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On November 22 2012 04:12 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:57 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My town read is on TheChronicler. He's either new to the game or a longtime vet fucking with us. In the former case, a noob scum would not be proposing some shitty plan like that. In the latter, he was gauging reactions and hoping to get scum to bite. Also, not a scumplay.
It's not a very useful town read, though, because I don't want to vote for him precisely because his plan was terrible. huh like, how random is this? I mean, i can give or take the logic, but did you really need to explain your useless town read right then?
No. I didn't think I did. Hence why I didn't at first. When asked for it, I figured it couldn't do much harm either.
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On November 22 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 05:36 phagga wrote:On November 22 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote:
CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal. why is that townie? I would expect a townie to want to be part of every mission if possible, as it will make sure that at least that spot is not occupied by scum (from that specific townies point of view). If a townie has a low "success modifier". I could see him not wanting to be picked especially in the early game where its much more likely that a scum (or two) are picked for the team inadvertently and it could cause mission loss.
How the hell do you have any idea what your HIDDEN success modifier is? What CaveJohnson's post made me think of was 3rd party. I thought syllo was referring to the fact that a 3rd party didn't want to come along on the mission was "townie", because he at least cares enough about the town to warn them off.
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On November 22 2012 05:34 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 04:11 strongandbig wrote:On November 21 2012 12:55 iamperfection wrote:
So you guys are looking for someone that has a very distinguishable town meta as opposed to his scum meta.
Hrm let me think about this for a second??????? hrm who could it possibly me...........
Wait a tick
fucking me thats who
I nominate the perfect one as the leader because he is the best choice. Not only am i town this game i also have a very distinguishable town meta from my scum meta.
Also the perfect one is known for his generosity and his fairness
i am very active and will be able to keep up with the thread very easily so i will easily take the towns input for selecting my team
So vote iamperfection 2012 ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeah I can assert this too, doesn't make it true or useful um it is actually true ask anybody.
Don't ask me. I think you're scum. You have been completely useless all game and if other people's assessments of your meta are any good, then your town meta is to be constructive rather than yell at the top of your lungs that you're town.
My only experience with you was in Caller's failed game, where you were a veteran vampire cult, so I won't go on my own experience playing with you.
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On November 22 2012 05:47 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 05:47 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:42 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 05:36 phagga wrote:On November 22 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote:
CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal. why is that townie? I would expect a townie to want to be part of every mission if possible, as it will make sure that at least that spot is not occupied by scum (from that specific townies point of view). If a townie has a low "success modifier". I could see him not wanting to be picked especially in the early game where its much more likely that a scum (or two) are picked for the team inadvertently and it could cause mission loss. How the hell do you have any idea what your HIDDEN success modifier is? What CaveJohnson's post made me think of was 3rd party. I thought syllo was referring to the fact that a 3rd party didn't want to come along on the mission was "townie", because he at least cares enough about the town to warn them off. So why do you think I said that, then? do you know your success modifier? Not specifically, but yes.
If you are referring to something like you being a playable character and not "old man at the market" or "crono's mom", I really don't think you should put much faith in that...
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On November 22 2012 05:49 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 05:47 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 05:34 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 04:11 strongandbig wrote:On November 21 2012 12:55 iamperfection wrote:
So you guys are looking for someone that has a very distinguishable town meta as opposed to his scum meta.
Hrm let me think about this for a second??????? hrm who could it possibly me...........
Wait a tick
fucking me thats who
I nominate the perfect one as the leader because he is the best choice. Not only am i town this game i also have a very distinguishable town meta from my scum meta.
Also the perfect one is known for his generosity and his fairness
i am very active and will be able to keep up with the thread very easily so i will easily take the towns input for selecting my team
So vote iamperfection 2012 ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeah I can assert this too, doesn't make it true or useful um it is actually true ask anybody. Don't ask me. I think you're scum. You have been completely useless all game and if other people's assessments of your meta are any good, then your town meta is to be constructive rather than yell at the top of your lungs that you're town. My only experience with you was in Caller's failed game, where you were a veteran vampire cult, so I won't go on my own experience playing with you. oh really would you point to something specific then.
You are wanting me to quote the absense of useful posts by you? How am I supposed to do that? If you want examples of you yelling at the top of your lungs that you're town, here's a brief compilation:
[spoiler="IAMTOWN!!!1111"]
On November 21 2012 12:55 iamperfection wrote:
So you guys are looking for someone that has a very distinguishable town meta as opposed to his scum meta.
Hrm let me think about this for a second??????? hrm who could it possibly me...........
Wait a tick
fucking me thats who
I nominate the perfect one as the leader because he is the best choice. Not only am i town this game i also have a very distinguishable town meta from my scum meta.
Also the perfect one is known for his generosity and his fairness
i am very active and will be able to keep up with the thread very easily so i will easily take the towns input for selecting my team
So vote iamperfection 2012
Not only am I town, but everybody can see that I'm town from my meta!!! Not seeing it yet...
On November 21 2012 13:01 iamperfection wrote:
also you people that have played with me before do not ignore me you know what i say is true.
Call me town, pretty please?
On November 21 2012 13:15 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:13 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 21 2012 13:05 iamperfection wrote:
also why do we have to have the leader select all 3 wouldn't it be best for the town to put some input on the other team members? That was my original train of thought. But should the decision become the leader's, that puts a TON of pressure on him (if he is very transparent in his thoughts), and helps consolidate our read on said leader. so we need someone who can hadle pressure well??? Once again me GSL II me as scum terrible game but got very dicey towards the end kush my partner started to wet his pants but i stayed calm and cool led to my victory. Another reason to vote me
Dude, I'm town AND awesome!
On November 21 2012 13:49 iamperfection wrote:
as much as i would love stay up with you fine chaps it is past my bed time
For those who have played with me before comment on me.
you know i have an easy town meta to read so say what you already know to be true iamperfection should be on the team
I am town and I can write it in BIG BLACK BOLD LETTERS!!!111
On November 21 2012 23:34 iamperfection wrote:
@ marv
i should be on the team right.
Please Marv, please call me town?
[/spoiler]
Given that the rest of your filter is almost all meaningless banter, I fail to see how anybody could get a town read from this if your normal town meta is to be constructive. So don't you "ask anybody in the thread" on me as if you are confirmed town. You're not, shape up and stop looking scummy.
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Shit, screwed up spoiler tags :S
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On November 22 2012 05:51 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 05:47 Acrofales wrote:
Don't ask me. I think you're scum. You have been completely useless all game and if other people's assessments of your meta are any good, then your town meta is to be constructive rather than yell at the top of your lungs that you're town.
My only experience with you was in Caller's failed game, where you were a veteran vampire cult, so I won't go on my own experience playing with you. His town meta has nothing to do with being a strong townie, and everything to do with his attitude towards the game. As town he is carefree and says whatever the fuck he feels like. As scum, he's careful, reserved, and can get defensive/apologize when people call something he says or does bad.
Nobody has called stuff he says or does bad yet. Lets start! Oh wait, I just did.
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On November 22 2012 06:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 05:59 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 05:49 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 05:47 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 05:34 iamperfection wrote:On November 22 2012 04:11 strongandbig wrote:On November 21 2012 12:55 iamperfection wrote:
So you guys are looking for someone that has a very distinguishable town meta as opposed to his scum meta.
Hrm let me think about this for a second??????? hrm who could it possibly me...........
Wait a tick
fucking me thats who
I nominate the perfect one as the leader because he is the best choice. Not only am i town this game i also have a very distinguishable town meta from my scum meta.
Also the perfect one is known for his generosity and his fairness
i am very active and will be able to keep up with the thread very easily so i will easily take the towns input for selecting my team
So vote iamperfection 2012 ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeah I can assert this too, doesn't make it true or useful um it is actually true ask anybody. Don't ask me. I think you're scum. You have been completely useless all game and if other people's assessments of your meta are any good, then your town meta is to be constructive rather than yell at the top of your lungs that you're town. My only experience with you was in Caller's failed game, where you were a veteran vampire cult, so I won't go on my own experience playing with you. oh really would you point to something specific then. You are wanting me to quote the absense of useful posts by you? How am I supposed to do that? If you want examples of you yelling at the top of your lungs that you're town, here's a brief compilation: + Show Spoiler [IAMTOWN!!!1111] +On November 21 2012 12:55 iamperfection wrote:
So you guys are looking for someone that has a very distinguishable town meta as opposed to his scum meta.
Hrm let me think about this for a second??????? hrm who could it possibly me...........
Wait a tick
fucking me thats who
I nominate the perfect one as the leader because he is the best choice. Not only am i town this game i also have a very distinguishable town meta from my scum meta.
Also the perfect one is known for his generosity and his fairness
i am very active and will be able to keep up with the thread very easily so i will easily take the towns input for selecting my team
So vote iamperfection 2012 Not only am I town, but everybody can see that I'm town from my meta!!! Not seeing it yet... On November 21 2012 13:01 iamperfection wrote:
also you people that have played with me before do not ignore me you know what i say is true. Call me town, pretty please? On November 21 2012 13:15 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:13 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 21 2012 13:05 iamperfection wrote:
also why do we have to have the leader select all 3 wouldn't it be best for the town to put some input on the other team members? That was my original train of thought. But should the decision become the leader's, that puts a TON of pressure on him (if he is very transparent in his thoughts), and helps consolidate our read on said leader. so we need someone who can hadle pressure well??? Once again me GSL II me as scum terrible game but got very dicey towards the end kush my partner started to wet his pants but i stayed calm and cool led to my victory. Another reason to vote me Dude, I'm town AND awesome! On November 21 2012 13:49 iamperfection wrote:
as much as i would love stay up with you fine chaps it is past my bed time
For those who have played with me before comment on me.
you know i have an easy town meta to read so say what you already know to be true iamperfection should be on the team I am town and I can write it in BIG BLACK BOLD LETTERS!!!111On November 21 2012 23:34 iamperfection wrote:
@ marv
i should be on the team right. Please Marv, please call me town? Given that the rest of your filter is almost all meaningless banter, I fail to see how anybody could get a town read from this if your normal town meta is to be constructive. So don't you "ask anybody in the thread" on me as if you are confirmed town. You're not, shape up and stop looking scummy. if you really want to figure me out go do some research and come back later. Also this day is half political campaign / scum hunting deal with it. I got some nuggets in there you just ignored them so tl dr you shape up
Nice OMGUS you got there. Can I have that with fries?
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On November 22 2012 06:11 iamperfection wrote:
just not seeing the effort acro doesn't seem like to me that you really want to figure out my alignment
Thank you for pointing out what I do and don't want to do. What I don't want to do is plough through dozens of pages of old games to figure out your town meta, when I am not feeling you're town simply based on how you're playing this game. I obviously got your meta wrong and Keirathi has updated me on it (not sure where I got the idea it was constructive... I could've sworn someone in this thread said so), but I still fail to see how your playstyle is contributing to a townie atmosphere, scumhunting, or even putting forward a decent campaign for how to get a party in the minigames. That does not read like a town player to me.
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On November 22 2012 06:45 BioSC wrote:
@Clarity
I give my thoughts on what we are doing (Electing a party leader, something we need TOWN reads for), and I give my reads on whom I believe are town right now. Are they based on little info? Yes. Can they change with newer/better info? Yes, but since I agree with what they've said so far, I haven't had a reason to color them red right now.
As for the quirp about not scumhunting while scumhunting, that's not what I said. I said, while the focus is on electing a mayor, we should at least try to elect a town. As I believe winning events is crucial to winning the game (almost as much as a lynch, since it is in place of one afaik.) Electing people I believe to be town and having them bring people I also believe to be town makes for a high chance of success. What's not to get?
Let me phrase the accusation in a question: what is it that makes you lean town on Marv?
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On November 22 2012 07:13 phagga wrote:
Acrofales, if you are around, i would still like to know why you do not consider Kita a serious candidate.
I dunno. I never consider Kita serious in the first place. I liked his posts this game, but then I kinda forgot about him. If he were to make an impact on the game then I could certainly see him as a serious contender. However he is also a risky candidate, because I don't find him easy to read at all.
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As I was on the way to the supermarket, I thought of something that might be worth considering. I know this is a greymist game and aperture mafia was hardly about aperture at all, but I, at least, am not the goddamned batman or any kind of planar dragon, so from my point of view the theme is more serious this time around.
If you agree that the theme could be serious, consider that the first mission in Chrono Trigger is also in a church. The playable characters are Crono, Lucca and Frog. Of these, I feel Frog is the most important, lorewise, in this mission. I don't think an outright claim is in order, but it might be worth considering, if you're one of these chars, in particular Frog, and running for the campaign, to make a more serious go at becoming the party leader.
Frog, of all the characters, seems like he would wield the most influence in favour of town in the first mission of Chrono Trigger, assuming lore is an important aspect of this game.
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On November 22 2012 07:40 Dienosore wrote:
If I'm such an obvious towny, why haven't y'all expressed it with your votes? There's still enough time to vote me your party leader ^^
I don't think you're obvious town at all. In my first game I rolled scum (GoT mafia). The first thing Chaoser (experienced player on the scumteam) did, was coach us noobs (there were actually three of us) on what kind of things to say.
I don't find it in any way weird that this could happen in this game as well... and while I, personally, would not coach noobie scum to play the noobie card quite so openly, I could definitely imagine some players in this game advise that playstyle. It is rather easy to pull off and has everybody fooled off the bat.
+ Show Spoiler +
Sidetrack: in GoT mafia, Chaoser's coaching/plan backfired horribly and it was a miracle that we managed to talk our way out of the trainwreck that was the first few hours.
Your recent posts have been better, but I don't have you labeled green yet, let alone obviously green.
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On November 22 2012 07:54 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:45 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:39 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:38 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:37 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
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Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Easy target != wrong Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better. obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on. Easy target as in he's new and fluffy. Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum. The new and fluffy will have to die as well. We don't need complications in the end game. Excellent, more wanting to kill people for reasons that aren't that they are scum. New and fluffy != scum (to use your construction) and we want to kill scum, dear. Anything else? No point killing scum if you can't kill Lavos What's that got to do with being new and fluffy? New and fluffy are harder to read and likely to make mistakes. If they prove themselves to be town and competent somehow: Wonderful. However if they fail to do that they need to go down before the end game. So far I don't ever see the dinosaur changing and so he's on my needs to die list. Before you call me an easy target again I am including myself in the needs to die before end game list since I'm smurfing. fuck i was really happy that i was gonna get to play a themed game without drazerk in it but no
Great minds think alike?
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On November 22 2012 07:54 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote:
As I was on the way to the supermarket, I thought of something that might be worth considering. I know this is a greymist game and aperture mafia was hardly about aperture at all, but I, at least, am not the goddamned batman or any kind of planar dragon, so from my point of view the theme is more serious this time around.
If you agree that the theme could be serious, consider that the first mission in Chrono Trigger is also in a church. The playable characters are Crono, Lucca and Frog. Of these, I feel Frog is the most important, lorewise, in this mission. I don't think an outright claim is in order, but it might be worth considering, if you're one of these chars, in particular Frog, and running for the campaign, to make a more serious go at becoming the party leader.
Frog, of all the characters, seems like he would wield the most influence in favour of town in the first mission of Chrono Trigger, assuming lore is an important aspect of this game. I swear to god if this gains traction I'm going to be pissed.
Why?
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On November 22 2012 08:02 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 07:59 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 07:54 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote:
As I was on the way to the supermarket, I thought of something that might be worth considering. I know this is a greymist game and aperture mafia was hardly about aperture at all, but I, at least, am not the goddamned batman or any kind of planar dragon, so from my point of view the theme is more serious this time around.
If you agree that the theme could be serious, consider that the first mission in Chrono Trigger is also in a church. The playable characters are Crono, Lucca and Frog. Of these, I feel Frog is the most important, lorewise, in this mission. I don't think an outright claim is in order, but it might be worth considering, if you're one of these chars, in particular Frog, and running for the campaign, to make a more serious go at becoming the party leader.
Frog, of all the characters, seems like he would wield the most influence in favour of town in the first mission of Chrono Trigger, assuming lore is an important aspect of this game. I swear to god if this gains traction I'm going to be pissed. Why? Because my head got bitten off for trying to speculate on setup.
Ah, I remember now. Fairly certain I wasn't one of the ones doing the biting, but I have to say that at the time I didn't understand the idea. It just clicked after playing some chrono trigger myself.
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On November 22 2012 08:25 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 08:19 strongandbig wrote:
Hokay so
I just finished reading this massive thread
I also have yet to vote.
I am thus a swing voter and demand pandering.
As far as I can tell, there are three "real" campaigns (real meaning the candidate actually intends to get elected) - Sandroba, Syllogism, and Toad.
All three campaigns are based around the fundamental premise "i'm a vet, i'm town, i have good reads, and i'm self confident enough to take responsibility for my actions."
Unless I've missed something, that's pretty much 100% of syllogism's campaign.
Sandroba has his "get some noobs semi confirmed" thing
Toad says he'll talk a lot
Out of those, I gotta say Sandroba's got the lead on talking points, so I have questions for the other two:
Syllogism, it's been a pretty long time since you started your campaign. You said you weren't going to lock yourself in to your party or whatever early, but do you have anything more for us by now? Or is it 100% that you're running because you know you're town and you're still not sure of Sandroba?
Toad, why do you need to be the party leader to do that stuff you were saying you would do about getting people to talk about reads, and putting yourself under scrutiny so we get a better read on you? Shouldn't you be doing all that anyway, and why is it a campaign point? Mine name is Glenn...Cyrus' hopes and dreams...and now the Masamune, forthwith I shall slay Magus and restore honor! There is yet time to aid me on my quest. Elect me your party leader!
Ok. This roleclaim was stupid. Which part of "don't roleclaim" did you not get when I said that.
I don't believe scum would claim Frog... and I find this play far too ballsy for a noob 3rd party, making this guy an actual town Frog.
Sandro, Syllo, Toad: would you take this guy along on a quest?
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On November 22 2012 11:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Hapa
And where does kei allude that he has any idea what his value is?
I really don't follow acro's logic, but I'll wait for him to respond then.
I was on my way to bed. But I can help you with this one. It's this thing called logic.
Keirathi's explanation for CJ being townie based on his first post was that CJ had a low influence value. This implies that CJ would know his influence value. I definitely have no clue about my own influence value (other than what might be given by role). The OP states they are hidden. So Keirathi was, insofar as I knew, making a rather dubious claim. My bullshit detector went off and I made a post calling his post bullshit.
Is my post intrinsically townie? Hell no. But I don't believe in letting bullshit bad logic stand. Keirathi explained himself adequately, implying that he had some more information than I do about his influence value.
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On November 22 2012 11:27 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Kita
Strongly disagree with your analysis on iamperfection. His town meta involves plenty of those spammy one-liners. He's someone I'd strongly consider as a D1 option since his scum/town meta is pretty distinguishable. His play is leaning towards his townie side for sure right now.
I do agree with your assessment on kush, but for different reasons though. He's said that he doesn't care about who gets voted in for leader, which is pretty questionable. He also posted early that he was lost, confused, and had no reads. Then recently, he seems pretty adamant about lynching nl_Clarity.
Mind explaining this a bit better? I am 100% in agreement with Kita about iamperfection.
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On November 22 2012 13:51 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:02 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:00 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:56 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:53 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:49 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:47 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote:
CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal. Revealing my identity would be so destructive that I may as well have been a scum member. Its not happening. I'll explain the reasoning next cycle. Right. In any case you have effectively made yourself completely useless and non-functional until you do so. You know better than to ignore people as well. Colour me disappointed. You are playing absolutely without a town agenda. In addition there is some promise for future explanation for your play. The current, likely explanation is that you're scum playing with a scum agenda. Until you start playing with the goal of killing scum and/or explain yourself, then yes you are effectively useless. I play to win. You cannot win without an end game plan. I gave no promise of explanations for my play (Nor will I ever) but an explanation to my role. Perhaps you should read the conversation before you speak. Honestly you're moving up on the kill list rather quickly... you're awfully patronising for someone who is clearly a weak player. ^this made me lol. I feel really sick. Like really sick, My symptoms include sore throat, constant shivers, and a fever. What I most regret is I made this really sick breadcrumb saying I was Cyrus and now I won't get to use it. ##Nirvana Strike: Marvellosity
Kush, why would you do this? Do you think Marv is scum?
Also, if you are feeling terrible, you could probably ask to be replaced out and make VE a very happy guy, rather than ninja striking someone randomly in the middle of D1. You're not Drazerk.
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