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On November 23 2012 19:36 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 19:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
The reason why my vote is on Sandro now is that Syllo gave a scum read on him AND he is not responding to that.
Something I just thought of, if Sandro had been leader and failed, he couldve just said that his reads were wrong because his party consists of new players with little to no pre game experience.
@OatsThe problem here is that you are sheeping syllo, voting for an inactive player and then go into useless speculation. Who would you like to lynch if sandro and CJ were already dead ?
I cannot in good conscience put up an alternative candidate without using really bad reasoning.
Many people in the thread have not posted in this cycle or more than a 2 page filter. This is probably due to thanksgiving but since that its over, I hope that more posts will be coming from people like Prome, Strong&Big, Iamperfections.
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I dont think that his claim is a fake claim. However he 'knows' his hidden number value which is an all out lie. I wonder what else he is lying about...
Sandro, my vote is on you at the moment because you have not interacted with the thread after your first few posts.
Do you think that you will read scum wrongly on Syllo?
IRL reasons are not really applicable at this point, if you knew that you werent free to play, you shouldnt have signed up.. Or you should do something other than complaining about it.
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When I am reading GK's filter again, he spends a lot of time discussing the party members. A LOT of time. he is repeating himself quite a bit.
Then I come to when he puts a finalized list for party members. Phagga is in there with no reasoning and no prior discussion by GK. Then he tells us that it is not a strong read. This seems like he is just setting himself away from phagga should town lynch/phagga dies and flips scum. Really suspicious. He also picks dien which is basically the opposite from phagga, not a lurker and he didnt scum hunt yet IIRC.
Scum would do this because he knows that dien is town and could still pull out a event win due to his claim even though him and phagga are scum.
Conclusion, he has not really done anything in terms of reads other than some really uncertain reads on his party members. But he is posting a lot, so he is trying to fake being town by asking questions even though those questions dont really lead to any more information.
His final party selection is really odd as Djo was more active than phagga and didnt scumhunt too IIRC, dien was also not in his criteria for picking party members.. trying to shoehorn in a scum with faulty reasoning which no one really picked up on at the time
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got sniped by acro posting to not post until Dien posted. oops 
Sandroba I think has the burden of proving other people scum/himself innocent.
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Heavily like phagga is scum?
Do you think that his other 2 candidates fit his criteria of semi-lurky and scumhunty? Because thats what I feel is odd.
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lol when I was reading a mafia thread for the first time, I thought that FoS was full of shit :D
@Djo, since you dont think sandro is mafia, and the some of the people that voted for sandro are mafia,
Why do you think that risk.nuke is the scummiest out of all the votes?
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I really dont see a strong reasoning other than your own bias.. Sandro has quite a filter that we can analyse and is not a coin flip whether mafia/town. For example if BioSC was lynched right now, if he is town, we killed a town. If he is mafia , we got lucky.
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Nothing has given me any read at all.. He has 1 giant opening post where he says a lot and nothing. Then he argues with Clarity for the rest of his posts...
Null read so far.
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Hmm I must of missed iamp jumping on him.
Yeah now that I reread it, BioSC's town read on marv looks horrifyingly weak. He bases it off of party leader strategy? Scum would do that too... Its just logic.
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@Iamp
Why are you asking Marv that? how does this help town in ANY WAY?
Isnt better to ask marv how he is important to town?
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Dont dodge the question.
Answer it after marv gives his answer.
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I plan on waiting until he wakes up.. The cycle ends in 36 hours, there still is plenty of time to go.
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Hopeless, how does predicting the party show his alignment?
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On November 24 2012 00:53 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
I plan on waiting until he wakes up.. The cycle ends in 36 hours, there still is plenty of time to go. @OatsI'd prefer you to try to find other mafia players until he wakes up. Any comments you want to make on my case against TheChronicler ?
I actually prefer to sleep, which I am going to do after I read your case again.
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Response to Djo's case on Chronicler
+ Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 21:25 Djodref wrote:
TheChronicler
What is he trying to accomplish exactly ?
Part I --- His Plan
Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:
*snip*
I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses.
If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system.
We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:41 TheChronicler wrote:
*snip*
I don't want to be as unaccountable as possible. If you think it's a better idea then why not have it go leader chooses three > three choose 3 others, can't choose themselves. Leader will want to choose people who he has certain reads on, since he will want the event to succeed, and those three will want to choose someone they have a certain read on. We get information from all the choices, and avoid the problem where everyone will just choose themselves. He wants to get elected to prevent the election of a better known player whose alignment could be difficult to assess. His campaign is mainly based around his plan. I don't want to discuss if his plan is good or not. I want to discuss the purpose of his plan His plan doesn't help us to make sure that the event is going to succeed. His plan doesn't help us to catch scum (maybe it does, but I doubt it and TheChronicler failed to explain it to us in this case) His plan helps us to get information. The promised information is green and in bold font but he doesn't explain how this beautiful information is going to help the town. My conclusion is that he didn't really think through his plan in advance and made a plan for the sake of making a plan. The motivation for scum is to look townie. You can see here that he didn't really believe in his election. Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:56 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:49 marvellosity wrote:
then we make sure we don't elect a scum person.
can't be that hard to make just one or two very likely town reads, no? ^^ I figured I'd add in a system that got us as much information as possible. I never expected to be elected since I'm on a smurf, but I really wanted my idea to be used because I think there's a good enough chance we don't get a townie elected (I've lynched enough townies d1 not to be overly confident in my d1 reads) You can see here that his obsession with information is faked because he goes after iamperfection when he gave a town read on Dieno. Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 13:55 iamperfection wrote:On November 21 2012 13:54 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did not see the 'when'
sorry.
Also about the Keir thing with marv.
He said that if he did think marv was scum he wouldnt vote him
Then he said that he would have to be sure that marv was town to vote him.
They are the same in my opinion, Keir has the confidence that he will either have a town or scum read on marv by the end of the day, not a null read I think you're reading that wrong. Think marv is town = will vote Thinks marv is scum = will not vote Unsure of marv = will not vote You're not considering the possibility of #3 in your reasoning. You're saying Keir will have the confidence, but he hasn't said that at all. Following quote sums it up. On November 21 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:@ KeiYou're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts. Err... but you said... On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:
--Quote Pyramid Omitted--
I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through. Do explain good sir. What is there to explain? Both of those things you bolded say the exact same thing :o ------------------------------------------ On November 21 2012 13:32 iamperfection wrote:
also by the way i have a town read on Dienosore no nooby scum gonna come in here like that. Is there a reason everyone feels the need to shout their town reads this game? ------------------------------------------- On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too). Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to -identify town -vote town to lead the party -Profit -Kill Mafia/Lavos -More Profit
What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD. I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party. Come play the setup speculation game with me please! How about we don't speculate on setup. What is speculating going to do? It's just an opportunity for scum to mislead us when they shouldn't have that opportunity. is it scummy to say what i think? It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go. WTF ? If we apply his plan, people are not supposed to choose other people according to their town reads ?! It's true that he didn't even say on what criteria you should choose people according to his plan but I guess we can safely assume it was based on town reads. But giving town reads is now anti-town ? I've showed that TheChronicler has made a "fake" plan to look like he is contributing and a concerned town player. He didn't think it through but the most important point is that he doesn't follow the logic of his plan, which shows that he doesn't really believe in it
Part II --- His vote on sylloTheChronicler voting syllo is totally incoherent with his story. In his campaign post, he proposes himself as an "unknown" player to counter the campaigns of the "known" players. Anyway, this is minor. Here TheChronicler states what kind of player he doesn't want for the town Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:48 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:47 marvellosity wrote:
TheChronicler, take a moment, sip a glass of wine, and ponder why every single person who has read your idea has thought it terrible.
It's either because you're a genius, transcended on a plane above any of us mere mortals, or your idea is bad. Alright, it's probably just bad. I just wanted to spread it out b/c I don't want to elect a scum person and have them controlling everything. I'm fine with this. I wouldn't expect him to vote syllo because of all his previous information rant, but if he does, if would expect him to seriously assess syllo alignment. Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:42 TheChronicler wrote:
I'm going to place my vote on syllo. Cave seems to be pushing syllo as someone who can't be elected because he's "taken himself out" when he's a very viable candidate. I'm driving to California, and won't be back in the thread for a good 12 hours. I will try to keep up with the thread on my phone, though. Just don't expect your questions to be answered until I get to my parents' place tonight. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 03:50 TheChronicler wrote:
I don't think we should be going for a swap with 4 hours left. I'm happy with my vote on syllo. Wow, unexpected. Here I suspect TheChronicler to blend him by blindy voting for syllo.
Part III --- Blending in
You can find a lot of useless little remarks in TheChronicler filter. He doesn't interact by himself with the players with great town potential. Here are some remarks addressed to Oats and Dieno which function is only to add some lenght to his filter. Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- *snip* Enters the thread with remarks for Oats and Clarity... Nitpicking in the new players filter, kinda lame... Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 13:55 iamperfection wrote:On November 21 2012 13:54 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did not see the 'when'
sorry.
Also about the Keir thing with marv.
He said that if he did think marv was scum he wouldnt vote him
Then he said that he would have to be sure that marv was town to vote him.
They are the same in my opinion, Keir has the confidence that he will either have a town or scum read on marv by the end of the day, not a null read I think you're reading that wrong. Think marv is town = will vote Thinks marv is scum = will not vote Unsure of marv = will not vote You're not considering the possibility of #3 in your reasoning. You're saying Keir will have the confidence, but he hasn't said that at all. Following quote sums it up. On November 21 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:@ KeiYou're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts. Err... but you said... On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:
--Quote Pyramid Omitted--
I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through. Do explain good sir. What is there to explain? Both of those things you bolded say the exact same thing :o ------------------------------------------ On November 21 2012 13:32 iamperfection wrote:
also by the way i have a town read on Dienosore no nooby scum gonna come in here like that. Is there a reason everyone feels the need to shout their town reads this game? ------------------------------------------- On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too). Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to -identify town -vote town to lead the party -Profit -Kill Mafia/Lavos -More Profit
What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD. I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party. Come play the setup speculation game with me please! How about we don't speculate on setup. What is speculating going to do? It's just an opportunity for scum to mislead us when they shouldn't have that opportunity. is it scummy to say what i think? It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go. This one is addressed to iamp, but I think it is an interesting one. He is pushing people to retain information... Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 14:13 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 14:05 Dienosore wrote:
I think it's possible to remain credible and maintain a good sense of playfulness at the same time If only you were doing something to lend yourself credibility other than posting nothing. Nice use of the red and bold font for Dieno  Here he is framing the player who turns out to be what we have the closest to be confirmed town imho. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.
Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. Nit-picking again ^^
Conclusion
There are good chances for TheChronicler to be scum
1. The idea of making a plan for the sake of it. I think that he would of given up on it a lot faster if it was a 'joke' plan. The fact that he stuck to it and tried to convince people of it makes me think that he is town.
I think that not believing in his campaign is not actually a scum trait. His main points was his idea, which he pushed A LOT.
2. I have nothing to say about the information issue but I do think that he was talking about different kinds of information. Im gonna let him clarify if he wants.
3. I think he has his reasons for voting for syllo. I do think that the way he did it is a null read.
4. 1 line posts also are not necessarily indicative of alignment. Dieno was posting nothing at that time, everyone thought so.
In conclusion,I think that chronicler is town.
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Well going to sleep now, see you guys in the morning :D
hopefully with some progress :D
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Finally able to post :D
Hey VE.
I think that until sandro comes back into the thread, my vote will be on him.
Why did everyone suddenly hop off kita?
GK, why is your second party so drastically different from the first party you proposed?
I think for the moment I do not agree with the Cave Johnson lynch because he didnt do anything that is scum aligned, just weird.
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got sniped
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Chronicler's voting for syllo makes perfect sense in which he did not want town reads to be thrown around.
I am confused on the information that he wants from his original plan but I suspect that he wanted associations between scum players when the flips start coming
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I really dont believe Sandro at this point after his long posts.
He didnt show any examples on how clarity forced scum behavior on his posts
Earlier it was brought up that the game was balanced insofar that the roles arnt randomly given, so I believe that scum must have a strong candidate who can win the election if he appears town.
Sandro, can you explain more about your scum read on kita? If I am to switch off you, I must think that someone is scummier than you and kita is also under suspicion.
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