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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 07:50 GMT
#2899
EBWOB: by the way, you didn't deny the protection part, Dieno, so I'm going to assume that you were indeed healed or protected or some stuff
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 07:57 GMT
#2905
@Dieno

Honestly, I have a null read on phagga because his participation is not very high and I don't remember him taking a strong stance against anyone or pushing anything original like TheChronicler did for example.
At first glance, it looks like he tries to figure things out and he has made a few pertinent comments but I don't see anything that would prevent him from being a mafia player blending in.
On top of that, there are other players that look more town than him...
So, no, not phagga...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 08:00 GMT
#2906
On November 25 2012 16:50 Keirathi wrote:
Why do you have "possibly medic?" next to me?

I'm not a medic, nor have I claimed to be one at all :o


You should ask Dieno. He is the guy who pinned you as possible medic, I was just commenting on Dieno post and I assumed that I missed something. I'm on phone and navigation is not easy for me to check previous events.
My bad ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 08:10 GMT
#2909
On November 25 2012 16:29 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 16:13 Djodref wrote:


Most reasonable Party for this Cycle


  • Party leader: Strong town player who has already shown his alignment (Acro or maybe marv) or me, Djodref ^^
  • Dieno and/or Oats, I think we are in a very good position (no NKs yet) and we should get ballsy and pick only one of them to get more "likely to be town" players
  • One or two "easy to identify as town" players like Clarity or Hapa or me


Why in the world would we do that? Our primary goal this game is to kill Lavos. Winning events probably helps us do that in some way or another. Therefore we want to win every event possible, not leave townies out of them just to be "ballsy".


I agree with you but we would be in a better position imo if all the mafia members are dead when Lavos is summoned.
I'm confident enough in my reads to find two others town players and propose a team which could garantee the success of the event. If I can get town credit and two other guys get town credit at the same time, it really narrows the possibility for.mafia to hide for the next lynch event.

For example, what do you think of the following

Djodref as party leader
Oats are Robo the almost confirmed town
Clarity the new town player sticking to its obvious town meta and early supporter of a sandro lynch
Insert player looking town here : I would have taken Acro but he doesn't want to be part of the team so I guess Marv should deserve this spot. Not fixed on the third player yet.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 08:56 GMT
#2927


Today, Vote Djodref as your Party Leader !



[i]Campaign Platform[i]


First of all, I would like to say that my main motivation for launching this campaign is to promote my ideas,like in real politics. I would greatly appreciate that you manifest your support of my ideas via your votes. I really want to win this election!


Top 1 reason to vote for me
I'm town and it is the only thing I know for sure in this game. This is something I want to show and prove to you during this campaign and by eventually leading you to a successful event !


Top 2 reason to vote for me: avoid the concentration of powers
As I've explained before, I think that the town biggest assets right now are Oats and Dieno. I don't want them to run as party leaders and gain some items that would make them a vulnerability for the town for the day we lost one of them to thr mafia or to Lavos.


Top 3 reason to vote for me: giving less room for the mafia to hide
I'm going to keep only one of the players of the previous party and introduce three new players including myself. I'm very confident to get the event to succeed with my team. So we are going to have three players "more likely to be town" that we could easily not consider as lynch candidates for the next lynch event.


My ticket



  • Djodref, as your heroic and truthful party leader !
  • Oats, the almost confirmed Robo
  • Clarity, the obvious townie, slayer of sandroba
  • The beautiful unknow, to play games with the mafia. My decision is definitive for the fourth member but I'm not revealing him for the reasons explained in cycle 1


Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 09:02 GMT
#2929
On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longer


My objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 09:04 GMT
#2930
On November 25 2012 17:59 iamperfection wrote:
djo will this mystery player remain a secret?


Yes, I'm not going to reveal him at all ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 09:08 GMT
#2933
On November 25 2012 17:34 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 17:10 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 16:29 Keirathi wrote:
On November 25 2012 16:13 Djodref wrote:


Most reasonable Party for this Cycle


  • Party leader: Strong town player who has already shown his alignment (Acro or maybe marv) or me, Djodref ^^
  • Dieno and/or Oats, I think we are in a very good position (no NKs yet) and we should get ballsy and pick only one of them to get more "likely to be town" players
  • One or two "easy to identify as town" players like Clarity or Hapa or me


Why in the world would we do that? Our primary goal this game is to kill Lavos. Winning events probably helps us do that in some way or another. Therefore we want to win every event possible, not leave townies out of them just to be "ballsy".


I agree with you but we would be in a better position imo if all the mafia members are dead when Lavos is summoned.
I'm confident enough in my reads to find two others town players and propose a team which could garantee the success of the event. If I can get town credit and two other guys get town credit at the same time, it really narrows the possibility for.mafia to hide for the next lynch event.

For example, what do you think of the following

Djodref as party leader
Oats are Robo the almost confirmed town
Clarity the new town player sticking to its obvious town meta and early supporter of a sandro lynch
Insert player looking town here : I would have taken Acro but he doesn't want to be part of the team so I guess Marv should deserve this spot. Not fixed on the third player yet.

I think winning the event is more imperative that having some more town reads.

And, no offense, but I wouldn't vote for you for party leader anyways.


No offense taken. Also I respect your position. I'm favorable for a higher risk/higher reward play and I think that my idea deserves at least to be promoted.
What do you think about avoiding to concentrate our assets on the newbies ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 09:13 GMT
#2937
On November 25 2012 18:07 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 18:02 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longer


My objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno.

why are we making an assumption that the assets would be better in their hands anyways? Also why would the mafia have an easier time killing oats or anyone else for that matter?

1. we dont know if a so called vet having the item is any better than a so called newer player

2. we dont know the roles of our fellow members that could be more beneficial against the lavos.



1. I'm sure a vet would make a better use of the item than the newbie. But I have no idea of the relation between item/character.

2. Me neither but I assume that it is safer to trust the vets to take better decisions than the newbies to fight Lavos, regardless of their roles and abilities.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 09:21 GMT
#2941
On November 25 2012 18:10 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 18:08 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 17:34 Keirathi wrote:
On November 25 2012 17:10 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 16:29 Keirathi wrote:
On November 25 2012 16:13 Djodref wrote:


Most reasonable Party for this Cycle


  • Party leader: Strong town player who has already shown his alignment (Acro or maybe marv) or me, Djodref ^^
  • Dieno and/or Oats, I think we are in a very good position (no NKs yet) and we should get ballsy and pick only one of them to get more "likely to be town" players
  • One or two "easy to identify as town" players like Clarity or Hapa or me


Why in the world would we do that? Our primary goal this game is to kill Lavos. Winning events probably helps us do that in some way or another. Therefore we want to win every event possible, not leave townies out of them just to be "ballsy".


I agree with you but we would be in a better position imo if all the mafia members are dead when Lavos is summoned.
I'm confident enough in my reads to find two others town players and propose a team which could garantee the success of the event. If I can get town credit and two other guys get town credit at the same time, it really narrows the possibility for.mafia to hide for the next lynch event.

For example, what do you think of the following

Djodref as party leader
Oats are Robo the almost confirmed town
Clarity the new town player sticking to its obvious town meta and early supporter of a sandro lynch
Insert player looking town here : I would have taken Acro but he doesn't want to be part of the team so I guess Marv should deserve this spot. Not fixed on the third player yet.

I think winning the event is more imperative that having some more town reads.

And, no offense, but I wouldn't vote for you for party leader anyways.


No offense taken. Also I respect your position. I'm favorable for a higher risk/higher reward play and I think that my idea deserves at least to be promoted.
What do you think about avoiding to concentrate our assets on the newbies ?

"Concentrating" them? Syllo has our only 'gift' so far. And we have no idea what it is, or what it does.

Also, I'm not necessarily objecting having someone else be party leader other than the two of them. But I am 100% objecting to a party that doesn't contain both of them.


@Keir

lets say that Oats gets the part leader today. Then we have

Oats = confirmed town + important character + gift

I don't want to lose all this if mafia ot Lavos kills him and I dont trust him to use the gift properly...

For the record, I would gladly vote for a party with both Oats and Dieno as members but not as party leaders. Please also consider the fact that we cannot pick them again for the next event.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 09:24 GMT
#2943
On November 25 2012 18:08 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 18:04 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 17:59 iamperfection wrote:
djo will this mystery player remain a secret?


Yes, I'm not going to reveal him at all ^^

then you wont have my vote and i dont think you will get anyone else's vote.


Come on, have you forget on which campaign platform syllo has been elected ?
This guy has been elected qhen his plan was to reveal nothing...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 09:36 GMT
#2949
On November 25 2012 18:27 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 18:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 25 2012 18:16 Keirathi wrote:
On November 25 2012 18:13 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 18:07 iamperfection wrote:
On November 25 2012 18:02 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longer


My objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno.

why are we making an assumption that the assets would be better in their hands anyways? Also why would the mafia have an easier time killing oats or anyone else for that matter?

1. we dont know if a so called vet having the item is any better than a so called newer player

2. we dont know the roles of our fellow members that could be more beneficial against the lavos.



1. I'm sure a vet would make a better use of the item than the newbie. But I have no idea of the relation between item/character.

2. Me neither but I assume that it is safer to trust the vets to take better decisions than the newbies to fight Lavos, regardless of their roles and abilities.

You're making a lot of assumptions that don't make logical sense. It's quite possible that whatever the 'gift' is ONLY works on Lavos, in which case it doesn't matter WHO has it. Also, we don't even know that its something you can 'use' anyways. Maybe its just a buff to all abilities used against Lavos. Or maybe its a debuff on Lavos that does something else. You're assuming too much when you know absolutely nothing.


I think if you list all the possibilities of what this "gift" might be, and then answer the question "if the gift is X, does it matter if it's on a vet or not?" odds are the answer will be yes most of the time, and even if it wasn't most of the time it would still have no downsides.

The only BIG downside right now is that our two close-to-confirmed town are Oats and Dieno. Who are not vets.
But the argument "you don't know enough to make that call" is a bit misplaced.

I disagree with you almost completely.

The only time I think it could really make any difference on vets vs newbies is if its something like "You get a free vig shot" or something that requires the newbie to make a read, where the might not be as experienced making those kinds of decisions.

My opinion is that the gifts likely aren't anything like that. But again, we don't fucking know. This is all pointless setup speculation.


Ok, let's just consider things like and assume that the party leader is going to receive a gift

Oats is a town asset right now
The gift is going to be a town asset as well

If Oats has the gift, it takes less thinking for the mafia for the decision to take to get rid of these assests
If someone else has the gift, the mafia has to distribute the KP which makes the possibility for town to save both their assets.

What do you think ?

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 09:38 GMT
#2952
On November 25 2012 18:30 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 18:21 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 18:10 Keirathi wrote:
On November 25 2012 18:08 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 17:34 Keirathi wrote:
On November 25 2012 17:10 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 16:29 Keirathi wrote:
On November 25 2012 16:13 Djodref wrote:


Most reasonable Party for this Cycle


  • Party leader: Strong town player who has already shown his alignment (Acro or maybe marv) or me, Djodref ^^
  • Dieno and/or Oats, I think we are in a very good position (no NKs yet) and we should get ballsy and pick only one of them to get more "likely to be town" players
  • One or two "easy to identify as town" players like Clarity or Hapa or me


Why in the world would we do that? Our primary goal this game is to kill Lavos. Winning events probably helps us do that in some way or another. Therefore we want to win every event possible, not leave townies out of them just to be "ballsy".


I agree with you but we would be in a better position imo if all the mafia members are dead when Lavos is summoned.
I'm confident enough in my reads to find two others town players and propose a team which could garantee the success of the event. If I can get town credit and two other guys get town credit at the same time, it really narrows the possibility for.mafia to hide for the next lynch event.

For example, what do you think of the following

Djodref as party leader
Oats are Robo the almost confirmed town
Clarity the new town player sticking to its obvious town meta and early supporter of a sandro lynch
Insert player looking town here : I would have taken Acro but he doesn't want to be part of the team so I guess Marv should deserve this spot. Not fixed on the third player yet.

I think winning the event is more imperative that having some more town reads.

And, no offense, but I wouldn't vote for you for party leader anyways.


No offense taken. Also I respect your position. I'm favorable for a higher risk/higher reward play and I think that my idea deserves at least to be promoted.
What do you think about avoiding to concentrate our assets on the newbies ?

"Concentrating" them? Syllo has our only 'gift' so far. And we have no idea what it is, or what it does.

Also, I'm not necessarily objecting having someone else be party leader other than the two of them. But I am 100% objecting to a party that doesn't contain both of them.


@Keir

lets say that Oats gets the part leader today. Then we have

Oats = confirmed town + important character + gift

I don't want to lose all this if mafia ot Lavos kills him and I dont trust him to use the gift properly...

For the record, I would gladly vote for a party with both Oats and Dieno as members but not as party leaders. Please also consider the fact that we cannot pick them again for the next event.

The 'fact'? The stipulation today was that we could only use half of the members from the last party. Now, I will grant you that it's a possibility that there will be some new stipulation next event day, but again you're making the statement that its a fact, when it most certainly isn't.


My bad, I was mistaken. I thought that the party leader was totally unable to participate to the next event, even as a single member.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 09:42 GMT
#2954
On November 25 2012 18:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
I disagree with that argument Djo because our medic roles also have an easier time deciding who to protect.


Yeah, okay, I didn't think it from the medic point of view. Good point...
Would you rather vote Oats or Dieno for a party leader then ^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 09:50 GMT
#2957
On November 25 2012 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote:

Yes I have full hp at the moment :D
Djo, First thing I find wrong with your post.
You think that you are a vet. Do you seriously think that you can use the 'item' better than me or dien? Do we completely lack logic?
Second thing I find wrong, what is this concentration of power you speak of? Only syllo has an 'item' that he mentioned very briefly. We are still 'confirming' 2 more town people that could lead the party in the next event.


I'm not a vet but I believe I could use an item better than you No harm feelings but if you require to have some good reads to use the item, I would rather have a vet or ma having it than you...

It's not the concentration of power but the concentration of assets. But Clarity and Keir just made me realize that it was going to make the life easier for the protective roles so my point was not so good ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 09:52 GMT
#2958
EBWOP: and for the two towns that you may "confirm" I would have preferred if it could be three but I'm going to respect the majority decision on this one. My candidature is still up here for people who think like me ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 09:58 GMT
#2961
On November 25 2012 18:25 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 18:24 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 18:08 iamperfection wrote:
On November 25 2012 18:04 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 17:59 iamperfection wrote:
djo will this mystery player remain a secret?


Yes, I'm not going to reveal him at all ^^

then you wont have my vote and i dont think you will get anyone else's vote.


Come on, have you forget on which campaign platform syllo has been elected ?
This guy has been elected qhen his plan was to reveal nothing...


But you're not syllo .


Fair enough ^^
Why didn't you comment on my third point: giving mafia less room to hide ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 10:11 GMT
#2966
On November 25 2012 09:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 09:34 Promethelax wrote:
hey Marv, baby, why did you target Syllo n1?

+ Show Spoiler +
sorry about my play sensei, I will do better


I'm basically a medic type role. I reduce incoming HP by half on the target player (or in 600 AD, 2 players).


@marv
If I'm correct, we were in 600Ad during cycle 1,do you mind sharing with us who your other target was ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 10:13 GMT
#2967
On November 25 2012 19:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Djo, Im confused.
Is your main point to confirm townies? Or to complete the event?
Because if we fail the event, we have 3 people to lynch and only 1 of them is mafia, I think. So it would be really easy to mislynch at this point.
Playing safe is the best way to play in the situation we are in now.


My goal is to do both at the same time. High risk/high reward play ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 11:19 GMT
#2974
On November 25 2012 20:13 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 20:01 syllogism wrote:
Prom: So you are saying you have a roleblock+track ability and an ability that roleblocks everyone who visits the person you target, is this correct?


nope, the track thing was something I never claimed. I said I 'knew which way Sand was pointing when he was Rb'd' which is true because by targeting you I RB'd those who targeted you. I used that part of my ability as a 'watcher' like ability but it wasn't fool proof, I was bluffing Sand when I said that I 'knew' he targeted you. I guessed it based on my role and my reads.

I have an ability which is planted on a single player which, if activated RBs everyone who visits that players. If it is not activated it will after [redacted number of cycle(s)] become a shield to block [ redacted number] of HP damage to the targeted player.


@Prom

So how do you explain that syllo took some damage during the first cycle ?
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