EPTOn November 23 2012 06:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
Zbo, why the silent vote on Sand?
Zbo, why the silent vote on Sand?
I was wondering about that too.
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Kita, are you still running with the same team? Or is it possible you'll switch someone out? Now, I finally need to drive home, it's almost 11pm and I'm still at work. I ought to be home in about 30 minutes, will therefore be online again before deadline if nothing crazy happens. | ||
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On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der Things and such. What do you hope to achieve? What is your reasoning for this? | ||
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Alas, I am leaning slightly town on Kita, but feel better with Syllo. I have a stronger townread on him. I trust him to make good townreads for picking people. Therefore, my vote goes to Syllo. ##Unvote ##Vote Syllogism | ||
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On November 23 2012 07:56 Hopeless1der wrote: I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result Does your vote have an influence on your role? | ||
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On November 23 2012 11:10 Dienosore wrote: First of all, I'd like to congratulate the town for passing our first event! I believe my presence weighted heavily on our success rate, seeing as this was my era, so hats off to Syllo for having enough wisdom to bring me along. I believe I have been marked for death by the scumlords (I took 445 dmg during the night). I'm not dead yet, but I'm trapped in a corner and my back is against the wall. I feel my only option now is to come completely clean, tell my story, and hopefully set up the groundworks for a towny victory: As soon as I got my PM saying I was Frog, I realized I would be in an early position of influence. Originally I wanted to be leader, since I thought it might give our group some sort of extra powers. This was the reason I was very forward and pushy about getting leadership. I was completely ignored (and rightfully so, now that I look back at it). So, I started playing for the second best thing: a spot in the group. In order to do this, I decided to roleclaim. I believe this was the only sure-fire way I could get into the group, so I went ahead and took the chance. I knew the target I painted on myself was huge, but I felt as if I had enough HP to at least survive the night. (I loled quietly to myself when someone said Lagos had 999 hp) I also wanted to draw the fire away from helpless townys who I believed might only have 50 hp. Also, since I knew I was going to be taking a TON of heat anyway, I started making hard scumreads and openly confronting the accused. I hoped to use my very public position to hopefully shine the light on scum, where others might have been more reserved in their cases. Well, I must have rattled some cages, because I ended up taking a fuckload of dmg. I do not want to give out my max HP, but lets just say another hit like that would cripple me. If you have any protection or healing powers, please help out your friendly town frog! <3 Additionally, I want to use this opportunity to provide myself as a safe contact. If you want to organize some sort of town circle, please get in touch with me somehow. I know PM's aren't allowed in this game, so we will have to figure out some other way to communicate outside of the thread. I know there is always the chance of a Mafia infiltration, so I will be EXTRAORDINARILY critical of anyone who expresses interest in grouping up. The Mafia has already organized, and has probably been following a plan for a full cycle now. We cannot wait any longer. Thanks~ regarding the bolded, it might very well be that you were just hit with a shitton of damage because you claimed a potentially very powerfull role. just saying. Also, you are really cute. It's refreshing to read your posts, although I don't always agree with everything in it. | ||
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However, my list is not up to date. I will try to go through several filters and update it, so I might make a more definite vote before Kita has to make his prediction. People who are also red in my list: - Goodkarma, although I REALLY have to go through his filter now. Have not done that yet. - BioSC, lurking hardcore although he was very excited pregame, as someone mentioned Other people I want to look into/know more about: - Sandroba, I read his filter yesterday. I want to hear more from him and what he says about the current accusations - Hopeless1der, I have "looks shady, check filter" note on him, but I don't know why anymore. Will clear this up. ##Vote CaveJohnson | ||
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On November 23 2012 18:14 CaveJohnson wrote: People who vote for me don't want to vote for scum - It happens every game just see what you can get from the lynch information afterwards - I'm out for a few hours toodaloo. Show me that you're town. Hunt some scum. I'll gladly take my vote of you when I see that you are actually trying to help town. | ||
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When you look through his filter, literally the first half of it he almost only talks about what town should do, what people should do (with the one exception of his very first ingame post). There is a ton of stuff that just does not bring town anywhere. He looks like he is contributing, but nothing is really helping town. Also, the tone of his posts seems so neutral, as if he was emotionally completely detached. This is probably what others described as "constructed", for me it is just strange because it seems he does not care at all. The best example for this is this post: On November 22 2012 00:01 goodkarma wrote: I found this particular quote to be upsetting. I understand, on the one hand, if you have a town read on syllo. But I don't understand why you would be willing to go so far as to allow him to veto your picks. If you're not that confident in your choices, you should as well just have him pick for you... Or better yet, let him be party leader. As current "frontrunner" I would like a response from you on this scandal. Are you looking to concede and have syllo run in your stead, or was this merely an assertion that you are super-confident syllo is town? He says he is upset, and calls it a scandal, which means it must have pissed him off. Bbut the tone of the post does not feel this way, it rather sounds as if he actually does not care. Then, this post is an improvement. I actually liked that post from him, even if it was a bit long and overexplaining. But then he posted that he would have Sandroba on his team, and I was really confused by that. Afterwards, it seems back to the old ways for him. When I look at his posts from today, it is mostly defending himself, a vote and post to sandroba, that's it. Tl;dr: Too much fluff, a single scum read on the Bus of the day, looks emotionally detached. Now, it is possible that this is his normal way of playing/writing, I am not familiar with his meta. However, for the above reasons, Goodkarma stands on the scummy side for me. Goodkarma: I see you have voted Sandroba. Can you name me up to three other people you also find suspicious, and why? I don't need a whole case, a short explanation what you think is scum motivated in their play would suffice. | ||
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On November 24 2012 03:05 Z-BosoN wrote: Wtf... I had you marked as townie, but this post right here just killed that. So just like that you agreed your post was stupid? Did you put any amount of thought into your plan, to be so easily convinced? Also, from a townie perspective, you'd want to choose a plan that was most similar to yours, no? And really, just look at point number 1). IN NO WAY is that the complete opposite of what syllo suggested: It's clear that he is also not revealing his town reads. You now say you play for nearly a year, which makes your plan even more wtf. One year is nowhere close to being a newbie, which was why I had you as town. You have some real explaining to do, this post here stinks. I am completely confused by the bolded part. Number 1.) talks about him not givin townreads in general, which has nothing to do with his plan or syllo. His plan was to chose 3 people who would then chose the 3 people for the party. The 3 people he choses may very well be town, as he indicates for example here, and since he has to publicly call them out for them to make their picks, that would be him revealing his town reads. | ||
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On November 24 2012 03:52 Z-BosoN wrote: Phagga, I think you are missing the post he's responding to: + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2012 02:45 Acrofales wrote: Yes... and my million dollar question is how someone who is apparently fairly experienced in mafia could not see that this plan was bad. The main problem is that the rest of your play has been fairly standard. You're not ranting like a maniac, like Risen or Bluelightz, and you're not derping it up with crazy logic like BM. Which means you *should* have been able to see how bad that plan was. And that is what's bugging me. Because if you knew how bad the plan was, then there is no town motivation for posting it. And that's why I want to know your identity. If you are prone to derps like thinking that that plan was good, then you might be town, but otherwise I can only see scum motivations for posting that. Now, lets move on to the other stuff Djodref pointed out: explain your vote for Syllo. Acrofales asked him to explain his vote on syllo. So I come reading his post expecting an answer to that. And the FIRST think he said is he doesn't believe in giving out town reads. To me that's a straight reference to supporting syllo, because syllo was also against giving out the town members he was gonna choose. I don't think he's referring to "town reads in general", because that makes no fucking sense to what acrofales had just asked him. On November 24 2012 03:21 phagga wrote: I am completely confused by the bolded part. Number 1.) talks about him not givin townreads in general, which has nothing to do with his plan or syllo. His plan was to chose 3 people who would then chose the 3 people for the party. The 3 people he choses may very well be town, as he indicates for example here, and since he has to publicly call them out for them to make their picks, that would be him revealing his town reads. Are you buying this then? Oh well, my read was wrong, ergo I'm gonna go the complete opposite. I mean just look at these posts: On November 21 2012 12:47 TheChronicler wrote: Again, what if the leader is scum.... On November 21 2012 12:56 TheChronicler wrote: I figured I'd add in a system that got us as much information as possible. I never expected to be elected since I'm on a smurf, but I really wanted my idea to be used because I think there's a good enough chance we don't get a townie elected (I've lynched enough townies d1 not to be overly confident in my d1 reads) On November 21 2012 12:46 TheChronicler wrote: So... what if the leader is scum and we do it your guys' way? I even said if I'm not elected I want the person elected to use my way of doing it. I think we have better odds if we spread the party choice amongst more people than if we have it rest with a single person. Does this look like someone who thinks weakly of his idea, do you honestly think that when reading this? Does this come to you as "a vet who thinks weakly of his own plan?" Definitely no. He completely 180's on it, as if he was insecure all along, and goes ahead and votes syllo without much explanation. If he had genuinely thought that which he just said (i.e that he was gonna 180 on his thinking and vote for the complete opposite), why the hell didn't he say so when voting for syllo: On November 22 2012 03:42 TheChronicler wrote: I'm going to place my vote on syllo. Cave seems to be pushing syllo as someone who can't be elected because he's "taken himself out" when he's a very viable candidate. I'm driving to California, and won't be back in the thread for a good 12 hours. I will try to keep up with the thread on my phone, though. Just don't expect your questions to be answered until I get to my parents' place tonight. I don't know. I'd expect this from someone completely new and trying to figure shit out. He says he's played for a year and this just kills it for me. He's not making any sense and his tone when proposing his plan was definitely not that of insecurity. Until marv or syllo, who had townreads on him explain how the hell is his explanation of things "townie" at all. Newbie card cannot be used anymore and his latest explanation on syllo just stinks. ##Vote TheChronicle Ok, for me, this post: On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote: On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can. 1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people" 2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer. 3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility. 4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost? 5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip. Was an Answer to this post: On November 24 2012 02:39 Djodref wrote: Are you going to be here for a while ? I would appreciate you to address my case and answer my questions and stuff ^^ 1. I would like you to explain me why iamp should not have stated that Dieno was a town read  2. I would like you to tell me about your experience on playing mafia on forums. 3. I would really appreciate you to explain me how you could vote for syllo with his platform. 4. And I think we also have to discuss about the real goal of your plan. I also want to know what was the "information" you were talking about and how town could have used it. 5. What the fuck were the "certain reads" ? Also, he did make general statements regarding not giving out town reads like these: On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote: Is there a reason everyone feels the need to shout their town reads this game? On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote: It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go. That's why I got confused. However, seeing Acrofales post later on makes it more clear where the contradiction is: With is plan, not only would he give out town reads (which is acceptable since he has to make a party of four), but his picks will put out town reads as well, and that should be something he would want to avoid if he seems so keen on keeping the amount of townreads low. Tl;dr, I understand now. | ||
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Weekend is ahead, which means family time. My activity will be rather limited (or even more limited, when I look back at the last 12 hours), but I should be able to tune in again before the deadline. For now, I am content with my vote on CaveJohnson. | ||
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My vote is currently on CaveJohnson. | ||
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On November 25 2012 07:04 goodkarma wrote: CaveJohnson has ZERO chance of getting lynched right now... You're not doing us any favors by not weighing in on the two main candidates... If you were to choose between Toad and Sandroba, who would it be and why? Still stuck on page 114, I'd say it's Sandro, mainly because of the arguments syllo brought forth => I'd sheep syllo. I'm pretty null on toad at the moment, might change when I catch up. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Sandroba | ||
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On November 25 2012 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I had the best white meat turkey EVER. It was so fucking good :D. So full..... Also yeah, Prome sounds extremely powerful, I/E not town but that is one of the worst reasoning for lynching someone. Its like a single nail when you need the coffin I have not completely caught up yet, but wanted to comment on this. Know that you are in a Greymist game. There, town roles like Yugi Moto, Link or Kanti, Lord of the Black Flames appear. The latter one was responsible for 6 kills alone in that game. So, no, no role is too powerfull to be town in a game like this. | ||
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