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On December 13 2012 10:31 gonzaw wrote:lol Risen was scum? I thought after his Acro check he was legit lol. Got lucky there  Also iamp was alive the whole game and Hope had 1 HP for like 10000000 cycles and was still alive wtf scum?
we knew he was on 1 HP. Cycle 1 was retarded with Z-Boson's "lolol, let's splitt up damage in 20HP clusters to confuse the shit out of town" plan. And ever after that everything went south due to protection. You can believe me, we tried to kill people off but it was incredibly hard.
Syllo was alive till the end without taking a serious amount of damage although he probably ate half our factional damage in total. Dieno survived for ages as well.
We just weren't able to kill people at all, which is fine for a resistance style game but for that kind of a game you need many active mafia players. Sandro was decent (until he got busted, which we should have seen comming earlier... Sandro is known to have troubles playing mafia due to his amazing town), Risen was good, especially thanks to the bus but other than that most people on team mafia played with the mindset of not getting lynched imo. Noone besides Risen in our team looked townish AT ALL and you just can't win a resistance game like that. We needed to get in the events but then again with this game dragging out so long getting into an event basicly means insta confirmed mafia.
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Like I said in obs, I swear I had the strongest ability in the game, infinite heal equal to the damage someone took. I can't believe marv died so early LOL
gg town!
edit: Syllo took all the credit for sand lynch though I swear I did more to try and make it happen. Why was I so unconvincing?
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Gah, gg all.
Didn't go enough to try and take control of anything when I joined, had no clue what was going on and what everyone had claimed/done/taken in terms of damage. Still don't have much of a clue, lol.
I still can't believe you lynched a bunch of innocent old men, but I do appreciate the phagga lynch. I didn't think I'd be able to get out of things, even though I didn't think the lynch on me was particularly strong.
BIG thanks to Grey and mementoss for hosting this. Ended up being quite a bit of fun.
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On December 13 2012 11:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like I said in obs, I swear I had the strongest ability in the game, infinite heal equal to the damage someone took. I can't believe marv died so early LOL
gg town!
edit: Syllo took all the credit for sand lynch though I swear I did more to try and make it happen. Why was I so unconvincing?
People generally credit a lynch to the vet that was on it and near the front. Not taking anything away from syllo, he was very right about sandroba, but I acknowledge you being on it and was part of the reason I made you as town so early on.
I posted my thoughts on sandroba, which went almost entirely ignored, save for i think Hapa commenting on and agreeing with it.
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On December 13 2012 11:29 austinmcc wrote:
Gah, gg all.
Didn't go enough to try and take control of anything when I joined, had no clue what was going on and what everyone had claimed/done/taken in terms of damage. Still don't have much of a clue, lol.
I still can't believe you lynched a bunch of innocent old men, but I do appreciate the phagga lynch. I didn't think I'd be able to get out of things, even though I didn't think the lynch on me was particularly strong.
BIG thanks to Grey and mementoss for hosting this. Ended up being quite a bit of fun.
I really started to question whether or not you were scum somewhere a day or two after you joined. Then I went back and reread Zbosons filter and just convinced myself all over again. It really sucked for both of us, since you couldn't defend his actions and apparently no one wanted to hear about the person that used to occupy your role.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
I was afraid to use Slurp Slash because I didn't want to accidently push a heal or a shield on a scum target. I think I used it one time on thechronicler or something. Never reported it though
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Austinmcc fought like a hero as he was going down. props
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On December 13 2012 11:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Austinmcc fought like a hero as he was going down. props
Absolutely this. Trying to lynch acro was a good move.
And Acro as third party was the biggest help to town after cycle 3 and onward or some such.
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Done with my hosting duties, back to endgame analysis.
Now that the plan to bus Toad is detailed, it was actually a really good idea. But the scumteam at least got TC pretty much confirmed town between the two checks. It never occurred to me that this was a scum taking a completely mad gamble at a 2 for 1 trade, which converted him into confirmed town when he hit a 3P, lol.
However, Risen, in general, played a rather excellent game. I, and some others, attacked him pretty heavily in D2 over his completely inconsistent play in D1 and rather than trying to talk it right he just made the scenario ever crazier until I gave up in disgust and wrote him off for figuring out at a later date. While Kita said that the check could have been used to lynch a townie, then Toad, Toad was looking absolutely terrible by the end of D2 and imho even an H1 vs. Toad case (H1 was also looking bad around D3) would probably have ended up in a straight-up Toad lynch. Oh, and my rolecheck would have swung it, but that could not have been known at the time. Also, near the endgame when TC started crazy speculation about my wincon and I called him a complete idiot, I'm glad to hear he was actually playing towards his wincon and helping his scumbuddy survive, rather than being an actual idiot.
The rest of the scumteam seemed pretty lost. I think SnB sums it up quite well in the QT:
we should've killed syllo though
we really had no idea what we were doing this game
greymist i'm sorry i solemnly swear that next time i play in a game of yours i will truly give it my all
Toad respawning at the end really pissed me off. I thought I had played rather well and was going to see it all screwed up by having a bajillion townies alive doing damage to Lavos way faster than I could kill Toad. Him being at 500 HP made that doable. Also, I was totally OP at the end, lol. 200 damage per night and additionally a choice out of a 100 damage + roleblock, a 500 heal or 75 damage to 3 targets.
Anyway, my plan was to play my normal town self, but it got screwed up slightly when people wanted me in a party and completely utterly bumfucked when Chronicler claimed the DT check. Took a bit of thinking what I was going to claim. I was thinking of claiming Masa & Mune the third party role that had to kill Magus, but was unsure I could keep that up til endgame, so I just claimed my alignment to save my ass. Damned lucky I did so before getting randomed onto a party. That would have been my death if I hadn't claimed, lol.
The rest of the game I was pretty much forced into overdrive activity, because most townies could get semi-confirmed with their roles or being on a party, while I would always be a possible lynch unless there was someone who most of town was convinced was scum. Scum can gain some town credit by pushing a 3P lynch, while uncertain townies can lynch a 3P when uncertain about who is scum, so I had to be extra active and scumhunt like crazy to save my ass from townies who might want to lynch me. I'm glad to hear that almost all of the people who brought it up were scum.
Thanks again to Greymist and Mementoss for this game 
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On December 13 2012 11:34 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 11:29 austinmcc wrote:
Gah, gg all.
Didn't go enough to try and take control of anything when I joined, had no clue what was going on and what everyone had claimed/done/taken in terms of damage. Still don't have much of a clue, lol.
I still can't believe you lynched a bunch of innocent old men, but I do appreciate the phagga lynch. I didn't think I'd be able to get out of things, even though I didn't think the lynch on me was particularly strong.
BIG thanks to Grey and mementoss for hosting this. Ended up being quite a bit of fun. I really started to question whether or not you were scum somewhere a day or two after you joined. Then I went back and reread Zbosons filter and just convinced myself all over again. It really sucked for both of us, since you couldn't defend his actions and apparently no one wanted to hear about the person that used to occupy your role.
Yeah, nothing I can do about Z-bosons actions or posts. For reference, he actually DID take no action on Cycle 3, and then again Cycles 5 and 6. Grey asked me to replace during 5 but I wanted to try and catch up on the thread, which I failed at, so I came in 6 still behind. Oh well.
I was hoping to get a little cred from not shooting you later on, but just didn't do enough with it and I think maybe chose a bad target with my faked action claims. Not sure if the outcome would have been different had I given better targets though.
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On December 13 2012 11:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like I said in obs, I swear I had the strongest ability in the game, infinite heal equal to the damage someone took. I can't believe marv died so early LOL
gg town!
edit: Syllo took all the credit for sand lynch though I swear I did more to try and make it happen. Why was I so unconvincing?
Well, I wasn't ON the sandro lynch to start with, but your case really didn't matter much. Sandroba was scum because Syllo said he was. Everything else is pretty circumstantial when compared to two players who know each other so well. It was a tough break for Sandro to be scum with Syllo on town. The reverse would also have been true, as Syllo is also much better as town than as scum and Sandro would see through it in a similar manner. I'll go back and read your case, but at the time I thought it was bringing up things that weren't indicative of scum and dismissed it, although I did give you a tick for townie for pushing so hard.
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On December 13 2012 11:44 Acrofales wrote:The rest of the game I was pretty much forced into overdrive activity, because most townies could get semi-confirmed with their roles or being on a party, while I would always be a possible lynch unless there was someone who most of town was convinced was scum. Scum can gain some town credit by pushing a 3P lynch, while uncertain townies can lynch a 3P when uncertain about who is scum, so I had to be extra active and scumhunt like crazy to save my ass from townies who might want to lynch me. I'm glad to hear that almost all of the people who brought it up were scum. Thanks again to Greymist and Mementoss for this game As someone trying his ass off to get you lynched, it was quite annoying.
Even knowing you were 3P, town should have been almost CERTAIN that you were lying about something, be it role or wincon (or at least townaustin would have been). And yet there was almost no desire to lynch you even though this wasn't a normal game, but a game that ended in an event that already carried a lot of uncertainty.
It's a credit to how useful you were and well you played that friggin' town wouldn't lynch you just to make sure you didn't screw things up for them during Lavos.
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I didn't know we even targeted you at all lol
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Ermm that was at die lol
God this game was frustrating >.<
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On December 13 2012 11:45 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 11:34 Adam4167 wrote:On December 13 2012 11:29 austinmcc wrote:
Gah, gg all.
Didn't go enough to try and take control of anything when I joined, had no clue what was going on and what everyone had claimed/done/taken in terms of damage. Still don't have much of a clue, lol.
I still can't believe you lynched a bunch of innocent old men, but I do appreciate the phagga lynch. I didn't think I'd be able to get out of things, even though I didn't think the lynch on me was particularly strong.
BIG thanks to Grey and mementoss for hosting this. Ended up being quite a bit of fun. I really started to question whether or not you were scum somewhere a day or two after you joined. Then I went back and reread Zbosons filter and just convinced myself all over again. It really sucked for both of us, since you couldn't defend his actions and apparently no one wanted to hear about the person that used to occupy your role. Yeah, nothing I can do about Z-bosons actions or posts. For reference, he actually DID take no action on Cycle 3, and then again Cycles 5 and 6. Grey asked me to replace during 5 but I wanted to try and catch up on the thread, which I failed at, so I came in 6 still behind. Oh well. I was hoping to get a little cred from not shooting you later on, but just didn't do enough with it and I think maybe chose a bad target with my faked action claims. Not sure if the outcome would have been different had I given better targets though.
Would probably have been better to claim a heal on someone who had claimed no damage up to that point. The shield stuck around and it was therefore weird when damage didn't add up. A heal at full HP would go unnoticed. However, substituting in, I don't blame you for missing that little bit when people kicked up a shitstorm about Hapa not claiming healed.
Other than that, I was actually quite scared you'd actually convince town to switch onto me. I was pretty sure you were scum, but I was 3P so my case might not have been trusted and you somehow managed to convince town off yourself and onto phagga the day before when I was away at the beach.
I gave Risen credit for his scumplay, but you deserve a hand as well. You went down fighting tooth and nail and that ##self-destruct had me pretty scared for the hour before the resolution.
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On December 13 2012 11:21 Toadesstern wrote:
ycle 1 was retarded with Z-Boson's "lolol, let's splitt up damage in 20HP clusters to confuse the shit out of town" plan. And ever after that everything went south due to protection. You can believe me, we tried to kill people off but it was incredibly hard.
Syllo was alive till the end without taking a serious amount of damage although he probably ate half our factional damage in total. Dieno survived for ages as well.
We just weren't able to kill people at all, which is fine for a resistance style game but for that kind of a game you need many active mafia players. Sandro was decent (until he got busted, which we should have seen comming earlier... Sandro is known to have troubles playing mafia due to his amazing town), Risen was good, especially thanks to the bus but other than that most people on team mafia played with the mindset of not getting lynched imo. Noone besides Risen in our team looked townish AT ALL and you just can't win a resistance game like that. We needed to get in the events but then again with this game dragging out so long getting into an event basicly means insta confirmed mafia. I think that if there are two things that could have balanced the game out slightly (besides us playing better early), it was (1) scum KP usage and (2) events.
It WAS difficult to kill people, given that we didn't know HPs, there were so many healers, and some of our KP was heavily conditional (I had to get shot, risen had a chance to do good damage, risk needed to mason someone, snb needed claims). If the stars aligned, we could have maybe dropped 1-2 people a night, but it felt very difficult. I think that had we realized that, we could have used KP to bus. There were so many people in the endgame that were just barely, barely townie, and only because scum had no very townie players apart from Risen. If, instead of using the first 2 cycles of KP spread on a bunch of targets, we'd blown the crap out of a scum player or two, we may well have been able to carry them to the endgame. If we couldn't use the KP to kill, we should have been bussing JUST enough to make people disregard 1-2 scum members.
I know I missed most of the events, but the events to lynches ratio also felt off to me. Even though we couldn't be guaranteed kills every night we wanted them, if the cycle was an event then we at least didn't run a chance of getting lynched. I suppose better play = less lynches on scum, but towards the end of the game I was just praying for an event and we didn't get one through like 4 cycles. I was so happy to get a mislynch on phagga, hoping the last day would be an event and I could make it lategame, but then it was just another lynch. Something about the lack of events late meant that town could go snb --> risk (and VE) --> me pretty quickly, without time for anyone to turn their play around naturally, without the pressure of a lynch.
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Not sure what role to nominate for best role award. I really liked Dalton's countdown. Had me really twisted up trying to figure out what the hell it did. Norstein Bekker was also good.
Master of Kitchens on the townside maybe, but I am not sure what his stuff actually did or how it worked at all, because Drazerk, as always lied his ass off about all of it.
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On December 13 2012 11:58 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 11:45 austinmcc wrote:On December 13 2012 11:34 Adam4167 wrote:On December 13 2012 11:29 austinmcc wrote:
Gah, gg all.
Didn't go enough to try and take control of anything when I joined, had no clue what was going on and what everyone had claimed/done/taken in terms of damage. Still don't have much of a clue, lol.
I still can't believe you lynched a bunch of innocent old men, but I do appreciate the phagga lynch. I didn't think I'd be able to get out of things, even though I didn't think the lynch on me was particularly strong.
BIG thanks to Grey and mementoss for hosting this. Ended up being quite a bit of fun. I really started to question whether or not you were scum somewhere a day or two after you joined. Then I went back and reread Zbosons filter and just convinced myself all over again. It really sucked for both of us, since you couldn't defend his actions and apparently no one wanted to hear about the person that used to occupy your role. Yeah, nothing I can do about Z-bosons actions or posts. For reference, he actually DID take no action on Cycle 3, and then again Cycles 5 and 6. Grey asked me to replace during 5 but I wanted to try and catch up on the thread, which I failed at, so I came in 6 still behind. Oh well. I was hoping to get a little cred from not shooting you later on, but just didn't do enough with it and I think maybe chose a bad target with my faked action claims. Not sure if the outcome would have been different had I given better targets though. Would probably have been better to claim a heal on someone who had claimed no damage up to that point. The shield stuck around and it was therefore weird when damage didn't add up. A heal at full HP would go unnoticed. However, substituting in, I don't blame you for missing that little bit when people kicked up a shitstorm about Hapa not claiming healed. Other than that, I was actually quite scared you'd actually convince town to switch onto me. I was pretty sure you were scum, but I was 3P so my case might not have been trusted and you somehow managed to convince town off yourself and onto phagga the day before when I was away at the beach. I gave Risen credit for his scumplay, but you deserve a hand as well. You went down fighting tooth and nail and that ##self-destruct had me pretty scared for the hour before the resolution.
I made the mistake of not planning out fake actions before I claimed my abilities. Once I claimed abilities and was in thread, felt that I had to answer very quickly as to who Z-BosoN had taken actions on. Probably panicked more than I should have, and could have pretended to wait on the answer.
iirc, I chose targets that Z-BosoN was townie on for the shields. I thought people got notified of heals, so I didn't want to claim heals that wouldn't have had notifications. But I didn't fully vet my targets with what actions they'd claimed had occurred, I never collected all that information myself and it screwed me over there.
Haha, I was hoping that self-destruct would make you squirm for an hour. I actually really wanted to claim that scum had a variable KP system. We had x KP every night, and could exchange some KP for factional abilities like roleblocks/frames/etc. I just loved the idea of trying to convince town that there were few factional kills because we'd been trading our KP for death miller flips, and that some of the "easy" lynches that went through were actually on townies we'd turned into death millers.
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On December 13 2012 12:04 Acrofales wrote:
Not sure what role to nominate for best role award. I really liked Dalton's countdown. Had me really twisted up trying to figure out what the hell it did. Norstein Bekker was also good.
Master of Kitchens on the townside maybe, but I am not sure what his stuff actually did or how it worked at all, because Drazerk, as always lied his ass off about all of it.
When Drazerk claimed to have "Meat Essence" I automatically assumed he was lying.
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Oh, psssts
+ Show Spoiler +VE has no competition for best 3P player in the 2012 mafia awards, do something about it!
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