me is beyond ridiculous. I also have rather a lot of HP and things that I really really suspect are heals. There is 0 point to killing me and I am helping town as best I can. I have done more scumhunting than pretty much anybody except Marv. I was wrong on Sandroba, so /shrug. However, I DID find Toad. If you prefer I shut up and go afk for the rest of the game, say so. I am happy to leave you derps derping it up. This time I don't give a shit if the endgame has Kushes Fubas and Proms in it: I just need to not get killed once I have completed my other condition, which I am fairly confident I can do without your help. *cough* *cough* I'm broke. I have no more checks, I can't protect anyone else. There's a reason I didn't check hopeless against Toad. There's a reason I didn't check YOU against Toad. Clarity between the two of us that means Marv took something greater than or equal to 550 damage if I'm adding correctly? Ehm, if this was used on marv: On November 27 2012 10:55 TheChronicler wrote: I'm going to claim my last night action since it's relevant and why I feel I shouldn't be party leader, but should be on the team. 100 gold Funnel cake You target a player. Places a 100 damage shield on target player (stays on them). You take 100 damage. Night Results You used Funnel cake! You took 150 damage! And isn't a lie, then yes. Marv took 550 damage last cycle. | ||
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This makes my party identical to that of Dieno's, unfortunately, so the only thing I have to run on is the fact that iamp more than likely healed me up to full, so any item given to me will be better than having it on Dieno. If anyone disagrees with this I would love an explanation, but until such time I expect your votes. | ||
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On November 28 2012 04:58 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2012 04:56 Clarity_nl wrote: Except for the fact that we know Dieno took a boatload of damage already. Ok. My vote is on Keir, though. I realize and I would prefer that over Dieno, although obviously not over myself. I think the votes on Dieno are misguided. Like people don't want to think about it anymore, laziness | ||
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##unvote ##Vote Dieno | ||
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On November 28 2012 05:28 Acrofales wrote: Make sense already. Did you use the funnel cake on Marv? If so, why does that make you an idiot? If not, why does that make you an idiot? Neither of you seem to be talking so, why was putting a shield on marv a bad idea? I don't think it was. @ TC You... realize you didn't post anything, right? | ||
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On November 28 2012 05:45 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 28 2012 05:28 Acrofales wrote: Make sense already. Did you use the funnel cake on Marv? If so, why does that make you an idiot? If not, why does that make you an idiot? Neither of you seem to be talking so, why was putting a shield on marv a bad idea? I don't think it was. @ TC You... realize you didn't post anything, right? I meant that as far as scum was concerned my shield could have been on anybody. I forgot I hadn't said who my target was. Ehhh, but scum didn't know marv's hp. It was still a good shield target though, I'm curious was Acro is trying to say. | ||
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On November 28 2012 05:54 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2012 05:50 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 28 2012 05:45 TheChronicler wrote: On November 28 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 28 2012 05:28 Acrofales wrote: Make sense already. Did you use the funnel cake on Marv? If so, why does that make you an idiot? If not, why does that make you an idiot? Neither of you seem to be talking so, why was putting a shield on marv a bad idea? I don't think it was. @ TC You... realize you didn't post anything, right? I meant that as far as scum was concerned my shield could have been on anybody. I forgot I hadn't said who my target was. Ehhh, but scum didn't know marv's hp. It was still a good shield target though, I'm curious was Acro is trying to say. That I didn't understand what he was getting at. I think you're misunderstanding TC: he is saying that he could have left it unknown that scum had already burned through the shield. Now scum know they don't have to worry about it. If I could put 2 and 2 together I'm sure scum could as well, so I would've preferred it if he confirmed it for us. Doesn't matter much I suppose. | ||
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Use your own judgement after you get it, rather than promising us something that might hurt town next cycle. | ||
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On November 28 2012 06:07 Dienosore wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2012 06:02 TheChronicler wrote: On November 28 2012 05:53 Acrofales wrote: On November 28 2012 05:48 TheChronicler wrote: Alrighty well unless Keir comes in with something that says why he needs the reward I don't see a way for Die to get his sword repaired other than the reward. ##unvote ##vote: Dienosore In the game there's an entire questline devoted to fixing the sword. I suspect that if we wait long enough, we'll get Melchior to fix it. I don't know why the party and the sword are related. Dieno, do you get the feeling you should do something to fix it? Or just wait around til the game fixes it for you? I get that, but half the reason I was voting Keir initially was so we could get the benefit of his abilities. Also, he says he has a low modifier so I wanted to get him on the team with the confirmed people. Turns out we can't do that I hadn't taken into account that marv died when I first said that. I still think Keir should be on the team so we can get the benefit of his abilities, but I don't think he needs the reward (potentially) as much as Die does. I agree with you, Keir should be on the mission. My current proposed group is Oats/Keir/Syllo You can't bring Oats. He was on last mission same as you, and we can only take 1. I thoughts your proposed group was Syllo/Keir/TC? | ||
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On November 28 2012 06:07 Dienosore wrote: Ok, so I keep item mystery a secret. No biggie, I just thought you'd guys like to know. Ofcourse we'd like to know, but not at the cost of scum knowing as well. | ||
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On November 28 2012 06:20 TheChronicler wrote: Wait I thought you said it only took one cycle. You place it as a night action and it's a shield the next night, right? So you can use it again? I'm confused. He puts a seed on someone, it either blows up immediately because the person the seed is on gets targetted, or it takes a full cycle to turn into a shield. | ||
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Dieno I don't think prome was trying to insult you, and he has a good point about asking the thread. It's not that you shouldn't do it, but take everything with a grain of salt and try to make up your own mind before asking anyone. | ||
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On November 29 2012 01:16 iamperfection wrote: why does everybody's abilities sound overly complicated and conditional when compared to mine? Same. Well, mine are conditional but straightforward. | ||
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On November 29 2012 03:44 syllogism wrote: Clarity did you resolve as to why Hapa wasn't informed of you healing him? Couple of possibilities, will expand on this before the cycle ends for obvious reasons. | ||
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On November 29 2012 03:43 CaveJohnson wrote: Lynching toad is a wasted cycle Wasted cycle = horrific for town Even in a game as crazy as this that is still the case Killing a 99.9% scum guaranteed is bad for town? | ||
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On November 29 2012 03:47 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 03:46 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 29 2012 03:43 CaveJohnson wrote: Lynching toad is a wasted cycle Wasted cycle = horrific for town Even in a game as crazy as this that is still the case Killing a 99.9% scum guaranteed is bad for town? Through a lynch? Yes You'd rather try to co-ordinate town KP to kill him? What if scum can defend him? He's the obvious target if we all agree on killing him that way. What if he has damage mitigation, what if after 2 cycles he's still not dead, do we then lynch him or jsut keep trying? It's too risky when there's no need to be risky. Just lynch him for a 100% guaranteed scum death which will more than likely lower scum kp. | ||
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On November 29 2012 03:59 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 03:56 Clarity_nl wrote: We can scumhunt without flip info just fine. Plus if town kp is smart we might get a flip anyway. But if we direct it, the same way you would try to direct blue roles in standard mafia, it will help scum more than town. Scum won't risk protecting him with the huge likeliness of trackers / watchers in this game. Its not the safe move and they know it. Hmmm, perhaps a fair point but the only "tracking" we've seen so far was prome's seed thing, right? But that blocks everyone targeting him including town kp though. | ||
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On November 29 2012 06:27 CaveJohnson wrote: You can recruit one person a day, to a maximum of four. Anybody who joins the cult maintain their original role and alignment but may communicate with other players in the cult. You may sacrifice a cultist to give yourself an extra life at any point, but this can only be used once. The people in the cult do not know its a cult. Just an example from PTP2. Ah I see. Never seen that mechanic before. Just thought your word choice was weird. | ||
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On November 28 2012 01:25 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2012 01:18 syllogism wrote: I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies. I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out. Well both of those guys (clarity and iamp) have town reads on me, so the heals make sense from that perspective. From what I understand: Post-D1: I took 0 damage. Either iamp's claimed heal was completely wasted OR it nullified any damage directed towards me. Post-D2: I took 100 damage. No one healed me (or no one has claimed so), and Toad claimed he shot me for 100. Post-D3: I took 50 damage, and nl_clarity healed me for an undisclosed amount, indicating that I took more than 50 damage. Okay so with the information we have currently this post is false. That's not to say Hapa lied, but he's wrong. Namely the host saying this (at my request) On November 28 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote: IF you take 150 damage and are healed for 100 damage in the same night, you will be told You took 50 damage You were healed. So regardless of how much damage you take, if you get healed you get notified of the heal. This means there are a couple of possibilities: 1. Hapa is lying - This wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, regardless of alignment 2. Some ability made it so Hapa cannot be healed (either it was used both times or it is permanent/lasts a couple of cycles. (this would be a scum ability no doubt) 3. Some ability redirects abilities used on hapa to someone else (again, has to be scum or it would have been claimed by now) I think the safe thing to say is that we should not be using heals or protection on hapa anymore, but it does not make him scum as far as I can tell. If someone can see a reason why hapa would be lying about getting healed by townies, please do tell. | ||
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On November 29 2012 07:35 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 07:33 Clarity_nl wrote: Cave this is important, does your ability get used instantly or at the end of the cycle? Like, if I instantly healed you now would your ability do less damage? End of cycle sadly and I'd presume so but that would just be stupid on all levels lol. Okay, thanks. :D | ||
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On November 29 2012 07:41 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 07:40 Clarity_nl wrote: Cave will you be around after the new cycle starts? Depends if people hurt me Right, but I mean you'll be at your computer, yes? | ||
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On November 29 2012 07:44 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 07:41 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 29 2012 07:41 CaveJohnson wrote: On November 29 2012 07:40 Clarity_nl wrote: Cave will you be around after the new cycle starts? Depends if people hurt me Right, but I mean you'll be at your computer, yes? I don't know what you are trying to do but I would prefer you to save someone else if you don't mind. Confirmed townies carrying items are a priority ^^ If only the world were that simple. | ||
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On November 29 2012 07:46 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 07:44 Clarity_nl wrote: Phagga are you saying that any ability that is used on you, you can use afterwards? Phagga claiming Golem? I just had to fight that bugger in the game, he was tough. I lost. Got thrown in jail. That was my first thought. | ||
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Acro do you know what kind of influence you have on mission success rates? | ||
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On November 29 2012 09:18 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 09:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah odds are GK is scum. Acro do you know what kind of influence you have on mission success rates? read the thread. Don't ask questions you don't need to ask. I don't recall acro saying anything related to this but I guess..... fair enough By the way, "hidden lynch" is code for "cba doing votecounts" isn't it? | ||
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On November 29 2012 09:38 Dienosore wrote: Well, I'd say the result definitely confirms his 3p claim. What? No it doesn't. GK could be scum or 3p. | ||
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I have a 1-shot instant ability that returns someone to the state they were in a full cycle ago. This includes health, any status effect and any abilities they had at the time. So if I were to use it on CaveJohnson he would be able to use his 1-shot again, although seeing as toad didn't die that's probably not the best idea. So I'm crowd sourcing. I don't expect to die this cycle, so what do you guys think would be the best use of my ability? =] I look forward to hearing some responses. For example: Djo is your protection ability 1shot? Night all see you tomorrow. | ||
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That said, lynching toad is still the best course of action, but hey you never know we might get another lynch tomorrow! @ Dieno Prome and iamp are right, suck it up and keep playing. | ||
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On November 29 2012 21:54 Acrofales wrote: @everybody else. I have a question I want answered. Anybody want to own up to dealing damage to me? I really doubt it was scum: they know I'm not one of them, so have no reason to mistrust my survivor claim and that removes me from their wincon. Scum shots on me are wasted shots. That leaves town or someone who needs me dead. If it's town, just tell me, I won't be mad. Otherwise I will assume someone needs me dead and take precautions tomorrow night. I have something that sounds like it could be a paranoid gunman ability. I think it'll be fun. Want to play chicken with me, mr X? @Kita, did you take any damage? I promise I didn't shoot you. Could you explain what a paranoid gunman ability is? There's a lot of terms flying around that I'm simply not used to. By the sound of it, you damage anyone who "visits" you? | ||
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On November 29 2012 22:27 goodkarma wrote: <snip> This is why I am so disappointed... Honestly, I expected better of him by now... You know, I don't understand you making comments like this after addressing everything in his case. If his case was so terrible wouldn't everyone agree with you, and you wouldn't have to address it? Your disappointment seems forced. I don't see why you're so insistent on bringing up a case prome made on your 6 months ago in a newbie mafia game, and compare it to this case now, other than to be able to say hey look guys, these situations are similar on the surface and I was town then, so I must be town now! If you were town you would've just said: Prome your case is rather bad because XYZ and then move on. Instead you were kicking and screaming on the floor all night, and now that you've finally addressed the entirety of his case you are suddenly disappointed. | ||
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On November 29 2012 23:06 syllogism wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 06:50 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 28 2012 01:25 Hapahauli wrote: On November 28 2012 01:18 syllogism wrote: I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies. I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out. Well both of those guys (clarity and iamp) have town reads on me, so the heals make sense from that perspective. From what I understand: Post-D1: I took 0 damage. Either iamp's claimed heal was completely wasted OR it nullified any damage directed towards me. Post-D2: I took 100 damage. No one healed me (or no one has claimed so), and Toad claimed he shot me for 100. Post-D3: I took 50 damage, and nl_clarity healed me for an undisclosed amount, indicating that I took more than 50 damage. Okay so with the information we have currently this post is false. That's not to say Hapa lied, but he's wrong. Namely the host saying this (at my request) On November 28 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote: IF you take 150 damage and are healed for 100 damage in the same night, you will be told You took 50 damage You were healed. So regardless of how much damage you take, if you get healed you get notified of the heal. This means there are a couple of possibilities: 1. Hapa is lying - This wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, regardless of alignment 2. Some ability made it so Hapa cannot be healed (either it was used both times or it is permanent/lasts a couple of cycles. (this would be a scum ability no doubt) 3. Some ability redirects abilities used on hapa to someone else (again, has to be scum or it would have been claimed by now) I think the safe thing to say is that we should not be using heals or protection on hapa anymore, but it does not make him scum as far as I can tell. If someone can see a reason why hapa would be lying about getting healed by townies, please do tell. Why doesn't him lying make sense? It's entirely possible that he lied about taking damage and didn't expect anyone would ever heal him or didn't understand how the mechanic works. He wouldn't be lying about not being healed, he would be lying about taking damage. I find 2) and 3) to make much less sense than 1). Why would mafia target hapa with such abilities when there were much, much better ones available? Basically only third party makes sense, but only really if it was a completely random ability. Because regardless of if you take damage or not, you get told that you get healed. So if hapa, as scum, got healed, why would he not say it? | ||
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On November 29 2012 23:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 23:06 syllogism wrote: On November 29 2012 06:50 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 28 2012 01:25 Hapahauli wrote: On November 28 2012 01:18 syllogism wrote: I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies. I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out. Well both of those guys (clarity and iamp) have town reads on me, so the heals make sense from that perspective. From what I understand: Post-D1: I took 0 damage. Either iamp's claimed heal was completely wasted OR it nullified any damage directed towards me. Post-D2: I took 100 damage. No one healed me (or no one has claimed so), and Toad claimed he shot me for 100. Post-D3: I took 50 damage, and nl_clarity healed me for an undisclosed amount, indicating that I took more than 50 damage. Okay so with the information we have currently this post is false. That's not to say Hapa lied, but he's wrong. Namely the host saying this (at my request) On November 28 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote: IF you take 150 damage and are healed for 100 damage in the same night, you will be told You took 50 damage You were healed. So regardless of how much damage you take, if you get healed you get notified of the heal. This means there are a couple of possibilities: 1. Hapa is lying - This wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, regardless of alignment 2. Some ability made it so Hapa cannot be healed (either it was used both times or it is permanent/lasts a couple of cycles. (this would be a scum ability no doubt) 3. Some ability redirects abilities used on hapa to someone else (again, has to be scum or it would have been claimed by now) I think the safe thing to say is that we should not be using heals or protection on hapa anymore, but it does not make him scum as far as I can tell. If someone can see a reason why hapa would be lying about getting healed by townies, please do tell. Why doesn't him lying make sense? It's entirely possible that he lied about taking damage and didn't expect anyone would ever heal him or didn't understand how the mechanic works. He wouldn't be lying about not being healed, he would be lying about taking damage. I find 2) and 3) to make much less sense than 1). Why would mafia target hapa with such abilities when there were much, much better ones available? Basically only third party makes sense, but only really if it was a completely random ability. Because regardless of if you take damage or not, you get told that you get healed. So if hapa, as scum, got healed, why would he not say it? Oh, because he didn't take the damage. I'll have to rethink this. Thanks for bringing that up syllo | ||
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On November 29 2012 23:16 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 23:11 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 29 2012 23:06 syllogism wrote: On November 29 2012 06:50 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 28 2012 01:25 Hapahauli wrote: On November 28 2012 01:18 syllogism wrote: I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies. I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out. Well both of those guys (clarity and iamp) have town reads on me, so the heals make sense from that perspective. From what I understand: Post-D1: I took 0 damage. Either iamp's claimed heal was completely wasted OR it nullified any damage directed towards me. Post-D2: I took 100 damage. No one healed me (or no one has claimed so), and Toad claimed he shot me for 100. Post-D3: I took 50 damage, and nl_clarity healed me for an undisclosed amount, indicating that I took more than 50 damage. Okay so with the information we have currently this post is false. That's not to say Hapa lied, but he's wrong. Namely the host saying this (at my request) On November 28 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote: IF you take 150 damage and are healed for 100 damage in the same night, you will be told You took 50 damage You were healed. So regardless of how much damage you take, if you get healed you get notified of the heal. This means there are a couple of possibilities: 1. Hapa is lying - This wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, regardless of alignment 2. Some ability made it so Hapa cannot be healed (either it was used both times or it is permanent/lasts a couple of cycles. (this would be a scum ability no doubt) 3. Some ability redirects abilities used on hapa to someone else (again, has to be scum or it would have been claimed by now) I think the safe thing to say is that we should not be using heals or protection on hapa anymore, but it does not make him scum as far as I can tell. If someone can see a reason why hapa would be lying about getting healed by townies, please do tell. Why doesn't him lying make sense? It's entirely possible that he lied about taking damage and didn't expect anyone would ever heal him or didn't understand how the mechanic works. He wouldn't be lying about not being healed, he would be lying about taking damage. I find 2) and 3) to make much less sense than 1). Why would mafia target hapa with such abilities when there were much, much better ones available? Basically only third party makes sense, but only really if it was a completely random ability. Because regardless of if you take damage or not, you get told that you get healed. So if hapa, as scum, got healed, why would he not say it? Thats not what i was told. I thought the heal had to do actual healing. Yeah, please add "as long as he's not full hp" at the end of my sentence. | ||
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On November 29 2012 23:20 iamperfection wrote: i thought he said he didn't take damage day 1? Right but he said he took damage day 2 and I healed him day 3 | ||
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1) He is full hp, meaning he lied about taking damage 2) He really didn't get healed, meaning it somehow got redirected or blocked without notification. | ||
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Okay so: ##Lynch Toaddesstern ##Party Leader: Clarity | ||
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On November 30 2012 00:11 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2012 00:11 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm not sure because we need to think about who might die this cycle. If it was guaranteed that the following people would survive it would be: Dieno Oats Djodref bro come on Like I said, that probably won't be it because there is the risk of one of those three dying. I think I have good reasons to not tell everyone what my party selection will be until next cycle. I just need to think things through first and I will make a more detailed post later today. | ||
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On November 30 2012 00:27 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2012 00:19 iamperfection wrote: what time period would we be in next jump? If this is the bit where Lavos crashes and leaves us with a time gate, the next step is Antiquity. However, we have skipped quite a bit of the game (the whole fight with Magus). We might skip antiquity and go straight to the future to get us a time machine. This would make sense given that the OP states the town gets to choose what time to travel to at some point. | ||
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On November 30 2012 01:26 Acrofales wrote: Also all the party speculation: why not pick the exact same party of D1? It's a confirmed success. ##Lynch: Toadesstern ##Party Leader: Keirathi Well, perhaps with a different party leader, but it depends on when the party leader has to decide who the party is. | ||
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On November 30 2012 02:05 Promethelax wrote: when does the party leader submit his party? On November 30 2012 01:58 GreYMisT wrote: It was brought to my attention that once again I am forgetful Today You also have the pleasure of voting for tomorrows party leader. There will be a special event tomorrow with 2 stages of in thread voting, thus the party leader and his party must be selected today! This cycle. | ||
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On November 30 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote: Acro wants to kill me over confirmed scum. I see, you claimed to be pro-town third party right? No, he wants you as a secondary lynch in case toad gets pardoned. Read the thread. | ||
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Even that might be false however since I believe Prom(?) claimed he dealt 50 damage to you and you lived. There is definitely merit in discussing the rollback but it's hard to believe the things you say after your hp claim is now in question. | ||
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I'll go read up on TC right now. | ||
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Is there any way you can tell us what your 1-shot is? Also note that the heal you received will not have happened, you will take damage equal to the heal. | ||
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On November 30 2012 02:59 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, TC. You mentioned you used your 1 shot last cycle but it didn't do anything because you weren't on the party. Is there any way you can tell us what your 1-shot is? Also note that the heal you received will not have happened, you will take damage equal to the heal. Wait the rollback wouldn't act as a protection? The rollback is a rollback. The way you were 48 hours ago (1 full cycle). So the hp you had, the abilities you had, the items etc you had. So any heal that happened in the last 48 hours will be reversed. | ||
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On November 30 2012 03:07 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2012 03:00 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 30 2012 02:59 TheChronicler wrote: On November 30 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, TC. You mentioned you used your 1 shot last cycle but it didn't do anything because you weren't on the party. Is there any way you can tell us what your 1-shot is? Also note that the heal you received will not have happened, you will take damage equal to the heal. Wait the rollback wouldn't act as a protection? The rollback is a rollback. The way you were 48 hours ago (1 full cycle). So the hp you had, the abilities you had, the items etc you had. So any heal that happened in the last 48 hours will be reversed. I think it's worth it. And you can't tell me about your 1 shot ability without risking something? | ||
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On November 30 2012 03:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Unless Dino is lying about taking damage, then Djo's claim of protection was bogus, right? Also that post is going to have to wait. I didn't have the time I thought I'd have to put it together, and I have to go to work. It's still open though so I can finish it up tonight after work. Not really, we don't know what kind of protection. But the cycle post claims Dieno was saved from death by someone, I see no reason to disbelieve it was Djo. In my eyes this makes him town, I don't think scum would waste such an ability to get djo to look townie. That is even before I look at djo's play and believe he is town. | ||
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Dienosaur: Yes he's low hp but he's still a possibility especially if I am to believe the healing ability VE has, I also expect iamp to heal him this cycle. Oatsmaster: Extremely likely town, I see no way for him to be scum under any circumstance. TheChronicler: He asked for a rollback since he has a 1shot that he says "greatly benefits town". I believe he is town so I believe him when he says this and am strongly considering doing this. The huge danger of course being that when/if I use my ability I have to anounce it in the thread, and scum will know he is coming on the party, so I ask that if this happens, protective roles act accordingly. Djodref: The only possibility for djo being scum is that he had a protective ability like he claimed (which does not seem like a scum ability) and used it on Dieno for town credit. I simply do not see this, and his behavior so far makes him near confirmed town in my book. Keirathi: Acro was talking about his "Funky HSM" but if I remember correctly this was only the case in 600 AD. Keir will have to correct me on this if I'm wrong. He also claimed to have abilities available if he is in the party. Syllogism: My town read on him was stronger a couple of cycles ago, with my major irk being that he didn't want to run for election because "he didn't want to send the party pm", but otherwise he is still town and ofcourse was on the succesful cycle 1 mission. iamperfection: He's town. Not much more to say, he's quite clearly town. Adam4167: I had my doubts but after doing some meta reading and listing to others I'm convinced Adam is in fact town, and seeing as he has not been a target nor has claimed any damage I imagine he is max hp. Lots to pick from then, which is a good thing. If anyone has any problems with anyone on this list please let me know. =] | ||
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I feel bad for greymist I've been spamming him up all game. | ||
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On November 30 2012 05:26 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2012 05:19 Clarity_nl wrote: Keirathi: Acro was talking about his "Funky HSM" but if I remember correctly this was only the case in 600 AD. Keir will have to correct me on this if I'm wrong. He also claimed to have abilities available if he is in the party. Incorrect. My HSM deal doesn't have anything to do with the time period. I get bonus abilities if I'm in the party during my own era (600 AD), or if I'm elected party leader. Alright. I think as long as there are no scum or 3p the party will still succeed, but I will keep this in mind. | ||
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On November 30 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote: <snip> GoodKarma (Slightly Town) While his early-game play was lacking (and pretty "scummy"), his recent defense is more than I'd ever expect from scum-GK. He's been incredibly forthcoming with his replies, and has been replying on very short time-stamps. When compared to the other scum-games I've seen out of him, it's very markedly different. In Newbie XXIII, he makes under ~10 posts on Day 1, and when a strong last-minute bandwagon forms on him, he is too scared to reply to the thread and gets himself lynched. In Mafia LVII, he makes a couple of longer posts with suspect logic, then peaces out from the thread for a couple of hours before making his next substantial reply. I have a hard time believing that GK could have transformed his scum-play so drastically in such a short time. He's being much more brave and forthcoming than anything I've seen in his scum-meta. Sure it's possible that he stepped-up his game and I won't discount that. However, he's showing no "guilt" or hesitation in his replies, and I believe they are coming from a townie (or atleast a non-mafia) GK. <snip> Hapa, you say you found GK scummy on day 1, but when you came in late for the election you proposed him in your party, why? + Show Spoiler + On November 23 2012 03:38 Hapahauli wrote: Fuck it, I'm running for party leader. After sitting down and looking at Syllo and Sandrob, I'm just not very happy with how things are going. They were two players who pushed to be leaders early on, then we as a town today really sheeped on to them as opposed to truly thinking things through. I'm guilty of that myself. Even if I don't convince you to vote for me, I hope whoever is running considers some of the town-candidates I put forth in this post. Why I oppose Syllogism Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 00:18 syllogism wrote: I can't explain it better than I have. It doesn't feel like he cares about figuring things out and there is no sense of urgency despite him being one of the most likely people to be elected. He has made no attempts at figuring out who mafia is and it seems to me he is hiding behind the fact he doesn't have to. There is being lazy and then there is just not caring. My other reasons rely on my knowledge of how he thinks and some of the things he has said feel off; can't elaborate more on that. Yes, I might gain more votes by making my reads public. I would also gain more reads by pretending to be completely confident in my reads; I'm not. I have not finalized my team yet (right now I've 2 whom I'm likely to take and a few possibilities for the third) and may not finalize it until the end. An honest assessment as to why I'm not going to is a combination of considering it optimal play (if I get the votes), being lazy and because sometimes my town reads rely on things other players may find flimsy or the reasons are otherwise difficult to explain (tone, whether the person feels earnest). If I were mafia, there would be absolutely no reason not to make the list of people I intend to pick public. I really object to the rationale in this post after thinking it over. Syllogism pitches non-disclosure of his team as "optimal play" which is garbage logic. We, as a town, gain so much less information from the voting process if we all sheep onto Syllo. He's suggesting that disclosing his reads would somehow be "less-optimal", and I can't for the life of me figure out why. In addition, as mafia, he would have plenty of incentive not to disclose his "list" - mafia don't want to provide analysis if they don't have to. Syllo's entire platform is "trust me," and I'm not willing to put D1 in the hands of such a player. Why oppose Sandrob http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=71#1413 I agree with a lot of what nl_Clarity said in this post. Sandrob campaigned really early and earnestly for his position, and then has all but disappeared from the thread. Sandrob hasn't contributed anything resembling a read, and this is not someone I want to be party leader D1. Why I oppose Kita Absolute joke campaign. My Proposed Party: nl_clarity Clarity has been one of the most engaged players in the game so far. He seems to truly care about what is happening and has the activity/content to back it up. This is the opposite of his scum-play in Newbie XXX (where he was far more distant in the early day), and I consider him strongly town. GoodKarma I really like the content he's posted so far, and I think it's far enough of a departure from what I've seen him to as scum to trust him. As scum he tries to blend in a lot more (Mafia LVII, Newbie XXIII), and him campaigning for party leader is the polar opposite of this. Dienosore He seemed to have claimed here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=51#1017 I have no reason to disbelieve him at this point, and he would need to have coconut-sized balls as a hypothetical scum playing his first game. Others I have considered Keirathi - I still consider him town, but I have stronger reads on the above three players iamperfection - someone who seems to be town based on my meta read on him. However, I ultimately decided against this since I feel he's capable of faking his meta in the early days. What's more telling about his allignment is if he can keep up his antics. | ||
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On November 30 2012 06:40 syllogism wrote: Hapa: that post reads like it was written out of obligation rather than out of genuine interest. Anyway, hope you realize you are never going to be included in the party until a role that explains why you didn't receive a PM about the heal flips. Clarity: did you get an answer regarding full hp healing yet? I didn't consider the possibility of him lying about him taking damage for some stupid reason, but yes it seems likely, since when someone is full hp they do not receive a pm saying "you are healed" | ||
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On November 30 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2012 07:04 Clarity_nl wrote: You have no reason to lie if you actually got healed. But if you are scum you have reason to lie about taking damage. And if you did not take damage you would not get notified about heals, does that make sense? why would scum lie about taking damage Because if you're hapa you're expected to take damage if you're town. If it's 5 cycles in and no one has hit hapa that would look suspicious, no? | ||
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On November 30 2012 07:28 Hapahauli wrote: Clarity. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=251#5017 Read. Reply. That took me way too long to type to put up with this shit. Put up with what? I'm merely stating possibilities, why suddenly so aggressive? I've read your case and it makes sense and I agree that he's been in the background, I've yet to gone over his filter myself so I won't draw conclusions. | ||
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Why are you mad that Keir just said he is leaning scum on you, like seriously. Someone calls you scum in the game of mafia and your response is "fuck you"? | ||
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I think there is a reasonable chance that you lied about being healed, there's also a reasonable chance there was a position swap mechanic or something along those lines. It is however, not a ridiculous line of reasoning. | ||
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@ Hapa It's late, and I don't want to go through phagga's filter. Setup speculation is easy, and in a themed game it is also useful to an extent. You wanna be pissed go right ahead but it's not helping anyone. THINGS happened and you are at the shitty end of it at the moment, just keep doing what you're doing because no one is going to lynch you on this alone. I do however plan on reading phagga's and your filter tomorrow and try to get to some conclusions. Even Keir's "leaning scum" wasn't solely off of the setup stuff, so take a breath. | ||
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On November 30 2012 09:04 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2012 09:03 Clarity_nl wrote: You scared me there iamp, thought I was pulling a Dieno. @ Hapa It's late, and I don't want to go through phagga's filter. Setup speculation is easy, and in a themed game it is also useful to an extent. You wanna be pissed go right ahead but it's not helping anyone. THINGS happened and you are at the shitty end of it at the moment, just keep doing what you're doing because no one is going to lynch you on this alone. I do however plan on reading phagga's and your filter tomorrow and try to get to some conclusions. Even Keir's "leaning scum" wasn't solely off of the setup stuff, so take a breath. maybe you should send actions in now you can always change it What, just in case I get trapped down a hole for 24 hours? Ye of little faith | ||
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On November 30 2012 21:24 Oatsmaster wrote: wait what? Show nested quote + On November 30 2012 02:59 goodkarma wrote: ##Lynch: Goodkarma ##Party Leader: Keirathi It's a backup vote incase of any ability shenanigans that might happen during a hidden lynch. | ||
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On November 30 2012 22:56 Djodref wrote: @Clarity Some comments on my proposition ? I don't see how commenting will help anyone. If I have questions I'll ask them though. | ||
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##Unvote ##Lynch phagga ##Party Leader Clarity | ||
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On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous. ##Unvote ##Lynch phagga ##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. | ||
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On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous. ##Unvote ##Lynch phagga ##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. | ||
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On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous. ##Unvote ##Lynch phagga ##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? | ||
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On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous. ##Unvote ##Lynch phagga ##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread. I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads. I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring. | ||
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On December 01 2012 05:44 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 05:39 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous. ##Unvote ##Lynch phagga ##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread. I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads. I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring. Promethelax and VE have extensive cases and GK has responded to both. Have you read and considered them? I'm not asking you to listen to my argument, I'm asking why you want to do what you're doing. If you lack the conviction to stand behind your read, why bother swapping off Toad? Wait, I lack conviction now? I've read all the cases, I read both their filters, I came to the conclusion that phagga is scummier than gk right now. Could I be wrong? Sure. But he's my strongest read after Toad. That's why I'm voting for him. I don't really see what you're getting at. | ||
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But by the time cycle 3 happened, how could scum try to inject themselves into running when the three people actually being voted on were Dieno, Oats and yourself. Scum wants to appear rather townie and I don't think hapa has done a good job of that, which shows by the fact that no one has considered taking him on a party. The closest he has gotten has been the day 1 election, but ever since he has not tried hard. I think my main point for hapa being town was the way he responded when he got told his case seemed "like he felt forced to contribute", he basically admitted that he did, which seems very townie to me. Anyway, I don't mean to be soft defending hapa, he is definitely not close to confirmed town or anything like that, but I think arriving at him due to process of elimination is the wrong way to go about it due to the themed setup requiring us to make assumptions. On December 01 2012 05:58 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 05:48 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:44 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:39 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote: On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote: [quote] Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread. I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads. I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring. Promethelax and VE have extensive cases and GK has responded to both. Have you read and considered them? I'm not asking you to listen to my argument, I'm asking why you want to do what you're doing. If you lack the conviction to stand behind your read, why bother swapping off Toad? Wait, I lack conviction now? I've read all the cases, I read both their filters, I came to the conclusion that phagga is scummier than gk right now. Could I be wrong? Sure. But he's my strongest read after Toad. That's why I'm voting for him. I don't really see what you're getting at. At best, Hapa is the reason you've swapped a long-standing town read on phagga and you've offered little to no reasoning for it. I don't care that it's hypocritical of me, if people didn't think you were semi-confirmed town, you would never be able to pull this off. Regardless of alignment, everyone changes their reads. I don't care what I should or shouldn't "get away with" and I find this line of thinking really weird from you. The only time I really said I felt phagga was town was cycle 1, when I wanted him instead of GK on hapa's party. Phagga is currently my top scumread (after toad) because I was convinced by the cases made against him, which made me go and read his filter. You find that weird? | ||
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The way you said it seemed liked "No, my thing isn't an assumption, yours is! Because mine is more likely" In your line of thinking, the first two cycles are pretty damning for hapa (due to process of elimination, there has to be a scum "out there") but how do you feel about his play for the last week? He's not even suggesting he should be on the party. | ||
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On December 01 2012 06:52 syllogism wrote: Perhaps they shot me day 2 and your protection stopped the damage or they just assumed that I would be protected every cycle. Either way I agree that mafia KP usage has been terrible based on what we know. Does not seem likely unless you think scum blew through a bunch of 1-shot abilities cycle 3 to kill marv. More likely is they "saved" their cycle 2 kp and used it cycle 3. | ||
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On December 01 2012 07:27 syllogism wrote: Has the party been submitted Yes yes | ||
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On December 01 2012 07:30 Keirathi wrote: Something else, though: would GreyMisT have made sandro, Toad, AND syllo scum, with Acro 3p? That would be a pretty stacked non-town. It's possible, since the game hasn't really relied on lynching very much, and scum is inherently at a disadvantage when the game revolves around town reads, but I'm not sure that its likely. May I ask, since you've hosted games. You use an rng of some kind I presume, do you ever get a roll where you go "no that's stupid" and re-roll? | ||
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On December 01 2012 07:39 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 06:47 Clarity_nl wrote: His anger makes much more sense if he is scum who "got caught" by mechanics, that might be why it felt genuine. Yes. Being scum is the only possible way I could be angry about this. I'm not just a really fucking frustrated townie. That's inconceivable. Because that is exactly what I said, and you understood me 100% correctly. | ||
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On December 01 2012 07:51 Acrofales wrote: 10 minutes to the deadline. Get your votes and actions in if they aren't yet. Clarity, you better have that party submitted. No one has faith in me I swear. | ||
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On December 01 2012 09:08 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 09:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Further information redacted from Toad's role pm is interesting It was probably the QT link and team members. Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 09:06 CaveJohnson wrote: Why would scum ever summon lavos early... Because scum's goal is to kill ALL townies, and it doesn't appear to matter how many scum are alive at that point. Presumably, Lavos would assist with that. Eh, Sand didn't have it. Maybe info about lavos. I guess speculating on it is useless. 1000 hp btw so fu cave. Oats did you get healed? | ||
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On December 01 2012 09:14 iamperfection wrote: anybody have a clue what the best course of action is here. im gonna guess it has to do with the hidden success modfiers? I have no idea, but since I am full hp I suggest everyone to vote me to attack first. | ||
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On December 01 2012 09:18 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 09:15 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 09:14 iamperfection wrote: anybody have a clue what the best course of action is here. im gonna guess it has to do with the hidden success modfiers? I have no idea, but since I am full hp I suggest everyone to vote me to attack first. i never told you how much my heal does I am assuming it did more than the 70(?) that I took, even if it didn't I am close enough to full hp. | ||
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On December 01 2012 09:20 Adam4167 wrote: I took 50 damage last night. Anyone with some chrono-trigger knowledge have any idea which way we should go with the Slash battle? What is a triple tech attack, for example. Chrono battle system isn't turn based. Each character has a cooldown between actions, double/triple tech attacks would be an attack by multiple people who are not on cooldown, it also costs mana points. | ||
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On December 01 2012 09:25 kitaman27 wrote: Possible relevant information: Slash has multiple forms. After you defeat Slash's weaker form, he grabs the sword off the wall, which can target everyone. The first flea is fake. He drains all the mp of the first person to kill him. Ah yes I forgot about that. Maybe me attacking isn't such a good idea as my abilities are quite valuable, and I assume "mp drain" is ability removal in this game. | ||
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The situation with your cycle pms is regrettable hapa. I don't think there's much more to say about that. I guess it would be an easier pill to swallow had you asked the hosts to confirm your cycle 3 pm much much earlier. I don't think the issue needs any more discussion though. Oats I really would like to know if you got healed. If you did not please pm greymist to confirm your pm is accurate. | ||
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On December 01 2012 10:19 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 10:12 iamperfection wrote: djo your at full health as well so if you think you should attack first for some reason speak up I could attack first because I don't have anymore ability. So I'm not afraid of them being disabled. I also think that I'm at full health. The only reason I could think for not sending me first is that my attack is more likely to be weak, given my role. Flavor wise I am probably weaker when it comes to physical attacks. | ||
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On December 01 2012 10:27 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 10:20 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 01 2012 10:19 Djodref wrote: On December 01 2012 10:12 iamperfection wrote: djo your at full health as well so if you think you should attack first for some reason speak up I could attack first because I don't have anymore ability. So I'm not afraid of them being disabled. I also think that I'm at full health. The only reason I could think for not sending me first is that my attack is more likely to be weak, given my role. Flavor wise I am probably weaker when it comes to physical attacks. Ok, we'll save this for the end game then But I bet I'm weaker than you ^^ You're on | ||
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I want to make it clear however that damage received during night actions is different than damage received from events. | ||
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On December 01 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote: Oats I really would like to know if you got healed. If you did not please pm greymist to confirm your pm is accurate. Still waiting, Oats. On December 01 2012 20:06 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 15:21 TheChronicler wrote: Confirming that I didn't get a pm. Gnight. Funky shit. This means the healing notification mechanics may be different than we thought. I find it very hard to believe VE OR TC would be dumb enough to lie about healing at this point. Either that, or there is some kind of action redirector that is severely screwing with our minds. However, if it is targeted I can think of no sane reason to use that on Hapa and TC rather than high profile players who you'd expect to get healed (Syllo, Marv, Dino). Healing works as described. As long as you're not at full health and you get healed, you get notified (barring host error), even if you take damage. So either the heal didn't go through or TC is full hp. An action redirector is not out of the question but after 5 completed cycles you'd think we would have more inconsistencies than we have now. | ||
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On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote: On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote: On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote: On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote: On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote: On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote: On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nuke You have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. Or is that supposed to not be analysis? | ||
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On December 01 2012 23:30 Acrofales wrote: Oats, is there any chance you were at full health? You claimed 250 damage the day before. Was that healed already? Clarity, you mentioned your heal on Marv was conditional. Is this the same kind of deal? What does this tell you about Oats? Also, you said you were out of heals... Yeah I lied. Oats should have gotten healed if he took damage the cycle before. | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:39 Dienosore wrote: I've been slackin on the maps lately. Do you guys find them useful? I can keep doing them if you want. I want to be completely honest. Although they might help you out (and I understand why) to me they've been more of a "giggle on move on". You should totally make them for yourself if they help you but sharing them is like saying you enjoyed your spaghetti so you want to share it by throwing it up onto a plate and presenting it. | ||
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On December 02 2012 09:25 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2012 09:24 Clarity_nl wrote: we'll lose hp. I doubt we can grind for levels or loot so falling down a hole can only be bad. they didnt look like they were losing hp to me Yeah because the youtube vid skipped the battles. | ||
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I agree with Acro's choices and reasoning behind them. ##Ozzie B ##Magus A | ||
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On December 02 2012 11:03 goodkarma wrote: Doing a little research, Magus hits like a truck a little while after the preparing a spell message, so healing everyone up makes sense. As for pathing, taking the route without pits makes sense. Although, I suppose you could argue if a particular route had a pit containing a treasure chest that could be nice... The reason people are sheeping is because his proposed actions are sensible... This, regardless of alignment his choices and reasoning makes sense. I'm not sheeping acro I'm sheeping his argument. | ||
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Seriously just because we agree with someone does not mean we didn't think about it ourselves. | ||
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On December 02 2012 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote: lol k cool. Also GK, how do you propose SnB check anyone? As far as I know, his only ability is a 250 damage nuke/ factional kp Read the thread, people were discussing it for a couple of pages. | ||
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On December 02 2012 21:04 syllogism wrote: Cliff notes version: Djodref is mafia Eh, I think it's town djo being overzealous, he does that. The protection would also seem like a weird ability for scum. I heard no objections from anyone when I gave him a townread and when he said him and Dieno should be on the party. | ||
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On December 02 2012 21:17 syllogism wrote: Prom why did Clarity take damage despite the seed shield? I think the most logical answer is that the damage shown includes the 100 damage done to the shield. | ||
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On December 02 2012 21:20 syllogism wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2012 21:18 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 02 2012 21:04 syllogism wrote: Cliff notes version: Djodref is mafia Eh, I think it's town djo being overzealous, he does that. The protection would also seem like a weird ability for scum. I heard no objections from anyone when I gave him a townread and when he said him and Dieno should be on the party. I've been thinking about the setup and mafia must have either healing or protection roles, otherwise it's too easy for confirmed townies to get out of control. It's also weird that Dieno was hit for the second time even though Djodref claimed that he would keep him alive again. Also, why isn't mafia attempting to get rid of Djodref? I understand that, but a "saved from death" every night? I think the way djo's ability works (although he hasn't said it) is that it prevents him from taking lethal damage, not damage in general. What do you mean by "second time"? I believe the damage he took was because of failing the mission because of the random party (and the last damage that killed him was mission based). Damage based on missions is not from night actions, it happens before and cannot be prevented. | ||
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On December 02 2012 21:22 syllogism wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2012 21:19 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 02 2012 21:17 syllogism wrote: Prom why did Clarity take damage despite the seed shield? I think the most logical answer is that the damage shown includes the 100 damage done to the shield. Is it? But Djodref claims taking only 100 and he also "forgot" to claim it initially. Doesn't that seem a lot of damage anyway from an event? I took 200 from the event. | ||
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On December 02 2012 21:19 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2012 21:17 syllogism wrote: Prom why did Clarity take damage despite the seed shield? I think the most logical answer is that the damage shown includes the 100 damage done to the shield. So if I'm 400 hp (pulled out of my ass) and have a 200 hp shield, and take 125 damage, I get the notification that I took 125 damage. | ||
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On December 03 2012 00:34 syllogism wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2012 00:16 iamperfection wrote: Also I have been trying to get on team does that make me scum sylo? You haven't made nonsensical excuses as to why you should be included and haven't played down other potential candidates for reasons that also apply to yourself. Djo's reasoning makes sense to me. He felt he was a target and being on the party made it more likely he would be protected, you disagree? | ||
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On December 03 2012 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Just saying, I didnt get a heal the whole game also syllo, you should totes claim so you can get the benefit of the 250 visible damage and the 300 invisible raise on your hp You should have been healed last resolution period and I'm still not sure why you weren't, some kind of disruptive ability seems likely. | ||
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On December 03 2012 03:07 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2012 02:48 Clarity_nl wrote: I think it's safe to say if oats djo and myself all live through this cycle and we fail the mission djo is to blame, but if we don't fail the mission he is confirmed town. How do you know that the failure isn't just due to Dieno dying and has no bearing on Djo's alignment? I don't know. But if we fail with the three of us alive I will find it hard to believe that it's because there are only 3 townies instead of 4. | ||
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On December 03 2012 06:15 kitaman27 wrote: S&B's role description sounds like the standard, "punish the town for roleclaiming" role that needs to be in this game based on the fact that roleclaims are so powerful in this setup. Agreed, I see no upside for town. I doubt greymist expected the entire town to mass heal a single person as snb pumps up their hp. More likely is that he has a 250 damage nuke that only works on people who claimed their role name. | ||
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On December 03 2012 06:33 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2012 06:28 austinmcc wrote: SnB Leaning scum. Mainly based on the roleclaim, because ... that's the thing I most have to work with. Forget the rolenaming. Forget his other stupid ability that he claimed. He says: My main ability is Secrets of the Nu, which is the 250 damage/+300 max hp ability (1) SnB says he never asked Grey how this works. Other people seem to be expressing concern that he equated +max HP with "heal" without checking with Grey. Yes, that's questionable. But beyond that...SnB isn't an idiot. If that were actually SnB's ability, he would absolutely have to check with Grey, because...it frigging does 250 damage. The way it's phrased, you can't tell how the parts resolve. Does it do 250 damage to someone, and then, if they're alive, heal them/raise hp? EVEN IF SnB thought +max hp = heal, he has to ask whether he can accidentally kill someone before raising their hp. That's...crazy important. I can believe that he interpreted +max HP to be heal, but I can't believe he wouldn't ask whether both happen at once or whether he basically CPR docs someone if they're under 250 hp. (2) The wording. Grey likes flavor. Grey likes...complex roles that punish gaming the setup (roleclaims, ability claims, whatever). But Grey doesn't create stupid roles. The text of that ability just makes no sense, see (1). If it heals, it should just say "Raise targets max hp 300, heal them for 50." Ta da. It's simple. You can't misinterpret it. Your doc can't kill someone now. Gut feeling, I don't think Grey would create a role that mixed damage/possible heal for no good reason. It's much more likely that SnB has a similar ability, now has to try and find a logical fakeclaim, and so the wording comes out really garbled. Out of his filter...I don't get too much. But he's only been vocal about a couple topics. His posts are generally pretty small, but perk up on three/four topics. The party election D1 Hapahauli (Maybe toad) Phagga There's one big toad post where he votes toad, although from the looks of it toad was caught by a check. So...scumSnB would have had to do that. But he perks up towards the end of the vote D1, and we know that at least one candidate, Sandroba, was scum. So on two of the topics he's been...more wordy about, scum has been involved. I dunno about ALL of SnB's longer posts being about scum, but I could see Hapa or Phagga being scum just based on the way SnB has posted less when scum wasn't concerned. Maybe one a mislynch candidate, one a scumbuddy? I'll give them a look. i already said that i clarified my ability with greymist, it raises someone's max health but does damage to their current health, and raising max health doesn't change current health. Yeah, in cycle 6 you asked, after prompting by others. | ||
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On December 03 2012 07:12 TheChronicler wrote: What's to post about? I didn't get rolled back. You made a pretty bad argument for it and the day after (the day I would have rolled you back) you never showed up. | ||
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You can tell me you wanted to get rolled back. You can't tell me both, that's just absurd. | ||
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On November 30 2012 03:07 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2012 03:00 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 30 2012 02:59 TheChronicler wrote: On November 30 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, TC. You mentioned you used your 1 shot last cycle but it didn't do anything because you weren't on the party. Is there any way you can tell us what your 1-shot is? Also note that the heal you received will not have happened, you will take damage equal to the heal. Wait the rollback wouldn't act as a protection? The rollback is a rollback. The way you were 48 hours ago (1 full cycle). So the hp you had, the abilities you had, the items etc you had. So any heal that happened in the last 48 hours will be reversed. I think it's worth it. Ya, real convincing. | ||
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On December 03 2012 07:29 TheChronicler wrote: Claim and get shot, or say it's good. Either way you have to trust me on it. One way gets me shot, one doesn't. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Yeah because me rolling you back won't get you shot either way. Did you even listen when I said I have to announce when I use it? | ||
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On December 03 2012 07:33 TheChronicler wrote: How about you announce it right before deadline? Nah, that would be smart. Yeah, only you'd have to send in your night action after I roll you back AND YOU WERENT ANYWHERE TO BE FUCKING FOUND | ||
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On December 03 2012 09:20 phagga wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2012 09:19 CaveJohnson wrote: If we go to the end of time we can learn magic. However he did flip scum so it might not happen but it is our best bet to get additional powers. Uh, what are you talking about exaclty? I can't follow you. In the game, you learn magic when you travel to the End Of Time. | ||
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On December 03 2012 09:34 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2012 09:19 GreYMisT wrote: On December 03 2012 09:19 Acrofales wrote: Can we know whether Djodreff's death was caused by the event, or by scum shooting him subsequently? You may not Okay, going forward there are two options: 1. Our choices caused Djodreff to take damage > his hitpoints. He died. This caused the event to fail. 2. Djodreff did not die during the event, but it failed anyway. Djodreff then took damage (either from the event failing or because someone shot him) and died. The latter possibility would make winning events a lot harder than we suspected. We have to take extra care to take high HP people on missions like this one. No, events happen BEFORE night actions. | ||
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On December 03 2012 09:35 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2012 09:35 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 03 2012 09:34 Acrofales wrote: On December 03 2012 09:19 GreYMisT wrote: On December 03 2012 09:19 Acrofales wrote: Can we know whether Djodreff's death was caused by the event, or by scum shooting him subsequently? You may not Okay, going forward there are two options: 1. Our choices caused Djodreff to take damage > his hitpoints. He died. This caused the event to fail. 2. Djodreff did not die during the event, but it failed anyway. Djodreff then took damage (either from the event failing or because someone shot him) and died. The latter possibility would make winning events a lot harder than we suspected. We have to take extra care to take high HP people on missions like this one. No, events happen BEFORE night actions. Read, think, THEN answer. Yeah okay I kind of jumped the gun there, sorry. Probably bed time, cya'll tomorrow. Really feeling a snb lynch but I'll wait to gather my thoughts tomorrow. | ||
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My only issue is this ability is stronger than just a heal, it can roll back people to where they have a 1shot ability that they already used again. But 375 hp is a lot and it would make you available for the part again whenever that is. It seems everyone burnt through their 1-shots anyway. | ||
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##Lynch strongandbig ##Epoch End of Time Syllo's track is pretty damning. | ||
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On December 03 2012 21:26 syllogism wrote: We should take epoch to an era that benefits our healers most Like I said I don't have an era specified but if I did it would be EoT, I dunno about iamp and if he suggests somewhere else I'll follow his lead. | ||
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On December 03 2012 21:39 Promethelax wrote: I was thinking about going to 1999, we have as many members of town as we'll ever have. Right? And while fighting Lavos is probably a quest event I don't see why we should necessarily wait as long as possible to complete that quest; it seems pretty possible that we will have more power now than cycle 12 since we will have been able to shoot each other, omgus each other and whatnot. I think we need to decide now to try to win by eliminating scum or Lavos and either go to 1999 now or not until cycle 12. Thoughts? We can't, it's not listed in the greymist post. | ||
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I hereby claim the best (or at least coolest) ability in the game as a glorified heal. | ||
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On December 03 2012 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Iamp, think. You have 1 ability only? Also Prome, how does claiming ability names do anything? ..... | ||
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It's still possible hapa is scum for sure, but you should go about it differently. | ||
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On December 04 2012 00:27 iamperfection wrote: you are acting very weird prom. When hapa brought up points that pointed to his defense you shout scum. When points are brought up that point to him being scum you defend him. I think it's not weird at all. When he makes points he believe them, when others make points he is critical. Seems normal to me | ||
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On December 04 2012 00:32 Promethelax wrote: I'm being an asshole because I am tired and annoyed. Sorry. Clarity: cool that you are defending me but I got this. How about some scum hunting? Or Contribution. Draz: you are my least favourite ninja. Come here and tell me about the end of time. I'm not defending you, I'm telling iamp his point makes no sense. snb is my lynch today and I see no reason to change my epoch vote, odds are next cycle isn't a lynch so I'm taking it easy today. The only thing that's really stood out to me today is that either syllo's night actions have been amazingly accurate at picking people who lied about what they did/were gonna do. | ||
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On December 04 2012 00:36 Hapahauli wrote: I don't think syllo is lying, but as stated previously, I did attempt to protect nl_clarity. The only way I can think of how this works is if I was roleblocked by another player. That's not how Syllo's ability works though, iirc He roleblocks you but he gets told who you planned on targeting. Syllo could you ask the host if it changes anything if hapa was roleblocked by someone other than you? | ||
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On December 04 2012 02:44 iamperfection wrote: Anyone find it wierd that I was roleblocked? Only because there haven't been that many unclaimed roleblocks, but blocking a healer makes sense. | ||
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On December 04 2012 02:52 syllogism wrote: Prom says his role roleblocked everyone who attempted to visit Clarity. I'm not sure if I still understand how his role allegedly works though. He places a seed and if it doesn't get triggered it turns into a shield. It gets triggered by people visiting whoever the seed is on, it'll roleblock anyone who tries to use an ability on the person with the seed. I don't think prome put a seed on me this cycle though, I think he did last cycle? Or the one before. Shit I don't remember, so many actions such a long game. Prome can you clarify please? | ||
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On December 04 2012 03:20 strongandbig wrote: Alright, so I've read up on Syllo's check on me, and I have to conclude that I was bus-driven with a scum player who actually was targeting djodref. I didn't get a roleblock notification, I was told that my action did not succeed because phagga's rolename was not Golem. Guys, think about this for a minute before you do something you'll all regret. Right now you're lynching me because of Syllo's investigation, but you have to admit that I was the obvious target for framing, bus driving, and other anti-investigation roles. Other than that, the main reason for lynching me is that "my role doesn't seem like a normal town role." I agree with that, but that doesn't indicate anything about my alignment - this is a greymist game, that's the kind of thing he delights in. So please, if someone wants to actually make a case on me based around my filter, do so - but maybe if no one can do that you guys will take the hint and figure out that i'm town. Show nested quote + On December 03 2012 16:59 Promethelax wrote: On December 03 2012 16:54 syllogism wrote: That's why I'm waiting until S&B flips because people who he has allegedly targeted have experienced some weird things (Oats not receiving a heal and now something messing with you). good point. SnB, anything else you wanna claim about your ability? Besides the fact that you attacked me with it like an idiot. Let me be clear, without any other aspect of your claim to explain what is happening to your targets I will vote you. I thought I was healing you. We've been over this already. I admit I failed when I didn't figure out how my role actually works, but I never have told you anything but the truth. You see, it's not just that your ability doesn't seem townlike, it's the way you've handled the use of your ability AND the fact that you "didn't care that much" about confirming your assumptions when it came to your abilities. Even ignoring all of that you have been practically useless all game, didn't bother telling us you were going to be away for a couple of days until you were LITERALLY AT THE AIRPORT and a lackluster defense of any accusation thrown at you. | ||
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When a roleblocker tries to roleblock someone who gets bussed, it happens after the bus stuff. Yes it's incredibly unlikely and snb is probably scum, but never say never. | ||
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What is it you don't "enjoy" about people not wanting to go to EOT because of draz. It's not so much spite as it is weird that he's pushing for it. | ||
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On December 04 2012 20:11 strongandbig wrote: ##lynch cavejohnson ##epoch 1999 Lets get this shit over with yo Both of these things are gonna happen eventually might as well do them now Can't go there, plus you must be oblivious to the fact of getting lynched to make such a meager post. Pretty sure you just claimed scum. | ||
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On December 05 2012 06:45 CaveJohnson wrote: Welp we're all gonna die in 600AD tomorrow... I find it really hard to take you seriously. | ||
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On December 05 2012 06:47 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2012 06:46 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 05 2012 06:45 CaveJohnson wrote: Welp we're all gonna die in 600AD tomorrow... I find it really hard to take you seriously. Hard to take this thread seriously when you just dismiss a time zone because its me I don't even know who you are, everyone else does and they seem to dislike you, and from what I've seen this game I can't say I blame them. I can't read you because you're all over the place and you're insisting on a certain time period, that's reason enough for me to make sure we don't do what you say. | ||
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On December 05 2012 06:50 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2012 06:49 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 05 2012 06:47 CaveJohnson wrote: On December 05 2012 06:46 Clarity_nl wrote: On December 05 2012 06:45 CaveJohnson wrote: Welp we're all gonna die in 600AD tomorrow... I find it really hard to take you seriously. Hard to take this thread seriously when you just dismiss a time zone because its me I don't even know who you are, everyone else does and they seem to dislike you, and from what I've seen this game I can't say I blame them. I can't read you because you're all over the place and you're insisting on a certain time period, that's reason enough for me to make sure we don't do what you say. Insisting on safety is reason for dismissal yet insisting on suicide and people jump on board? Yes, people are encouraging suicide and me and my tiny little caveman brain decided I should follow the smart fellas. 600 AD is suicide you say, your reasoning is because that's where a lot of enemies are in the actual game, it's terrible reasoning. | ||
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On December 05 2012 06:53 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2012 06:52 Promethelax wrote: I like Draz. When he decides to participate he often has great ideas. Gems in the rough. However, Draz, you aren't actually giving me anything to work with. I still want to know who you think is scum. you forget drazerk doesn't try to find scum it's just not how he plays mafia OH WAIT Just die already | ||
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Hopeless has a good case on zbo/austin, and although I feel for trying to read this entire game in a day or two, austin doesn't look town. Draz is a mystery to me and I feel should be ignored till lavos. Phagga probably has a better chance to flip red than GK, I don't think they can both be scum. | ||
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Anyway, 3/3, 4 scum dead. I think we're doing well despite that mission failure. | ||
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On December 05 2012 09:16 Promethelax wrote: So I guess Oats, Me and Kita aren't scum based on the actions claimed by SnB and VE. From my notes and recollection, it would appear so yes. With the only person who was in any danger of getting lynched being kita. | ||
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On December 05 2012 22:48 syllogism wrote: Does anyone know who risk thinks is mafia? Besides this random hapa comment it's impossible to tell. Risk you should push hapa today since you seem to find his claim suspicious as well. Also we've flipped 4 mafia so far and we haven't found the role blocker who allegedly blocked risk on n2. There haven't been any unaccounted for role blocks since then either. This is a real sticking point to me. I haven't been roleblocked once all game and neither has iamp (except for Prome's seed). They're just letting us run around and heal people? Scum doesn't have a roleblocker. So who role blocked risk? If it was town it would have been claimed by now. Therefore he is lying scum. | ||
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The only other reason is if a town Risk.Nuke had a reason to lie, in which case I would like to hear it. | ||
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On December 05 2012 23:57 risk.nuke wrote: I'm in school. Clarity, do you seriously believe your own case and how much thought did you pour into it. 30 seconds? Regardless of how much time I had to spend on it, it's a case which, if wrong, you should be able to debunk in 30 seconds. But sure go do your school stuff, come home, and debunk it then. I look forward to it. | ||
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When Risk.Nuke said he got roleblocked he didn't know the next 5 cycles were going to be a mass claim fest where we map out everything and reach conclusions like this. Maybe it seemed convenient for you at the time because you didn't want to pull another person into your tent. Find me a town motive for lying and I'll listen. Or explain to me in what realm of possiblity you have the only roleblock that hasn't been claimed yet. | ||
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On December 06 2012 00:21 risk.nuke wrote: Yes, I stalled all my nightactions a cycle to fakeclaim a roleblock that what would be a coinflip if it gave me minimal town-cred. I never said you played well. Like I said I'm all ears, give me a better explanation. You've been useless all game and you seemed pretty useless in the mason chat as well, I'm not one to do meta stuff but hapa seems convinced even without this that you're scum. | ||
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On December 06 2012 00:23 risk.nuke wrote: Scum have a roleblocker role with other options. 1-shot. Third party. Moron town. Why would I not want more people in my tent. I thought the main case for my role being scum was I wanted to fill up my tent and shoot townies. I find it odd you are suddenly so active, but I guess fair enough. You don't need a full tent to shoot people, just need people. Maybe you have some other ability you used that cycle that we don't know about. You think scum used a 1-shot roleblock on you? You think there is a scum out there that has more useful abilities so they've only roleblocked once all game and it's been on you cycle 2? None of these scenarios make sense. | ||
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On December 06 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote: Okey, Say I used some sort of ability cycle 2. Like what kind of ability did you think I used? I'll be back for your answer. You're being useless. Maybe you healed/protected a scumbuddy? You are grasping at straws. | ||
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On December 06 2012 02:06 Promethelax wrote: I believe it is time for a mass claim. I don't see the reason to name claim. As for abilities I could, but I really see no reason to. | ||
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On December 06 2012 02:48 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On December 06 2012 02:47 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah well it would've been easier too (presumably), had he submitted his party. if only he could hold all those names. I laughed so hard, but I couldn't make myself admit that at the time. | ||
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On December 06 2012 03:14 Hopeless1der wrote: Can I get a refresher on the risk.nuke case? Is it primarily Acro's "meta" read into how he grows complacent/disinterested over time? Since his cycle 2 rb has been claimed by kita, yes. | ||
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On December 06 2012 06:02 syllogism wrote: I've to say it's a really stupid claim to make if he is mafia (don't blame him though, I would want this to end by this point as well), but still as a town aligned player you would absolutely love to "confirm" your actions by healing players instead of using a shield. None of his actions so far are actually confirmable and healing is strictly better than shielding. It's a cry for help, maybe we should lynch him today. I shall sheep unto this and that'll be that. This game has been really interesting and fun, but 4 scum are dead and the game feels like it's dragging on right now. Anyone have a timetravel preference? | ||
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On December 06 2012 11:19 Clarity_nl wrote: ##Unvote ##Lynch Risk.Nuke ##Epoch Middle Ages | ||
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On December 07 2012 07:27 goodkarma wrote: Looks like I'm the only one that doubts risk is scum. Hope I'm wrong... Even if you doubt all the cases against him, look at his reaction to them | ||
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gg town! edit: Syllo took all the credit for sand lynch though I swear I did more to try and make it happen. Why was I so unconvincing? | ||
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On December 13 2012 11:43 GreYMisT wrote: Austinmcc fought like a hero as he was going down. props Absolutely this. Trying to lynch acro was a good move. And Acro as third party was the biggest help to town after cycle 3 and onward or some such. | ||
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