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On November 23 2012 09:12 Toadesstern wrote: You're the one who openly said you don't want to be on missions because that'll make failures more likely because you know you've got a low hidden value, aren't you? Yes. And that's why i'm surprised I was picked. Marv's only comment about me this game has been "I don't think Keir is pushing a scum agenda", though. | ||
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There were some talk of portals and things in the day post, but I didn't see anything to suggest we changed positions in time. Just want to make certain though. | ||
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On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote: thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value. Did YOU give an opinion on if I was claiming scum in the thread or not? I don't remember you doing so. | ||
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On November 23 2012 11:04 Toadesstern wrote: well I would have if I had considered it to be a mafiaclaim. I don't talk about townreads... So, you had a scum read on me, then i claimed something weird in the thread and that moved me to a town read? | ||
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Yes, it was an inadvertent slip, talking about something a "VT" wouldn't have knowledge of. Just weird that no one even really questioned me about it. | ||
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On November 23 2012 11:35 Toadesstern wrote: Pretty sure people asked you o.O Pretty sure either you or someone else said it's probably because of the name of your role as you kept saying you don't know the exact number. People asked me how I knew what my modifier was, and if I knew it specifically. I guess this is pretty off-topic and pointless though, but it kind of bugs me that no one was interested in really engaging me in conversation, trying to figure out if I was concerned town or dumb mafia, and asking me why I claimed low success modifier to begin with. On November 23 2012 11:35 Dienosore wrote: Why did you claim you have a low success modifier? And why did you use the word 'had'? Does your success modifier change? No, my modifier didn't change. Probably just wrong verb tense? I was talking in the past "No one [then] asked me why I had a low success modifier". Had seems like the correct conjugation, but maybe 'have' is? | ||
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On November 23 2012 11:40 Djodref wrote: I took a 20HP damage tonight Could anyone not voting for syllo yesterday and not in the party could tell us if he took similar amount of damage ? I'm guessing that mafia had activated a power to target all syllo voters. I might be wrong... What about applying the Lynch a Lurker policy for today ? On a side note, I don't think that he is scum so far and I don't want a wagon to form until he comes back to the thread and provides some explanations and reads and all... He did disappear like this during our Looney game and he was town. ##Vote: BioSC All syllo voters EXCEPT those in the party? That doesn't make a ton of sense. I voted syllo and was in the party. I took 0 damage. | ||
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On November 23 2012 12:26 Djodref wrote: @Toad That's a good point. But would you say that syllo is now confirmed town ? My point was made to show Clarity that we shouldn't consider syllo as totally confirmed yet. Of course, he is more likely to be town than anything else but not 100% confirmed imho. I didn't totally think at all the implications of my point. No, he's not "confirmed" town. I don't expect we'll have anyone confirmed town in this whole game. But there's a damn good probability that syllo is town at this point, imo. | ||
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On November 23 2012 13:04 Dienosore wrote: Damn wish I could edit you in. Another thing I forgot to add. Since this game seems like it's going to be pretty dynamic, I'm also considering the possibility that the queen we just saved can be utilized in some way. Maybe someone's PM said something like "if the group saves you, you get so-and-so power" or maybe she's just an NPC that will make our next mission easier, IDK -_- Probably some bonus when we have to fight Lavos, imo. | ||
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TheChronicler The points against him are really strong (particularly the "giving town reads is anti-town" opinion, when his day 1 plan relied exactly on that). Waiting on him to explain more, but I'm liking him for the vote today right now. sandroba Nothing in his filter jumps out to me as anti-town mindset. Really, the only point against him is that he's been lurky, when I observed Looney and he was pretty lurky there too as town. Not enough for me to vote him right now. Promethelax He's someone else I think we should be talking about today as a lynch candidate. Let's take a look at his first two posts: On November 21 2012 10:54 Promethelax wrote: *snip* So, it seems to me that we need to vote for the towniest player possible for the challenge. I think anyone who wants to be elected as party leader should announce who they will pick to work with them so that they have something which they have to stand by. I don't want mafia to be able to choose an all mafia team (or 3rd party or whatever the hell else GreY put in this game). or, if they do I'd like them to have to at least put their stances in the thread on which players seem most townie and most scummy. On November 21 2012 11:01 Promethelax wrote: I see Acro has sniped me in terms of the idea of any potential leader posting their core group. Has anyone played in a similar set-up before? Or does anyone have the link to Resistance? I haven't read it. Based on the fact that Acro had the same though as me and from our last game together I would currently, put him in my team, along with Acro I would add Marv (come on, wouldn't you?) and as third player I would chose Hapa. Hapa is a guy who over many games I have come to like and respect though I once hated him. He is a great town player and a kinda crappy scum player, seems like the right guy to have along for the ride. TL:DR My team: Acro, Marv, Hapa I'm curious if putting one player who seems like a liability (one of the guys known for trolling or one of the smurfs) onto the team so that we can get a read on them from their actions makes sense? It seems like we won't have lynches but knowing who scum is/is not will help town players direct any and all actions which they have and i assume making sure that non-town players not being on the quest team will be a good thing for us as the OP specifies that they can make it more difficult to achieve our objectives. So, he's already thinking about voting the towniest person into the group as a leader, because he didn't want an all scum party. He even goes so far as to suggest putting a "liability" into the group to test if they are townie or not. But, he doesn't pick people for his group because they are TOWN. He just picks them because he respects them as good players. They are two very different lines of thinking within just those two posts. Then: On November 21 2012 12:08 Promethelax wrote: Kier: would you really vote for Marv? Do you think you have the ability to meta read him well enough to know that he is town? I don't think I could and, unless someone can convince me that he is town or the person he is running against is super scummy I will NOT vote Marv. And: On November 21 2012 12:16 Promethelax wrote: Keir: how many scum does it take to sabotage a mission? My guess is that even a single one will fuck us so a scum Marv would not need to pick any scummers. But, marv was one of his proposed team, and, he was proposing to put a 'liability' player into the group to test if they were scum. However, those earlier thoughts don't line up with his thinking that a single scum could cause the event to fail. Now, I'll grant him a little benefit of the doubt here. His first two posts were still during the period of the game when people were guessing that the events were more of a "challenge" rather than a "plug townies in and you win" thing, so the change of opinions could make some sense. But he was still worried about having a part without scum in it earlier, but his picks didn't show that at all. And now, what really got me thinking about Prom more: On November 22 2012 02:22 Promethelax wrote: You know catching up with this thread is a million times worse than I was hoping, remember how I said that I was toning down the amount which I am posting? Could you all do me a favour and consolidate too. Thanks. After reading the last ~20 pages I have come to a conclusion as to who I want to vote. It isn't Sylo and it isn't Sand. Their abilities are, no doubt, incredible but I don't like the way Sand took over the thread early and no one challenged him. I feel that a mafia player would in fact have tried to take over. (Remember Matt's reed of Decundo in PP) as such I'll be voting away from the two of them and towards someone who I read as town right now and who is known for having good reads. ## Vote: Acro Come on boys, lets do this right and make Sand have to fight for his nomination. I'll be out again for a few hours. See ya'll soon. On November 22 2012 15:13 Promethelax wrote: I'm catching up, but writing as I read. I have never played with either of you before, I have trouble reading you and while it is true that you gained much support on a good idea. One which you got from reading the OP more acuretly than anyone else (we all thought that we needed strong players on the team, you realized that all we needed was townie players) you are a smart guy and, from what I have read of you, I would bet that you would have made this same play as town or scum. The fact that there was not an obvious counter wagon after you makes me lean scummy on you just as an unopposed lynch on day 1 would give me a townie read on the player who was up for lynch. I did not address Syllo because he did not seem to be a credible candidate to me at that point. I'm not going to vote Acro as he did not try to generate momentum from my vote on him and I will be voting somewhere else instead. nah brah, it is how I play. I don't vote for a scum read until I think they are scum even if the thread as a whole disagrees (look at my d1 town vibes on muso in ACME). I was about to support Kush as a townie. He talked to me pre game about his fear of the size of this game and the themey-ness of this game. He was truly concerned and did want a just Vanilla game. I would expect more posts from scum kush because he would want to match his meta. My vote will be on Kita, the candidate I trust. The reasons I trust him 1) I am in his party and know that I am town. That leaves only three others in the party and I have a town read on all three. 2) I am very unhappy with how into Syllo/Sand this thread is. The lack of a real campaign away from theirs worries the shit out of me. Mafia would want to be leader or in the party and the only way that is confirmed is if one of them is mafia. Ergo ## vote: kitaman I'm keeping up with the thread but doing my best to spam less as I have less to say. Trying to keep my posting short and sweet, this thread is hard enough to read without my help. I'll be around for a bit. Any questions: shoot. In the first post, he addresses Syllo as a serious candidate, then in the second he says "I didn't address syllo because he wasn't a serious candidate at that point". 1) I do think he was a serious candidate and 2) Prom did actually address syllo. Which makes me wonder why the hell he even said that. His whole argument about there not being a counterwagon to syllo/sand only makes sense if BOTH of them are scum. If one of them is scum, then the other IS the counterwagon. But what really bugs me is how he jumps off of the Acro vote because "Acro didn't try to gain any momentum with my vote" and onto kita, SOMEONE HE HAD NEVER EVEN MENTIONED. First off, that argument for jumping off of Acro doesn't make any sense. Does not trying to gain momentum make Acro scum? Certainly not. Scum would 100% want to garner support to get elected as party member if he already had some modicum of support behind him. Of course, he still has a town read on Acro because Acro is in kita's proposed party. But, it really feels like he's just looking for justification to hop off of Acro and onto the candidate who has him as a party member (and I actually find kita's justification for putting him in the party pretty weak anyways. I'm not positive if that makes me think kita is scum yet, though). Now, like I said earlier, I can see a townie doing that if at least one of the following two condition are met: 1) he, knowing he is town, believes that all 4 people of the proposed party are, in fact, town (which was what he said) 2) has a scum read on all the other available candidates. But there are a TON of benefits for a scum to do this. Especially a scum who ostensibly believes that 1 scum could cause a mission to fail. Bah, I'm kind of rambling a bit. TL;DR - Ran smear campaign on every other potential candidate in an effort to get the one candidate that had him in the party elected. | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote: I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote: It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:39 syllogism wrote: But I'm not going to waste time on hypotheticals and I don't see why you are wasting time interrogating me when I'm about as confirmed town as one can be. So, I was thinking about this more earlier. The reasons you gave for picking me for the party were pretty good if you are town. But if you're scum, you would have almost HAD to pick me. Dieno claimed that he was Frog, a 600AD character who increased the party's chance of success. Therefore, you basically HAD to pick him just because of that, even if you're scum (besides the fact that he has been playing very obviously with a townie mindset). So, if he had a high success modifier, and you were scum, then me claiming that I had a low success modifier would make me almost a guaranteed pick if you wanted any chance of actually making the event fail. Now, granted, the more likely option is that you were town and just picking town reads. But I can't dismiss you as a scum possibility just yet after picking me. | ||
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On November 24 2012 06:51 Clarity_nl wrote: Why would he have to pick you as town? I was rather confused that you were picked to be completely honest. I didn't say he had to pick me if he was town. If he is scum, though, he basically HAD to pick me. | ||
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